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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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848 Ratings
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Ratings: 848
Reviews: 437
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 551
Gots: 197 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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PatronWizard

California

3.2/5  rDev -25.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Killer extra from Egledhill. Contents are suspicious though. Label is a little faded and looks as though it could have come from a laser printer. Plus there is a home wax job on the cap. I wouldn't put it past that cheap-shot taking sonofabitch to send me a repack. I can't pass on the opportunity to try this, so here goes.

Nice little psss when I popped the cap, so if it is a repack, it's a nice job. Appears to be a deep shade of blood. Dark with slight ruby highlights. Small off-white head quickly settles to a thin film. Nice off-white head of bigger proportions results from the second pour. Quickly settles to a thin film again.

I smell some caramel and maybe dark cherries. Some kind of a darker type fruit that I'm not familiar with also. Smells pretty decent.

Tastes completely different. It's cold but it tastes warm. Big taste of what I want to call pomegranite. Unique bitterness at the end. Again I claim pomegranite although it may be something similar. Is there any thing similar to pomegranite?

How should I put this? I don't like it about sums it up.

Really happy to try it, but I won't be needing another. Gee Erik, thanks PAL. With friends like you, who needs enemas?

Overall: one timer

Serving type: bottle

12-10-2008 19:47:24 | More by PatronWizard
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maximum12

Minnesota

3.23/5  rDev -24.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Thanks to HopHobo for sending me this brew that I've been on the lookout for. My first experience with this brewery.

2006 vintage & dammit, I like the label! Looks like it was slapped on by a kid who left his coke-bottle glasses at home then accidentally dropped it in a bucket of water. Still cool.

Pour. The aroma is intensely alcoholic, I wanted some tongs to carry it from the kitchen to the computer. What is this beer going to do to me? And on a weeknight, at that? Once you get past the alcohol sting, it's sweet & earthy.

The taste suffers from a mustiness that I'm not grooving on, where the dark fruits turn into fruits that have bit of dust & dirt on them. Otherwise, after reading some of the other reviews, I'm a bit surprised at the lack of depth. I'm not getting much off of this, even not much alcohol, despite the nose.

Not bad, but definitely not the beer I was expecting. I wouldn't seek it out again, but would try a younger version if one every falls into my lap.

Serving type: bottle

01-28-2009 03:03:37 | More by maximum12
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beerhunter13

Ontario (Canada)

3.25/5  rDev -24.1%

08-06-2013 22:27:43 | More by beerhunter13
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russwbeck

Virginia

3.25/5  rDev -24.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 3

2010 Vintage

A: Pours out of the bottle a hazy brown, and sits in my glass deep brown, almost glowing, with a finger or so of light brown head. A decent amount of head remains after a while, and lacing sticks to the glass in spots. A nice amount of bubbles are noted through the muck, gathering happily beneath the head.

S: The aroma of 4D is really nice. Deep caramel and roasted malts, dark fruits, and molasses contribute to a sweet yet mellowed aroma. Some booze is noted, but not enough for me to garner it's 13.5% ABV.

T: The taste isn't quite as nice. The caramel malts and dark fruits are present as is the booze, but amazingly the taste just drops off into nowhere. The booze is offensive, but the sweetness curbs it quickly and leaves not much on the palate after the beer is gone. It's very one dimensional and just not all that impressive.

MF: I can't believe I'm going to say this, but 4D seemed to be too thin. Also, the booze is too offensive and the carbonation too low. Not much of a finish.

O: I was ready for this to be a huge beer, and it just wasn't. The ABV, I believe, was too high and took away from the Old Ale characteristics. Loved the aroma, wish the taste and feel was better.

Serving type: bottle

03-24-2012 01:32:46 | More by russwbeck
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MuddyFeet

North Carolina

3.3/5  rDev -22.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

This beer is so lifeless it reminds me of death and graveyards. Absolutely flat but it does not really take away from the appearance or mouthfeel. Brown with a bit of red in that there glass. No head, no bubbles. Could not get much from the nose even though I dug my nose way down in the glass.

Nice and sweet with lots of raisins going on. Malts are very mellow and earthy. Alcohol comes out at the end a bit--but not overly. Honestly, this beer is a bit one dimensional and kind of drab. Kind of like when you realize after the paint has dried that you picked out the wrong color for the walls. Fine and drinkable but just kind of boring and uninteresting.

Serving type: bottle

12-18-2005 02:55:33 | More by MuddyFeet
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bobsy

Ontario (Canada)

3.3/5  rDev -22.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Eric's bottle from Eric. Cheers, Eric!

Pleasing appearance, as the liquid reveals itself to be a deep and luxurious mahogany with a large tan head which gradually fades, leaving clumps of foam floating in the glass. No lace though. Malt heavy aroma of caramel and sweet dark fruit. The flavour is decent, but too sugar heavy to advance beyond that. Lots of rich dark fruit (particularly raisin), and sweet malt by the bucketload. Caramel and toasty brown sugar. Just way too much sweetness, and it becomes cloying after a while. The alcohol, on the other hand, is hardly noticable. Heavy sweet and sticky mouthfeel just adds to the cloying feeling.

I'm glad to try this, but its not of the same caliber as a Thomas Hardy's or Old Stock. The sweetness is just way out of line and torpedoes some of the finer flavours lurking underneath. Perhaps time would fix this one?

Serving type: bottle

09-14-2009 02:58:24 | More by bobsy
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brystmar

Texas

3.35/5  rDev -21.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

2011 vintage, shared 3 ways.

Deep brown pour, super viscous, zero head. Looks like motor oil. Gives off the unmistakeably dark scent of black licorice. Also tobacco, burnt malts, booze.

Dark, burnt taste. Tons of licorice. Mild notes of ashtrays. Hints of sweet malts in there, but get quickly shushed by everything else around them. Thick, viscous body. Flavor balance here isn't particularly appealing to me, though, and I'm unconvinced that age would help in this regard.

A deeper, darker take on the Old Ale style. Glad I tried it but won't seek this out again.

Serving type: bottle

04-06-2012 04:37:04 | More by brystmar
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homebrew311

Illinois

3.38/5  rDev -21%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: appearance is a purpleish red, decent amount of clarity, no head, no lacing

S: bold waves of molasses, licorice, maple, and oak. This is a definite malt bomb. Notes of fruit come through, mainly raisins.

T: just like the nose suggested, this one is all about that malts. This one is skewed way towards the sweet side and features bits of earthiness and pepper, not seeming very balanced and the ABV is very present of the finish.

MF: thick body, a bit syrupy, light carbonation

O: well this beer definitely doesn't lack flavor, perhaps my palate just isn't prepared for the overload of sweet malts that this one delivered... I found it to be too sweet.

Serving type: bottle

09-21-2011 06:12:22 | More by homebrew311
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jegross2

Illinois

3.45/5  rDev -19.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Reviewing the Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company out of Michigan.
Score: 84

2011 vintage bottle served in a stemmed Hill Farmstead snifter glass and enjoyed on 05/20/12. Review is from notes.

Appearance: Pours a deep caramel color; almost like black mud. A thin layer of creamy dark khaki head settles to a thin foggy film. Poor lacing, with good retention/cling. 3.5/5

Smell: Primarily musty caramel malt with complementary notes of toffee and marshmallows. Swirling the beer reveals a little fig and brown sugar in the aroma. Modest booziness. The aroma is a bit harsh and caramel forward, but swirling before smelling seems to balance it out and make it more appealing. 3.75/5

Taste: Like the aroma, the palate is dominated by a musty and malty caramel flavor. The finish is toffee-ish. Just tons of boozy caramel/toffee/brown sugar malt here. Some fig flavor on the side of the tongue. Decent booziness to boot. 3.5/5

Mouthfeel: I am not sure if this is a bottling issue or how the beer was intended to be made, but my 4D is absolutely flat and lifeless. There is quite literally no carbonation here. Medium bodied. Super malty and just a little sugary. Syrupy-like mouthfeel. 3/5

Overall: Not a bad beer, but this brew is a far from balanced, slightly boozy sipper. I am not a fan of overly malty beers, so maybe, like Mother Of All Storms and Y2K, this just isn't my type beer. Personally, I do not understand the hype behind this one.

Recommendation: Worth trying at some point in your craft beer journey, if only to say that you've had it, but this beer is not worth seeking out unless you like boozy malt bombs (beers like Mother Of All Storms).

Pairings: Packets of Laughing Cow creamy Swiss cheese.

Cost: $8 for a 12 oz bottle.

Serving type: bottle

05-24-2012 05:14:59 | More by jegross2
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semibaked

Kentucky

3.45/5  rDev -19.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

Poured from a bottle to a tulip glass.

A - Pours a very dark brown with some ruby highlights, next to no carbonation bubbles, some head but goes away quickly.

S - Nice smell of raisins, tons of malt and syrupy sweetness.

T - Wow, very very sweet, kinda like alcoholic raisin syrup. I like it but a little goes a long way.

M - The consistency of syrup (spotting a trend here? :)

D - This may be too much sweetness for me, hard to get down more than a few ounces.

Glad to try it though.

Serving type: bottle

02-18-2010 23:44:30 | More by semibaked
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CanuckRover

Ontario (Canada)

3.48/5  rDev -18.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.25

Deep brown. Surprisingly nice head for the style, a couple fingers. Settles to a respectable film.

Big dark fruit on the nose, nice undercurrent of toffee and a bit of chocolate.

Holy sweetness. A little bit of odd, but kind of welcome, tartness to start things off, but then it's just a rush of sweet sweet fruit. There are some chocolate flavours that I really like and the slight alcohol heat near the finish is really nice, but it really needs a touch more zing to balance things out.

Mouthfeel on the other hand is just terrific. Full bodied with perfect amount of carbonation, an area where many old ales fall flat on their faces.

Some will (and obviously do) enjoy this, but too sweet for my tastes.

Serving type: bottle

05-14-2013 02:16:50 | More by CanuckRover
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tayner

Arizona

3.48/5  rDev -18.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

this is my 100th beer review although i have tried many more than that! i think this one will give me my mug too..

anyway, It pours a deep brown with red highlights when back lit. small head that turned into a small ring that stayed around and laced some, not bad for a beer of 9.5%.

Smell was of a medicinal cherry flavor, one that is not too pleasing to me as well as a woody, earthy flavor. was this a barrel beer?

taste was sweet and sugary with alot of dark cherry, dark fig, and grapes.

It was thick and coating, not much hops to speak of to dry the palate. warming alcohol on the way down, and after the swallow.

I could barely finish this one with the vineous grape and cherry flavors. i wont seek this one out again, just not my thing, but very complex.

Serving type: bottle

01-29-2008 19:11:56 | More by tayner
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RBassSFHOPit2ME

California

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

03-11-2014 01:06:25 | More by RBassSFHOPit2ME
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fishmich

Michigan

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

07-17-2013 22:46:13 | More by fishmich
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IdrinkGas

Pennsylvania

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

03-20-2013 16:37:12 | More by IdrinkGas
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cbutova

Massachusetts

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz 2010 vintage shared by Chico1985.

A- Red brown ale with a small silky white head. It forms and dies out fairly quickly. Spotty lace on the glass from a cloud and ring atop the beer.

S- Big caramel dark fruit with a tiny stale feel. Raisins, spice, brown sugar, toasted nuts and slight buttery notes also come to mind.

T- Fruit forward old ale with a nice caramel backdrop. Raisin, molasses and brown sugar as well.

MF- Lower end carbonation with a moderately thick and oily feel. Some alcohol warmth.

Very well hidden 13% ABV but the overall feel and flavor didn't really do it for me. Kind of light feel for the style.

Serving type: bottle

07-31-2011 20:10:52 | More by cbutova
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pisano

Massachusetts

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

12-29-2013 17:32:15 | More by pisano
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ygtbsm94

Virginia

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

11-19-2011 21:52:49 | More by ygtbsm94
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krl2112

Illinois

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

03-21-2013 00:15:24 | More by krl2112
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pokgye

California

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

04-12-2013 18:28:16 | More by pokgye
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dfillius

Michigan

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

11-26-2013 05:06:10 | More by dfillius
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FullObs

Illinois

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

04-02-2013 21:07:14 | More by FullObs
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BDeibs

Colorado

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

10-05-2013 03:59:06 | More by BDeibs
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akttr

Michigan

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

01-13-2012 04:53:12 | More by akttr
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PhineasGage

Iowa

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

06-12-2012 13:21:13 | More by PhineasGage
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 848 ratings.