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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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915 Ratings
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Ratings: 915
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 565
Gots: 206 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of Phelps
3.68/5  rDev -14%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Sent by nlmartin as part of the Blind Beers BIF, this one was the 2010 edition, poured from a 12-ounce bottle into a snifter and reviewed blind.

A beautiful, mostly clear maroon topped with a half-finger, cream-colored head that fizzles away without much notice. A thin ring is all that remains, and there’s no lace — though I wouldn’t really expect much from such a boozy brew.

The aroma is fairly light, but I get some dark, sugary fruits and malts. Prunes, dark toasted bread, raisins, brown and candy sugar. Deep and sweet.

When cold, I get hints of soy and teriyaki in the flavor, along with acrid, roasted bread. As it warms, sweeter flavors emerge: raisins, caramel, toffee, bread pudding. The finish is mostly dry, with lingering notes of burnt bread.

The buttery medium body feels quite nice, and the alcohol is definitely there, though it’s not as powerful as I’d expect from a beer that’s 28-proof. Carbonation massages the tongue lightly and fizzes up the soft body just a bit as it moves.

Not bad at all, but I expect more complexity from ales as strong as this. It’s just too one-dimensional.

Phelps, May 14, 2011
Photo of wordemupg
3.68/5  rDev -14%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

355ml bottle poured into tulip 6/6/12 thanks liamt07 for the bottle

A dark reddish brown with only a very short lived thin film for head and it leaves zero lace

S lots of burnt brown sugar and rum soaked raisins, molasses and some teriyaki beef jerky smells better then it sounds, heavy on the soft caramels and a little booze but nothing compared to the 13.5% listed on the bottle

T sweeter then the smell somehow with just a little soy, tastes slightly oxidized and not as nice as the nose, some cherry liquor I didn't smell and a slightly nutty aspect

M not quite flat but very little carbonation, quite sticky on the lips but not much heat considering the strength, a little syrupy

O booze is well concealed and it smells great but not blowing me away in other areas, decent beer but I'm going too be well below the average with this one

I'm not sure what to make of this one, well concealed booze and it smells great but not quite what I was hoping for elsewhere. Even if this is a off bottle its still easy enough too drink

wordemupg, Jun 07, 2012
Photo of Retail1LO
3.68/5  rDev -14%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

From notes on 4/4/12

Pours a garnet/ruddy reddish brown with a 1 finger head via a vigorous pour. Rich plum scent w/ other dark fruits. Brown sugar. Also some caramel and vanilla. Pretty underwhelming, really. Taste is sweet and boozy, slightly astringent. More dark fruits and brown sugars. Tasty indeed. The mouth is smooth with an odd sweet/tart thing going on. Some mild heat and a touch of bitterness. Solid beer that goes down way too easily for being 13.5%

Retail1LO, Apr 12, 2012
Photo of joefuzz
3.7/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

2011 vintage poured into snifter

pours dark brown with a slight ruby tint some tiny little bubbles circle the edge of the glass

smells more kind of like a burnt marsh mellow with a huge alcohol presence

tastes brings raisins plums and other dark fruits to mind with a nice sugary sweetness slight alcohol burn

carbonation is almost non existent and a very thick coating mouthfeel

overall very good sipper i'm going to sit on a few for a little while and see how they do.... i should crack my 09 soon to try the lower alcohol version

joefuzz, Apr 10, 2012
Photo of billshmeinke
3.7/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle poured into pint glass. Extra from a trade with triptens, thanks.

Hard pour yields a one finger yellowish/cream head. Quickly resides to a layer of foam on top. Dark brown/amber in color. Not much lacing.

Smells of candied plumbs, figs, red licorice, brown sugar and toffee. Quite pungent.

Tastes of candied plumbs, figs, red licorice, brown sugar, toffee, caramel, a vague nutty characteristic and some earthy/leafy hops. A lingering sweetness and slight bitterness. Quite sweet, not enough bitterness to balance it out. Sweetness is slightly cloying after a little while.

Pretty full bodied, medium carbonation. A bit creamy. A little hot.

Pretty decent drinkability. The abv is veeeery well hidden (almost dangerously so). It is almost too sweet and candy-like. Reminiscent of sugar coated dark fruits.

billshmeinke, Apr 07, 2010
Photo of Pencible
3.7/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

2008 vintage. This poured a hazy reddish mahogany with lots of light tan head. It smelled like earthy cocoa and musty roasted barley, with some coffee and cream and molasses. It tasted like super sweet prunes and molasses and raisins, with some honey wheat and rich brown sugar. This is the definition of cloying sweetness. It was somewhat thick with a bit of carbonation, and had a lasting bittersweet aftertaste. Overall this had a strange scent for an old ale, with a powerful taste that wasn't very complex but instead just a barrage of sweet dark fruits. It had good body, and hid the alcohol fairly well. But this really needs to be sipped due to all the sugar. A decent beer, but not really one of my favorite old ales.

Pencible, Jan 01, 2010
Photo of EnemyWithin
3.7/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2010 4D Olde Ale into Duvel tulip.

Appearance - 3

Red amber with very small creamy golden head, just forming a thin rim around the circumference.

Smell – 3.5

Very malty. Molasses, brown sugar, sticky sweet malt with notes candy sugar. Spicy aroma with booze notes.

Taste - 4

Starts with a caramel, toffee body with a presence of alcohol. Near the end, a spike of brown sugar and spice, with just a mild bitterness at the end. Get a fair amount of warmth from the alcohol, but not overly powerful. Flavours improves as beer warms and opns – flavours soften up and become much improved.

Mouthfeel – 3.5

Moderate thickness, a littly sticky, not really creamy. Wondering if the little carbonation is typical. A bit of astringency from the hops.

Overall - 4

A sipper, for sure! A nice beer that shows significant improvement as it warms up. Not a style that I've had before, but in many ways it reminds me of a barley wine. At first, put off but as I tasted it more, began to enjoy it. Would have again, especially during winter. Recommend.

EnemyWithin, Aug 29, 2011
Photo of n2185
3.71/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.75

A: pours a dark brown with half a finger of beige head that recedes into a thin ring with no lacing.

S: loads of caramel malts, vanilla, toffee, and sweet breads.

T: similar to the aroma, caramel and toffee dominate with sweet breads, vanilla, and a light alcohol burn. Somewhat Port-like.

M: thick body with low carbonation, this beer is sticky sweet.

O: a pretty decent old ale overall. It's a little on the sweet side with the high alcohol, but avoids being cloying.

n2185, Feb 10, 2013
Photo of bradford
3.73/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle, 2007 version received in a trade from gkatsoris several months ago.
Pours a deep brown with reddish hues, almost opaque but a hint of light squeaks through the tulip glass just under the foam head. Off white foam with slowly dissipating lacing leaves the glass sticky after each sip.
Smells bready and nutty with hints of chocolate and carmel. No discernable hops or presence of alcohol in the nose.
Thick and creamy with a definite alcohol taste with a sweet and sticky finish.
Mouthfeel is very rich and creamy that finishes smooth and warms the mouth and throat.
Very easy drinking and an enjoyable experience.

bradford, Jan 09, 2009
Photo of Tone
3.73/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a clear, amber color. 1/4 inch head of an off-white color. Decent retention and decent lacing. Smells of alcohol, sweet malt, and slight dark citrus. Fits the style of an Old Ale. Mouth feel is sharp and crisp with an average carbonation level. Tastes of strong alcohol, sweet malt, dark citrus, slight hop, slight vanilla, and slight tart malt. Overall, a good body, but the blend is off (too strong of alcohol).

Tone, Apr 19, 2010
Photo of warnerry
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a deep brown w ruby red highlight. No head or lacing to speak of. Smells of raisins and other dark dried fruits, lots of caramel and unfortunately very apparent alcohol. The initial taste is hot alcohol, followed by raisins and figs and a bit of earthiness. Also quite a bit of sweet caramel malts and a hint of smoke. Finishes a bit bitter. Pretty full mouthfeel, but not overwhelmingly heavy. Leaves some lingering bitterness. Overall, this is a bit too fresh perhaps, as the alcohol is quite apparent. However, the alcohol presence doesn't ruin this by any means. I have a few bottles that I look forward to trying after a year or two. This is definitely a sipper, but a nice old ale. Doesn't hold up to the barrel-aged version though.

warnerry, Jul 21, 2011
Photo of augustgarage
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Received quite some time ago in trade, I forget who (thanks in any case!). 2010 vintage. Poured from a 12oz bottle into my Spirit Sippers snifter.

Coppery liquid glows a dark chestnut color when held to the light. Clear but very dark. A vigorous pour yields a pale apricot collar and surface slick. Good retention considering the age and ABV. Very fine pasty lacing and a fine sheen of lacquer is left around the rim.

Sweet, deeply malty, gently vinuous aromatics suggest burnt sugar, caramel malt, figs, dates, and berries and leather.

Potent grainy palate entry suggests an array of specialty malt, richly roasted and toasted to various degrees from light to black; a fruitiness emerges as well as does a mild sherry/port-like quality (more from fruit/alcohol than any oxidation). Hops are subdued throughout. Alcohol is strong and cuts through the flavor profile a bit much. Finishes warm and woody with an increasing dryness in the aftertaste despite the initial presence of sugars.

Medium-bodied, oily, with adequate carbonation.

A well crafted yet not entirely integrated example of the style - other than mellowing the alcohol further I'm not sure this would benefit from extended cellaring...better served to contrast a strong cheese.

augustgarage, Apr 14, 2012
Photo of DrIPA
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

DrIPA, May 30, 2013
Photo of Blanco
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

this is a huge beer at 13.5% and the alcohol is there, but is not an issue. It's mostly just warming in the chest. Flavor is intensely complex with all the variations of maltiness: caramel, toffee, butterscotch, and molasses. Hints of chocolate and tootsie roll as well. Lots of residual sweetness.

I'm not sure what I think of this. I'm generally very iffy when it comes to malty brews in the old ale/barleywine category. I dislike most, but absolutely love some. And so i keep buying them. Not sure where I fall here. It's one where I don't think I can personally appreciate everything it brings. This is a true malt lovers dream though, and as I mentioned the complexity is impressive.

Blanco, Apr 26, 2012
Photo of killcore
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

killcore, Sep 20, 2014
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3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

rpstevens, Jun 30, 2013
Photo of 4DAloveofSTOUT
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

aquired as an extra in trade with kdub87. Thanks!

Poured into tulip glass.

Appearance: ruby red body almost brownish in color. Head is light tan in color. Sone decent lacing here.

Taste: Nice malty beer with the flavor of ale yeast that makes its slf know as well. Malts taste of sweet caramel and toffee. Some dark fruits linger around in the back ground of the beer. Alcohol is present in a very minor way and has no boozy burn. Its really nice and malty!

Mouthfeel: Creamy and smooth. Full bodied and moderate carbonation.

Overall: Solid beer by Kuhnhenn. This is my first beer by this brewery. I think I prefer Founders Curmugedeon, but this beer is still on the same scale! Thanks Kirk! Up next is the Barrell aged version!

4DAloveofSTOUT, May 30, 2011
Photo of BMoney575
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sampled on 2-21-09
2007 Vintage
Reviewed from notes.

A: Off white head, deep brown, almost purple color.

S: Fruity and boozy, lots of age and oak. Very strong.

T: Quite earthy at first, strong and malty, with dark fruit and raisin flavors. Booze adds a pleasant finish.

M: Nice, about right for the style, a little thin for my tastes.

D: Good, considering the abv. Definitely a sipper.

BMoney575, Feb 22, 2009
Photo of BeerBuckeye
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

BeerBuckeye, Apr 02, 2014
Photo of DrunkinYogi
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

DrunkinYogi, Jun 30, 2013
Photo of dasmusik
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

dasmusik, May 28, 2013
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3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

swtchuck, Dec 25, 2013
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3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

rodemey2, Dec 27, 2013
Photo of Jwale73
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz. bottle courtesy of jdiddy. 2008 vintage. Pours a hazy auburn with a frothy, cream-colored two inch head. Nose suggests figs, prunes, a metallic element, as well as a savory herbal character. There's also perhaps a hint of candy and pepper. Taste is sweet, savory and a touch smokey. Mouthfeel is medium-bodied with a lively carbonation. An interesting beer, perhaps still a little young. Just not what I expected.

Jwale73, Nov 29, 2010
Photo of moshea
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

moshea, Jun 30, 2014
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 915 ratings.