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Veritas 009 - The Lost Abbey

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very good

229 Ratings
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Ratings: 229
Reviews: 90
rAvg: 3.77
pDev: 25.46%
Wants: 165
Gots: 84 | FT: 2
Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey visit their website
California, United States

Style | ABV
American Wild Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: HopHead84 on 05-28-2011)
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1.75/5  rDev -53.6%

jbuddle, Jan 28, 2013
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1.75/5  rDev -53.6%

KevSal, Jan 28, 2013
Photo of Arbitrator
1/5  rDev -73.5%
look: 1 | smell: 1 | taste: 1 | feel: 1 | overall: 1

Veritas is Lost Abbey's line of experimental beers, where Tomme "Tomme" Arthur seeks to push the boundaries of traditional brewing techniques and develop something new. His notable accomplishments included 003 (it showed me that a strong ale with bacteria could do pretty well), 004 (peach!), 006 (raspberry puree in stomach acid!), 008 (tea!). His latest innovation is 009, wherein Tomme has brewed a beer with absolutely no redeeming qualities.

Thanks to Sideswipe for the bottle. Opened and shared at my birthday tasting.

A: Pours an opaque, maroon body.

S: Funky vinegar, prunes, cinnamon. I was very disconcerted. Had someone pranked me with a fake bottle?

T: I simply could not figure out what this beer was trying to do. It had the pruney, soy saucey qualities that I detest in Dark Lord, soured with a mild vinegar burn, earth, and some band-aid. Tannins, vanilla, bourbon. WHAT IS GOING ON

O: I believe the beer was $35, so it's not affordable. It was a brewery-only release, so it wasn't accessible. It was so bad that a group of 25 beer geeks left over 50% of it on the table, so it wasn't good. Congratulations, Tomme: you've successfully trolled the beer community. There is literally no reason to drink this; it defines the bottom of the pile, do not pass Go, do not collect $200, go directly to Jail.

Arbitrator, Jan 28, 2013
Photo of ptykozoon
4.21/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

A tiny pop announces a very black liquid, a bit of brown shows up in the light. No head or lacing. One of the darkest beers I've seen actually, intriguing.

The scents are powerful and tremendously good. Dark chocolate, caramel, maple syrup, a light fruit element, a dash of licorice and vanilla. Smells like a heavy stout.

Taste is bewildering considering the smell yet immensely welcomed. I did not know or honestly think a funky attribute to this beer would work. This is such a rare style, one of the most uniquely flavored beers I've ever had. The taste put simply is sour grape and chocolate put together. As the reviews show - not everyone's cup of tea, you really have to be a sour aficionado.

The mouthfeel is heavy and light at the same time - very hard to describe. Lightly carbonated - about the perfect amount for a beer like this I reckon.

Very good, not a session beer for me but a perfect beer for someone with a sour itch in the late hours of the night.

ptykozoon, Jan 28, 2013
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popery, Jan 28, 2013
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2.75/5  rDev -27.1%

CheapBeerBuzz, Jan 26, 2013
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3.05/5  rDev -19.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3

A: dark with a red hue. little carbonation, no head.

S: tart cherries, bourbon, strong red wine characteristics, chocolate

T: COMPLEX. very strong sour cherry flavor that melts into a very nice red wine taste with hints of chocolate/bourbon/old ale.

M: Thick, if the carbonation was upped just a tad it would be perfect.

O: Excellent beer, i was really expecting this beer to be disappointing. I was very wrong. The sour cherry aspect is just something i have never experienced in any other beer. Highly recommended.

This beer has really fallen off. Very strong vinegar flavor and no carbonation. Was very difficult to finish a 4 oz pour. I have had some bottles that still tasted rather good but for the most part they are going down hill quickly.

mrbubbler, Jan 23, 2013
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2/5  rDev -46.9%

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AlexFields, Jan 11, 2013
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4/5  rDev +6.1%

tbone1384, Dec 16, 2012
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3.5/5  rDev -7.2%

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4/5  rDev +6.1%

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3.75/5  rDev -0.5%

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3.53/5  rDev -6.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to Tieman for sharing this one at his tasting.

Pours an opaque dark brown with no head and no lacing on the drink down. Smell is sour and tart with some dark malt, dark fruit, and alcohol aromas. Taste is much the same with a really tart and acidic finish. This beer has a low level of carbonation with an almost flat mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty good beer but it definitely smells better than it tastes.

UCLABrewN84, Nov 11, 2012
Photo of Beerandraiderfan
2.5/5  rDev -33.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

A light purplish liquid, no head on it whatsoever. Aroma of wood, plum-raisin-fig type of dark fruit thing going on.

Tasted very flat, lacked sourness, some tartness, but really tasted like 10 commandments or something completely unsoured. Tastes like they took red wine and brandy and created a blend, very unbeerlike of you dude. Boozyness seemed to much to bear as well. No lactic sour notes. Toffee, cabernet and fig.

Really didn't find anything to say I enjoyed about this. No wait, the bottle, its a cool design! This was my least favorite bottle brought to Reno's Summer Sour Bottle Share 2011. Totally awesome that jordan brought it, but dang, just didn't work for me.

Beerandraiderfan, Aug 24, 2012
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2.53/5  rDev -32.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Consumed on 7/28 as a break from the BA DarkLords during the NYC Voltron tasting!!! thanks to blatantdream for providing this gem?
no bottle number written on the label.

a - dark purple with no head. no carbonation.

s - some funk. purpleness...grape...funk...sour...medicine...vinegar.

t - vingar. pungent. kind of intense but not necessarily in a good way.

m - vinegary.

o - not for me...glad i tried it, but super pungent. tart to the max. i suppose i can get how some people dig it, but this one really didn't do it for me. the bud that was opened after this was kind of a breath of fresh air.

cosmicevan, Aug 05, 2012
Photo of brystmar
2.58/5  rDev -31.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to blatantdream for sharing!

Pours black (wtf?!), zero head, zero lace. Strongly medicinal aroma and lactic, very uninviting. Taste equally disappoints: boozy and medicinal, dark fruits, booze, more medicine? Not very good, and a far cry from my only other Veritas experience (V010 = <3). Glad to tick this, but I can barely finish my small pour.

brystmar, Jul 29, 2012
Photo of DefenCorps
4.63/5  rDev +22.8%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Wasn't this beer closer to 10-12% ABV? In any case, thanks, CJ!

Black with dark brown highlights, this beer has no head whatsoever. The nose is excellent. If the Cable Car Kriek showed off red cherries, this is a wonderful showcase for black cherries. Flesh and skin tannins are present, along with dark chocolate, mildly soy-like. Earthy, leathery, tannic, there's some bourbon and vanilla to round out the nose. Compelling, complex and surprisingly well integrated IMO.

The palate opens with a blend of black cherry, cocoa, soy, vanilla, bourbon and cherry sourness. The combination of the sour cherry and bourbon is pretty excellent. Full in body, lightly carbonated (if that), this feels really nice on the palate (I appreciate the low carbonation, almost any would just not work with this beer IMO). The finish has a mild sourness with a blend of cherries, bourbon, oak and vanilla. Excellent stuff, I look forward to revisiting this in the future.

**edit 12/31/2013**
Thanks, Carlos! It popped! I guess a few years finally allowed it to carbonate some.

Sour black cherry goodness, with earth, mushrooms, bourbon, plenty of barrel character, vanilla and some soy. In fact, the only thing that's changed is that the sourness has increased along with the carbonation. The bourbon and soy seem better integrated too.

The palate opens quite sour with a blend of lactic and red wine sourness with plenty of black, sour cherries, vinous and quite majestic. Vanilla, bourbon, red wine, some booze, a lactic, meaty funk, this has taken on some oerbier reservation characteristics. Sour and lactic with a touch of balsamic vinegar, there's an earthy, meaty character here. An excellent beverage to welcome the new year with IMO. 4/4.5/4.25/4.5/4.5

DefenCorps, Jul 02, 2012
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4/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

One of the few bottles that was solely mine for the LA tasting. Poured into a mini snifter.

A - First bottle that had zero pop on it. Aggressive pour yielded almost no bubbles. Slightly less than jet black.

S - Roastiness and slight bourbon. After it warms up, the vanilla really comes out.

T - The sour is very sharp up front. The roast kicks in the middle, and the bourbon finishes.

M - The sour really makes it sharp. The mouth is a good lightness despite the roastiness.

O - Dark sours aren't my thing. This is better than most dark sours than I've had, but really not my thing.

raveskdr, Jul 02, 2012
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4.5/5  rDev +19.4%

Jerriko, Jun 30, 2012
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5/5  rDev +32.6%

KyleMA, Jun 27, 2012
Veritas 009 from The Lost Abbey
85 out of 100 based on 229 ratings.