Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Reviews: 446
Hads: 987
rAvg: 4.24
pDev: 6.37%
Wants: 593
Gots: 217 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Reviews: 446 | Hads: 987
Photo of BMoney575
3.8/5  rDev -10.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sampled on 2-21-09
2007 Vintage
Reviewed from notes.

A: Off white head, deep brown, almost purple color.

S: Fruity and boozy, lots of age and oak. Very strong.

T: Quite earthy at first, strong and malty, with dark fruit and raisin flavors. Booze adds a pleasant finish.

M: Nice, about right for the style, a little thin for my tastes.

D: Good, considering the abv. Definitely a sipper. (390 characters)

Photo of Frozensoul327
3.8/5  rDev -10.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Wow. Damned good beer. Brewed on 08/01/2004, drank on 06/10/2005. Poured out to a brown ale color with decent carbonation and a nice foamy cream-like head. Right off the bat, this one smells like raisins, with sweet floral notes mixed in. Woo-hoo, the booze is present in this one! Strong element of alcohol mixed with fermented fruit flavors and a toffee like aftertaste. Went down too smooth considering the power this brew packs. This will knock you firmly on your ass if you are not ready for it. Hell, it will knock you on your ass if you ARE ready for it! I would imagine as the brewer recommends, this beer would really mellow with age, and the flavors would mature. I plan on getting a sixer of this and letting it sit for a few years and see what happends. Nonetheless, a solid winner. Recommended. (807 characters)

Photo of BigDaddyWil
3.8/5  rDev -10.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Purchased a growler for $15 at the Kuhnhenn brewery.
The Fourth Dimentia release party was on Jan 21 2006.
The beer menu states that Fourth Dimentia has an abv of 13.5%
Poured from a growler into a New Belgium tulip glass.

I sampled this at the brewery and just had to take this home. Its too bad they are not bottling this brew. Pours a very dark amber color. Just a faint amount of light can pass through. Bright ruby highlights along the outside of my glass. Absolutely no lacing, but has an oily, syrupy consistency about it. Heavy aroma of molasses, malt, candy, and dark fruits. Nice taste, very sweet, a combination of molasses, candy and maybe apple cider. It leaves with a slight alcohol burn. Slick, smooth mouthfeel and finishes slighly dry. Drinkability is tough due to the high alcohol content. Don't get me wrong, this brew has an awesome taste. But, after one glass I already have a buzz going, and I have a growler of this stuff. Looks like this will be an early night. A must try if you can get to Michigan!!! (1,032 characters)

Photo of Higravity
3.8/5  rDev -10.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Well this is a definate snifter beer, the tighter the lip on the glass the better. Garnet coloring with a mild head that is gone fast. Smells of alcohol right up front but there are a lot of others things in there as well including maple, dark fruit, ripe melon, and apples like green apples. The taste is burning from the start with the alcohol but like a good scotch or brandy it only scours the tastes buds to open them up for all the taste coming afterwards. Heady malt complexity with a slight hint of char and raisins, there are some bitter hops but no flavor and again a weird green apple finish that I would call an of flavoring. I think this could have used a little more oxidation overall. The mouthfeel suffers due to the high alcohol feel the taste was fine but the burning in my throat made it a little hard. A good sipper while the weather is whatever outside. (874 characters)

Photo of barleywinebrewer
3.82/5  rDev -9.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

thanks to hoppymeal for this via the bw bif2. another bottle of the 2-16-05 series.

A - sort of a black / brown mix - almost brackish but not quite black. A whisp of dark tan carbonation at the edges.
S - Deep vinous raisin, toffee, notes backed but a warmth that implies strong.
T - similar to the aroma but with a sharp drop of the sweet malts and a hit of burnt / hop bite. Not enough to kill the brew but not what I would envision from the aromas.
M - full bodied, lightly carbonated, thick but not cloying. finishes dry
D - an intriguing brew. One is plenty for an evening.

The bite is a bit more than I would prefer in an aged old ale / barleywine. I'd be curious to see what a few more years would do but other than that I'd look to other brews to fortify the cellar. (785 characters)

Photo of corby112
3.82/5  rDev -9.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

2010 vintage courtesy of mikey711. Thanks again man!

Pours a dark chestnut brown color with ruby/mahogany edges and a half finger light beige head that immediately fades into a thin ring. Minimal spots of lacing left behind.

Sweet malt aroma with faint earthy hops and boozy heat. Lots of earthy oak/wood character balanced out by hints of caramel, rye and toffee. I'm also picking up some dark fruit, mostly raisin and plum and fig along with other dark berries. The nose is pretty complex with a good balance of barrel character, leathery malt and sweet notes.

Medium body and slightly syrupy with some soft carbonation and subtle spice up front. There's a slightly earthy, leathery character but this beer is bursting with sweet malt flavor. Hints of caramel, toffee, biscuit, hazelnut and rye which are countered at the end of the swallow by a boozy hot finish with a decent hop bite. There's a decent barrel presence with a good amount of oaky/wood flavor along with some more sweet booze. This beer is pretty complex but is very hot at this stage and the ABV is not very well masked. It's 13.5% and you can feel it in the finish. Definitely a sipper that should improve with time but right now it's still a bit rough. (1,226 characters)

Photo of steve8robin
3.83/5  rDev -9.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got this beer in a recent trade, thanks Eric for tossing this one in. Been waiting to try this bad boy for a long time now so without further or do. 12oz bottle, 2010 vintage...

A: A super dark brown with some strong deep ruby red mixed in with a 1/2 inch tan head that fades at a decent rate. Very good.

S: I get some nice sweet caramel malt upfront immediately followed by some bready rye and faint grape in the middle. Some Some sweet toffee on the backend. Good.

T: I get some bready caramel quickly followed by a nice warming sensation. Some watery toffee in the middle with and faint hints of chocolate on the backend. Decent.

M: Thick and creamy with a nice carbonation. A dry finish. Good.

D: The booze is present, but not by any means overpowering or showcasing itself in the beer. Good.

All in all, this beer is definitely not as good as I would have hoped or as I've seen it rated, but it's still a good brew to try at least once if you like the style. The 2010 is 13.5% ABV and that is very surprising in this one. The alcohol is there, but not overwhelming. (1,076 characters)

Photo of Adamdc
3.85/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle poured into large snifter

A: Almost black pour that when held up to light shows ruby hues. Very minimal head that shows light lacing

S: Lots of burnt sugar and brown sugar with dark fruits (some cherries also) and booze. I can tell this is going to be 'big'!!

T: I'm hit with a very dominant sweetness! The taste mimics the aroma with the dark fruits moving to the forefront and the booze is tingling my tongue---pretty hot.

M: I must say the mouthfeel is very nice. Nicely thick and syrupy!

D: 11.8%ABV and the sweetness would limit me to only one per sitting.

I'm probably not the best judge of this beer for two reasons: I don't have alot of experience with 'Old Ales' and I've never been a big fan of 'sweet' beers. Even the 'almighty' DL is too sweet for my tastes. But with that said, it is clear that this beer is something special. There's is alot going on with all the different dark fruit aromas and tastes that are going on. I got this as an extra in a trade and it seems that it's a pretty sought after beer. I'm glad I got to try it and if the situation arises again, I'll go at it one more time! (1,129 characters)

Photo of Rastacouere
3.86/5  rDev -9%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Superb creamy egg shell head. Dark copper pour. Very sweet nose contains heavy brown sugar notes. French toast maple and bready richness form a sweetened candi sugar base among which the vegetal, barky and leafy hints are envelopped. Strong earthy vinous character, cognac-like smooth alcohol burn. Heavy toasted malts bring forth smoky tones that are later replaced by almost roasted grains. Complex fruitiness, very sweet, perhaps too much so, but it’s just admirable how many elements come and go before it’s over. Full bodied, smooth soft carbonation. Could be a bit drier, couldn’t be a bit more decadent. (613 characters)

Photo of biga7346
3.87/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A - A rusty burgundy, pours flat w/ a little soapy head and very little lacing.

N - Huge boozy notes up front flirting with suggestions of bourbon-whisky, vanilla bean, pineapple, sugar cane and toffee-ish. Reminds me of a creme brulee or tiramisu. Lots of breadiness and golden raisin maltiness.

T/M - Raisin bread, fruit cake, figs, more of that wonderful toffee-ish, candy-like bite, very boozy and warming in the finish. Leaves a sugary and resiny aftertaste that lingers. A little port-ish and I get some whiffs of nutty cheese, or maybe I'm just thinking this would be great paired with cheese. A velvety and gritty texture.

D - A total sipper, but very good. Would be tough to drink more than 1 bottle of this in a sitting. (734 characters)

Photo of Khazadum
3.87/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottle is Olde Ale 2009. Should be enough time for this to settle a bit from its 12.5% nature.

A- Deep, deep mahogany brown. Creamy top with pock marks of bubbles. Edges of the glass reveal a load of carbonation streaming up the edges.

Retention time is a bit lackluster, settled to a thin skin and moderate collar. Reminds me of oatmeal without the water. Lacing is spotty, but for the most part decent.

S- Dark fruits ahoy! We have plums and raisins sweetening the opening notes. Grapes and wine-like body... sharp alcoholic edging balances out the syrupy flavors.

T- Like the nose, I notice a large shipment of dark, sweet, fruits arriving on my tongue. From here there is a middle flavor that is interesting. Creamy... milky. Almost custard in terms of flavor. From here it is sprinkled with a heaping portion of brown sugar and begins its descent into the finish.

The entire presence is laced with alcoholic flavor. That antiseptic dry presence lifting the layers from the possibility of becoming cloying or nauseating.

Finish is thickly caramel, tons of brown sugar, and layers of bitter alcohol memories.

M- Full bodied, thick, chunky, chewy, and gaseous all at once. It hits you hard and lingers all over the place with different flavors for each location. Want some custard? Try behind the molars. Want some raisin? I think I left some under the tongue. Perhaps a caramel chew or two? Soft palate middle ways back.

D- It surely has the alcohol punch to it. Can't go balls to the wall on this monster. Sip or be punched out. It could use with a bit more time mellowing out in terms of sweetness and alcohol. Perhaps it'll age even better. I like it. I'd like to have it again in the future. (1,711 characters)

Photo of TheManiacalOne
3.88/5  rDev -8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2009 release, acquired from raznug courtesy of the Under 100-3 BIF, so a big “Thank You” goes out to him. Poured from a 12oz bottle into a US tumbler pint glass.

A: The beer is a deep reddish brown color, with a thin light brown head that fades quickly and leaves a thin lace on the glass.

S: The aroma contains brown sugar, bourbon, caramelized malts and some hops.

T: The taste starts out sweet with flavors of bourbon, caramel and brown sugar. Then a significant alcohol sting comes in followed by a hearty malt character. The hops presence is mild but brings a decent balance. The after-taste is slightly sweet.

M: Smooth and crisp, medium body, medium carbonation, finish is slightly sticky.

D: Tasty, goes down easily, not too filling, ABV listed on the bottle is 12.50% so a very strong kick, very good representation of style, this is a solid stronger beer but there are others in the style that I would choose first. (934 characters)

Photo of mmapes
3.89/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Big thanks to Andrew for the trade. We opened a 2012 vintage.

Pours cloudy, murky brown. Smells of whiskey, carmel. Smells sweet - very sweet, some molasses.

First impression: sweet! Lingering finish has an herbal quality. Medicinal? Very hot. Probably needs to warm up before we can say more definitively what the taste will be.

Later sips: the herbal component stays in the back. The sweetness stays forward. Probably less balanced and interesting than my favorite Old Stock, but pretty good. Up my alley.

Nice thick mouthfeel coats the tongue. (550 characters)

Photo of jrallen34
3.89/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

My growler filled by Alex on his roadtrip, thank you very much.

Boring light brown pour with light tan head of carbonation...Aroma is really nice and complex, starts off sweet similar to the oude bruin with some light sour cherries, dark brown sugar, and a little alcohol...The taste is a let down, not as sweet, lots of grain alcohol and brown sugar, not any of the sweetness or cherries.

Better than the bottle version I've had but still only a decent beer. (462 characters)

Photo of Bung
3.9/5  rDev -8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

2008 bottling. Quite dark amber pour, zero head arises. Some stickiness to the glass. Smells wonderful. Fragrant aroma of brown sugar, malt and some floral hops. Sweet molasses, caramel/toffee up front. Mellows rather quickly into some red fruits, malt and finishes with just a miniscule hop bitterness. Certainly a beer to contemplate. Only a hint of booziness. Just a little bit thin yet. Well done, but a bit dissappointed considering this is so highly thought of. We'll see how the other 5 of these age, I have a feeling it will improve. Still very well worth trying. (571 characters)

Photo of emmasdad
3.9/5  rDev -8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a medium to dark brown, with a very minimal head. Aromas of honey, molasses, dark brown sugar and oak. On the palate, this one is quite boozy, with rum soaked dark fruits and more of the above sugars. An enjoyable beer, but one I wouldn't want a large quantity. (267 characters)

Photo of Kadonny
3.9/5  rDev -8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I got this bottle via trade. FYI my bottle listed abv at 12.5%.

Poured into a tulip tasting glass from a 12 ounce bottle.

A: A dark brownish color with some hints of ruby red. A very thin off white head leaves minimal lacing.

S: Wow, fantastic. Smells of candy with butterscotch, caramel, toffee, dark ripe fruits and a hint of wood tones.

T: Ok, beer is much sweeter than the aroma. The first flavors that pour out are the dark ripe fruits with raisin, fig, prune coupled with a candy like sweetness that gives off butterscotch, caramel, molasses and some slight earthy or wood tones. Sweetness is strong and lasting with the alcohol flavor kicking in at the end. You taste this beer long after its gone from the mouth.

M: Full, coating, syrupy sweet (almost cloying), lasting with the abv poking out for sure.

O: A very good beer that is hurt by the overall huge sweetness. Limited quantities can only be tolerated as the sweetness just keeps coming and coming. Very complex and it would make a fantastic dessert beer.

This was a very good beer, but not my bag with the huge sweetness. Still, I'm very glad I got to try it. (1,134 characters)

Photo of malty
3.91/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Enjoyed on a Monday late afternoon lunch at HopCat in Grand Rapids.

Poured into a stemmed tulip chalice a dark crimson with plum hilights. A thin khaki head settles to a mere 1/8" but stays creamy and dense. The liquid is perfectly clear with no signs of upward carbonation.

The scent is minimal. It lurks and shrugs when put under my nostrils. After a few swirls, Boozy malts laden with concord grapes evokes.

The flavors are thick and bright with what reminds me of stomped on Fig Newtons. A few sips in, a warming sherry note takes charge with a Christmas fruit cake backdrop.

Mouthfeel is full bodied to the max. with light but lifting fine carbonation. Warming and full flavored, somewhat spicy finish.

Drinkabilty is good. I definitely will be satisfied with this 13 oz. pour.

Glad I got to finally savor this gentle beast at my favorite beer bar. It's pretty much impossible to find this anywhere, so im very thankful HopCat brought in a keg. Great stuff on a sunny laidback winter afternoon. (1,005 characters)

Photo of brewtechnik
3.93/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A: Looks like muddy water when poured into my glass. Zero head.

S: Malt Bomb! Resembles Utopias, lots of ethanol mixed with caramel, raison, chocolate, and, well, malt. Oak also comes through. Almost no hop character.

T: Very slight bitterness, alcohol presence right away, and lingers. Again, malt forward with lots of sweetness but not cloying. Lots of dark fruit flavors in the background. The oak character is perfect.

M: Thinner than I would expect, alcohol lingers but is not hot. low bitterness. Very-very low carbonation.

O: If you like the Utopias "style" of beer, then you would enjoy this. Lots of malt, very low hop character and low carbonation. But, very delicious and boozy. I feel good after just one :) (723 characters)

Photo of Alieniloquium
3.94/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter. 2010 vintage.

Appearance - Deep brown with a surprising head. Wispy surface with a thin collar. Leggy on the swirl.

Smell - Mmm. A bit of oxidation, some wet sock aroma, delicious. Deep earthy caramel aroma.

Taste - Nutty malt flavor, earthy hops. Slightly less impressive than the smell. No real sweetness. Bitter finish. No booze.

Mouthfeel - No alcohol or sweetness. It's a sipper, but it's not really difficult to drink. Medium carbonation.

Overall - Nowhere near as good as the barrel aged version, but still an impressive beer. (575 characters)

Photo of shbobdb
3.95/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

This beer is caramel coffee. What a delightful idea! I think I will start my day out with that tomorrow, caramel coffee.
Rich and sweet, with a definate coffee/bitter chocolate presence rounded off with deep prunes and Kirschwasser.
This is a mighty tastey beer. There are hops in this brew . . . somewhere, but they are so dominated by the malts in the flavour profile that you really only notice it when you either smell the beer (where it is mixed with beautiful malts and booze) or in the lingering aftertaste.
Even the mouthfeel is nice. Thin, yet round. Very tastey. I really like it.
The booze is still a little too present, though. The one mark against an amazing beer. The goodness wins out over the badness though.
Yummy. (737 characters)

Photo of Stocean1
3.95/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured a one finger head, upon an amber body, a beige head tops it off with good retention - slowly down to a nice collar of foam, fine bubbles.

Smell is caramel, dark fruit and booze.

Taste follows the nose with apricot and alcohol. Very earhty with a hint of sweet tarts.

Mouth is dry, sweet, warming alcohol however towards the end the booze began to dominate, tart, and not particularly smooth.

O - a decent brew with complexities I enjoy trying but I can not say I would seek it out. (492 characters)

Photo of drabmuh
3.95/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by Matt recently after I told him this beer was on my "long list." THANKS MATT!

Served in a snifter. Beer is dark brown and forms a thin off white head that still leaves some lacing on the glass but overall carbonation levels appear low. Looks OK

Aroma is dark fruits like raisins, sweetness with a back drop of apricots and pears. Interesting. May be slightly oxidized.

Beer is sweet with an apple middle and dry finish. The forward beer is thin but the body fills out in the midpalate somehow to finish with a medium to full body. Interesting. I think this beer would benefit from some age on it. Dirnkability was pretty good, mouthfeel was confusing. (670 characters)

Photo of s1ckboy
3.95/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Nice off white head. Deep red body

S - Amazing. Very sweet. Caramel, burnt sugar, molasses dark fruits, a touch of alcohol.

T - Some caramel and dark fruits. Alcohol is very well hidden. A good amount of bitterness coming through at the end. Could use some age. A bit of a disappointment after smelling it.

M - On the thinner side of medium. A bit sticky and syrupy.

O - A decent old ale, definitly not my favorite. I very much prefer the barrel aged version. (467 characters)

Photo of SaucyA
3.95/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

2007. Cellar temp.

A - Poured into a Kuhnhenn tulip. Deep, dark brown with a lovely 1 finger, light tan head. Lots of bubbles ride the glass. Fantastic frothy lace. Noticeable carbonation dies down quickly, yet head never fades.

S - So nice... and very Kuhnhenn. There are a few smells that come to be commonplace in their big brews. Deep malt base, coupled with fruity esters. Raisins, molasses, alcohol.

T - Super roasty malts, big alcohol finish, noticeable hop bittering as well as bitter roasted malts. Slight coffee affects, as well as molasses. Melted bittersweet chocolate. Sweet, slightly sour, slightly bitter... will knock your tastebuds around.

M - I wouldn't mind if it were thicker. The carbonation and creaminess are on point, just seems like it could use a little more viscosity.

D - One and done. I love Fourth Dementia, but having more than one glass is asking for it.

Notes: This is a fine brew, but Ola Dubh 16 and Adam are both a little better from the bottle. Fourth Dementia is a bit better on tap. (1,027 characters)

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
94 out of 100 based on 446 ratings.