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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)

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807 Ratings
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Ratings: 807
Reviews: 436
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%


Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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badbeer

Iowa

4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Garnet color with a beige head that quickly recedes to a ring around the glass and leaves spotty lacing. Aroma is quite sweet with caramel, toffee, and dark fruit, but there still is a noticeable amount of hops (English variety?). Taste is vinous, has some brown sugar, dark fruits, a hint of spice it seems, and some grassy hops also coming through. Light carbonation and medium to full bodied. An enjoyable beer. Bottle courtesy of hoppymeal.

Serving type: bottle

01-03-2009 04:01:06 | More by badbeer
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tjthresh

Indiana

4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours brown with some nice reddish hues. There's a ring of dirty white foam around the edge. Bold nose with cherry pits, Werthers candies, Tootsie Rolls, and a bit of chewing tobacco. The flavor is rich with chocolate and chew. If they actually made chewing tobacco that tastes like this, I made pick it up again. Full body with just a bit of carbonation and a sweet finish. Very yummy stuff.

Serving type: bottle

02-11-2009 13:33:10 | More by tjthresh
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hoppymcgee

Pennsylvania

4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to Knifestyles for this bottle. Poured from a 2008 vintage bottle into a Ommegang tulip glass.

A: Reddish dark brown with little to no head. Pretty still and almost wine-like besides the tiny ring of carbonation.

S: Nutty, buttery, toffee, toasted almond. Overall, a pretty sweet smell (pun intended).

T: This beer is quite complex. The overall notion is sweet. Underneath I get port wine characteristics, a little roastiness and a little nuttiness, but it still finishes sweet.

M: The right amount of carbonation for this style and ABV. I actually wish this was a little more viscous.

D: The booze has worn off, but the sweetness is in full force. This beer is best had in 4 to 6oz. servings as it is pretty rich.

Overall, maybe a bit hyped or maybe 2008 wasn't a great vintage or maybe it was aged past its prime.

Serving type: bottle

07-31-2010 01:04:11 | More by hoppymcgee
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beerdrifter

Germany

4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked this up from a great trade with page101. Clear ruby-brown pour with almost no head and minimal lacing. Earthy, complex, malty nose with hints of toffee, caramel, oak, rye, and a touch of dark fruit and vanilla. The taste is complex as well, and also dominated by the sweet malt. Lots of roasty toffee, caramel and hazelnut with a boozy, woody bite. Hints of rye, raisins, figs, vanilla and oak. Extremely rich with a nice subtle alcohol warming. This is definitely a sipper. The mouthfeel is slightly syrupy, thick and chewy and plenty sweet, with just a touch of hop bitterness. The alcohol warms, but for the most part is pretty well hidden for such a big beer. Another great Michigan beer. Can't wait to try the Bourbon Barrel Fourth Dementia. Thanks Alex!

Serving type: bottle

05-09-2011 03:31:48 | More by beerdrifter
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raznug

Ohio

4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is a 2008 vintage
Appearance: It pours a cloudy reddish color topped with 1” of off white tight head that holds firm at a ¼”. There are chunks floating in the brew I think I forgot about the yeast settlings in the bottom of the bottle.
Smell: It smells of sweet malt and some alcohol. In the background you can smell toffee and caramel.
Taste: It tastes very sweet to start, there are bourbon notes, and toffee, caramel and alcohol are the major taste flavors in this brew. The sweetness is almost too much as the beer warms.
Mouthfeel: This is a beer that has a thickness to it that doesn’t dominate the palate but allows the flavor lingers nicely.

Serving type: bottle

11-20-2011 20:44:55 | More by raznug
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tobelerone

Connecticut

4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a rich chestnut brown; nearly clear, with very little head or lacing. Complex aroma is vinous, sweet, toasted marshmallows as mentioned on the label; toffee and caramel, raisins, booze, woody notes. Flavor equally complex but less sweet; there’s the trace of marshmallow and toffee from the nose but less prominent in the taste; oaky, slightly corky, vinous. Port and brandy flavors, some heat and warming as expected from the high ABV but not too much burn. Pleasant fusel alcohol presence. Low carbonation but not still; a little sticky, somewhat creamy. Medium body, could be a bit fuller. Finishes surprisingly dry. Tasty old ale; would love to see what the barrel aging brings to this very intriguing beer.

Serving type: bottle

03-26-2012 13:48:03 | More by tobelerone
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rlee1390

Indiana

4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A-Clear ruby amber, not much carbonation one finger off white head

S-Malt heavy, caramel, dark fruits and raisins.

T-Very sweet with caramel and molasses, lots of dark fruits. Balance is slightly off

M-Medium to heavy not much carbonation

O-Was expecting a lot better, glad I was able to try it but was not my cup of tea.

Serving type: bottle

04-11-2014 19:23:41 | More by rlee1390
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Sammy

Ontario (Canada)

3.98/5  rDev -7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

2004 bottle. Barleywine aroma. Yeast, lace. Good carbonation. Sweetness and accompanying spicey yeast, pineapple. The alcohol is ever present and a medium-full mouthfeel. Would love to try again in a year and again in five. Thanks Tim(IPFreely)for sharing. Second bottle 5 months later, harshness on mouth after the first few sips.
Six years later and somewhat sour. Great labels though.
Nine years later and very smooth spices, cola, caramel.

Serving type: bottle

07-05-2005 02:37:54 | More by Sammy
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younger35

Minnesota

3.98/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Received this brew quite some time back. This will be my third brew from Kuhnhenn and so far I'm not overly impressed. Drank from my Ithaca Excelsior tulip. Non dated bottle, which according to my buddy means this is pre 2007.

Appearance- Pours a very dark brownish red with a small half finger white head that recedes quickly. A lily pad cap is left with a very thin collar that leaves zero lacing.
Smell- Very fruity and dark with a strong raisin and fig scent. Some berry tones as well consisting of blackberry's and raspberries. Loads of caramel and brown sugar as well as sherry and candied cherries. Perhaps a touch of vanilla as the beer seems to smell sweeter as it warms.
Taste- Much like the nose it starts exceedingly fruity with booze soaked cherries and figs. The alcohol has a fairly significant bite yet the beer remains amazingly smooth. Loads of toffee, brown sugar, molasses and sherry seem to coat my entire mouth. Some light accents of chocolate and sherbet give way to deep earthy tones of tobacco and leather. A lingering bit of fruit and slight astringency finish the beer.
Mouthfeel- Not overly full or really all that heavy considering how big this brew is. Very lightly carbonated with a slick warming feel.
Drinkability- Well considering I'm not a huge Old Ale fan I did really enjoy this brew. It took me quite awhile to finish this brew but I did enjoy the heck out of it. It was a nice change of pace from my usual choices. Tasty stuff!

Serving type: bottle

04-18-2009 02:53:11 | More by younger35
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illidurit

California

3.98/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

07 bottle courtesy bret27. Pours a murky orange-brown with barely any tan head. Aroma is big on tropical fruit and caramel. Flavor is similar, monstrous body with tons of caramel, ripe citrus and figs. Alcohol really isn't that noticeable. It's warming but well-integrated. Very rich and full-bodied, a good slow-sipper.

Serving type: bottle

11-21-2009 21:39:54 | More by illidurit
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drabmuh

Maryland

3.95/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by Matt recently after I told him this beer was on my "long list." THANKS MATT!

Served in a snifter. Beer is dark brown and forms a thin off white head that still leaves some lacing on the glass but overall carbonation levels appear low. Looks OK

Aroma is dark fruits like raisins, sweetness with a back drop of apricots and pears. Interesting. May be slightly oxidized.

Beer is sweet with an apple middle and dry finish. The forward beer is thin but the body fills out in the midpalate somehow to finish with a medium to full body. Interesting. I think this beer would benefit from some age on it. Dirnkability was pretty good, mouthfeel was confusing.

Serving type: bottle

07-02-2010 03:21:30 | More by drabmuh
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brewtechnik

New Hampshire

3.95/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A: Looks like muddy water when poured into my glass. Zero head.

S: Malt Bomb! Resembles Utopias, lots of ethanol mixed with caramel, raison, chocolate, and, well, malt. Oak also comes through. Almost no hop character.

T: Very slight bitterness, alcohol presence right away, and lingers. Again, malt forward with lots of sweetness but not cloying. Lots of dark fruit flavors in the background. The oak character is perfect.

M: Thinner than I would expect, alcohol lingers but is not hot. low bitterness. Very-very low carbonation.

O: If you like the Utopias "style" of beer, then you would enjoy this. Lots of malt, very low hop character and low carbonation. But, very delicious and boozy. I feel good after just one :)

Serving type: bottle

10-26-2011 22:42:58 | More by brewtechnik
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Stocean1

Ontario (Canada)

3.95/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured a one finger head, upon an amber body, a beige head tops it off with good retention - slowly down to a nice collar of foam, fine bubbles.

Smell is caramel, dark fruit and booze.

Taste follows the nose with apricot and alcohol. Very earhty with a hint of sweet tarts.

Mouth is dry, sweet, warming alcohol however towards the end the booze began to dominate, tart, and not particularly smooth.

O - a decent brew with complexities I enjoy trying but I can not say I would seek it out.

Serving type: bottle

11-01-2011 03:51:55 | More by Stocean1
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ahking

Michigan

3.93/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

Piney, citrusy, and fruit punch aromas attack your nose. Super smooth and malty with enough hops present to remind you this is beer. Deep ruby/mahogany colors. Full and chewy mouthfeel.Very tasty ale; I want to drink more, but high ABV prevents that. I really like this beer. True testament to how good it is: I would drink this beer warm and flat!

Serving type: on-tap

06-02-2005 23:44:08 | More by ahking
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shbobdb

Indiana

3.93/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

This beer is caramel coffee. What a delightful idea! I think I will start my day out with that tomorrow, caramel coffee.
Rich and sweet, with a definate coffee/bitter chocolate presence rounded off with deep prunes and Kirschwasser.
This is a mighty tastey beer. There are hops in this brew . . . somewhere, but they are so dominated by the malts in the flavour profile that you really only notice it when you either smell the beer (where it is mixed with beautiful malts and booze) or in the lingering aftertaste.
Even the mouthfeel is nice. Thin, yet round. Very tastey. I really like it.
The booze is still a little too present, though. The one mark against an amazing beer. The goodness wins out over the badness though.
Yummy.

Serving type: bottle

03-29-2006 03:22:01 | More by shbobdb
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SaucyA

Michigan

3.93/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

2007. Cellar temp.

A - Poured into a Kuhnhenn tulip. Deep, dark brown with a lovely 1 finger, light tan head. Lots of bubbles ride the glass. Fantastic frothy lace. Noticeable carbonation dies down quickly, yet head never fades.

S - So nice... and very Kuhnhenn. There are a few smells that come to be commonplace in their big brews. Deep malt base, coupled with fruity esters. Raisins, molasses, alcohol.

T - Super roasty malts, big alcohol finish, noticeable hop bittering as well as bitter roasted malts. Slight coffee affects, as well as molasses. Melted bittersweet chocolate. Sweet, slightly sour, slightly bitter... will knock your tastebuds around.

M - I wouldn't mind if it were thicker. The carbonation and creaminess are on point, just seems like it could use a little more viscosity.

D - One and done. I love Fourth Dementia, but having more than one glass is asking for it.

Notes: This is a fine brew, but Ola Dubh 16 and Adam are both a little better from the bottle. Fourth Dementia is a bit better on tap.

Serving type: bottle

11-02-2008 20:31:00 | More by SaucyA
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malty

Michigan

3.93/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Enjoyed on a Monday late afternoon lunch at HopCat in Grand Rapids.

Poured into a stemmed tulip chalice a dark crimson with plum hilights. A thin khaki head settles to a mere 1/8" but stays creamy and dense. The liquid is perfectly clear with no signs of upward carbonation.

The scent is minimal. It lurks and shrugs when put under my nostrils. After a few swirls, Boozy malts laden with concord grapes evokes.

The flavors are thick and bright with what reminds me of stomped on Fig Newtons. A few sips in, a warming sherry note takes charge with a Christmas fruit cake backdrop.

Mouthfeel is full bodied to the max. with light but lifting fine carbonation. Warming and full flavored, somewhat spicy finish.

Drinkabilty is good. I definitely will be satisfied with this 13 oz. pour.

Glad I got to finally savor this gentle beast at my favorite beer bar. It's pretty much impossible to find this anywhere, so im very thankful HopCat brought in a keg. Great stuff on a sunny laidback winter afternoon.

Serving type: on-tap

03-07-2011 19:55:22 | More by malty
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Alieniloquium

Florida

3.91/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter. 2010 vintage.

Appearance - Deep brown with a surprising head. Wispy surface with a thin collar. Leggy on the swirl.

Smell - Mmm. A bit of oxidation, some wet sock aroma, delicious. Deep earthy caramel aroma.

Taste - Nutty malt flavor, earthy hops. Slightly less impressive than the smell. No real sweetness. Bitter finish. No booze.

Mouthfeel - No alcohol or sweetness. It's a sipper, but it's not really difficult to drink. Medium carbonation.

Overall - Nowhere near as good as the barrel aged version, but still an impressive beer.

Serving type: bottle

04-03-2013 02:42:49 | More by Alieniloquium
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goodbyeohio

Oregon

3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

update: 2011

before consuming the next in my kuhnhenn stash, i saw the last time i had this was not so successful. this worries me. whatever. let's roll the dice!

purplish pour. big fruity & sweet aroma. i get dates, cherry pie filling, burnt sugar, rum cake, and a tinge of the esters from a big belgian dark ale. booze overwhelms the sweet (which is present), but makes this thankfully more of a sipper than a saccharine drain pour. carbonation is there but muted, nice for the heft. kind of tastes like fruity smores.. definite marshmallow and toasty graham. absolutely zero tartness or infection. this reminds me a lot of north coast old stock, just a bit bigger and more intense.

bottled 2/05... revisiting a cellared bottle. fraw notes:

murky bloodish with expansive tan foam bridges. dotty lace. smells like the garbage can the day after you throw overcooked maple bacon in it.

first sip is full of cherry acid, next is overwhelming with woody must and portish stale booze. sips get smaller and smaller as not to offend my sensitive palate (the same palate which just shared a 22oz 2007 maharaja and should be suitably adjusted to big flavors). the final sip shows some nutty toffee and carob richness but fails to overpower the essential rotten fruit funk.

this is what i imagine a non-pasteurized, fresh-cherry version of three philosophers after years of sitting on a steamy, 75 degree shelf would produce. unfortunately, this brew was stored in a temperate cellar with love and care. fridged, even, for the last few months.

F minus. this beer has disintegrated in quality. originally, in 05, i rated this beer in the 4 range. fuck that noise, it's dead to me now.

i'll take a bottle of infected creme brulee over this travesty ANY DAY.

Serving type: bottle

03-22-2007 03:05:30 | More by goodbyeohio
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emmasdad

Colorado

3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a medium to dark brown, with a very minimal head. Aromas of honey, molasses, dark brown sugar and oak. On the palate, this one is quite boozy, with rum soaked dark fruits and more of the above sugars. An enjoyable beer, but one I wouldn't want a large quantity.

Serving type: on-tap

09-19-2010 17:04:00 | More by emmasdad
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Kadonny

Pennsylvania

3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I got this bottle via trade. FYI my bottle listed abv at 12.5%.

Poured into a tulip tasting glass from a 12 ounce bottle.

A: A dark brownish color with some hints of ruby red. A very thin off white head leaves minimal lacing.

S: Wow, fantastic. Smells of candy with butterscotch, caramel, toffee, dark ripe fruits and a hint of wood tones.

T: Ok, beer is much sweeter than the aroma. The first flavors that pour out are the dark ripe fruits with raisin, fig, prune coupled with a candy like sweetness that gives off butterscotch, caramel, molasses and some slight earthy or wood tones. Sweetness is strong and lasting with the alcohol flavor kicking in at the end. You taste this beer long after its gone from the mouth.

M: Full, coating, syrupy sweet (almost cloying), lasting with the abv poking out for sure.

O: A very good beer that is hurt by the overall huge sweetness. Limited quantities can only be tolerated as the sweetness just keeps coming and coming. Very complex and it would make a fantastic dessert beer.

This was a very good beer, but not my bag with the huge sweetness. Still, I'm very glad I got to try it.

Serving type: bottle

03-22-2011 14:35:57 | More by Kadonny
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s1ckboy

Massachusetts

3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Nice off white head. Deep red body

S - Amazing. Very sweet. Caramel, burnt sugar, molasses dark fruits, a touch of alcohol.

T - Some caramel and dark fruits. Alcohol is very well hidden. A good amount of bitterness coming through at the end. Could use some age. A bit of a disappointment after smelling it.

M - On the thinner side of medium. A bit sticky and syrupy.

O - A decent old ale, definitly not my favorite. I very much prefer the barrel aged version.

Serving type: bottle

10-01-2011 00:11:18 | More by s1ckboy
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TheManiacalOne

Rhode Island

3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2009 release, acquired from raznug courtesy of the Under 100-3 BIF, so a big “Thank You” goes out to him. Poured from a 12oz bottle into a US tumbler pint glass.

A: The beer is a deep reddish brown color, with a thin light brown head that fades quickly and leaves a thin lace on the glass.

S: The aroma contains brown sugar, bourbon, caramelized malts and some hops.

T: The taste starts out sweet with flavors of bourbon, caramel and brown sugar. Then a significant alcohol sting comes in followed by a hearty malt character. The hops presence is mild but brings a decent balance. The after-taste is slightly sweet.

M: Smooth and crisp, medium body, medium carbonation, finish is slightly sticky.

D: Tasty, goes down easily, not too filling, ABV listed on the bottle is 12.50% so a very strong kick, very good representation of style, this is a solid stronger beer but there are others in the style that I would choose first.

Serving type: bottle

01-01-2012 21:44:22 | More by TheManiacalOne
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mmapes

Colorado

3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Big thanks to Andrew for the trade. We opened a 2012 vintage.

Pours cloudy, murky brown. Smells of whiskey, carmel. Smells sweet - very sweet, some molasses.

First impression: sweet! Lingering finish has an herbal quality. Medicinal? Very hot. Probably needs to warm up before we can say more definitively what the taste will be.

Later sips: the herbal component stays in the back. The sweetness stays forward. Probably less balanced and interesting than my favorite Old Stock, but pretty good. Up my alley.

Nice thick mouthfeel coats the tongue.

Serving type: bottle

01-03-2014 00:49:18 | More by mmapes
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Khazadum

Illinois

3.88/5  rDev -9.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottle is Olde Ale 2009. Should be enough time for this to settle a bit from its 12.5% nature.

A- Deep, deep mahogany brown. Creamy top with pock marks of bubbles. Edges of the glass reveal a load of carbonation streaming up the edges.

Retention time is a bit lackluster, settled to a thin skin and moderate collar. Reminds me of oatmeal without the water. Lacing is spotty, but for the most part decent.

S- Dark fruits ahoy! We have plums and raisins sweetening the opening notes. Grapes and wine-like body... sharp alcoholic edging balances out the syrupy flavors.

T- Like the nose, I notice a large shipment of dark, sweet, fruits arriving on my tongue. From here there is a middle flavor that is interesting. Creamy... milky. Almost custard in terms of flavor. From here it is sprinkled with a heaping portion of brown sugar and begins its descent into the finish.

The entire presence is laced with alcoholic flavor. That antiseptic dry presence lifting the layers from the possibility of becoming cloying or nauseating.

Finish is thickly caramel, tons of brown sugar, and layers of bitter alcohol memories.

M- Full bodied, thick, chunky, chewy, and gaseous all at once. It hits you hard and lingers all over the place with different flavors for each location. Want some custard? Try behind the molars. Want some raisin? I think I left some under the tongue. Perhaps a caramel chew or two? Soft palate middle ways back.

D- It surely has the alcohol punch to it. Can't go balls to the wall on this monster. Sip or be punched out. It could use with a bit more time mellowing out in terms of sweetness and alcohol. Perhaps it'll age even better. I like it. I'd like to have it again in the future.

Serving type: bottle

01-04-2011 07:55:22 | More by Khazadum
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 807 ratings.