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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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845 Ratings
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Ratings: 845
Reviews: 437
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 549
Gots: 193 | FT: 26
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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starrdogg

District of Columbia

3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

10-16-2013 19:41:30 | More by starrdogg
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gueuzedreg

Colorado

3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

09-22-2013 22:54:45 | More by gueuzedreg
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klegos

Michigan

3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

12-31-2013 13:51:00 | More by klegos
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2beerdogs

California

3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

04-20-2013 06:41:03 | More by 2beerdogs
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psychotia

Minnesota

3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

07-21-2012 17:11:15 | More by psychotia
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timeo

Ontario (Canada)

3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

10-29-2013 22:52:10 | More by timeo
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tom10101

Quebec (Canada)

3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

03-20-2013 20:15:28 | More by tom10101
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barleywinebrewer

New Hampshire

3.78/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

thanks to hoppymeal for this via the bw bif2. another bottle of the 2-16-05 series.

A - sort of a black / brown mix - almost brackish but not quite black. A whisp of dark tan carbonation at the edges.
S - Deep vinous raisin, toffee, notes backed but a warmth that implies strong.
T - similar to the aroma but with a sharp drop of the sweet malts and a hit of burnt / hop bite. Not enough to kill the brew but not what I would envision from the aromas.
M - full bodied, lightly carbonated, thick but not cloying. finishes dry
D - an intriguing brew. One is plenty for an evening.

The bite is a bit more than I would prefer in an aged old ale / barleywine. I'd be curious to see what a few more years would do but other than that I'd look to other brews to fortify the cellar.

Serving type: bottle

07-30-2007 15:18:18 | More by barleywinebrewer
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Gueuzedude

Arizona

3.78/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottled August 2004; Sampled February 2008
A vigorous pour produces a half-finger thick, frothy, large bubbled head that is a dark tan, lightly amber tinged color. The beer is a burnt amber color and shows brilliantly clear, though chunky, deep ruby hue when held up to the light. Rich concentrated aromatics of oxidized malt extract, sherry, buttery toffee, caramelized berry notes, chewy grain and toasted brown sugar encrusted whole grain bread. A touch of warming alcohol combines with the fruit notes to provide some soft notes reminiscent of a refined brandy. As the beer aerates a bit it becomes quite a bit more fruit focused, the berry notes become much more noticeable as the aged malt notes reminiscent of Sherry meld into the fruit character.

Sweet up front, but this seems to dry out fairly quickly. The beer is quite light bodied for its strength, but still has a fullness to it; along with the ample alcohol, the body easily makes this a sipping brew. Chewy, caramelized malt notes combine with aged Sherry flavors, fruity raisin notes and browned, whole grain bread-like notes. The hop merely play a supporting role here, but do provide some flavor to this brew; soft herbal notes are found up front and pick up some steam with a herbal, slightly astringent, bitter note by the time we get to the long, lingering finish. Actually because this beer is not overly sweet, the hop character that is here provides a nicely balanced note between hop and malt. The alcohol, while not aggressive, is most certainly here and provides a warming character that sort of radiates down my throat. The finish has a bit of dark grain character to it as well; at times hints of chocolate and perhaps a hint of roast grain becomes noticeable.

Tasty, contemplative and interesting, I have a feeling this is close to peaking. When younger I think it would have been too sweet for my tastes, but the oxidation has started to temper this brew & the still noticeable hop character adds a nice balance to the rich, layered malt character. Not bad, but something seems to keep this from being great; perhaps it is a lack of a certain rich, complexity.

Serving type: bottle

02-10-2008 03:20:49 | More by Gueuzedude
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bennetj17

Arizona

3.78/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Thanks to BigDaddyWil for this Michigan treat. Bottled Feb 16, 2005. Dark, syrupy and brown, very little visible carbonation resulting in no foam at all. Very murky/ cloudy also. Raisin, toffee, caramel and a spot of alcohol in the nose, basically a lot of malt. The flavor is much the same, rich caramel and coffee, lightly smoked, dark raspberry and cherry. The finish carries a light buttery sweetness but also some hop tang creating some bitter notes. The mouthfeel is a bit flat from the lack of carbonation, but the syrupy thickness gives it some depth still. Overall, this was a malt bomb with a bit of age on it. I think I would have preferred it younger, although I suspect many of you would enjoy it just fine as is. Worth a try...

Serving type: bottle

01-22-2007 02:57:51 | More by bennetj17
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Frozensoul327

Michigan

3.8/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Wow. Damned good beer. Brewed on 08/01/2004, drank on 06/10/2005. Poured out to a brown ale color with decent carbonation and a nice foamy cream-like head. Right off the bat, this one smells like raisins, with sweet floral notes mixed in. Woo-hoo, the booze is present in this one! Strong element of alcohol mixed with fermented fruit flavors and a toffee like aftertaste. Went down too smooth considering the power this brew packs. This will knock you firmly on your ass if you are not ready for it. Hell, it will knock you on your ass if you ARE ready for it! I would imagine as the brewer recommends, this beer would really mellow with age, and the flavors would mature. I plan on getting a sixer of this and letting it sit for a few years and see what happends. Nonetheless, a solid winner. Recommended.

Serving type: bottle

06-10-2005 22:58:22 | More by Frozensoul327
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BigDaddyWil

Michigan

3.8/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Purchased a growler for $15 at the Kuhnhenn brewery.
The Fourth Dimentia release party was on Jan 21 2006.
The beer menu states that Fourth Dimentia has an abv of 13.5%
Poured from a growler into a New Belgium tulip glass.

I sampled this at the brewery and just had to take this home. Its too bad they are not bottling this brew. Pours a very dark amber color. Just a faint amount of light can pass through. Bright ruby highlights along the outside of my glass. Absolutely no lacing, but has an oily, syrupy consistency about it. Heavy aroma of molasses, malt, candy, and dark fruits. Nice taste, very sweet, a combination of molasses, candy and maybe apple cider. It leaves with a slight alcohol burn. Slick, smooth mouthfeel and finishes slighly dry. Drinkability is tough due to the high alcohol content. Don't get me wrong, this brew has an awesome taste. But, after one glass I already have a buzz going, and I have a growler of this stuff. Looks like this will be an early night. A must try if you can get to Michigan!!!

Serving type: growler

01-29-2006 00:04:43 | More by BigDaddyWil
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steve8robin

Massachusetts

3.8/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got this beer in a recent trade, thanks Eric for tossing this one in. Been waiting to try this bad boy for a long time now so without further or do. 12oz bottle, 2010 vintage...

A: A super dark brown with some strong deep ruby red mixed in with a 1/2 inch tan head that fades at a decent rate. Very good.

S: I get some nice sweet caramel malt upfront immediately followed by some bready rye and faint grape in the middle. Some Some sweet toffee on the backend. Good.

T: I get some bready caramel quickly followed by a nice warming sensation. Some watery toffee in the middle with and faint hints of chocolate on the backend. Decent.

M: Thick and creamy with a nice carbonation. A dry finish. Good.

D: The booze is present, but not by any means overpowering or showcasing itself in the beer. Good.

All in all, this beer is definitely not as good as I would have hoped or as I've seen it rated, but it's still a good brew to try at least once if you like the style. The 2010 is 13.5% ABV and that is very surprising in this one. The alcohol is there, but not overwhelming.

Serving type: bottle

01-23-2011 01:45:45 | More by steve8robin
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Higravity

Michigan

3.8/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Well this is a definate snifter beer, the tighter the lip on the glass the better. Garnet coloring with a mild head that is gone fast. Smells of alcohol right up front but there are a lot of others things in there as well including maple, dark fruit, ripe melon, and apples like green apples. The taste is burning from the start with the alcohol but like a good scotch or brandy it only scours the tastes buds to open them up for all the taste coming afterwards. Heady malt complexity with a slight hint of char and raisins, there are some bitter hops but no flavor and again a weird green apple finish that I would call an of flavoring. I think this could have used a little more oxidation overall. The mouthfeel suffers due to the high alcohol feel the taste was fine but the burning in my throat made it a little hard. A good sipper while the weather is whatever outside.

Serving type: bottle

12-31-2005 18:24:58 | More by Higravity
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biga7346

Michigan

3.83/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A - A rusty burgundy, pours flat w/ a little soapy head and very little lacing.

N - Huge boozy notes up front flirting with suggestions of bourbon-whisky, vanilla bean, pineapple, sugar cane and toffee-ish. Reminds me of a creme brulee or tiramisu. Lots of breadiness and golden raisin maltiness.

T/M - Raisin bread, fruit cake, figs, more of that wonderful toffee-ish, candy-like bite, very boozy and warming in the finish. Leaves a sugary and resiny aftertaste that lingers. A little port-ish and I get some whiffs of nutty cheese, or maybe I'm just thinking this would be great paired with cheese. A velvety and gritty texture.

D - A total sipper, but very good. Would be tough to drink more than 1 bottle of this in a sitting.

Serving type: bottle

05-21-2011 17:44:53 | More by biga7346
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Adamdc

Massachusetts

3.83/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle poured into large snifter

A: Almost black pour that when held up to light shows ruby hues. Very minimal head that shows light lacing

S: Lots of burnt sugar and brown sugar with dark fruits (some cherries also) and booze. I can tell this is going to be 'big'!!

T: I'm hit with a very dominant sweetness! The taste mimics the aroma with the dark fruits moving to the forefront and the booze is tingling my tongue---pretty hot.

M: I must say the mouthfeel is very nice. Nicely thick and syrupy!

D: 11.8%ABV and the sweetness would limit me to only one per sitting.

I'm probably not the best judge of this beer for two reasons: I don't have alot of experience with 'Old Ales' and I've never been a big fan of 'sweet' beers. Even the 'almighty' DL is too sweet for my tastes. But with that said, it is clear that this beer is something special. There's is alot going on with all the different dark fruit aromas and tastes that are going on. I got this as an extra in a trade and it seems that it's a pretty sought after beer. I'm glad I got to try it and if the situation arises again, I'll go at it one more time!

Serving type: bottle

05-07-2010 01:38:17 | More by Adamdc
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corby112

Pennsylvania

3.83/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

2010 vintage courtesy of mikey711. Thanks again man!

Pours a dark chestnut brown color with ruby/mahogany edges and a half finger light beige head that immediately fades into a thin ring. Minimal spots of lacing left behind.

Sweet malt aroma with faint earthy hops and boozy heat. Lots of earthy oak/wood character balanced out by hints of caramel, rye and toffee. I'm also picking up some dark fruit, mostly raisin and plum and fig along with other dark berries. The nose is pretty complex with a good balance of barrel character, leathery malt and sweet notes.

Medium body and slightly syrupy with some soft carbonation and subtle spice up front. There's a slightly earthy, leathery character but this beer is bursting with sweet malt flavor. Hints of caramel, toffee, biscuit, hazelnut and rye which are countered at the end of the swallow by a boozy hot finish with a decent hop bite. There's a decent barrel presence with a good amount of oaky/wood flavor along with some more sweet booze. This beer is pretty complex but is very hot at this stage and the ABV is not very well masked. It's 13.5% and you can feel it in the finish. Definitely a sipper that should improve with time but right now it's still a bit rough.

Serving type: bottle

04-30-2011 07:31:39 | More by corby112
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Bung

Michigan

3.85/5  rDev -10%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

2008 bottling. Quite dark amber pour, zero head arises. Some stickiness to the glass. Smells wonderful. Fragrant aroma of brown sugar, malt and some floral hops. Sweet molasses, caramel/toffee up front. Mellows rather quickly into some red fruits, malt and finishes with just a miniscule hop bitterness. Certainly a beer to contemplate. Only a hint of booziness. Just a little bit thin yet. Well done, but a bit dissappointed considering this is so highly thought of. We'll see how the other 5 of these age, I have a feeling it will improve. Still very well worth trying.

Serving type: bottle

01-08-2009 03:24:34 | More by Bung
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Rastacouere

Quebec (Canada)

3.85/5  rDev -10%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Superb creamy egg shell head. Dark copper pour. Very sweet nose contains heavy brown sugar notes. French toast maple and bready richness form a sweetened candi sugar base among which the vegetal, barky and leafy hints are envelopped. Strong earthy vinous character, cognac-like smooth alcohol burn. Heavy toasted malts bring forth smoky tones that are later replaced by almost roasted grains. Complex fruitiness, very sweet, perhaps too much so, but it’s just admirable how many elements come and go before it’s over. Full bodied, smooth soft carbonation. Could be a bit drier, couldn’t be a bit more decadent.

Serving type: bottle

11-08-2005 01:11:07 | More by Rastacouere
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jrallen34

Illinois

3.85/5  rDev -10%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

My growler filled by Alex on his roadtrip, thank you very much.

Boring light brown pour with light tan head of carbonation...Aroma is really nice and complex, starts off sweet similar to the oude bruin with some light sour cherries, dark brown sugar, and a little alcohol...The taste is a let down, not as sweet, lots of grain alcohol and brown sugar, not any of the sweetness or cherries.

Better than the bottle version I've had but still only a decent beer.

Serving type: growler

09-05-2010 21:41:18 | More by jrallen34
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Khazadum

Illinois

3.88/5  rDev -9.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottle is Olde Ale 2009. Should be enough time for this to settle a bit from its 12.5% nature.

A- Deep, deep mahogany brown. Creamy top with pock marks of bubbles. Edges of the glass reveal a load of carbonation streaming up the edges.

Retention time is a bit lackluster, settled to a thin skin and moderate collar. Reminds me of oatmeal without the water. Lacing is spotty, but for the most part decent.

S- Dark fruits ahoy! We have plums and raisins sweetening the opening notes. Grapes and wine-like body... sharp alcoholic edging balances out the syrupy flavors.

T- Like the nose, I notice a large shipment of dark, sweet, fruits arriving on my tongue. From here there is a middle flavor that is interesting. Creamy... milky. Almost custard in terms of flavor. From here it is sprinkled with a heaping portion of brown sugar and begins its descent into the finish.

The entire presence is laced with alcoholic flavor. That antiseptic dry presence lifting the layers from the possibility of becoming cloying or nauseating.

Finish is thickly caramel, tons of brown sugar, and layers of bitter alcohol memories.

M- Full bodied, thick, chunky, chewy, and gaseous all at once. It hits you hard and lingers all over the place with different flavors for each location. Want some custard? Try behind the molars. Want some raisin? I think I left some under the tongue. Perhaps a caramel chew or two? Soft palate middle ways back.

D- It surely has the alcohol punch to it. Can't go balls to the wall on this monster. Sip or be punched out. It could use with a bit more time mellowing out in terms of sweetness and alcohol. Perhaps it'll age even better. I like it. I'd like to have it again in the future.

Serving type: bottle

01-04-2011 07:55:22 | More by Khazadum
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TheManiacalOne

Rhode Island

3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2009 release, acquired from raznug courtesy of the Under 100-3 BIF, so a big “Thank You” goes out to him. Poured from a 12oz bottle into a US tumbler pint glass.

A: The beer is a deep reddish brown color, with a thin light brown head that fades quickly and leaves a thin lace on the glass.

S: The aroma contains brown sugar, bourbon, caramelized malts and some hops.

T: The taste starts out sweet with flavors of bourbon, caramel and brown sugar. Then a significant alcohol sting comes in followed by a hearty malt character. The hops presence is mild but brings a decent balance. The after-taste is slightly sweet.

M: Smooth and crisp, medium body, medium carbonation, finish is slightly sticky.

D: Tasty, goes down easily, not too filling, ABV listed on the bottle is 12.50% so a very strong kick, very good representation of style, this is a solid stronger beer but there are others in the style that I would choose first.

Serving type: bottle

01-01-2012 21:44:22 | More by TheManiacalOne
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goodbyeohio

Oregon

3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

update: 2011

before consuming the next in my kuhnhenn stash, i saw the last time i had this was not so successful. this worries me. whatever. let's roll the dice!

purplish pour. big fruity & sweet aroma. i get dates, cherry pie filling, burnt sugar, rum cake, and a tinge of the esters from a big belgian dark ale. booze overwhelms the sweet (which is present), but makes this thankfully more of a sipper than a saccharine drain pour. carbonation is there but muted, nice for the heft. kind of tastes like fruity smores.. definite marshmallow and toasty graham. absolutely zero tartness or infection. this reminds me a lot of north coast old stock, just a bit bigger and more intense.

bottled 2/05... revisiting a cellared bottle. fraw notes:

murky bloodish with expansive tan foam bridges. dotty lace. smells like the garbage can the day after you throw overcooked maple bacon in it.

first sip is full of cherry acid, next is overwhelming with woody must and portish stale booze. sips get smaller and smaller as not to offend my sensitive palate (the same palate which just shared a 22oz 2007 maharaja and should be suitably adjusted to big flavors). the final sip shows some nutty toffee and carob richness but fails to overpower the essential rotten fruit funk.

this is what i imagine a non-pasteurized, fresh-cherry version of three philosophers after years of sitting on a steamy, 75 degree shelf would produce. unfortunately, this brew was stored in a temperate cellar with love and care. fridged, even, for the last few months.

F minus. this beer has disintegrated in quality. originally, in 05, i rated this beer in the 4 range. fuck that noise, it's dead to me now.

i'll take a bottle of infected creme brulee over this travesty ANY DAY.

Serving type: bottle

03-22-2007 03:05:30 | More by goodbyeohio
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mmapes

Colorado

3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Big thanks to Andrew for the trade. We opened a 2012 vintage.

Pours cloudy, murky brown. Smells of whiskey, carmel. Smells sweet - very sweet, some molasses.

First impression: sweet! Lingering finish has an herbal quality. Medicinal? Very hot. Probably needs to warm up before we can say more definitively what the taste will be.

Later sips: the herbal component stays in the back. The sweetness stays forward. Probably less balanced and interesting than my favorite Old Stock, but pretty good. Up my alley.

Nice thick mouthfeel coats the tongue.

Serving type: bottle

01-03-2014 00:49:18 | More by mmapes
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emmasdad

Colorado

3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a medium to dark brown, with a very minimal head. Aromas of honey, molasses, dark brown sugar and oak. On the palate, this one is quite boozy, with rum soaked dark fruits and more of the above sugars. An enjoyable beer, but one I wouldn't want a large quantity.

Serving type: on-tap

09-19-2010 17:04:00 | More by emmasdad
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 845 ratings.