Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)

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Ratings: 975
Reviews: 447
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 589
Gots: 216 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Photo of Treebs
4.62/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Split a 12 oz. bottle at Hopcat with fellow BA danielnovak3. Poured into a tulip. 2011 bottle.

A: Pours a very dark ruby with small light khaki head the subsides quickly.

S: Nice dark fruits, caramel, and a little leather. There is faint cherry sweetness in the background.

T: The flavors going on in the taste are incredible. Leather, caramel and tobacco blend together with figs and plums to really create some amazing flavor. Very little alcohol is present and there is no heat. There is a slight sweetness on the finish that really blends it all together.

M: Creamy and coatable. Between heavy and medium on the feel with a nice subtle carbonation. A dark fruit taste is left on the palate.

O: This is what an old ale should taste like. So well balanced and the all the flavors that came through on the taste were awesome. Now I must find the BB4D.

Photo of kmpitz2
4.62/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Thanks to Eyedrinkale.

It pours a nice ruby-laced dark brown color with a small head that falls to nicely ring the top of the beer. Nice color. The nose is spicey alcohol-soaked raisins coated in brown sugar. The spicey alcohol really plays well in there. Smells really nice. The flavor is very nice and balanced. I get a deeper flavor than the nose suggested. Dark brown sugar and raisin, with just a puff of alcohol and spices. The alcohol is only slightly present to let you know that it is there. I'm a fan of how everything plays well with each other flavor. The feel is great, with a very thick, almost syrupy feel. It coats my mouth and throat as I swallow the beer. The carbonation is minimal. Drinkability is huge. I am very imressed with this brew. It is very smooth and easily drinking. A fine, fine beer. Seek it, drink it, love it.

Photo of tectactoe
4.63/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.5

Had this quite a few times at Kuhnhenn, but I finally decided to crack some of my 2011 bottles, and this review will be based off of that. Fourth Dementia pours soft, rich, and thick, almost like warm maple syrup out of the bottle. It's a very deep and dark mahogany, showing ruby highlights in front of the light. A small, khaki crown forms slowly upon pouring, showing decent retention for this high gravity brew. A quick swirl of the glass will easily conjure up larger froth if desired.

I could smell 4D long before I ever brought the glass to my face - pretty much as soon as I cracked the bottle open. It's a highly sweet malt bomb that is very reminiscent of a barleywine up front. Humongous caramel aromas, warm toffee, and a melted coating of brown sugar smeared from wall to wall. Rich dark fruits reside beneath this blanket of sugary goodness; plums, black cherries, dates - all candied and tangled in vibrant sweetness. I pick up very faint woody aromas, though I don't believe the original 4D ever touched a barrel. Wonder what this is from? Alcohol is present with a warming and smooth notice, similar to that of brandy or sherry. Warmer temperatures only reveal more nuances in this already complex labyrinth of aromas; more sticky toffee, light tobacco, graham crackers... This aroma is blowing my mind.

Smelling this beer does nothing but get me even more excited to finally bring it to my lips. Truth is, I usually sit there and wave it in front of my nose for minutes before I finally take a sip. Initially, 4D comes out swinging with a fruit combination, sweet and pure like a puree; cherries, raspberries, and ripe plums are leading the pack by far. Now imagine those fruits drizzled in rich caramel, and rolled in a vat of brown sugar, then dipped delicately in a brandy bath for a few hours. Sticky bouts of toffee are strong from start to finish along with lighter hints being given to honey and maybe even maple syrup. 4D is sending my entire sensory system into a frenzy and I'm loving every goddamn minute of it.

Again, warmer temperatures yield an even larger bouquet of flavors, so I recommend taking it slow; it probably took me a little over an hour to finish the 12 oz bottle and that's the best way to do it. The flavors intensify and grow to a ridiculous degree of power and refinement, as if they weren't incredible enough already. The aftertaste is full of that light oak flavor that I was getting in the aroma - again, kind of mind-boggling considering this wasn't aged in a barrel or anything. Long lasting, toasted brown sugar couples with graham crackers and leftover cherry and raspberry juices to give one last jolt of sweetness before the sip of 4D is gone forever. Despite the intensely high levels of sweetness, the beer elegantly avoids becoming cloying through delicate balance with the alcohol heat and a faint (almost unnoticeable) addition of earthy hop bitterness. Slightly sticky mouth feel, heavy and thick on the palate, low-medium carbonation.

Holy shitballs. This stuff is absolutely incredible. I know I'm probably one of the only people that thinks this, but I enjoy the regular 4D much more than the barrel-aged version. I don't believe that barrel-aging always makes things better, and here is a perfect example of that. Why? Bourbon barrel aging imparts a particular and dignified set of flavors; in my opinion, these flavors kind of mask what I love so much about 4D. Call it a barleywine or an old ale or whatever the hell you want - this beer is a perfect example of the capabilities of not only its style, but beer in general. Enjoy this beer and take a nap, then thank me later.

Photo of TurdFurgison
4.63/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had on tap at the Kuhnhenn brewpub. I'd been wanting to try this beer for some time, and it lived up to its hype.

It was presented in a tulip-style chalice, showcasing the dark aubrun red beer with a thick, wet, and sticky tan head. Very nice looking, and the aroma wasn't as strong or barley-winey as I feared. It was malty and a little muted. Still very nice. The taste was almost doppelbocky, with rich and sweet malt flavors battling for dominance over the alcohol (13.5% based on the menu description). The malt flavors came through really nicely, and there was just a hint of alcohol burn. The mouthfeel was just as good, thick and chewy, it felt like drinking a meal. Very very nice old ale.

Photo of zac16125
4.64/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle poured into a snifter
2011 Vintage

A big thanks to muskiesman for sending this one over in a trade

A: Pours a somewhat viscous opaque very dark brown, almost black, with no head to speak of, only a slight outer ring so small I can't even determine the color.  Leaves effectively no lacing.  

S: Big aroma.  Dark fruits with fig, raisin and date notes, woody oak aroma even though this is not the barrel aged one, hints of bourbon, black licorice, a small amount of booze, and a hint of vanilla extract.  Awesome.  

T: Dark fruit sweetness up front in the form of overripe plum and fig, with lots of different flavors coming through on the back end including coffee, dark chocolate, and roasted malt. As it warms I get a big toffee character, which is great. I also pick up burnt toast, some vanilla, a nutty character, and a subtle hint of booze that only comes out towards the end of the glass. This is well balanced and so complex, taking your palate through multiple flavor levels with each sip.  Really fantastic, bordering on perfect.  

M/D: Smooth, about as full bodied as you can get, with appropriately low carbonation, and a sticky, somewhat chewy mouthfeel.  Coats the palate nicely, and has a whole body warming characteristic.  Amazingly, I get almost none of the massive 13.5% ABV, either on the nose or the tongue, impressive!  Even with the ABV masking, it's still a sipper due to the thick consistency and massive flavor profile, but that's how big old ales and barleywines should be, and all things considered the drinkability is actually quite good.  

O: Wow, what a beer.  Not for everyone, as this is a big, bold brew. But if you are a fan of the style it's an absolute must try.  Does this beer get better with barrel aging?  I'm not sure it can, as there isn't much room for improvement, but I can't wait to try the BB4D and find out.  Highly recommend.  

Photo of klikger
4.64/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle from 2009 served in a snifter

A - Very dark amber/red with almost no head. Lacing is minimal, save for a tiny ring floating atop this beautifully-hued ale.

S - Toffee, raisin, fig, and a little vanilla.

T - Surpasses the delicious nose from sip one, with caramel, dates, and no small bit of alcohol heat. As time passes, raisins, tobacco, brown sugar, molasses, and prunes are tasted, with the dried fruits featured prominently. The finish is both sweet and slightly bitter, ensuring that it doesn't grow cloying. This beer shares many flavors and characteristics with a good tawny port and is ideal as a digestif.

M - Very warm and no carbonation. The sweetness never becomes detrimentally syrupy, which amazes me.

D - Obviously a sipper, but not because it's hard to drink - I forced myself to take only small sips over an hour or so, as this is a rare treat and deserves to be enjoyed as such. However, the beer never required me to slow down due to being overbearingly sweet or strong. This is a huge beer; drinkability is great for what it is.

I'm a massive fan of Fourth Dementia - it's in my top 10 without a doubt. It absolutely explodes with flavor, and the blend is perfectly suited for my palate. If you like Old Ales, this should be near the top of your to-drink list.

Photo of 7ways
4.64/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Dark, murky, and a little orange. Small head and spotty lace.

Smells incredible, like if Hibernation and JW Lees had an 11% baby. Toasted nuts, dark fruit/raisin, caramel maltiness, raw dirt, and strong cooking wine.

Tastes just as good. Sherry or Port (I get them confused a lot), fig, raisin, and another fruit I can't place. There is also a cranberry tartness that works well.

Mouthfeel is somewhat thick and creamy with soft little bubbles.

Very drinkable for an Old Ale.

Photo of amicar
4.65/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Pours into a nice tulip glass at the brewery, chestnut colored and thick- looking. The smell is complex with a musky caramel and roast malt smell. Taste is heavenly- evolves over a few minutes from a smooth, somewhat sweet caramel and roast malt to a musky and oh- so slightly vaguely herbal flavor with malt predominance. Really beautiful in the mouth with just the right amount of heat. It was easy to slow down and enjoy this beer over an extended period of time, given the number of flavors going on here, and even easier to order another. Not necessarily easy to get off the stool and walk home without stumbling, though at 9.5%. So worth it, though.

Photo of scottoale
4.65/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2008 Vintage, an extra from a most generous trader, hoppymeal. Thanks a million D! The brown 12oz. long-neck pours into my Chimay chalice a deep rootbeer-ruby with great clarity and about a 1/2" of khaki, dense foam. Subtle, yet perfect carbonation for this style.

Sweet and malty, estery fruity nose that unfolds with complexity as it warms. Reminds me of sweet mead and raw honey. Dark ripe fruits as well and some grassy hops in the background.

Very sweet and fruity upfront, tasting alot like honeysuckle nectar, right off the flower. Malty notes of caramel and tropical fruit follow. The alcohol comes into play at this point and adds complexity and turns to the pleasant grassy hop bitter finish, with a touch of warmth. The ABV stated on the label is 11.8%, which keeps this brew to a sipper pace. Overall really sweet, with just enough balance to make the flavors shine...tasty stuff!

Full complex body with dialed carbonation and the flavor of an Old Ale like no other...very unique indeed. Would love to try this with even more age on it and will seek it in the future.

Photo of Gaisgeil
4.65/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

An exceptional old ale, no doubt there whatsoever.

Straight from the tap at the Kuhnhenn pub, lucky me! Poured a dark and caramel toned amber in color with a thin tan head. Nose was a bit sweet, but also a bit smokey and woody at the same time. Had a very strong presence. Taste is gorgeous, complex and delicious. Stewed fruit, smoke, wood, heavily estery but with a delicate yet strong alcohol bite. Bits of spice, reminded of a spiced tobacco somehow also made appearances. There were so many layers going on here which became more and more evident as it warmed a bit. Carbonation was on the medium side, nearly perfect for this brew.

I was really impressed with this one, I'll definatly have to go back and get some more before too long.

Slàinte!

Photo of BrainDad
4.66/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

On tap at Hopcat. Six bucks for a glass of heaven!

Looks a beautiful deep amber. Like Churchill's snifter waiting for a cigar to get going. Not much head but with lacy lacing down the side.

Not a lot of aroma to be found but the flavor is smooth and brandy-like, slight sweet (others liken it to marshmallow). Rolls perfectly off the palate and down the throat.

A great sensual experience to savor. Thank God I live in Michigan!

Photo of claspada
4.67/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Adding 2009 edition, sampled 2/9/12.
Aromas are the same minus the musty, oxidized qualities.
The tastes are identical and equally as enjoyable as I remember. Dark fruits and light cocoa dominate.
Mouthfeel is crazy coating and amazing.
Overall, I love this beer, considering moving to Michigan to have direct access every time this is released.

Adding 2007 Vintage tasted 1 month after 2005.
The pour had more more evident carbonation/head retention.

Aromas begin with light chocolate. with the below sweet and fruity malts as well. Less of a musty, earthy, leathery presence. Less sweet toffee and more dark chocolate.

The tastes are fairly close to the previous with lots of dark chocolate and dark fruits. Baker's cocoa becomes more apparent as it warms. Zero alcohol tastes or aromas here. This further verifies my beliefs that beer needs to be consumed within 5 years.

Mouthfeel is super full with medium carbonation; much much more than the 05 I had a couple weeks back. Glorious full finish, luscious almost.

Overall I think this beer is at it's peak after 4 years, the 6 year version showed signs of breaking down but this is freakin' epic. I am adjusting my original ranking to reflect this 2007 perfection. Although this is much more chocolatey and cocoa forward than I expect in an Old Ale, it is still probably the best example I have ever had. I just love that dark, bitter, fruit balance.

Sampling 2005 vintages of Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D).
Aromas start with deep dark caramelized brown sugar maltiness and sweet toffee as well. Cocoa and dark dark cherries become quite apparent as this opens up. Lesser notes of leather and earthy/musk in the background with some inevitable alcohol as well.
The tastes follow the nose to a tee. Loads of dark caramel maltiness coupled with equal amounts of toffee sweetness and dark brandy soaked cherry flavors. Lesser notes of cocoa and earthy/leather on the back end (much less compared to the initial flavors mentioned above). Alcohol bite is non-existent which makes sense after 5+ years. Molasses and dark fruits (figs and dates) linger on the palate now that this is room temperature.
The mouthfeel is medium-full bodied with low carbonation, which I usually hate but it works here. Chewy and finishes mildly sticky.
Overall, this is a great old ale; a bit heavy for the style in the dark malt/cocoa flavor profile but absolutely still delicious. Brandy soaked toffee covered cherries is a single sentence descriptor. This has aged superbly and shows no signs to deterioration even after 5+ years.

Photo of avalon07
4.67/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: Poured from a bottle to a pint glass. Had a murky brown color and a thick consistency. There was a very thin, foamy head that quickly dissipated. Not much lacing to speak of.

S: A big, warm aroma of malt, caramel, molasses, alcohol, and some spices.

T: Tasted like it smelled: Lots of caramel and molasses, some malt, and assorted spices. Alcohol is noticeable, but not overwhelmingly. This is a very complex, extremely flavorful beer.

M: A good amount of carbonation with a smooth, silky finish. Full-bodied.

O: This is an excellent example of an Old Ale. A well made beer all around.

Photo of korguy123
4.67/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Most recent batch into Kuhnhenn snifter/tulip (They call it their "Belgian" glass)

A- Super murky, almost black pour with just a thin light tan ring around the glass. Lacing is spotty but the alcohol just grips the glass.

S- Wow, okay... where to begin. Huge brown sugar, vanilla, plum, raisin with a nice coffee, chocolate and molasses sweetness in the back. Slight leather and tobacco. The alcohol is super hidden. I don't know if this makes sense but is smells syrupy and sticky.

T- My goodness... Massive raisins and dates and figs, followed by huge char taste of toast and tobacco. Coffee and chocolate followed by vanilla, brown sugar and molasses. The finish is bitter and something I would describe of grape skins.

M- Like I guessed in the aroma it's syrupy and sticky. Heavier than medium bodied, super low carbonation with a touch of alcohol warmth.

O- This is something I've been wanting to try since I found out about Kuhnhenn. It really doesn't disappoint. After driving all through Michigan and stopping there before leaving the country I was happy to get 4 of these AND 4 of the bourbon version. I love this and can't wait to try the other.

Photo of BlindPig
4.67/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

A- Thin creamy tan head on a dark body and when held to light a pretty clear amber body. Very little lacing is left besides a collar. Also has some very nice legs to it with a swirl.
S- Has the "old ale" aroma. A sweet caramel, cherries, dark fruits, and a very nice complex aroma. Very nice blend of smells.
T/M- Has a sweet caramel body and a huge warming of alcohol that warms the whole body. Tastes just like the aroma with the "old ale" flavor. Sweet cherries and other blends of fruits. I'm getting wood and light vanilla from it also. Light bitterness sticks on the tip of the tongue. A dry smooth finish to it along with that huge alcohol hotness. Almost candy like and very full in body. Goes down very smooth with low carbonation. It's just a great blend of complex flavors.
D- It is a big sipper but it's a great beer. I'm glad I opened it for my 400th review. Very complex and interesting flavors. I would seek this out again.

Photo of JamnesCameron
4.7/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Received this 2010 bottle from fear025 in my Birthday BIF box. Thanks Jay!

Poured into a snifter. Pours a deep garnet with barely any head.

Aromas of dark fruits, figs, raisins, prunes. No hop aroma to speak of.

Flavors of deep rich, concentrated dark fruits, like a jam made of raisins, figs and prunes. Sweetness on the edge of being cloying. Reminds me of port wine.

Mouthfeel is big, chewy, syrupy and oily. Just a hint of carbonation.

Overall, an excellent big brew. Lots of rich flavors meld well together.

Photo of sweemzander
4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz. bottle poured into a snifter. 2009 Vintage.

(A)- Pours a cloudy dark brown; almost black color. Produced a tan, almost orange head that is sticking to the sides of the glass.

(S)- A near roasted richness and sweetness of fig, raisin, vanilla, toffee, caramel, butterscotch, honey, and somehow plum. A wood-like dryness in the background. A rather rustic profile with a touch of nuttiness in between the malts. The best smelling Old Ale I have ever enjoyed. Rich and sweet with a big complexity to it.

(T)- Again, a dense monster of rich malts. The smell describes the taste perfectly.

(M)- Dense and rich, but is fitting of the style. A good carbonation level and a great balance. Sweet and malty as hell, but has a light level of bitterness, dryness, and heat to not make it over the top. It also has almost a roasted character to the background.

(D)- A fantastic Old Ale. Sweet and rich and dense, but in the best way. Has an awesome malt profile. A superb example of the style. The more I have of it, the more I like it. Usually the style is too hot for my taste, but this one hides its 12.5% well.
Tastes awesome now, but age will be kind to this yet. It did take me awhile to finish the bottle though, but this one you gotta sip; complex and silky sweet.

Photo of DrJay
4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very slightly hazy, very dark, ruby red colour topped by a light tan head that showed very good retention and left thick lacing on the glass. Intensely malty aroma with rich caramel and toffee, molasses, and a hint of vanilla. The dark, ripe fruitiness becomes a deep vinous aroma with noticeable alcohol character as it warms. Malty sweet flavour to start, it just gets more and more complex. Caramel, toffee, molasses, and ripe fruits are strongest initially, with a bit of oak, vanilla, and nuttiness underneath. Bitterness comes forward part way through and a very light hoppiness appears towards the end, but it remains very, very restrained. The finish is a combination of caramel sweetness and warm alcohol flavour. Full, chewy body that stops just short of being syrupy, with moderately low carbonation. This is a very fine beer, made with exceptional craftsmanship. Definitely the stand-out offering that was available at Kuhnhenn during my visit.

Photo of blackthistle
4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. brown bottle; brewed on 08-01-04, best before 2010; $2.79 for single bottle

Pours an almost opaque deep ruby color with orange/amber tints around the edges and a thick creamy head that dissipates slowly and leaves beautiful yet sparse lace on the sides of the glass. The aroma is mostly caramel sweet with some sherry, raisin, and molasses notes detected along with just a hint of spiciness from the hops. The flavor here is all malt. It is a sweet caramel malt flavor with just enough noble hops bitterness to balance this big boy out. There are some hints of raisin, sherry, molasses and brown sugar along with some alcohol warming. This beer is big in the mouthfeel department, smooth, creamy and chewy all the way to the end. The flavors will linger on your tongue long after the beer is gone... and that is a good thing! Now this is my kind of beer!

Photo of rhinos00
4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Received this long time want from Eric (viggo) in the Gentlemen's Club BIF. 2007 Vintage. Poured into a snifter.

A- Pours a very dark brown with shades of maroon throughout. Very little clarity. Produced a fingers width of off-white head. Over time dissipated into a thin ring around the glass.

S- Malt explosion. Lightly smoked malts, along with toffee and caramel scents. Also picking up a bit of vanilla and barrel as well. The barrel I'm noticing gives the beer a slightly nutty attribute.

T- Oh man, just heavenly. Easily one of the best beers I have had in a long, long time. For a few brief moments an oak barrel, malt flavor lingers on the palate. However, a wave a vanilla, caramel flavors just transform this beer into something so beautiful. Almost like Vanilla Bean DL except the sweetness was not as overwhelming. This beer finishes sweet, but not as sweet as say Dark Lord or Darkness. Just perfect.

M- If there was ever a beer that matched the mouthfeel with the taste perfectly, this was it. Medium bodied, but was silky and smooth. Left some residual stickiness on the palate.

D- I could have put this down so quickly, but I tried to savor each sip. Didn't even notice that this was close to 12%abv.

Overall, this beer, particularly this vintage, is just ridiculous. All I can say is that if you have 2007 Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia, send them to me ;^)

Photo of RonfromJersey
4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Best before 2011 ?

Dark brown/black body with ruby highlights. Held up to the light it looks like a goblet of blood. Small tan head collars the glass and clings a half inch up from the surface. Tempting.

Filthy rich aroma includes mocha, licorice, some fresh bread, tons of fruit, and big floral notes. Delightfully complex even if I can't identify all the elements.

Taste is ...wow. The mocha java from the aroma is here, intwined with some wonderous caramel. Sweet and alcoholic but not cloying. Some dark fruits plum about the surface. Big hit of cherry.

Mouthfeel is halfway from medium to thick, and feels damn fine. Drinkability...this is a sipper, because its good enough to slowly savor, you won't want the bottle to end.

My first beer from Kuhnhenn. Lived up to all the good word. Not demented to say this is damn good.

Photo of GreesyFizeek
4.73/5  rDev +10.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.75

Bottle received in a recent trade with mikeyson4, thanks man. '13 vintage.

This one pours a deep brown, with basically no head or lacing.

This smells just decadent, intense and incredible- there's super sweet raisin puree, a port-like vinous note, chocolate, caramel, and toffee, and just the slightest hint of booze.

The best way to describe the flavor of this one is intense. There's really quite a lot going on here. The strongest flavor is dark fruit, with a really big Belgian-like raisin character. It almost tastes port-barrel aged or something like that, as there's a definite mild tart wine-like character. There's a really nice baker's chocolate aspect as well, as well as sarsaparilla, caramel, and toffee. The 1.5 year bottle here has aged very nicely, the booze character is very mild, and is mainly just warming. There's some cherry and sherry character as well, maybe from slight oxidation, or maybe it's intended. Doesn't really matter, this is delicious.

This has a very syrupy and slightly sugary mouthfeel. It's still very drinkable though, and not at all cloying. The carbonation level is pretty low.

Another amazing big beer from the guys at Kuhnhenn- they know how to do it right.

Photo of ehammond1
4.74/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Bottle (2011)

Acquired via trade
Thanks, whartontallboy!

(Aged for 1+ year)

Very dark brown throughout. Even the edges are the darkest of browns. There is effectively zero visible carbonation after an aggressive pour. A few large bubbles appear at the center/top of the liquid, but effectively, this looks still. I suppose this is the only disapointing aspect of this beer, but the appearance becomes altogether meaningless after tasting this.

Fantastic aroma, though the flavor is even better. The aroma is a wonderful combination of melted caramel candies, chocolate covered marshmallows, maple syrup, and an earthy/honey sweetness. Complete and expressive.

An absurdly good (non barrel-aged) old ale. There is so much complexity here, usually found only in beers of this style that have been barrel-aged. Layers of dark fruits, caramels and toffees, mild chocolate and marshmallow, and maple sweetness coat the tongue. The alcohol is remarkably well hidden. I haven't had the opportunity to try this beer fresh, but I'm happy I sat on this one for the length I did.

Medium bodied with very low carbonation. Slightly chewy, coating, oily. Lovely and decadent.

My favorite of a favorite style. Perfection. Looking forward to opening the barrel-aged one next.

Photo of Thehuntmaster
4.74/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

355ml bottle 13,5% ABV
Served lightly chilled in an over sized wine glass.
2011 Vintage

Appearance: 4D pours thick and viscous and appears dark brown in the glass. The body is almost opaque, but a strong back light reveals deep red and then golden along the edges. A very rough pour only yields a few small tan coloured bubbles that can hardly be called a head. A swirl coats the glass in a thick yellow-tinted film and leaves heavy alcohol legs.

Smell: Oh man, now this is what I call a nose! Massive and super sweet (just as I like it). The initial nose consists of dark treacle, caramelized brown sugar, toffee, a touch of chocolate and two notes that I usually only associate with bourbon barrel-aged beers - toasted marshmallow and toasted coconut. As the beer warms, the nose become amazingly complex with notes including: Raisins, preserved figs, an earthy quality, a touch of leather, molasses and a very unexpected hint of Bamberg smoke.
There is a hint of the 13,5% noted in the nose, but it is wonderfully integrated with the other notes.

Taste: As expected, the initial flavour is quite sweet, with notes of dark treacle, dark caramel, toffee, sweet dark fruits (raisins, prunes and figs), toasted marshmallow and a little molasses. This is followed by an earthy character and a touch of chocolate. The finish is mildly bitter and prevents the sweetness from becoming cloying.
As the beer approaches room temperature, the dark fruits become more prominent, with dates also being noted.
As in the nose, a touch of the 13,5% is noted, but I feel it is an integral part of the flavour.

Mouthfeel: I am sure that most people would call this under carbonated, but for me it is just about perfect - very low level and ultra smooth. The body is full and quite sticky.

Overall: 4D is a phenomenal old ale, I will certainly be buying a few more bottles as soon as I get the chance and trying my best to trade for some of the bourbon edition. Highly recommended for any lover of big, sweet beers.

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4.75/5  rDev +11%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12oz. bottle, brewed 2/16/05.

Hazy initially, but cleared considerably even as I drank. Dark brown, with lots of ruby highlights. Small, creamy, light brown head. No lacing, but quite leggy.

Chocolate& caramel greet the nose. Some roast notes (faint). Smells very rich. Just a bit of tartness, cherries, I think. Dark fruits, plums, raisins and figs. Smells like a malt bomb!

It is! It is! It is a malt bomb! And I'm damn happy to be the target! Sweet, almost port-like in taste. Dark fruits and chocolate come out first, followed by some caramel. Roast notes, again quite faint. Alcohol there, but well hidden. Tea flavors. Herbal bitterness at the finish, more noticeable in aftertaste, provides just a bit of balance.

Heavy and coating in body. Low to almost no carbonation. Alcohol warming present with first sip. Very rich and smooth. Touch of drying near finish, probably related to alcohol content.

Not really sure how something like this could be improved! I'm a certified hop head, but this malt bomb was one of the most delicious beers I've ever drank.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 975 ratings.