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Veritas 009 - The Lost Abbey

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BA SCORE
85
very good

229 Ratings
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Ratings: 229
Reviews: 90
rAvg: 3.77
pDev: 25.46%
Wants: 165
Gots: 84 | FT: 2
Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey visit their website
California, United States

Style | ABV
American Wild Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: HopHead84 on 05-28-2011)
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Photo of nickhiller
4.83/5  rDev +28.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

A: raisiny chocolatey brown with two millimeters of light brown gradient, flat, no lace.

S: sherry, kohlua and cacao, wood (especially cedar), hemp, red pepper, basil, fennel, pasta sauce, swiss cheese, light roast (non-acrid).

T: communion wine, lots of oak, lots of roast, but really nice smaller things: pomegranate, sour cherries, nutmeg, Bazooka bubble gum.

M: low to non-existent carbonation (my favorite part of this beer) and a lighter body than I would have expected--though in a great way. It feels more like a heavy read wine than anything else.

O: one of the most interesting beers that I've ever had. The stoutish part was pleasantly subdued (especially when warmed; gets much more sour as it gets warmer). Loved the wine, I think this as close as a beer has come to a good red wine (maybe a Syrah)--at least that I've tried. Very, very interesting hybrid/mutant.

nickhiller, Sep 09, 2011
Photo of Doodler
3.93/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle # 3 of the 07,08 and 09 series at Jason’s sour tasting. Most interesting of the 3. Pours a deep dark brown with a minimal tan head that fade quickly. Notes of caramel, oak and burnt sugar. Mild, sweet flavors of cherries, with touches of bourbon, vanilla and red wine, Hints of brown sugar on the finish. Little if any carbonation, with an oily mouthfeel. Not the typical Veritas for sure. Will have to age one and try again in a year.

Doodler, Sep 07, 2011
Photo of waltonc
1.93/5  rDev -48.8%
look: 1.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

Pours brown pondwater flat. No apparent carbonation to speak of. Smell and flavor are not very notable. A mess of vinous dark fruit and barrels. Fairly sweet, slightly sour. Not very complex. Body is on the thicker side and no carbonation. Overall, this was a disappointing beer. After reading the brewery's hype, I was expecting something a little more interesting.

It's hard to understand where all those initial extremely high scores are coming from. I enjoyed Veritas 008 more than this.

waltonc, Sep 05, 2011
Photo of DenverLogan
4.43/5  rDev +17.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Dark like a porter, almost no head, aroma of bourbon barrel. Whoa mommy...mix a sour on Heaven Hill barrel and what a taste sensation. Rich fruits, plums, prunes, and lactic sour notes. Damn tasty but complex and not for the timid! Can be a touch mouth puckering but damn flavorful.

DenverLogan, Sep 05, 2011
Photo of TurdFurgison
2.8/5  rDev -25.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Huge thanks to jale for bringing this to the Jackie O's bottle release last weekend (thanks Jim!). From a quick poll of those around us it's evident that this is a polarizing beverage. Some loved it, some hated it (I'm in this camp), no one felt half ass about it though.

This poured darker than the other Veritas series that I've had, brownish and flat. The aroma is pretty involved, I guess complex, but to no good effect as far as I'm concerned. Cocoa + woodiness + cherry + a little vanilla. Only hints of acidity. Actually not appetizing, more of a mess to me, the sum being less than the addition of the components.

Not very sour tasting, I guess I was hoping for a sour masterpiece like 004 but this was not to be. Complex for sure, but in an unappreciated way. I'll give it this: It's way better than 008. But I wouldn't want to have it again.

TurdFurgison, Sep 03, 2011
Photo of ktrillionaire
4.85/5  rDev +28.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Big thanks to Grant (heyohhhh) for the generous share during a wonderfully successful mini-tasting. V009 pours a rich, deep purplish-black hue, a color not unlike that of a black cherry or an eggplant, and while the brew has visually discernible viscosity in the form of legs upon the glass, it shows absolutely no sign of liveliness or effervescence. None of that matters, because V009 is an absolutely fantastic and utterly unique beer that is done a disservice by being compared to other brews; it really is that different. There are so many things going on here, but I'll start with the feel, which is an absolutely integral component of this experience: it has the mouthfeel of a heavier wine replete with silkiness up front, juicy-acidic body, and a drying tannic finish. In this case, the flatness, or non-effervescence, serves the beer so well that I cannot imagine it with carbonation, a la Quelque Chose. It is like a beer-flavored wine, with notes ranging from a Belgian Quad-esque heavy dark fruit melange to chocolatey -bal IS notes, to oak, sherry/port and red wine impartations. Fruit notes include everything from currant, cherry, date, fig, tamarind, cranberry, and raspberry, but they come across in a very unusual fashion, pungent, perhaps as if they were macerated in sherry. The barrel and wood character is varied and complex as well, offering nuances ranging from sweetly vinous, to richly Bourbon-tinged, to dryly oaky-tannic. Lastly, there is the element of tartness to speak of: it is just about perfectly balanced with the plethora of other features; it is mildly sour-acidic, somewhat bright with light medicinal notes, and just the slightest bit overripe-fruit funky. This is a great beer, and one I look forward to trying again.

ktrillionaire, Sep 03, 2011
Photo of Soonami
3.18/5  rDev -15.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Thanks again for Ryan (ShadesofGray) for sharing his bottle of V009.

This a very wine-like beer in appearance, nose and taste. It's a very dark grape-y color with almost no carbonation. The beer smells like vanilla and oak with just a little oxidation. There is lots of vinous character in the beer, jammy blackberry and a lot of oak tannins. There is a little bit of acidity, but not much funk. A little caramel sweetness helps ground the beer, although the beer is fairly dry. Can't say I would ever try to get this again, but it was an interesting beer, that really melded the beer and wine characteristics well.

Soonami, Aug 27, 2011
Photo of BearsOnAcid
4/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Very dark purple-to-crimson pour. The color in the light was really interesting. Nearly still.

Nose was heavily vinous. Merlot soaked fudge. Not really any funk to it but I notice some acidity. I sensed a little bit of a chemical-like aroma.

Taste was very rich and decadent. The beer delved into layers of acidic dark chocolate, leather, cherries, caramelized dark fruits, and red grapes and skins. Heavy mix of hydrolyzable and condensed tannins combined with acidity from bacteria leaves this beer extremely dry and puckering. It's like chewing on grapes skins. Age would do very well for this beer. I don't believe the lack of carbonation detracts from this beer. In fact, I think it would just get in the way.

The major problem I found was that I felt something was missing from this beer. I thought it needed more sweetness or some level of heat (spicy) to cut through the drying acidity that seemed to build up as you kept drinking it. Quick thinking and a pinch of cayenne pepper set this beer off. Too bad I can't rate it with the aftermarket modifications.

BearsOnAcid, Aug 27, 2011
Photo of drabmuh
3.88/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

At the time of this review, this is the #9 top American Wild Ale on the beeradvocate best of lists. Bottle shared by Thorpe429 generously the other night, he had tried to force carb it.

Beer is dark black, really no head, low carbonation, no lacing, meh.

The aroma is an interesting mixture of an almost molasses, acetic, lactic, citric, oakiness with hints of tannic. In reality, the aroma was way sweeter than I was expecting.

Beer is interesting and I enjoyed it ultimately but it is not like the other Vertias in the series. This beer was bigger in body, sweeter on the palate and finished much much sweeter than the other sours in the "series." I should look up the blend to figure out where this toffee like sweetness is coming from. It is a good beer but overall it should be carbonated and it should be sweeter. I would hope that time would improve this beer but since it is uncarbonated right now who knows if there are any living organisms in the bottles to finish off the fermentation and provide a finished product.

drabmuh, Aug 22, 2011
Photo of yourefragile
3.63/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

750 mL bottle shared by Mike at a visit to Farmer's Cabinet Alexandria. We later experimented with force carbonating the beer, but I didn't feel like that was necessary or added anything to my (lack of) enjoyment of this.

Pours a turbid, deep reddish brown, near black. Some light tan bubbles form initially but obviously no head given the lack of carbonation. Some reddish legs coat the glass.

Aroma is an intense acidic and vinous blend of plums, grapes, chocolate, oak, red wine, bourbon and after someone rudely suggested Triple Block I began to imagine soy. While I enjoyed this blend and contrast of bold flavors in the aroma, I though the taste was a sloppy mess. Overly acidic, vinous and boozy, the sweet fruit flavors never quite integrate with blend of barrels.

Despite lack of carbonation, the body works well, with a chewy, medium thick base and a long tannic finish. I guess I'm interested in how this ages, but I wouldn't be surprised if this became really awesome or really terrible.

yourefragile, Aug 21, 2011
Photo of Thorpe429
4.6/5  rDev +22%
look: 2.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Bottle consumed as a precursor to the barrel-aged barleywine tasting at a preview of Terry's beers at the Farmers Cabinet facility in Alexandria.

Disclaimer: this beer was initially flat, and I subsequently force-carbed it to a low level. Given the interaction of things in the mouthfeel, I don't think the carbonation was really necessary or added much.

Pours a murky dark brown color with a garnet hue. No real head other than a few tan bubbles that popped up and fell almost instantaneously.

The nose starts things off right with notes of chocolate and a bit of dark malt. Atop that were strong notes of cherry, red wine, and oak. Pretty good acidity with a very mild acetic character. The flavor was intense, to say the least. Really delicious with the dark malt and fruits combining with bright cherries and brisk acidity. Red wine and oak really round things out. Some acetic character as it warms up.

Mouthfeel is really fantastic. Not something I would have imagined myself for a sour, but it worked quite well. Strong acidity with a thick, chewy base that neared stout levels. Dry and tannic. Long finish. Very low carbonation.

Incredibly complex and well made. Not sure if the low carbonation was intentional, but I think it worked quite well.

Thorpe429, Aug 21, 2011
Photo of AleWatcher
3.98/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Reviewed from notes dictated into voice notes on my iphone.
Shared by funkyaudio at a tasting-- thanks Jim!

This is really dark in color. Looks pretty black when viewed straight ahead, but reddish brown in the legs and on the edges. Looks like it has very low carbonation, but come on-- I'm sure it was intended to be that way, right? It probably drinks like a fine red wine! Actually I like lost abbey.

This actually works pretty well. Nose has sweet caramel, toffee and molasses with a little tangy quality. Very nicely soured. Respectable and delicious.

Really dry finish with notes of dehydrated plums or something? a little bitterness on the back end too. It comes off well though. It's like slightly bitter, really dry, and then very cheek-tugging sour. The low carbonation really doesn't hurt in my opinion.

AleWatcher, Aug 18, 2011
Photo of callmemickey
3.33/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Deep brown-black body. No carbonation, lack of anything resembling a head. Rather uninviting.

S: A lot is going on here in the nose, but I am not sure how successful the complexity really is. Chocolate, vanilla, subtle cherries, vinous notes and oak. Just a bit all over the place.

T: Like the nose, there is a hell of a lot here... not particularly bad, I just didn't think it was working. Not particularly sour... slight notes of oxidization-like sherry.

M: Flat. A bit oily on the palate. Weak finish. Not a particularly enjoyable overall impression.

O: Chalk me up as one of those people that just doesn't get this beer. I've enjoyed a fair number of flat lost abbey beers, but this one couldn't make up for it.

callmemickey, Aug 01, 2011
Photo of jimjim123
4.95/5  rDev +31.3%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Big dark marroon pour with a thin, slightly amber ring of lacy head. Aroma of dark chocolate, sour, sour cherries, French oak, toffee, brown sugar, very subduded roasty, spicy notes and amazing lactic notes. Flavors of pure bourbon, red wine, slight rust, dark chcocolate flavored cherries, and heavy sour plum hints. Full, silky, almost sticky and chewy mouthfeel. Starts out very soft and smooth, transitions to a sweet, Belgian dark ale, and fades out with a torrential wash of sour in the finish. This is truly a special, dark, lecherous lethal and seductive beer. If you get chance to try this beer. I highly recommend it.

jimjim123, Jul 29, 2011
Photo of trappistlover
3.95/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

(750ml bottle shared by Dak!). Pours dark brown with a slight tan head. No carbonation. Aroma has booze, fruit, wood, berries and balsamic. Taste is sweet and tart (balsamic again). Very wine-like. Medium bodied with a sticky texture. Dry finish. A unique beer that works well even without the carbonation.

trappistlover, Jul 16, 2011
Photo of KrautAficionado
5/5  rDev +32.6%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

pours a dark dark brown with minimal thin brown head and sporadic lacing if any. Aromas of brown sugar, bourbon, cheese, sour funky lactic notes, toffee, cinnamon, cherry, vanilla and syrah. Taste is sour cherries with notes of angels share grand cru including bourbon, cherry, balsemic, french red wine, teriyaki pemican, funky cheddar, brown sugar, finishes with a mollasses, and ultra mouth watering kriek funkiness even with a little roasted cocconut. This is one of the best aged sours I have had to date and just as good as 001. Absolutely Amazing beer and the best veritas batch in a long time.

KrautAficionado, Jul 16, 2011
Photo of mikey711
2.25/5  rDev -40.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 1.5

This beer was a major disappointment for me. Lookswise it was deep brown, near black and very murky. It also had no carbonation. THe nose was interesting because both the wine barrel and bourbon barrel aging could be detected. there was a ton of oak and some fruitiness as well. However, something felt off to me in the execution and all of the flavors were a bit too overwhelming when i tasted it. There was a very strong astringent and vinegar component, an overpowering level of oak and vanilla, and just a messy and confused flavor profile. This is easily one of the biggest disappointments i have had for a beer, the flavors were trying to compete with each other and in the end made this nearly undrinkable. The person I shared the bottle with agreed and we could not get through the whole bottle.

mikey711, Jul 12, 2011
Photo of Wantbeer
3.6/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Shared the bottle with beerbeer101. Pours a very thick and dark brown with next to no head and little to no carbonation. . The smell is of deep red wine, cherry, sour and Lil funk. The taste hits the spot immediately. Malt right after the first sip with loads of grape, cherry and dark fruit to follow. A very nice pucker but doesn’t make you squint with sourness. The barrel comes through but very little bourbon. Overall this is an outstanding beer and probably my favorite LA beer to date. Yes, the carbonation is light but does not detract from the overall enjoyment of the beer.

Wantbeer, Jul 06, 2011
Photo of Beerbeer101
3.65/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pours a dark brown, almost black with no head. Looks very thick.

Aroma: Blackberry, chocolate, port wine

Taste: Big wood tannins and wine notes, sour berries, chocolate, wood, alcohol, dark fruit.

Mouthfeel: Full bodied, thick as suspected, modest carbonation.

Overall: Amazing, complex, sour and decadent at the same time! extremely tasty.

Beerbeer101, Jul 06, 2011
Photo of Urbancaver
4.38/5  rDev +16.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a very dark brown. No carbonation whatsoever. A nice halo of tan around the rim. Smells phenomenal. Vanilla, oak, a tart undertone. Awesome aroma. Tastes nicely tart. There is a light fruitiness coupled with some subtle vanilla. Overall, smoothl thick, not really any carbonation which works nicely for the beer. A fantastic brew

Urbancaver, Jun 25, 2011
Photo of FosterJM
4.13/5  rDev +9.5%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

582nd Review on BA
Bottle to Angels Sinners Glass
750ML C/C

Split with GuruDel

App- Welp, I thought I would actually be the one to type it had bubbles. It didn't. It was like a darker cranberry juice. The bottle had a nice pop though when I opened it. So that was good.

Smell- On the nose it's very red wine to me. It's a bit sour and deep. Has a lot of grape, cherry, sweet, savory. Very complex aromatics.

Taste- I said it after a 3oz taster, Ill say it again. It's like Unicorn tears. I dont know what Unicorn tears taste like but I think its this. Its awkward, its balanced, its sour, its strong. Its a bit confusing to me to discribe. Its a bit Framboise, Ad-lib, older all rolled into one.

Mouth- A bit thin but medium bodied. No carbonation but leaves some nice soured fruits

Drink- Its's hard to describe this one. Big, sour, strong. I loved it on the taste but the nose and appearance bring it down for me. Ill try to have it again.

FosterJM, Jun 23, 2011
Photo of GuruDel
4.05/5  rDev +7.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Silence as the cork popped out, pour yeileded no head, flat. That seems to be the only downside to this beer. Now onto the good stuff. The nose is an amazing red wine, cherry, oak, vanilla smell. Which was really odd for an almost pitch blackish brown pour. I was confused. The taste is more inline with the nose, wonderful red wine, sour cherry and a great tartness. Mouthfeel to me was ok, i didnt miss the carbonation as much as others, but I wonder what it would have done to release more flavor if it had some bubbles.

Overall this beer is amazing, I would be happy to drink again and big thanks go out to FosterJM for splitting his bottle with me.

GuruDel, Jun 23, 2011
Photo of scottfrie
3.68/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sample poured by the generous womencantsail. Thanks Andrew!

A: Silent cork, no head, very little carbonation. Liquid is an extremely dark raisin brown.
S: Interesting notes of tart cherries, vanilla, oak, slight bourbon, plastic and an all-around tartness.
T: There is light tartness with flavors of cherry pits and skins, musty wood, slight plastic, and bourbon. Finish is vinous, a bit salty, with a touch of vinegar.
M: Body is on the lighter side of medium and extremely dry. There are a few bubbles, but the carbonation is very disappointing (although not surprising).
O: Definitley wouldn’t want to drink a lot of this in one sitting, but the flavors were interesting and worth a try. Thanks again for sharing, Andrew.

scottfrie, Jun 23, 2011
Photo of womencantsail
3.93/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 2 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Thanks to Bobby for helping me out since I couldn't go to the release. Shared at the BA BA tasting.

A: Not a sound as the cork comes out. Pours pitch black and completely flat. This gets a 2.0 because it's a pretty big fuck you to not carbonate a $35 bottle.

S: Smells pretty decent, though. Rich bourbon and vanilla aromas with plenty of oak. Lots of cherries to and a bit of red wine. There is a slight metallic note on the back end.

T: Really an intense cherry and bourbon flavor to this. Nice vanilla and chocolate notes along with the oak and barrel. A surprising amount of red wine and fruits, just a little bit of roast.

M: Medium in body, but completely flat. Bah.

O: This was pretty solid, but very unfortunate that it was totally flat.

womencantsail, Jun 21, 2011
Photo of ottovon
4.3/5  rDev +14.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4.5

shared by phelps at a tasting.

A: a dark opaque brown, ruby on the edges. almost no head, or carb that i can see.

S: a nice aroma. bourbon, cherries. i get some chocolate and a little oak. there is a bit of acidic tartness and strawberries.

T: a nice acid and tartness. some chocolate and a bit of bourbon. i get a nice red wine flavor and some cherry. a bit of roasted malt and some bread. there is some oak and vanilla and a bit of char.

M: a medium body with no carb.

O: a great offering. the only thing missing in this beer is carbonation. i would have rated the mouthfeel and overall higher had it had carbonation.

ottovon, Jun 21, 2011
Veritas 009 from The Lost Abbey
85 out of 100 based on 229 ratings.