Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Reviews: 446
Hads: 987
rAvg: 4.24
pDev: 6.37%
Wants: 592
Gots: 216 | FT: 23
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Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Photo of -Rick
4.6/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Got in a trade
L: brown, with a redish hue
S: sweet caramel, fig, vanilla
T: like the nose, sweet caramel, chocolate, and vanilla
F: creamy
O: this beer is amazing, a must try (175 characters)

Photo of Rutager
4.21/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

2012 bottle courtesy or Buschbeer. Cheers dude!

Pours a deep rusty brown with a thin khaki head. Plums and caramel on the nose, a touch of port, and a little alcohol. Tons of raisins sprinkled with brown sugar on the tongue. Toffee for sure, maybe a bit burnt, more dark fruit, a touch of warm booze. This is fantastic. Thanks again, Buschbeer. (345 characters)

Photo of Beersmuggler
1.5/5  rDev -64.6%
look: 1.5 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 1.5

I am not sure if my bottle was infected but oh my god this was awful. Didn't live upto the hype at all. I like some of kuhnhenns other brews but this is not one for sure. (171 characters)

Photo of JohnnyHopps
4.6/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Appearance - The beer was a murky brown color.

Smell - The nose was sticky sweet with malt impressions.

Taste - The initial impression was for sweet malts. Sweet and syrupy malt are prominent. Maraschino cherries, fruit cocktail, and a hint of baker 's chocolate were in the background. The aftertaste is dry like a green apple but maintains the sweetness.

Mouthfeel - With low carbonation, the impression is almost sticky.

Overall - This is phenominal. (461 characters)

Photo of GreesyFizeek
4.73/5  rDev +11.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.75

Bottle received in a recent trade with mikeyson4, thanks man. '13 vintage.

This one pours a deep brown, with basically no head or lacing.

This smells just decadent, intense and incredible- there's super sweet raisin puree, a port-like vinous note, chocolate, caramel, and toffee, and just the slightest hint of booze.

The best way to describe the flavor of this one is intense. There's really quite a lot going on here. The strongest flavor is dark fruit, with a really big Belgian-like raisin character. It almost tastes port-barrel aged or something like that, as there's a definite mild tart wine-like character. There's a really nice baker's chocolate aspect as well, as well as sarsaparilla, caramel, and toffee. The 1.5 year bottle here has aged very nicely, the booze character is very mild, and is mainly just warming. There's some cherry and sherry character as well, maybe from slight oxidation, or maybe it's intended. Doesn't really matter, this is delicious.

This has a very syrupy and slightly sugary mouthfeel. It's still very drinkable though, and not at all cloying. The carbonation level is pretty low.

Another amazing big beer from the guys at Kuhnhenn- they know how to do it right. (1,207 characters)

Photo of notchucknorris
4.5/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2012 Bottle

A: Pours a sludgy, deep brown color with a huge (for the ABV) two finger tan head that shows great retention.

S: I'm getting a lot of the smells that I'm used to in an Old Ale (thick brown sugar, date, prune, rye bread and honey notes), but everything seems really tightly pulled together in this one, which is really hard to find. Everything in here seems a touch more toned down, but works together really well.

T: I mean, I'm not gonna lie, this is not a style I typically enjoy. But wow this is good. A huge note of brandy and honey soaked raisins right away, followed by some burnt brownie, dark chocolate covered raisin, a little bit of tobacco and some rye bread. Finishes sweet and malty with a slight dryness from the alcohol. Mouthfeel is near perfect. Slick but well carbed, which hides the alcohol ridiculously well. Top notch. (856 characters)

Photo of pjkelley82
4.56/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

Poured from the bottle into a Kuhnhenn mini snifter... 2013 vintage.

A-lackluster, transparent leather brown in color that gave off a quick 1/4 mocha colored head that was soda like and disappeared just as fast. No ring or skin left but legs for days, very sparse lacing. It's ABV is showing through.

S-ummmm, yeah... The flavors are super strong in the nose. A very powerful and full smell of Brown sugar, sugared dates, caramel, toffee, slight alcohol smell to it but it tells you this drink is not playing around.

T- Taste follows the nose with much emphasis placed on very bold and full tasting. I cannot think of a beer that better describes flavorful or taste explosion. Nice vanilla taste to mellow things out and the alcohol is noticeable but dangerously tolerable.

F-I would say medium to full bodied but feels alot heavier while not becoming sticky or cloying. Not much carb to it, but most of it goes dancing around in the alcohol.

O-Kuhnhenn is my Favorite brewery so I am biased but I could have a blind tasting with 20 different old ales and this would guarantee be top three if not 1. Definitely the best old ale I've had. (1,150 characters)

Photo of MDDMD
4.35/5  rDev +2.6%

A-brown burgundy color with a nice tan head and good lacing

S-brown sugar, toffee, dark fruit, vanilla, malt

T-caramel malt, toffee, vanilla, figs, plums, dates, light chocolate, little nutty

F-medium body with moderate carbonation, smooth and a little alcohol comes through

O-delicious ale, great dessert beer, love sipping this (334 characters)

Photo of blankenhoney
4.58/5  rDev +8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

Enjoyed this one at Kuhnhenn's on Mead Day '14.

A: Pours a dark and cloudy shade of burnt mahogany. Looks great.

S: Sweet, rich, and deep: 4D has aromas of brown sugar, caramel, and toffee. Lots of vanilla, too. Smells a lot like a barrel-aged barleywine.

T: The flavors here are rich and sweet, with lots of toffee, apricots, molasses, and vanilla. But the beer isn't cloying at all; in fact, it's highly crushable, partly because of a bright fruitiness on the finish that lightens the load and makes things interesting. About as good as it gets…can only imagine how good the barrel-aged edition is.

M: Nice balance between creaminess and viscousness.

O: Amazeballs…could drink this one all day. Aside from appearances, reminds me a lot of Bourbon County Barleywine. God bless Warren, MI. (798 characters)

Photo of Beejay
4.36/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Huge thanks to RocPorterFanatic for this brew.

A: Very dark brown in color, slightly hazy, and a quaint tan head on the top.

S: Intense malt, and a good amount of sweetness. Molasses, caramel, brown sugar and perhaps a hint of dark chocolate or licorice.

T: Sweet, with brown sugar, caramel, and dark fruits. There is a hint of bread, as well as an almost orange zest like flavor in the finish, you can't taste the alcohol as much as you can feel it. Very nice.

M: Medium heavy, carbonation is low, and there is a stickiness to it, that I think works in the finish. If anything it feels slightly lighter than I would have thought.

O: Overall a hell of a malt bomb to round out your day with. Delicious, smooth, and dangerous. (735 characters)

Photo of rlee1390
4/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A-Clear ruby amber, not much carbonation one finger off white head

S-Malt heavy, caramel, dark fruits and raisins.

T-Very sweet with caramel and molasses, lots of dark fruits. Balance is slightly off

M-Medium to heavy not much carbonation

O-Was expecting a lot better, glad I was able to try it but was not my cup of tea. (329 characters)

Photo of ThickNStout
4.6/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle from IAmJacksHopTongue (much apprecitaed!). 2013 bottling. Served in a Bruery snifter.

Pours an opaque chestnut with a minimal cap of pale head. Trace bubbles remain around the edges without leaving any lace to speak of.

Smells akin to a nice port. Dark fruit, caramel, toast and a faine wine-like alcohol note. Nice.

Taste follows the nose. Raisin, fig, caramel, burnt brown sugar, tawny port, toasted marshmallow, earthy vanilla and a little booze. A splendid ensemble of old ale flavors that goes down dangerously easily for it's 13.5% abv.

Body is medium heavy and syrupy with light carbonation. A pleasant port, caramel and toasted marshmallow finish.

This is an outstanding old ale. Such richness and complexity set it well above most other examples of the style that I've encountered. This is a beer worth hoarding to enjoy over many years. Very highly recommended. (894 characters)

Photo of Stevedore
4.24/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

12oz bottle of the 2013 Winter Solstice release; poured into a Hill Farmstead stemmed glass alongside the 2013 Bourbon-barrel aged version in a separate glass, today, 1/15/2014.

Pours a fairly standard dark brown body with a fluffy tan head that dissipates fairly quickly. Looks like a barleywine, really. Nothing out of the ordinary. Lacing is non-existent.

Smells very sweet- lots of caramel, toffee and dark fruits- even more interesting than BB4D which is a beer where the barrel vanilla dominates so much- and is even a little more complex. Still, I am missing the vanilla even though I enjoy the complexity and intensity of this beer.

Flavourwise, very sweet- lots of toffee, butterscotch and molasses, which isn't cut by the oak and vanilla of the BB4D which kind of takes away from my experience with this beer. Still complex with a lot going on; I can see why some people prefer this to BB4D. I'm not one of these people, however.

Medium to full bodied, well carbonated and slick. Not terribly difficult to drink. Aftertaste is mostly a dark fruity butterscotch flavour; different than the BB4D.

BB4D is definitely a better choice than regular 4D; given it was only a dollar more, I wouldn't bother with 4D; but 4D is a great beer in its own right so if you have the option to get it alongside BB4D, I would definitely recommend taking it. I can see why some people prefer the 4D to the BB4D. (1,406 characters)

Photo of StoutHunter
4.35/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

I got a bottle of Kuhnhenn's Fourth Dementia 4D as an awesome birthday present from my friend Ben. I'm a big Kuhnhenn fan but since they are still a pretty small operation I only see their beers at Beer Festivals or at some of the better bars and I don't get a chance to try their beers as much as I would like to, but I've been wanting to try 4D ever since I first found out about Kuhnhenn, so lets see how it goes. 2013 Vintage, 13.5%. Poured from a brown 12oz bottle into a snifter.

A= The label looks pretty nice, it's just got a fancy and classy look to it with some shiny gold 4D on the label, it's the best Kuhnhenn label I've seen since most of them look like they printed on a standard computers printer. It poured a pretty cloudy and murky brown color that didn't let much light through and it looked even murkier when held to the light with a half of fingers worth of tan/off white head that quickly faded away to nothing and it left a really small amount of spotty lacing behind. This isn't the greatest looking beer, just by looking at it in the glass it isn't that attractive, but it's not so bad looking I wouldn't give it a try, I don't think any beer can look that bad.

S- The aroma starts off with a higher amount of sweetness that had a slight molasses aroma to it followed by loads of malts being the first to show up and they impart some great caramel and toffee aromas with a pretty good amount of dark fruits showing up next with no single fruit seeming to stick out the most. Up next comes a sweet and noticeable boozy aroma followed by a little bit of roasted malts on the finish that give this beer a rich, lightly roasted and light chocolate like aroma and there's also a light leather like aroma. This beer has a very nice aroma, I think it's fairly complex and I thought the different aspects worked well with each other.

T- The taste seems to be pretty similar to the aroma and it starts off with a higher amount of sweetness which seems to be on the lower side, it's not cloying and imparts a slight molasses like flavor followed by some great caramel and toffee flavors with an equal amount of dark fruits that show up also with no single fruit seeming to stick out the most. Up next comes a slight leather flavor with a pretty light alcohol flavor that is very well hidden and it's not nearly as boozy as I thought it would be. Towards the end comes a light tobacco like flavor with some roasted malts showing up at the end with a light chocolate flavor and a lower amount of bitterness with a caramel, toffee, dark fruit, and light roasted malt aftertaste. This was a very good tasting beer that was pretty complex with some expertly hidden alcohol.

M- Fairly smooth, a little sticky, pretty rich, a little creamy, full bodied with a lower amount of carbonation that worked nicely with this beer. This beer had a very good mouthfeel that was pretty much perfect for this beer.

Overall I thought this was very good beer and very good example of an Old Ale, Bell's Third Coast Old Ale was my favorite Old Ale, but I have to say after trying this I think 4D blows it out of the water, not that Third Coast Old Ale isn't great, 4D is just pretty much better in every aspect besides price and it's just a more intense and complex version of Old Ale that is just as smooth, maybe even smoother than Third Coast Old Ale which blows my mind. This beer had great drinkability, the 13.5 wasn't nearly as noticeable as I thought it would be, it was fairly smooth, complex, rich, a little sticky, pretty filling, and the taste did a great job at holding my attention, I think one bottle would be the perfect amount for me and if I had the chance I would could probably drink two, but I'm sure i would be feeling it in the morning. What I liked the most about this beer was how well the alcohol was hidden, it seriously blew my mind that a 13.5% Old Ale could be this smooth, I'm very impressed by that and I thought the taste was awesome. What I liked the least about this beer was the appearance, it just isn't a good looking, which overall isn't that big of a deal and I learned a while ago to never judge a beer on it's looks. I would for sure buy this beer if I ever saw it for sale, it's pretty pricey but I think it's worth it and it makes for a nice beer for a special occasions. I would highly recommend this beer to anyone who likes Old Ales or big beers in general, I don't think this will disappoint. All in all I was pretty impressed with this beer, I expected good things from this beer but all together it exceeded my expectations and I think it's an overall great beer and I would love to try the barrel aged version of this one day and I'm pretty sure this would be a great beer to cellar and I think it could get even better with time. Great work guys, I think the Kuhnhenns are simply the best at what they do and this is a world class beer, keep up the great work guys. (4,916 characters)

Photo of Jeffo
4.17/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 1.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

My dad picked this up for me while in MI a while back. Thanks pops!

From a bottle into a snifter

APPEARANCE: A muddy, opaque brown pour is actually kind of gross looking. A slight wisp with lousy retention vanishes over a muddy brown body with no real carbonation. Kinda ugly and looks basically flat by the end.

SMELL: Bold nose with lots of toffee, caramel, dark fruits, leather aromas and a good dose of alcohol. Dark chocolate comes out as it warms as well. Really nice.

TASTE: Toffee and leather up front with lots of caramel and sweet dark fruits at the swallow. Bold and lingering finish is very sweet with some bitter chocolate, leather and tobacco flavors acting as balance to the sweet toffee and fruit flavors. Some spicy alcohol provide a nice base as well. Very nice, and not nearly as boozy as expected.

PALATE: Medium-full body with medium levels of carbonation, surprisingly enough. Semi-creamy on the palate, goes down with a bit of a scratch and finishes rather sticky. Solid feel.

OVERALL: Excellent stuff! The look was awful, but the rest of the experience was top notch. Lots of complex and bold aromas and flavors with a hefty feel to support it all. Definitely something worth checking out if you get the chance. Thanks again dad. Recommended. (1,277 characters)

Photo of mmapes
3.89/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Big thanks to Andrew for the trade. We opened a 2012 vintage.

Pours cloudy, murky brown. Smells of whiskey, carmel. Smells sweet - very sweet, some molasses.

First impression: sweet! Lingering finish has an herbal quality. Medicinal? Very hot. Probably needs to warm up before we can say more definitively what the taste will be.

Later sips: the herbal component stays in the back. The sweetness stays forward. Probably less balanced and interesting than my favorite Old Stock, but pretty good. Up my alley.

Nice thick mouthfeel coats the tongue. (550 characters)

Photo of dar482
4.04/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

The beer comes in a dark brown with a bit of a head.

The aroma has sweet caramel, toffee, toasty malt, lots of deep brown sweetness along with some umami in the end.

The flavor follows again with lots of toffee and brown sugar. Toasty malt. Tons of umami and molasses as well. The beer is extremely sweet, to its failure.

The mouthfeel is quite creamy on the medium to heavy mouthfeel. (388 characters)

Photo of CaptCleveland
4.52/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle from 2011, poured into snifter.

Ruby-black, nearly opaque, elixir, thin tan rim, no lacing.

Incredible aroma of toffee, caramel, dark fruits, hint of malt sweetness.

Starts with fig, prune, dark fruits, some sweet caramel at the back end, then a nice smooth sugar, plum aftertaste. Delightful.

Thick, full body, but smooth with the feel of a nicely aged dark fruit shake.

One of the best non-BA old ales I have had the pleasure to consume. A wonderful sipper on nice fall evening. Well done. (508 characters)

Photo of TerryW
2.51/5  rDev -40.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

Sorry, but I'm not understanding the raves here. I guess I just simply don't appreciate the style. If I had to briefly sum up I'd have to call this boozy liquid black licorice. Quite extreme in its approach.

However, does look quite good. Dark walnut under a moderate head that settles to a heavy film and provides lots of spotty lace.

Nose is immediately sweet and heavy with dark fruit, treacle, alcohol. Smells syrupy.

Pow! Sugar, sugar, sugar to taste. Lots of other stuff there - dark fruit, licorice, charcoal - but just so aggressively sweet as to be unbearable. Alcohol is noticeably present making this a warming drink and bearable from that perspective at least. Full and sticky mouth feel.

Too out there for my palate, just far too syrupy. Stupid sweet. Ick. (773 characters)

Photo of MusicaleMike
4.42/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a balloon glass. The body is a deep, dark mahogany, verging on opaque. The head is a pillowy, two finger thick, tan foam that has excellent retention. Tiny bubbles. Very lasting, which is surprising for a beer that has such a high alcohol content. Some lacing.

Ripe pineapple is the first thing that came to mind in the aroma. It has a rich, malty sweetness, but a certain tartness/acidity in the aroma which I find desirable in an olde ale. Sherry-like. As it warms, notes of fig emerge.

Taste is bold, explosive. Alcohol and rich caramel malts intertwine, with a balancing bitterness and sweet, vinous finish. Carbonation is excellent and absolutely perfect for helping to lighten the body of this massive beer. Full bodied. Sticky. Nutty, toffee-like aftertaste.

This is a great olde ale. With a perfect appearance, and an excellent aroma, with an equally complex flavor, and active carbonation that serves this beer well, it may be the best in the style I've ever had. Would love to see what additional aging could bring to this beer. (1,053 characters)

Photo of sleuthdog
4.29/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

2011 vintage into Kuhnhenn snifter

Pour: Copper brown with ruby highlights. Head tried to form but ultimately failed.

Smell: Dark fruits, (figs, dates, raisins), toffee, caramel and brown sugar...just a big sweet forward beer. This regular version is much fruitier than the BB version and does not have a note of alcohol at all.

Taste: Dark fruits up first. Huge taste of figs, raisins, plums and dates that seem to be covered with caramelized brown sugar. Again very sweet and toffee like with a slight alcohol burn. I find this regular 4D to have a tart taste in the back end and through the finish. A very nice warming sensation from this one.

Mouthfeel: Thick and viscous. Covers all areas of the palate with sticky sweetness. The sweetness is even found on the lips after sipping. Light carbonation.

Overall: Not as mind blowing as the BB4D was to me but wow is this beer put together to perfection. This is like a spirit sipper for sure. Sweet, complex and decadent!

Thanks Ryan, rpbuckeye! (1,004 characters)

Photo of joemcgrath27
4.35/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

big ups to andrenaline for including this in our last trade
A - swampy brown, thin layer of consistent head, left nicely consistent lacing
S - raisins, molasses, light hints of pears and herbs, not even a tickle of the high octane
T - juicy rasins and plumbs, molasses and butter, sticky sweet to the last drop with just a faint hint of alcohol in the late finish
M - thick and sticky sweet, you would never guess its a 13.5% behemoth, just a little warmth in the chest
O - this is just unbelievable, sweet and delicious and drinkable to the point of being very dangerous, i would love to get my hands on another (612 characters)

Photo of BGDrock
4.76/5  rDev +12.3%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.75

Appearance: no head (might be the glass though), foggy dark brown like an americano

Aroma: fascinating, mystifying - raisin, prune, rich complex port; just beautiful!; perfume - slightly floral, over-ripe fruit like apple that's gone brown and rinkled (in a good way)

Taste & Mouthfeel: thick and oily; burnt caramel of the deepest kind, vanilla - like a more intense creme brulee; just a hint of burn in the finish - which goes on for days with simmered dark fruit flavour; hints of coffee bitterness; over time the alcohol becomes more prominent, as well as chocolate, coffee, burnt flavours, but still masterfully balanced with fruit and caramel

Overall: love when a beer has a undefinable, complex flavour that keeps you coming back for more, trying to reason what makes it so good - this is that and more; a must have and probably great aged a few years (862 characters)

Photo of GonzoHomebrewer
4.35/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

2011, poured into a KtG tulip

A- viscous ruby/mahogany/dark brown pour with a hint of a head that dissipates quickly into a ring around the class. inviting

S- toffee, fig, dark fruit, maybe some graham cracker? I dunno, there's a lot going on, smells sweet and decadent

T- Somehow even richer on the palette. toffee, burnt marshmallow, brown sugar, decadent.

M- thick, almost cloyingly syrupy, could use some more carb to be just a touch less sticky, great nonetheless and goes with the decadent vibe of the brew

O- if this wasn't so sticky, I'd say I could drink this anytime, but I'm wishing I had saved it for a cold winter rather than a cooler summer eve. Decadent brew that is worth seeking out (704 characters)

Photo of SerialTicker
4.23/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Had on tap at the Kuhnhenn Brewery as part of a paddle. '11 Vintage.

Appearance: Somewhat like the BB4D, but with a more reddish hue, and -- surprisingly -- a somewhat smaller head. Given the ABV, this is actually a great looking beer. There's even a little bit of lacing, too.

Smell: Sweet. The BB4D has a chocolate note, and I suppose this has a trace of it as well, but it's less pronounced. This regular 4D has a fruitier aroma, and there's no alcohol in that aroma at all.

Taste: Like the smell, sweet... cherry sort of aromas here, with plenty of malt. There's a decent bitterness in there so it's not all fruity sweetness, but it's definitely a sweeter brew. Dark fruits and malts own this beer. A bit of warmth on the swallow lets you know that this is a high ABV beer, but it doesn't come through in the taste. I like the aroma on this one a bit more than the BB4D version.

I'm no doubt in the minority, but I prefer this one to the bourbon barrel version. It's not by a huge margin, but it's still there. The bourbon barrel may mellow the beer out a tad, but it also takes away notes that this '11 4D had... and that I really enjoyed. This 4D had an inexplicable certain "bite" in the flavor (and I don't mean alcohol) that really intrigued me. This is an excellent beer that must be tried if it can be found. (1,323 characters)

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
94 out of 100 based on 446 ratings.