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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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848 Ratings
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Ratings: 848
Reviews: 437
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 551
Gots: 194 | FT: 25
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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aforbes10

Iowa

4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle picked up for my by kkulacki (thanks, Konrad) at the Winter Solstice Party. Pours deep blood red and dark with a short white head and big long lacing. Smells like cherry cough syrup, blackberries, hazlenut, hints of coffee, ethanol, strong malts. A pretty amazing come-hither odor. The flavor is cough syrup-forward, with hints of cherries. Body and finish are a much more inviting bland of cherry and chocolate with smokey, almost milky malts. Alcohol storng but not overpowering. Some phenolic qualities, and a hint of bitterness. Trends towards a beer liquor. Comparison to cough syrup hard to shed and i wish that flavor were less pronounced. Thick and full-bodied. Sticky and lip-smacking. Almost chewy. Overall, its a great beer, crazy and expertly crafted. The flavor is not as refined as i remember it being from tastes in the past, but i think perhaps its just too young. Luckily i have a second botttle(!) which will be aged 6-12 mos.

Serving type: bottle

01-09-2008 13:51:41 | More by aforbes10
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ldhughes3

Louisiana

4/5  rDev -6.5%

03-26-2013 04:51:51 | More by ldhughes3
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ritzkiss

Ontario (Canada)

3.55/5  rDev -17.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12oz bottle in a trade from Viggo - thanks a bunch man! 2008 vintage.

Pours a dark amber with a pillowy caramel head, actually quite a solid foam buildup for a barleywine/old ale. Doesn't leave any lacing though.

Nose is heavy, sweet caramel, bready malts, just a hint of fruit.

This is one sweet brew. As others have mentioned, this beer tastes a little more in line with an English barleywine than an old ale. Thick, syrupy caramel, brown sugar, bread, toast, flowery, a hint of alcohol in the finish (but for 12% it is remarkably well hidden), just the faintest hop bittering in the finish.

This one is too sweet for me; you can almost feel the sugar moving between your teeth. That said, it hides the alcohol really well and if you dig the really sweet brews this one would be sneaky dangerous. I found it all a little messy, not enough room for the individual flavors to shine through - just too sweet. Thanks again for the chance to try this one, Eric!

Serving type: bottle

09-13-2009 17:17:34 | More by ritzkiss
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Rand_ale_Thor

Wisconsin

5/5  rDev +16.8%

05-23-2013 03:24:58 | More by Rand_ale_Thor
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zoso1967

Michigan

4.15/5  rDev -3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to TCgoalie for this brew!

Pours deep reddish brown with no head at all. There is a small ring of light tan foam around the edge, and some small bubbles gathering in islands across the flat surface of the beer, but really not much going on at all.

The aroma is malty with tons of caramel, toffee, molasses and sweet dark dried fruits. Raisins, prunes and dried dark sweet cherries soaked in alcohol emerge from this beer's nose.

The flavor is extremely malt forward, but with a very nice profile. Sweet caramel, toffee and molasses blend with dark sweet cherries and a surprising amount of vanilla. There is also a definite tobacco like flavor buried deep in there that adds quite a bit of depth. I am not picking up any hops at all, but this is a 2009 bottle so likely those have all faded. This beer is not terribly complex, but the flavors that it possesses are so true and intense, that complexity is not all that missed.

The mouthfeel is fairly full and extremely smooth. There is hardly any carbonation in this beer, and I imagine that is a big contributor to that smoothness. The finish is a bit on the sticky sweet side

This is pretty much the definition of a sipper, but it is quite tasty and the perfect beer to slowly enjoy over a long period of time. Not the best old ale I have ever had, but a quality example.

Serving type: bottle

09-19-2010 19:16:52 | More by zoso1967
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mrasskicktastic

New Jersey

4.47/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - A fairly dark brown color with a half a finger of short-lived head with a thin ring of lacing that forms. Specks of lacing adorn the glass throughout.

S - Concord grape juice, dark red fruit juices - cherries and blackberries. A bit of dates and figs.

T - Excellent. The foretaste is dominated by a truly fantastic presentation of blackberries. The aftertaste is mostly grape with a fruity bitterness.

M - Smooth, thin, slick and very refreshing.

D - Awesome. Too strong to session. The bitterness is of a type that detracts from teh drinkability, but it would be better with food. If I ever find it again, I will have it again. Why doesn't Kuhnhenn distribute more?!? This is the only Kuhnhenn beer I have had and it is simply amazing. I hope to get my hands on many more of their beers. Hopefully I can make it up to their brewpub one day.

Serving type: bottle

12-11-2006 02:32:48 | More by mrasskicktastic
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BlissJunkie

Michigan

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

01-14-2013 18:03:22 | More by BlissJunkie
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BMoney575

Texas

3.75/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sampled on 2-21-09
2007 Vintage
Reviewed from notes.

A: Off white head, deep brown, almost purple color.

S: Fruity and boozy, lots of age and oak. Very strong.

T: Quite earthy at first, strong and malty, with dark fruit and raisin flavors. Booze adds a pleasant finish.

M: Nice, about right for the style, a little thin for my tastes.

D: Good, considering the abv. Definitely a sipper.

Serving type: bottle

02-22-2009 20:24:46 | More by BMoney575
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rrski198

Georgia

4.75/5  rDev +11%

01-11-2014 05:12:27 | More by rrski198
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alpinebryant

Connecticut

4.65/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

From trade with Scoot69 Thanks!

A: Pour is a crystal clear chestnut brown with a small light tannish white head

S: Aroma of heavy toffee, thick roasted malt, sweet barleywine / old ale aroma of marshmallow, caramelized sugars. Booze aroma.

T: Delicious light Toffee flavors , with heavy sugar Caramelization. The label says toasted marshmellow and is definitely accurate. There is definitely a booze presence in this and I am happy for it. This is an old ale and I expect that out of a good BW / OA ... The amazing thing about this Old ale is that it has not been barrel aged yet has a frightening ability to convince me that there are oak barrel flavors in here. Plenty of vanilla with the toasted marshmallow taste. Golden graham / graham cracker finish with a little dryness.

M: Light to medium for the style in mouthfeel with a light carbonation.

O: applause

Serving type: bottle

04-21-2011 23:45:40 | More by alpinebryant
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facesnorth

Pennsylvania

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

04-26-2014 04:08:32 | More by facesnorth
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zrab11

Indiana

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

01-09-2013 02:03:11 | More by zrab11
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barleywinebrewer

New Hampshire

3.78/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

thanks to hoppymeal for this via the bw bif2. another bottle of the 2-16-05 series.

A - sort of a black / brown mix - almost brackish but not quite black. A whisp of dark tan carbonation at the edges.
S - Deep vinous raisin, toffee, notes backed but a warmth that implies strong.
T - similar to the aroma but with a sharp drop of the sweet malts and a hit of burnt / hop bite. Not enough to kill the brew but not what I would envision from the aromas.
M - full bodied, lightly carbonated, thick but not cloying. finishes dry
D - an intriguing brew. One is plenty for an evening.

The bite is a bit more than I would prefer in an aged old ale / barleywine. I'd be curious to see what a few more years would do but other than that I'd look to other brews to fortify the cellar.

Serving type: bottle

07-30-2007 15:18:18 | More by barleywinebrewer
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axeman9182

New Jersey

4.13/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle courtesy of WeisGuy. This 2010 vintage was allowed to warm some before being poured into my petit Duvel tulip.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia pours a deep mahogany, with a couple spots of ruby appearing once the beer’s backlit. There are maybe two fingers worth of khaki colored head crowning the beer, and head retention and lacing are just alright. The nose has a bevy of malty notes bouncing around. Light chocolate, caramel, burnt sugar, and a little bit of marshmallow all show up and blend together for a killer aroma. The flavor profile can’t quite keep up the same balanced complexity though. Caramel and burnt sugar move up from ensemble players in the aroma to the main attraction here. Milk chocolate falls way into the background, while the suggestion of marshmallow disappears. The mouthfeel is full bodied, but as rich as t could have been for 13.5% ABV. The carbonation is pleasantly understated, and there’s a pleasant warming sensation from the alcohol. Overall Fourth Dementia is a wonderful beer. I can see why I enjoyed the barrel aged version so much.

Serving type: bottle

03-04-2012 05:31:49 | More by axeman9182
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meathookjones

Virginia

4.97/5  rDev +16.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Many thanks go to Ben for sharing such an awesome and unique brew with me. Pours out a deep dark brown with a nice sized tan head. Strings of lace were left coating the glass and the head was revived easily with a few swirls of the snifter. Upon first smell of this brew I new this would become a favorite of mine. There was just so much going on I knew I would need more than this one to figure it all out. Smokiness was big as was the chocolate and roasted malt. Some dark fruit and earthy/woody notes were in there as well. Damn there was so much going on I sat there for a while with my nose just in the glass trying to take it all in. The taste was just as complex and enjoyable as the aroma. Dark fruits, molasses, chocolate malt and smoke seem to be the most upfront flavors. An assortment of other flavors were present as well spice, caramel, alcohol, woodiness and everything else you could imagine. Wow this is one amazing brew. The full thick body leaves your mouth coated in sticky flavor that seems to stay with you forever. Drinkability is insane, every sip leaves you wanted more to discover new things about the beer. If this was available locally I would clean the shelves of it, I guess that’s were the dementia comes in.

Serving type: bottle

02-25-2005 16:51:19 | More by meathookjones
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AdamP

Pennsylvania

4/5  rDev -6.5%

03-15-2014 17:05:24 | More by AdamP
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joepais

Maine

4.45/5  rDev +4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks kryptic for this one
Bottle poured mahogany red with a good two fingers of a reddish brown head that settles into lace
Aromas of fermented fruits prune and roasted malts the nose is quite interesting on this one
Flavors of Sweet fruit and I mean a ton of it .This is a sweet one for sure. An ever so slight alcohol taste in the end (as it warms you get a lot more toasted malts and a light hop)
Full Thick syrupy palate
A great sipper, I wish I had some more.
Well off to enjoy the rest

Serving type: bottle

01-17-2008 21:02:40 | More by joepais
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sgoro

Illinois

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

03-22-2013 02:34:11 | More by sgoro
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ATPete

New Jersey

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

01-05-2012 21:13:04 | More by ATPete
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Gotti311

Wisconsin

4.75/5  rDev +11%

12-27-2013 19:29:47 | More by Gotti311
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connecticutpoet

Connecticut

4.88/5  rDev +14%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Bottled 8-1-04, best before 2010. 11% ABV. Seems like the one most people have been reviewing recently.

This one poured into my chalice a clear, deep ruby red, with absolutely no head. An extremely thin line of foam was evident where the ale met the glass.

Aroma was incredibly complex. Sweet dark fruits, oaken notes, and a rich malt core. There was a little tang of alcohol. Excellent.

Taste... WOW! I am not a huge fan of old ales, but this one was incredible! I loved Adam, but this one blew it away. Dark fruits, rich lightly roasted malts, and definite sweetness. Alcohol was present but restrained, in perfect proportion.

Mouthfeel was thick, rich, and syrupy. It coated the tongue with flavor and held it there.

Drinkability was wonderful. I would gladly have two or three of these at a sitting, and pace myself accordingly. This one just got better as it warmed in the glass. I could see myself enjoying this one again and again, were it available in my area.

Hearty thanks to Erik in Michigan for the trade!

Serving type: bottle

11-13-2005 03:06:06 | More by connecticutpoet
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jkane101

New Jersey

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

08-11-2013 01:41:45 | More by jkane101
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steve8robin

Massachusetts

3.8/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got this beer in a recent trade, thanks Eric for tossing this one in. Been waiting to try this bad boy for a long time now so without further or do. 12oz bottle, 2010 vintage...

A: A super dark brown with some strong deep ruby red mixed in with a 1/2 inch tan head that fades at a decent rate. Very good.

S: I get some nice sweet caramel malt upfront immediately followed by some bready rye and faint grape in the middle. Some Some sweet toffee on the backend. Good.

T: I get some bready caramel quickly followed by a nice warming sensation. Some watery toffee in the middle with and faint hints of chocolate on the backend. Decent.

M: Thick and creamy with a nice carbonation. A dry finish. Good.

D: The booze is present, but not by any means overpowering or showcasing itself in the beer. Good.

All in all, this beer is definitely not as good as I would have hoped or as I've seen it rated, but it's still a good brew to try at least once if you like the style. The 2010 is 13.5% ABV and that is very surprising in this one. The alcohol is there, but not overwhelming.

Serving type: bottle

01-23-2011 01:45:45 | More by steve8robin
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ChrisPro

Illinois

4/5  rDev -6.5%

01-19-2013 19:12:27 | More by ChrisPro
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HarmonMW

Missouri

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

05-14-2013 01:28:03 | More by HarmonMW
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 848 ratings.