Veritas 009 - The Lost Abbey
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2.17/5 rDev -42.4%
Thanks to shadesofgray for sharing this highly touted rarity! Poured into a tasting glass...
Completely flat. Granted, the color is nice, coming in at a deeply opaque brown, bordering on black. There are some lighter brown notes around the edges. A swirl kicks up some oily looking liquid onto the sides of the glass, but not much lacing to show for it, nor does it elicit any foam to come forth from the beer.
The aroma is complex, with toffee, chocolate, some oaky vanilla, brandied cherries, and some sweet sherry notes. The funk is subdued, and a sourness is present, but I find it significantly less lactic and more pedio-based. There is a touch of buttery aroma in there, too, leading me to believe that there is a touch of diacetyl. The flavor is similar, with the diacetyl a bit more evident. Luckily, the complexity of the flavors takes some of the focus off the flaw. The toffee, chocolate, and brandied cherries come through again, here, and they are complemented by raisins and dates in a deep dark fruity medley. Red vinous notes reminiscent of Cabernet grapes also come through. Again, there seems to be very little lactic character to the sourness, as the pedio again is the main contributor. All of the flavors kind of muddle together. Unimpressed...just too many flaws here.
Despite the uninspiring carbonation in the appearance, there is a slight tingle. Looking at it now that I have tasted it, the thicker texture and sweeter notes of this beer really do lend themselves to a lower carbonation level. Overall, I don't think this is very good at all. The flavors really don't blend very nicely. While the sherry and red wine notes work well with the bourbon barrels, a barrel-aged turd is still a turd.
06-19-2011 03:53:39 | More by NittanyBeerFan
1.73/5 rDev -54.1%
Opened on June 10th, 2011, the eve of an important day. Thanks to a local for this trade.
Pours between wine (the color) and garnet – a dark, almost grayed brown with hints of dark red about the edges – with no carbonation whatsoever. I know there’s a thin line between low carbonation and being flat, but this is flat.
The aroma is massive and almost disorderly, though appetizing. Lots of dark cherry, tobacco, a vinous tartness, and light bourbon. The one flaw for me is an almost rotten fruit smell that comes through as it approaches room temperature.
Vinous oak, sour cherries, a wonderful mess of sweet barrel notes (e.g., caramel, vanilla) and chocolate, (tart) blackberries, light bourbon, butter, and a good bit - in fact, likely too much - of vinegar. It’s a bit of a hot mess, but age has [assumedly] mellowed this one nicely and the flavors really do complement one another. Just a huge, rich old ale/sour hybrid.
Unfortunately, this could use just a touch of carbonation. The flatness actually works okay given the enormity of the flavor profile, but a touch of bubbles (which others have noted, so maybe I’ll get lucky with another bottle) would work wonders here. Tart, oily, tannic, and appropriately dry on the finish.
This is an interesting beer, unlike any I’ve had, though it has a few flaws to my palate (rotten fruit on the nose, a decent bit of vinegar, and lack of carbonation). I anticipate trying this again in the future. With a little carbonation, this could warrant a higher rating.
EDIT: Upon second and third samplings, my lukewarm enjoyment of this beer has turned into complete disgust. The third bottle was a balsamic vinegar, soy, and rotten prune bomb. Lowered from 3.38 to 1.73.
06-16-2011 15:36:09 | More by Verecund
4.4/5 rDev +16.7%
Bottle shared by Jason, thanks! Poured into Darkness tulip.
A - Pours black, flat, small bottles along the edge of the glass.
S - Bourbon, big red wine cab notes, nice tartness, chocolate, oak, slight alcohol booze. Possibly one of the most complex beers I've ever had the pleasure of smelling. If took a sniff and closed my eyes, I swear I'm drinking a Shiraz or big Napa Cabernet with a little extra tartness.
T - Huge red wine cabernet note, big tartness, very tannic, slight chocolate, chalky. The wine really takes over on the palate and turns this "beer" into more of a hybrid beer/wine of some sort. The tart notes are wonderful and it's easy to pick out the tannins from the wine barrels, amazing! The chocolate and bourbon are much more subtle, but still very much there.
M - Full, rich, no carbonation, and drinks very much like a red wine with a dry tannic finish.
O - I can't say I've ever had a beer similar to this. Simply amazing! The complexity of this beer might be unmatched by anything else I've had. Being a wine lover, this beer is def one of my favorites. If you don't like wine all that much, I can see them not caring for it as much as I did. One of the best, IMO.
06-15-2011 16:16:05 | More by Sean9689
4.97/5 rDev +31.8%
its my bday so i bring out the big guns opened this one on friday night to obliterate myself. this was quite simply one of the best beers i have ever drank. a sublime mix of everything i love about beer all rolled into one.
pours a lovely dark brown, nearly black with a fluffy tan head that caps the top of the glass nicely coating the sides and really making it look the part.
aroma is nuts, hard to even explain as you have to simply be there. dark chocolate and oak, mingled with deep grape, raspberry and dark fruit notes, sour with changing flavors twirling around. its hard to get a grip on this beer!
the combination of a dark roasted chocolate/malt driven base with sour fruit is one that really needs to be expierenced to completely get it. i simply cannot make the words do this justice. finishes off with the subtlest of dryness and lovely sour flavors and all is well in the world.
stunning, now by far my favorite beer from lost abbey, no question.
06-12-2011 16:30:34 | More by mikesgroove
4.53/5 rDev +20.2%
I enjoy wine very much, so this was a nice surprise. I felt like I was drinking a nice cabernet with hot fudge poured into it. A chocolate wine mix, tannic and flavorful. The look was not as impressive as the taste and smell. Sour cherries were lingering afterwards, nice beer!
06-12-2011 05:44:42 | More by olenka82
4.75/5 rDev +26%
cork popped with a weak puff, super dark black body with no carbonation at all... the aroma is outstanding and beyond complex, warm bourbon, red wine, tons of super sweet chocolate (almost a bit too much is my slightest complaint), a bit of vanilla finish... the taste is shocking because the cabarnet totally takes over and makes this basically taste like a wine, oak, red wine, tart like a wine, tannic, the chocolate notes add some awesome meat to the bones on this... almost perfect tasting, keeps you guessing, never complacent, get this now, unreal
06-12-2011 00:41:04 | More by jrallen34
4.33/5 rDev +14.9%
Poured from the bottle into a tulip.
First, some backstory: 009 began life as a dark ale that was sent to chill out in Heaven Hill barrels for 15 months. Then it was moved into French oak barrels previously used for wine (Syrah, mostly), inoculated with sour cherries and left to rest for another 15 months. Finally, it was pulled from the barrels in mid-2010, blended, bottled and allowed to condition for an additional 11 months.
Notes of cherry, red wine, cedar and dark cocoa accentuated by a pervasive acidity that makes for an incredibly deep finish
Pours from the bottle with great viscosity but is, sadly, flat as a pancake. DAMMIT. Some big soapy bubbles pop, but there's no lingering foam. The color is a super dark brown, like molten dark chocolate.
Despite the initial disappointment, this has an amazing aroma that I can pick up from a few feet away. Dr. Pepper mixes with vanilla, tons of butterscotch, dark cherry syrup, some dark chocolate and ethanol.
Very wine-like flavor. Tons of vinous oak mixes with fruit notes of cherry, blackberry and tart dark grapes. Barrel flavors are rampant: vanilla, caramel and butterscotch meld with substantial booziness. A smooth bright, blend.
I dig that the body is a creamy, buttery medium body. I don’t dig the absence of bubbles, especially since this was given so long to condition. Tongue numbing alcohol pummels the tongue alongside striking tartness.
Veritas 009 could use some time away, either to carbonate or lose some alcohol. Still, it’s hard to argue against the flavors this one’s exhibiting. Brilliantly tasty stuff.
06-06-2011 23:36:58 | More by Phelps
4.97/5 rDev +31.8%
4oz taster at veritas release party.
A- really dark brown mostly opaque still slightly translucent, some deep reds and auburn colors permeate the beer when held to light. very light carbonation and little to no head.
S- Sour cherries, oak, chocolate, bourbon and a whole lot more.. can't figure it all out it's so complex.
T- Just as complex as the smell, tons going on once it hits your lips. get the sour cherries and dark chocolate notes right up front one after another, really complicated finish, gonna need to revisit to try to figure this all out.
M- coats the mouth nicely for lingering aftertaste very little alcohol warmth.
06-04-2011 17:16:48 | More by lestat314
4.43/5 rDev +17.5%
Shared with a group of friends at a birthday dinner. What an unexpected treat!
Smelled thick and heavy. Tasted just like Chinese black vinegar and figs. Sounds horrible, I know, but it was truly delicious.
I'm sorry for all the (slightly) mean things I said about you, Tomme. No, actually, I'm not. But this beer was incredible.
06-04-2011 09:57:02 | More by lisomiso
United Kingdom (Wales)
4.53/5 rDev +20.2%
Bottle generously shared by kbutler1. Thanks a ton!
Bottle opens with the slightest pop.
Pours fairly flat. No head at all. Color is an extremely dark ruby red, nearing a dark purple around the edges. Looks like wine. A swirl leaves some legs.
Aroma: Smells like a mead or a wine. Tons of cherries. Bourbon notes and wine notes. Oaky with tons of barrel characteristics. Reminds me kind of like an old ale. Then I get more tart cherries. Lots of cherries. Grapes as it warms.
Taste: Woah. This beer is complex. Starts out with a tobacco flavor then I get some bourbon and oak flavors. It has vinegar flavors and then a ton of tart cherries. A lot of wine flavors as well. Chocolate. Towards the end I get some caramel sweetness.
Mouthfeel: Tart and dry. Medium to full bodied with a low, very low, amount of carbonation. Ends with some tobacco flavors.
Overall, I don't care about the low amount of carbonation. It works for this beer. I guess I would rather have something like this under than over carbonated. There are few beers that are as complex as this one. It has so much going on for it. Reminded me so much of a wine. Very enjoyable.
06-03-2011 23:48:35 | More by mothman
3.88/5 rDev +2.9%
Cracked a bottle of the 009 on the night of the release with a friend. Seems like most folks have been reviewing the tapped version.
A: Dark brown/ruby red and clear. Beer looks very thick! No carbonation. Shocker, I know. There's more bubbles in the toilet after I pee. Only way you were getting bubbles out of this bottle was to pour it from 3 feet.
S: Smells of great funk. Big cherry nose. Huge red wine aromas. Very very slight bourbon. Chocolate notes come through a bit as well.
T: Complex as all get out. Lingers forever. It is really thick and wine like in that the flavors stay around on the palate for days. Lots of tart cherry. Sour sour and more sour tart cherries. The red wine flavors make themselves known after your palate is obliterated by cherries. Chocolate comes in as well. Bourbon taste is extremely weak. Hardly noticeable. Zero carbonation makes this a cherry red wine, really. Could have used some CO2 to call it a beer.
M: Very full body. Wine like. Nice warming but no carbonation to improve the palate impression.
O: A trippy beer no doubt. Definitely worth a spin. A wine/beer hybrid for sure. Amazing how long the beer lingers on your tongue. Flavors are really great. But I could really only drink a small glass of this. A 4 oz. wine pour or so. Bring your friends over if you crack it More wine than beer, especially with no carbonation. Lack of carbonation is really tired with these guys. At some point they may want to hire someone who knows how to bottle beer.
06-03-2011 06:19:38 | More by sirfish
4.58/5 rDev +21.5%
Served on tap at the Veritas 009 release party. 4 oz pour into a Port Brewing / Lost Abbey taster.
A: Dark and stout looking, but with tones of red and purple. Little to no head, light carbonation. Leaves some decent legs on the glass.
S: Wow, quite a bit going on here. Sour cherries, oak, bourbon, vinous. This is a very complicated brew.
T: Immediate sour hits the pallete upon first sip. It mellows off into a bourbon-like after-taste. Sour cherries pucker the mouth. This drink really goes down warm. Flavors changed through each sip.
M: Very light with little to no viscosity. It seems a little flat on the back-end and could use some carbonation.
Edited on 8/1/11. Opened first bottle and was not impressed. Tap was much better, but most likely force carbonated.
O: A very impressive beer that has some insane complexities. I was fortunate enough to try a glass the night before the release, and then a taster on the day of the release. I'm going to age my bottles and see if this gets better.
06-02-2011 03:03:44 | More by unitmonster
4.47/5 rDev +18.6%
Taster at the veritas 009 release
Pours a dark brown with red under tones, little to no carbonation? I expected this from the bottle not draft, but that tells me maybe its supposed to be a low carbonation beer?
Smell is fantastic, I'm definatly picking up cherries and wine, little bit of chocolate. The bourbon comes out a little after my second smell
Tastes just like it smells, sour cherries, definatly tastes chocolate, can taste the bourbon but its not overpowerring at all, the abv is well masked although I think its higher than the labeled 8% awesome beer
Mouthfeel is good, its thicker but very smooth, no burn, I wish there was slightly more carbonation but it is ok
Overall, this is a outstanding beer I wish there was more than a 4 bottle limit, good job lost abbey this is my new favorite beer cheers
06-01-2011 14:32:55 | More by brandon0350
4.93/5 rDev +30.8%
Here goes my first review. I really did not know what to expect from this beer. From the description on the lost abbey site I was thinking it might be something along the lines of cuvee de tomme meets angel share. I had 1 3 oz poor while waiting in line at the release, and also split a bottle later that night. I wanted to try the bottle because some one had said they were more carbonated.
Has a strong chocolate flavor up front that balances well with the cherries. You will start to notice the bourbon once it starts to warm up. The carbonation is very low in both bottle and on tap. Poured a small head but dissipated fast. If anything it was more carbonated on tap. Overall the beer is perfect. I could not ask for anything more.
05-31-2011 06:59:06 | More by turble
4.65/5 rDev +23.3%
This beer is capable of breaking brains. Poured from the bottle into a Bruery tulip.
Pour is very dark. Near black, unless placed up to the light, when a clear, dark brown color is demonstrated. Pour is heavy and flat - no bubbles. Uh oh. Swirl of the glass yields nice legs. I doubt this is 8.0% abv like the label says. Slightly menacing-looking beer.
Smell. Whoa. Weirdness. But I really dig it. Huge tart cherries predominate throughout. Bourbon is silent at cold temperatures, but makes itself known as the beer warms. Vinous aromas reminiscent of cabernet. I swear I'm getting an aroma that reminds me of truffle salt, but I'm not convinced that I'm on point with that sensation. Some dark cocoa is intermixed in all this, somehow. Really complex.
Taste is grand, particularly at warmer temperatures. Strikingly and surprisingly sour. Big sour cherrys with a tiny dollop of chocolate fudge. Bourbon isn't really there. Red wine most definitely is.
Mouthfeel is full, but not heavy. Very sticky. Looong finish. This beer will remain on your lips for hours. The only complaint here is that it could benefit from a few more bubbles - there is just a hint of a tickle of carbonation here. I thought I detected it, but my drinking buddy swears this was completely flat. We both agree, however, that it wasn't much of a detraction - this beer doesn't really need the carbonation that badly.
Overall, this is great stuff. A special occasion beer for sure, and surely one to spring on people to make their heads explode. Halfway through the glass, it occurred to me that this is a beer that I would expect Hair of the Dog to create. Somewhat akin to what might happen if Alan tossed some bugs in the Cherry Adam. Extremely complex, very interesting. Highly recommended.
05-31-2011 02:23:35 | More by davod23
4.8/5 rDev +27.3%
On tap at the release party.
A- Wow, I was a little scared seeing this brown beast in my glass, I didn't think it was going to be sour from the look of the beer. Nice brown color with slight red/brown hues and light 1/2 finger head that dissapates quickly.
S- Nice roasted malt and chocolate with tons of sour cherry aroma followed with a hint of bourbon, really light on the bourbon, you will only notice it as it warms up, also detecting some nice wooden tannins in this.
T- Nice chocolate notes with light bourbon immediately followed by an overwhelmingly sour cherry flavor, really interesting beer. Nice dark chocolate and roastiness in the front with tart cherries on the mid, side, and back pallate, extremely dry finish with nice oaky wooden tannins, this will age nicely, it already has a year of conditioning within the bottle. Really a great tasting beer that leaves you wondering the many different flavors, each sip imparts different chocolates, roastiness, oakiness, and wine/cherry flavors.
M- Perfect carbonation that I'm hoping will transition to the bottles, nice flavors and medium body, nice level of tannins for aging.
D- Really easy to drink this beer and as I stated above this beer is fun to drink with the everchanging flavors and layers that leave you wanting more. Highly recommend, gonna try to keep several for the years ahead...
05-30-2011 21:08:30 | More by Schmaltzy
4.33/5 rDev +14.9%
As my first BA review, I am glad it's of Veritas 009.
I was skeptical at first because of the dark chocolate/red color that was poured into my 4oz taster. But man, did it taste completely different than expected.
First off, the smell kept me guessing which flavors were going to be more pronounced in the taste. I picked up a tangy, oaky, nutty smell. And then some sour fruit and grape odors.
Very tasty. First you get a little of a smooth chocolate flavor mixed with those tart cherry notes. This beer had a pleasant sour/tartness level. And the bourbon and wine flavors harmonized perfectly with the medium to full body feel of the beer.
And as said by other reviewers, I could still taste the flavors on my tongue 5-10 minutes after finishing the pour.
Glad I was fortunate to pick up a few bottles to age and drink again later!
05-30-2011 01:42:40 | More by cocoapuph
4.83/5 rDev +28.1%
Sampled this at the release.
I read the reviews so I expected the dark color but the flavors were not something I was expecting.
The main flavor was tart cherries, extremely tart cherries. Chocolate, roastiness and some bourbon from the barrel aging. Seemed very dry, those tart cherries just gripped on to your tongue and wouldn't let it go, I've never had a beer with such a long finish.
Very strong flavors now that work well together but I see this aging very well, it had a medium to full body and a very smooth texture.
05-29-2011 19:30:47 | More by ZX6Chris
4.93/5 rDev +30.8%
Had a 4oz draft pour at Lost Abbey.
Rather surprised when I saw the bartender pour the beer in the glass. Had a dark chocolate-like, brownish color with a red wine tint. Before smelling it, I anticipated the beer to resemble Cascade's Bourbonic Plague. The smell had sharp notes of sour, red fruits. There was a burst of cherries in the smell with a vineous sting. The taste was no different. The first sip was just the perfect primer to the palate. Strong sour flavors of cherry, and a hint of tamarinds. I didn't get much of the bourbon in the flavor, but the color seemed to be manipulated by it. Wasn't really boozy either. It was just the right amount of alcohol in it to compliment the beer in all sorts of ways. It's very smooth and mouth-watering. Can't wait to try this again in one year.
05-29-2011 08:43:02 | More by PlinyTheKid
4.65/5 rDev +23.3%
aboiut 10oz draft pour into a lost abbey chunky tumbler.
pours a dark maroon, maybe dark purple. Fair amount of head about a fingers worth but fades away quickly.
the aroma is very intriguing. You get the sour cherry and some strong vinegar also along with some dark earthy notes a very dry nose similar to a big red wine.
the taste is fantastic. upfront you get a mix of the barrel some bourbon notes play with the wine barrel flavors. followed by some dark grape and cherry notes along with tart vinegar in the middle of the palate. then it finishes with a very dry mouth sucking bite.
Drinkablility is amazing. went through the glass no problem. look forward to trying this gem from a bottle.
05-29-2011 08:10:26 | More by pastradul
4.97/5 rDev +31.8%
On tap at the release. Reviewed from notes. Had 2, 3oz or so tasters. Poured into a 4oz port brewing taster glass.
Pours a black to dark brown. Decent tan head dissipated to a film and left some ok lacing.
Aroma is amazing. So many things going on. Sourness up front with bourbon and then a bit of the cherries and wine from the wine barrels. I didn't think those two things went together but they marry well.
Taste is awesome. Same as above with that sort of older viz or angels share bourbon flavor mixed with the sour cherries and lactic acid and then the smooth chocolate. Nice wine characteristics as well but I wish they came through a bit more than they did.
Mouthfeel was spot on. Smooth and coats your mouth. Carbonation was spot on but this is on tap.
Overall an amazing beer that I'm glad I have 4 bottles of. Probably wont trade any off because it's so awesome.
05-29-2011 06:07:44 | More by PeprSprYoFace
4.63/5 rDev +22.8%
The beer definitely exceeded expectations, and was an overall winner. Most people definitely seemed to be enjoying this beer when the tapped that 15 gallon keg of this.
Appearance was a dark, and not overly viscous. Poured with a small 1cm head, without much lacing.
Aroma was pretty good. Slight cherry on the nose, with a tinge of bourbon in there.
Taste was just wonderful though... Wonderful sour notes added on top of the light cherry flavor. It seemed wonderfully better version of Cuvee de Tomme in a way.. cherry a little more subdued, it had the perfect amount of viscosity for this type, with a great great sourness.
Could this beer get better with age? Maybe... but I think it's drinking wonderfully right now. It's already been conditioning for a year? I can see why Tomme decided to release this one.. it's pretty epic.
Compared to the other Veritas, I don't quite hold it in quite as high esteem as the yummy 004, but honestly, thinking about it more, it's definitely on par with 006 and 007. Completely different beers, so this is quite the subjective opinion, but I could entirely see this beer being more memorable than those, esp given how unique this special beer is. Never had anything like this.. like the perfect amalgamation of a bourbon flavored sour!
Hopefully this beer holds up, as I don't want to drink my bottles immediately!
05-29-2011 04:01:25 | More by johndoe8
4.75/5 rDev +26%
As much talk happens about the Lost Abbey, this offering reminds us that boundaries are still being pushed in San Marcos and the results can be spectacular. I had a couple tasters of this beer, which poured menacingly black with only a few sparse bubbles to signify the presence of head. Aromas aren't best described at a packed brewery release, but what I did sense reminded of sour cherries and dark fruits, sour and vinous.
The story behind this beer is quite remarkable, and not until this beverage hit my tongue did I realize that the resulting beer actually is equally, or probably even more remarkable. I heard this was sour, so I expected a prototypical "Lost Abbey sour" with good flavor and excess acidity. What hit my tongue is not like any other Lost Abbey beer, incomparable to just about anything I have tried in the last few thousand beers I've tried.
The one word I think describes the flavor is robust--dark fruits immediately engulf the tongue, rich, satisfying sour cherries, unprecedentedly rich vinous character. Sour and oaky with a malt background, but all of these things so well integrated using any of them alone seems foolish. Sour, but not acidic, and malty, but not roasty--the end result is something port-like in quality. Something rich, palate pleasing, and robust.
Finally I understand the constant references to "wine drinkers" enjoying this. I thought that was mostly non-sense, but I have to admit this is spot on. Low carbonation, creamy and moderately thick body coats the palate and a tangy tartness lingers on the palate, not unlike a good dark wine, but better than that obviously.
I found this beer to be a revelation that pushes boundaries. Excellent as of the release date and every bit deserving of the name of the already legendary series it belongs to: Veritas.
05-29-2011 01:09:03 | More by vacax
4.08/5 rDev +8.2%
Odd. A blend of intense cuvee Tomme and a lighter angels share. Cherries seemed light and some red wine red fruits with a backbone of bourbon and intense sour. Where does this beer go from here? Can it improve? How different is it out of bottle. More questions than answers. It does bring you back for more. The mind bender factor is high. I like being challenged, this does that.
05-28-2011 22:54:56 | More by paytoplay
4.6/5 rDev +22%
On-tap at Lost Abbey served in a taster glass ($3).
A: Pours dark brown with minimal khaki brown head. Retention is moderate and lacing is minimal.
S: Tons of brown sugar and toasted malt, some bourbon and oak, with just a touch of sour cherry.
T: Extremely complex and well layered. Individual flavors really stand out at different points in the tasting. Up front is strong red wine flavor, oak and some cherry. It's clearly sour, but not overbearingly sour. Towards the middle more malty sweetness comes balanced out with less wine and more sour flavors. The finish has a touch of chocolate and a wisp of bourbon. I didn't get the bourbon until the very very end, almost like breathing out the whiskey.
M: Carbonation is low with a slick, oily mouthfeel. Very smooth and easy to drink.
O: Complex. Sweet, sour, red wine, bourbon, and oak all mixed together in a way that all flavors really stand out. Definitely a winner for me. Possibly the best sour I've had to this point.
05-28-2011 22:24:06 | More by dmsohyea
Veritas 009 from The Lost Abbey
85 out of 100 based on 227 ratings.