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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 870
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 554
Gots: 203 | FT: 27
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of BeerFMAndy
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle poured into a Bruery tulip. 12.5 % ABV, 2009.

I was lucky enough to snag a bottle of this at Martha's Vineyard for $5.99 in Grand Rapids last year. Thanks to sweemzander for showing me around town!

A - The dark bronzed cherry mahogany color is tainted by a subtle cloudiness while the tall pour creates almost no head. A ring of tan foam still leaves lace though.

S - Sticky caramel malt sweetness battles dusty old basement throughout the aroma. Warm ethanol alcohol is fairly strong in the background. Faint hoppiness provides minuscule balance. A swirl dissolves toffee into candied plum while hints of raisin bread come into play. Complex and subtle.

T - A unique departure from the nose, Fourth Dementia is still strong with abundantly sweet caramel malt, candied plum, and raisin, topped by a mildly spicy, bitter touch of hops on the finish. Dry mocha reminds of the old basement once again. A little more pronounced and bold than the nose.

M - Warm alcohol doesn't affect the taste negatively and that goes for the mouthfeel also. Warm and soft, there is no burning, in fact, it's barely there altogether. Sweet all over with some mild dryness to the finish, the smooth, medium body is very nice.

D - Kuhnhenn does a fantastic job with alcohol involvement (or lack of) and it shows in this brew. No unpleasantness at all, this goes down very well, sip after sip. I wouldn't call it very drinkable, but as high ABV as this is, it's very nice.

BeerFMAndy, Feb 21, 2011
Photo of lou91
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottled 8-1-04. The bottle also read 11% ABV. This beer poured thick like deep red maple syrup. It left the thinnest whisper of a head that never went away. It smelled rich, sweet and malty with a hint of smoke/peat. This is old ale at its best. A small taste just lingers with a trifecta of hops, alcohol and rich maltiness in perfect balance. It is so good that it took me almost an hour and half to sip. You must let this one warm up to almost room temperature to get the full range and depth of flavors. Thanks to BuckeyeNation for this excellent brew.

lou91, Oct 04, 2005
Photo of metter98
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: The beer is dark red and poured with virtually no head.
S: Hints of cherries are present in the aroma.
T: The beer tastes strong with notes of cherry flavors and malty sweetness along with hints of alcohol.
M: It feels medium-bodied and very smooth on the palate with a light amount of carbonation.
O: This beer goes down very easily considering its strength.

metter98, Dec 17, 2011
Photo of SupaCelt
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

2010 bottling with perhaps an undercrimped silver cap that is somewhat odd in appearance.

The look is clear deep crimson with bubbles struggling to push their way to the surface through the thickness that engulfs them. A small head arose and paused for just a moment before crumbling into the 4th Dementia. Fingers of lace deliciously soil the glass.

The nose is sweet and crusty with dark fruit aspects of plumb and raisin with caramel and slightly singed brown sugar and scorched red tootsie pops not far underneath.

The flavor is rich with the dark fruit aspects that are evident in the nose. Faint black cherry and more pronounced plumb flavors ride atop a candy like sweetness that is trimmed every so perfectly with a little alcohol to squelch any cloying aspects and round out the palate. This is an absolute delight to drink. It remains enjoyable and never becomes a burden to endure even with all of its might.

The mouthfeel is heavy with a thickness that is artfully cut by alcohol to leave an excellent impression in the finish without becoming overwhelming.

Overall, this olde ale from the Kuhnhenn clan is miles better than anticipated by this reviewer. To expect greatness and have an experience that exceeds greatness is a wonderful thing. This is a very fine recipe, and despite the seating of the cap having a precarious look to it, the joy inside is fully intact and amazing. This is an olde ale that begs to be revisited.

SupaCelt, Apr 12, 2011
Photo of MarcatGSB
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

BIG props to friend BA abanton. Adam and I met at FoBab, and he sent me a box a week later with some goodies in it. Thanks man! 2010 Vintage, poured from bottle into Founder's Snifter (keep it in MI)

Appearance: Vigorous pour reveals a rather chestnut brown color with a beautiful 2 finger head, dissipating slowly, leaving some nice sticky looking lacing running down the glass.

Smell: The smell is awesome. The glass is brimming with aromas of vanilla, dark ripe fruit, caramel, and toffee. Big molasses and maple syrup with some bright cherry notes lingering in the background.

Taste: Wow, complex stuff. Really has alot going on. It's very sweet, with more of the molasses and caramel coming through...It's almost drying how sweet it is. Very malt foward, with that sweet malt providing alot of body, with some mild vanilla and smoke coming through.

Mouth: This is a sticky sweet ale. I'm not going to fault the beer for that, but it truly his a mouthful. True to style, minimal carbonation, sweet character.

Drink and overall: Definitely very drinkable for being such a high ABV. The alcohol is hidden well. It's extremely well crafted, and fairly well rounded. Probably the best Old Ale I have had in a very long time.

MarcatGSB, Dec 01, 2011
Photo of Dope
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

2011 bottle

A: Pours a murky dark, dark, dark brown/red. Small fizzy tan head despite aggressive pour; very low carbonation. Almost no lacing, just little specks here and there. Good head retention at least.

S: Very fruity. Loads of raisin, fig, prune, dates...and grape juice? Molasses and toffee too. Caramel, lots of it. Very sweet, almost cloyingly so. Smells similar to a JW Lees if I'm not mistaken.

T: Whoa. Smooth and heavy malts. Loads of caramel, brown sugar, toffee and molasses. LOADS of it. Less fruit here but raisin and fig is still apparent, especially towards the middle. There is a slight taste of alcohol briefly in the finish but it's surprisingly mellow given the low carbonation and high ABV. Finish is a little less sweet, toffee and marshmallow stand out here. Some fruits in the lingering aftertaste but much drier than the initial flavor. Still sweet, just not as much.

M: Heavy body, high ABV and low carbonation. It's thick and smooth but not nearly as cloying as I expected it to be. Surprisingly drinkable.

O: A serious old ale. A must-have for the malt lover with boatloads of maltiness and fruits. No sign of hops here. Above-average drinkability for the ABV, it's surprisingly mellow and smooth. Flavors are quite strong of course but not sharp and overpowering. Would love to get my hands on a barrel aged version of this.

Dope, Feb 28, 2013
Photo of JRhode
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle w/ jessethehutt courtesy of MiScusi. 2007 edition.

Burnt amber color with minimal head. Spotty lacing. Smells like vanilla custard, toffee, fig. Taste is more dark fruit, raisin, followed by sweet malt and pumpkin pie spices. Finishes with some alcohol bitterness. Creamy, mouth coating; medium to low carbonation. Alcohol bitterness knocks down mouthfeel a notch. Fairly drinkable for almost 12% abv.

JRhode, Aug 21, 2009
Photo of MasterSki
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Picked this up at Winter Solstice - must have got a an unusual bottle, as it dates from 2006 and claimed to be "Brewery Aged". Shared with Dave for NBS, and served in a Willimantic pint glass.

A - One finger of dark tan foam that dissipates fairly quickly with some spotty lacing. Transparent cherry-red brown color with a few bubbles lazily rising to the top. Pretty attractive for a small pour of a high-gravity aged old ale.

S - Rum-cake, booze, dark fruits, raisin, chocolate truffle, and some vinous notes. It actually seems a little boozier than the listed 9.5% - doesn't seem significantly lighter than 5th Dementia in any case. There's also something the smells a little woody - but I'm pretty sure this isn't barrel-aged.

T - Again - lots of the same flavors - raisin, caramel, chocolate truffle, booze - There's also an oak/smoke aftertaste that lends a slightly sour or bittering quality to the finish. I'm surprised that two years of brewery aging hasn't mellowed this out a little more. (I'm also relieved it isn't infected, like many older Kuhnhenn bottles.)

M - Lots of residual stickiness, smooth, creamy, full-bodied, with some nice warming alcohol heat.

D - I split a 12oz bottle with two other people - probably ended up with 5oz at most - and yet it seemed like the perfect serving size. It's just so rich and boozy. Definitely a slow sipper, and perfect as a dessert beer or a night cap.

MasterSki, May 25, 2009
Photo of barleywinefiend
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Poured a caramel color with a nice tan cap and some bubbles

S: Holy caramel, bourbon, figs, raisins and booze

T:Immediate caramel sweetness with some bourbon heat and a massive amount of residual sugar. Figs, riasins and tobacco are very prevelant in this beer, all the way through. Caramel, toffee and big sugar seem to be the key notes

M: Warm, sweet and boozey on the end. Medium to big body, well carbonated

O: Very nice but as sweet as this beer is a sure headache and sugar rush would follow on a single beer. Wow.

barleywinefiend, Jan 08, 2012
Photo of Derek
4.26/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

2012 Vintage.

I've had earlier (lighter) versions of this and never really cared for it. At the first Michigan Brewers Guild Winter Beer Fest I just thought it was harsh, same with other bottles.

This is better. It doesn't need to be 13.5%, but it is better.

A: Initial pour seems like it is almost still, very little carbonation. Deep, deep mahogany, a few tan bubbles surface and it shows a little leg.

S: Alcohol is apparent in the aroma, somewhat sherry-like. Plenty of raisins, figs, dates and hints of field berry.

T: Although it's stronger than early versions, it doesn't seem so. I thought they were plagued by tertiary/fusel alcohol, but not this one. Tons of dates, raisins, figs and dark caramel, hints of roasted nut and cocoa and some meaty melanoidins. Good bitterness, alcohol is certainly warming.

M: Mild carbonation really works, but I still find the residual sweetness a bit much.

O: I still think this is over-rated, but it is a good brew.

Derek, Apr 18, 2013
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4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

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4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

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4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

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4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

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Photo of russpowell
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Got this from Biergartenok, cheers Freddie!

2010 version pours a brownish-mahogany with a pinky of brown.cocoa head. Above average head retention & lacing

S: Sherry, dark fruit & a touch of Bourbon

T: Figs, black currant, dryness, a touch of charred grain up front. Boozey figs as this warms, a touch of cherry & raisin as well, plus plenty of oaky dryness & kist a touch of woody & herbal hops & some toffee notes. Finishes dry, woody, herbal witm much figgyness, a touch of prunes that doesn't help the flavor, some cherry=flovred pipe tobacco & marmalaide

MF: Chewy with minimal carbonation, skews fruitty/malty, warming

This baby screams English flavor, hops are very subtle. This is a nice fire-side ssipper, would love to try a fresh bottle for comparrison, but this is tasty enough as it is

russpowell, Mar 02, 2012
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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 870 ratings.