Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 975
Reviews: 447
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 589
Gots: 216 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Ratings: 975 | Reviews: 447
Photo of Lothore
4.82/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A- Pours a deep scarlet hue carrying a small coffee head.

S- The smell is amazing and I know i'm going to blow it on the description but i'm going to try anyway. Sweet bready malt up front followed by an intoxicating dark fruit armoa, figs, possibly hints of plum which lead into a subtle hop afterthought.

T- The taste seems to be the inverse of the smell, some hops up front followed by a gentle wave of dark fruit which sweeps the palate and carries an alcohol warming with it. After that wave ebbs, a hop bitterness lingers. I am definitely going to get my hands on another one and let it age for a year or two. By far the best old ale i've ever experienced.

M- Thick with an ample amount of carbonation for the style.

D- This was such a delight to drink it is almost indescribable. I definitely would not be in the mood for this all the time but on a cold winter night I can think of nothing better.

Photo of drseamus
4.2/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Brewed on 2/16/05 so almost exactly 3 years old.

A: Poured into my Darkness glass. Very dark mahogany body with a thin ring of head around the outside of the glass.

S: Raisins, caramel, and a bunch of sweetness. Smells like an old ale should.

T: Very strong sweet raisiny flavor. Initial burst of flavor and then it fades quickly leaving a sweet caramel flavor on the tongue.

M: The viscosity of the beer itself it pretty thin but the flavor makes it seem a bit thicker. I usually expect old ales to be a bit thicker but it is very nice.

D: Not bad at all. At a recent barleywine tasting, I ended up thinking a lot of them tasted like old ales. This beer has confirmed my suspicions. It pretty much defines the style. A bit too sweet to drink a ton of though.

Photo of grandq
4.54/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

man, i just wanna stick my nose down in the bottle. smells like caramelized sugar, maple, some fig maybe. Taken altogether, this calls to mind a fresh baked rum raisin cake. Taste is sweet - all sweetness from fruits in the redish-to-brown spectrum, raisin, cherry, prune. etc. Caramel creeps along (not too much, as that's not a favorite flavor) and gives way to a slight hop bite that warms up the last few notes, leaving off with maple syrup more or less. The mouthfeel is silky smooth, not too much carbonation. An excellent sipper that isn't forcing you to sip with big alcohol, big malt, big hops - just asking you to savor. Definitely way up there in the style for me, even beats out Third Coast IMO.

Another big thank you to Hoppymeal for another great beer from Kuhnhenn.

Photo of tayner
3.46/5  rDev -19.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

this is my 100th beer review although i have tried many more than that! i think this one will give me my mug too..

anyway, It pours a deep brown with red highlights when back lit. small head that turned into a small ring that stayed around and laced some, not bad for a beer of 9.5%.

Smell was of a medicinal cherry flavor, one that is not too pleasing to me as well as a woody, earthy flavor. was this a barrel beer?

taste was sweet and sugary with alot of dark cherry, dark fig, and grapes.

It was thick and coating, not much hops to speak of to dry the palate. warming alcohol on the way down, and after the swallow.

I could barely finish this one with the vineous grape and cherry flavors. i wont seek this one out again, just not my thing, but very complex.

Photo of joepais
4.45/5  rDev +4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks kryptic for this one
Bottle poured mahogany red with a good two fingers of a reddish brown head that settles into lace
Aromas of fermented fruits prune and roasted malts the nose is quite interesting on this one
Flavors of Sweet fruit and I mean a ton of it .This is a sweet one for sure. An ever so slight alcohol taste in the end (as it warms you get a lot more toasted malts and a light hop)
Full Thick syrupy palate
A great sipper, I wish I had some more.
Well off to enjoy the rest

Photo of beaglemac
4.31/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a snifter. Very thin head with a dark mahogany red body. Smell is fruity, cherry, raisins, with a slight spice background.
Taste is unbelievable. Sweet taste (as it smells) and maybe a hint of chocolate in there. Malty malty malty. Some slight Roasted tones in there as well. A little alcohol is present, but I can barely feel/taste it. The body coats the glass after every drink.

Good work Kuhnhenn, one helluva brew there.

Photo of aforbes10
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle picked up for my by kkulacki (thanks, Konrad) at the Winter Solstice Party. Pours deep blood red and dark with a short white head and big long lacing. Smells like cherry cough syrup, blackberries, hazlenut, hints of coffee, ethanol, strong malts. A pretty amazing come-hither odor. The flavor is cough syrup-forward, with hints of cherries. Body and finish are a much more inviting bland of cherry and chocolate with smokey, almost milky malts. Alcohol storng but not overpowering. Some phenolic qualities, and a hint of bitterness. Trends towards a beer liquor. Comparison to cough syrup hard to shed and i wish that flavor were less pronounced. Thick and full-bodied. Sticky and lip-smacking. Almost chewy. Overall, its a great beer, crazy and expertly crafted. The flavor is not as refined as i remember it being from tastes in the past, but i think perhaps its just too young. Luckily i have a second botttle(!) which will be aged 6-12 mos.

Photo of atsprings
4.52/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On-tap at Tyler's In Durham, funny, this makes 4 out of 5 reviews of this beer now that state that! Served in a Kuhnhenn tulip a nice deep ruby brown with a decent head that diminished to a ring and left a slight amount of lacing. The aroma was dominated by burnt caramel. The taste was a wonderfully complex blend of dried fruits, burnt caramel, molasses and loads of barley. The beer is very heavy, but gets much smoother as it warms, more taste comes out as well, this one is certainly a sipper. This was an extremely wonderful beer, but it's certainly a sipper. I'm just hoping we see bottles of it here in NC.

Photo of letsgopens
4.22/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I liked this fella so much I just had to pop a growler in the cooler for the long trip home. Once safely home, this Olde Ale poured a deep woody ruby/brown with a light tan head that holds very well and leaves some nice walls of lace.

The aroma is very fruity and sharp. Cherry, honey and toasty malt. Sweet but not abundantly so. A good amount of dark fruit is present as well. Just a hint of booze.

Smooth and tangy. More dark fruit (date, fig) and lightly toasted malt. Caramel sweetness and tart cherry. Some apple cider character and a bit more alcohol. For such a high ABV, the booze harshness is well hidden. A hint of apricot and some other heavily fermented fruit. A tangy, acidic twang surfaces in the finish. Complex and well put together. This stuff will definitely sneak up on you if your not paying attention.

Velvety but with a distinct tanginess. Moderate carbonation cleans up the finish a bit. Some nice warmth in the finish. Great stuff, lots of elements at play. I certainly suggest you give it a try if you get the opportunity.

Photo of CWiggins
4.13/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

According to a tech sheet, provided by the bartender at Tyler's in Durham, the ABV for this brew is 13.5%.

I was given a sample of this beer by the bartender during my lunch visit to Tyler's this afternoon. Wow! What a beer! Old Ales are certainly favorites of mine, and this one ranks at the top of the versions I've sampled.

It came in a Kuhnhenn tulip glass, and was less than a pint; I'd guess it was 10 ounces. The color was dark brown, and the beige head was one-finger in width. The latter was short-lived, disintegrating into a thin lacing of bubbles around the edge of the glass in less than two minutes.

Not much of an aroma, but hints of dark, ripe fruits and sweet malts do sneak through. Oddly, I also picked up scents of alcohol; that's one characteristic I rarely discover through the nose!

The flavor is incredible. There is the strong, unmistakable presence of sweet, dark fruits, but they're balanced well by the dark malts. Essences of toffee, coffee, milk chocolate, plum, raison, and caramel can be found here. I found the maple syrup at the finish just amazing. It took a few swallows to figure out just what I was picking up there, but, sure enough, it became fairly evident soon enough. An amazing combination of flavors that finishes a little on the dry side. A silky smooth texture, combined with a medium to medium-low carbonation really aids in the "drinkability" factor with this one.

I really need to have another glass of this before it disappears. This is a rotating tap at Tyler's, soon to be replaced with Creme Brulee Java Stout by the same brewer. Enjoy, but sip and take it easy!

Photo of WeisGuy
4.41/5  rDev +3%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Had drinks at Kuhnhenn in Warren on Saturday night, but I'm enjoying 4th Dementia on-tap in Durham at Tyler's right now - strange. Served in a Kuhnhenn tulip.

a - very dark color, dark dark brown with slight burgundy highlights on the edges, big dense ivory head with very good retention considering the abv and awesome lacing - a truly beautiful beer

s - strong toffee and caramel aromas dominate the intensely malty nose, some dark fruits, raisins, plums in there as well, some booze

t - very intense tastes, big caramel and toffee up front, quite sweet and malty but not cloying, body has some rum-soaked raisin and plum, finish has more caramel and dark fruits with a nice amount of booziness and it's long-lasting

m - full-bodied, quite creamy and coating of the mouth, finish is fairly sweet, nice warming from the alcohol

d - this is definitely a sipper, but one I'd love to sip all night, taste is intense but you don't get tired of it

I'm not a big fan of Old Ales, but this beer is really amazing and very much worthy of the high reviews. Here's to hoping Kuhnhenn releases some more bottles at the upcoming release party so more BAs can enjoy this brew.

Photo of franksnbeans
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours out a muddy mohogany with a ruby hue. Big creamy head that dies quick to a thin layer with full sheets of lace throughout. Smell is very sweet and creamy. Dried dark fruit, plumb, fig, cherry, some raspberry, toffee and caramel. Taste starts a little syrupy with the fruits showing then the caramel and toffee shine through then take over the palate. Finishes a little dry. Creamy, thick and smooth as silk in the mouth. A definite sipper with its ABV that serves as a treat but no more than one per sitting. Definitely worth seeking out.

Photo of OStrungT
4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer pours a cloudy dark brown color with a slight reddish tint. It has a thin tan head. The head fades fast, leaving a small layer of head, with a decent lacing.

This beer has a very sweet aroma. It has a strong caramel malt aroma. I smell some dark fruit. Some plumbs, and figs. Behind that, I get a chocolate aroma.

This beer tastes exactly like it smells. Very sweet. A strong malty tasting beer. I taste the dark fruits as well. A slight chocolate flavor is also present.

This beer is very full bodied. It warms the throat as it goes down. It is low in carbonation, well for the style.

I doubt this beer would make a great session beer. It has a very aggressive, sweet flavor. Also, it is a little high in alcohol.

Overall: Thanks to Faro for this beer. Although not my favorite style, I do like to have one every not and again. This one is good.

Photo of DaPeculierDane
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

In many ways 4th dimension is much more like a cordial or after dinner liquor than a beer. Its viscosity appears as such and its booziness is so forthright, rich, and fiery in powerful ways. The appearance is quite pleasing – a deep crimson tinged ruby body. Truly a unique and brilliant color. Lacing is minimal to say the least but that’s highly forgivable in such a large beer. Fruity alcohol aromas dominate the nose. Raspberry, mulberry, and cherry. Then toffee and biscuits come into play and finally the whole endeavor is finished with tobacco and rounded out with vanilla. The flavor doesn’t diverge much from the nose. Dark fruits rule here as well, mostly berries but also some plum and raison. Toffee is also a large component. Herbal, boozy finish. Not drinkable in large quantities. A real after dinner sort of sipper and quite the well rounded, hyper warming, fun big beer. I would really like a growler or two of this around Christmas to sip on while sitting around the fire.

Photo of
4.75/5  rDev +11%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12oz. bottle, brewed 2/16/05.

Hazy initially, but cleared considerably even as I drank. Dark brown, with lots of ruby highlights. Small, creamy, light brown head. No lacing, but quite leggy.

Chocolate& caramel greet the nose. Some roast notes (faint). Smells very rich. Just a bit of tartness, cherries, I think. Dark fruits, plums, raisins and figs. Smells like a malt bomb!

It is! It is! It is a malt bomb! And I'm damn happy to be the target! Sweet, almost port-like in taste. Dark fruits and chocolate come out first, followed by some caramel. Roast notes, again quite faint. Alcohol there, but well hidden. Tea flavors. Herbal bitterness at the finish, more noticeable in aftertaste, provides just a bit of balance.

Heavy and coating in body. Low to almost no carbonation. Alcohol warming present with first sip. Very rich and smooth. Touch of drying near finish, probably related to alcohol content.

Not really sure how something like this could be improved! I'm a certified hop head, but this malt bomb was one of the most delicious beers I've ever drank.

Photo of TurdFurgison
4.63/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had on tap at the Kuhnhenn brewpub. I'd been wanting to try this beer for some time, and it lived up to its hype.

It was presented in a tulip-style chalice, showcasing the dark aubrun red beer with a thick, wet, and sticky tan head. Very nice looking, and the aroma wasn't as strong or barley-winey as I feared. It was malty and a little muted. Still very nice. The taste was almost doppelbocky, with rich and sweet malt flavors battling for dominance over the alcohol (13.5% based on the menu description). The malt flavors came through really nicely, and there was just a hint of alcohol burn. The mouthfeel was just as good, thick and chewy, it felt like drinking a meal. Very very nice old ale.

Photo of sinstaineddemon
4.42/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

A - this renowned old ale pours a dark red into a tulip glass with a thick smooth tan head with the beer too dark to see any but slight hints of carbonation

S - raisins are the first sensation in the aroma, followed swiftly by toffee and vanilla, with some background hints of anise

T - the taste has the same elements as the aroma, dark sweetness like that of raisins or dates up front, followed shortly by the lighter sweetness of vanilla and toffee, these flavors start of not subdued, but without intensity, but the intensity grows as the taste culminates in a big finish

M&D - smooth and mellow for such a high ABV, flavors and mouthfeel entice with every sip, one of the easier 13+% beers i have had, quite a good job, worth the 700 miles

the new menu has this beer at 13.5%

Photo of bozebus17
4.52/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 3.5

Had on-tap at the brewery.

Pours a very dark brown, almost black. There is an impressive tan head that doesn't last real long. I'm sure this is due to the high ABV. The lacing on the goblet is immense.

Smells very sweet; There are hints of caramel, toffee, and smokey notes. My mouth started watering at first sniff.

Tastes very very sweet. Roasted flavors are everywhere. There is a bittersweet finish. This beer is very creamy and heavy, almost a barley stew.

This is a great beer. It is the kind of beer that warms the heart and soul. I love it!

Photo of Matthew
4.02/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A giant thanks to Erikthered for this growler!
Poured into my tulip glass, the color is a brownish ruby with a thin whispy khaki head with tight clusters of bubbles clinging to the side of my glass.
The aroma is nice and deep and really has alot to offer. The first aroma that I can really notice is of caramel and sherry. A good amount of cherry fruitiness is also very prominent, maybe even chocolate covered cherries. Toffee and a hint of vanilla extract are also players in the aroma.
Lots of caramel and boozey sherry are first, lighter flavors of ripe cherry and something that is sort of like rawhide flow into the initial sweetness. Each sip leaves my with a smooth creamy toffee flavor and a good amount of alcohol warming. This beer is fairly boozey, but not too abrasive.
Medium bodied beer with a lower level of carbonation.
This old ale certainly offers a good amount of complexity and a nice variance of flavor. From sweet toffee, caramel and chocolate to some mild earthy and even a leathery rawhideish flavor in the finish.
The level of sweetness is high and the boozey sherry character is a key player in this beer, certainly a sipper. Not something that I could drink more than a glass of in a sitting, but very enjoyable none the less.

Photo of BlindPig
4.67/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

A- Thin creamy tan head on a dark body and when held to light a pretty clear amber body. Very little lacing is left besides a collar. Also has some very nice legs to it with a swirl.
S- Has the "old ale" aroma. A sweet caramel, cherries, dark fruits, and a very nice complex aroma. Very nice blend of smells.
T/M- Has a sweet caramel body and a huge warming of alcohol that warms the whole body. Tastes just like the aroma with the "old ale" flavor. Sweet cherries and other blends of fruits. I'm getting wood and light vanilla from it also. Light bitterness sticks on the tip of the tongue. A dry smooth finish to it along with that huge alcohol hotness. Almost candy like and very full in body. Goes down very smooth with low carbonation. It's just a great blend of complex flavors.
D- It is a big sipper but it's a great beer. I'm glad I opened it for my 400th review. Very complex and interesting flavors. I would seek this out again.

Photo of grub
4.41/5  rDev +3%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

review number 400. woohoo!

sampled on tap at the brewery.

pours very dark brown with a nice very dense light tan head. the head drops very slowly and leaves a thick sheet of lace around the glass.

aroma is great. bit of alcohol. light roast. huge bread and biscuit malts. caramel. bit of dark fruit.

wow! taste is incredible. nice warm blast of alcohol initially, then the malt. tons and tons of malt. caramel. bit of toffee. bread and biscuits toasted with jam. date and a bit o fraisin. so delicious and complex. by about half way down the 10oz glass you start to feel the warmth throughout. layers of flavour in waves, almost too hard to pick each out.

mouthfeel is excellent. silky smooth medium-low carbonation level. nice big body.

drinkability is excellent. a sipper, no doubt, but something i feel like i could sip on all day. good balance between the malt and alcohol with minimal hop presence, just the way an old ale should be. another world class beer from kuhnhenn.

Photo of barleywinebrewer
3.82/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

thanks to hoppymeal for this via the bw bif2. another bottle of the 2-16-05 series.

A - sort of a black / brown mix - almost brackish but not quite black. A whisp of dark tan carbonation at the edges.
S - Deep vinous raisin, toffee, notes backed but a warmth that implies strong.
T - similar to the aroma but with a sharp drop of the sweet malts and a hit of burnt / hop bite. Not enough to kill the brew but not what I would envision from the aromas.
M - full bodied, lightly carbonated, thick but not cloying. finishes dry
D - an intriguing brew. One is plenty for an evening.

The bite is a bit more than I would prefer in an aged old ale / barleywine. I'd be curious to see what a few more years would do but other than that I'd look to other brews to fortify the cellar.

Photo of brdc
4.09/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks Derek hoppymeal for this one.

It pours a dark, hazy brown beer with a reddish hue that has a minimal tan head with almost no retention.
A complex, delicious aroma that starts sweetish, evolving into layers of caramel, choclate milk, toffee and even some hops are quite discernible, all permeated by a powerful but pleasant alcohol.
This full-bodied brew has quite a complex taste, starting sweetish as expected, caramel-like, evolving into a hoppy bitterness, then a warming alcohol followed by a dry finish.
This "alcoholic" presence is at times too pronounced, and at the end of the beer it can get too much, compromising its drinkability.
Nonetheless, it is quite pleasant and well-crafted.

Photo of goodbyeohio
3.96/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

update: 2011

before consuming the next in my kuhnhenn stash, i saw the last time i had this was not so successful. this worries me. whatever. let's roll the dice!

purplish pour. big fruity & sweet aroma. i get dates, cherry pie filling, burnt sugar, rum cake, and a tinge of the esters from a big belgian dark ale. booze overwhelms the sweet (which is present), but makes this thankfully more of a sipper than a saccharine drain pour. carbonation is there but muted, nice for the heft. kind of tastes like fruity smores.. definite marshmallow and toasty graham. absolutely zero tartness or infection. this reminds me a lot of north coast old stock, just a bit bigger and more intense.

bottled 2/05... revisiting a cellared bottle. fraw notes:

murky bloodish with expansive tan foam bridges. dotty lace. smells like the garbage can the day after you throw overcooked maple bacon in it.

first sip is full of cherry acid, next is overwhelming with woody must and portish stale booze. sips get smaller and smaller as not to offend my sensitive palate (the same palate which just shared a 22oz 2007 maharaja and should be suitably adjusted to big flavors). the final sip shows some nutty toffee and carob richness but fails to overpower the essential rotten fruit funk.

this is what i imagine a non-pasteurized, fresh-cherry version of three philosophers after years of sitting on a steamy, 75 degree shelf would produce. unfortunately, this brew was stored in a temperate cellar with love and care. fridged, even, for the last few months.

F minus. this beer has disintegrated in quality. originally, in 05, i rated this beer in the 4 range. fuck that noise, it's dead to me now.

i'll take a bottle of infected creme brulee over this travesty ANY DAY.

Photo of Wasatch
4.44/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks stouty1 for the brew.

Brewed On: 02-16-05
Best Before: 2011

My first Kuhnhenn.

Poured into a chalice a slightly cloudy dark amber color, some carbonation, no head or lacing. The nose is of sweet/spicy malts, some hops, slight vanilla, and caramel. The taste is big of sweet malts, hops, and caramel. There's a nice oily/sweetness going on with first sip, then there's a slight dry/bitterness in the finish. Nice warming factor the whole way down. Medium body, nice rounded brew. Very drinkable, but watch out, LOL This is a very tasty Old Ale, hopefully I will get a chance to try out other Kuhnhenn brew's soon.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 975 ratings.