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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 863
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 556
Gots: 198 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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jjayjaye

New York

4.83/5  rDev +12.9%

Pours a cloudy dark brown color with better than a full finger foamy light tan head, leaving sheets of lacing in its wake. The smell is amazing. An aggressive dark fruit fig and sweet molasses aroma. I'm REALLY taken in by the smell to the point of distraction; maybe i ought to take a mouthful. Wow, what a kick in the pants!. The mouth feel is first very creamy and medium large bodied. The fig of the nose comes through really strong in the flavor then its overwhelmed by an intense molasses taste. Quite sweet. The 9.5. ABV is warming to be sure. I'm not finding that level of alcohol distracting. I'm assessing the weight to be something that i wouldn't session (if i had a frig full of them...which, i don't), but I find it a cinch to drink and I'm savoring the balance as best I can. Lightly carbonated, there is plenty of the alcohol coming through on subsequent mouthfuls and the dark fruit character is lingering nicely. This one is unique and imaginative to be sure; BRAVO!Thanks a lot for the trade Matt.

02-09-2008 20:25:43 | More by jjayjaye
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dfillius

Michigan

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

11-26-2013 05:06:10 | More by dfillius
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pwoods

Ohio

4.6/5  rDev +7.5%

Bottle clearly states 11.8% ABV

Second Review:
Thanks to Kels for picking me up a bottle of this while you were in Detroit to watch a big time wrestling pay per view.... >.>

This bottle was much better than the first that I had. Carbonation was much stronger and helped tie the flavors together. This also majorly helped the feel which made it much thicker and completely smooth. A large head formed and help for quite a bit and helped the aroma flood my nose. This beer could definitely be dangerous if you're not careful as it stupidly easy to drink.

First Review:
Thanks to Hoppymeal for this great trade.

12oz. brown bottle poured into a snifter.

A: Pours a very deep mahogany with nearly no visibility. Very little carbonation even after a rough pour. Basically no head or lacing.

S: Dark, sugary fruits soaked in alcohol. Raisins and cooked cherry's. Sweet malts, deeply cooked sugar and honey. Alcohol is very present but not stinging or abrassive, nicely mellowed.

T/M: Some weak signs of oxidation. Super sweet caramel malts with more of the thick honey. Dark plump raisins and cooked cherry's and plums. The carbonation is basically not there which is a little disappointing.

D: Great sipper and drinks relatively easy for an Old Ale.

11-21-2008 21:33:17 | More by pwoods
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Beertracker

Oklahoma

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Kuhnhenn's Fourth Dementia (Olde Ale 2008)[11.8%] pours up with an excessive amount of carbonation that foams upon release of the crown creating a volumous craggy beigish-cream colored head that envelopes the glass above the murky chestnut brown body. The head retention is rather pour, but expected given the alcohol%. The aroma is extremely complex with layer upon layers of meloidins & maltiness with secondary notes of apple butter, caramel flan, maple syrup, treacle pudding & vanilla custard that changes with each whiff. Alcohol is noted, but certainly well integrated. Hint of oxidation is beginning to creep in. The flavor is extremely generous with a sweet, but not overly cloying caramel richness supported by a wonderfully inviting toastiness e.g. buttered pecan/pralines with some chocolate notes and hoards of maple goodness e.g. maple cream cookies that gives way to just a bit of earthen bitterness offering a bittersweet candy finish that warms the soul with its surreptitious alcoholic strength. This full bodied old ale is overly effervescent per style, quite chewy & lacks some finesse, but don't let that stop you from partaking in this wonderful elixir. KbC's 4D is truly American in origin, but carries a unique old world charm. Enjoy the Madness!

CHEERS! Beertracker

01-09-2012 05:04:31 | More by Beertracker
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AKBelgianBeast

Alaska

4.15/5  rDev -3%

Big thanks to mymnmmgjckt for the bottle.

Pours an ominously murky, nearly impenetrable brown with a very nice off white almost manilla head that lingers very well and leaves good lacing.

Nose is full of dark fruit, prune and plum with some sweet sugars and alcohol. Smells very similar to an english BW.

Wow. More carbonated than i was expected. Taste is incredibly rich and thick. Huge dark fruit flavors. Figs, prunes, plums, all nice and glazed with some kind of alcohol. Very sugary and sweet, with alot of BW flavors. The finish is mildly bitter, and the aftertaste is full of booze and sugar.

Mouthfeel is nice and viscous, but slightly overcarbonated for the style, IMO. Very chewy, but just under the cloying borderline.

Drinkability is good for the style, but nothing amazing. The alcohol is still pretty apparent, and this one is VERY close to cloying.

Overall this is a fine beer. If old ales and barleywines are your thing, you will definitely love this one. Great sweet flavors and incredible potential for cellaring. Would love to get ahold of a couple more of these to put some time on. An excellent beer.

09-22-2009 03:45:55 | More by AKBelgianBeast
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ObeMaltKinobee

Illinois

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

04-07-2012 03:42:54 | More by ObeMaltKinobee
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AdamP

Pennsylvania

4/5  rDev -6.5%

03-15-2014 17:05:24 | More by AdamP
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VonZipper

New York

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

06-14-2012 20:27:34 | More by VonZipper
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FrankHammer

Michigan

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

10-21-2013 16:05:48 | More by FrankHammer
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Rand_ale_Thor

Wisconsin

5/5  rDev +16.8%

05-23-2013 03:24:58 | More by Rand_ale_Thor
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BeerTruth

Connecticut

4.45/5  rDev +4%

Thanks to saucya and Kan from RB for this highly rated Kuhnhenn brew.

12 oz. bottle allowed to warm up some before pouring into a nonic. 2007 vintage.

A style I'm not too crazy for, but this is supposed to be the best of 'em so let's give it a go.

Pours a deep brown with an amber outline. Two fingers of tan head top this beer that dies down to a creamy layer leaving some nice webbing on the sides of the glass. Smell is of ripe dark fruits and oak. Very interesting merlot aroma, not strong, and very pleasant. Rich caramel, thick molasses, and a hint of booze in the nose as well. Raisins and fig on the tongue first followed by an interesting piney hop flavor. Winey oak and dark cherries with some booze towards the end. Aftertaste is somewhat dry with hints of dates and brandy. Lots of malt throughout, but hops are there too. Medium to full body with a rich and creamy feel. Carbonation is light, but complements the mouthfeel so well. The alcohol is there, so this one is a sipper for sure. Very complex flavors, interested to see what some age would do to this.

04-13-2008 01:07:49 | More by BeerTruth
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Chingringo

Florida

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

04-14-2014 21:55:47 | More by Chingringo
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MaltyGoodness

Pennsylvania

4/5  rDev -6.5%

12oz. bottle brewed on 8/1/04 and best before 2010. Labels lists this as 11% ABV. Bottle provided by Frozensoul327.

Pours a dark chestnut brown with a white head that fades to a ring around the inside of the glass. Sparse lacing.

Smells sweet and malty with an ample amount of hops. I get some light nutty and chocloatey tones mixed in as well. A hint of booze ecapes now and then just to remind you that it's 11% ABV.

Sweet and malty upfront with some nice caramel and chocolate undertones. A nice bitter wave of hops rushes in for a monent and then actually finishes rather sweet. A MONSTER flavor, not for the weak of palate.

Big fat belly on this girl. I wouldn't expect less, with such a big flavor.

Rather drinkable for such a big beer. I probably consumed the bottle a little too quickly....

01-05-2006 03:33:18 | More by MaltyGoodness
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aforbes10

Iowa

4.3/5  rDev +0.5%

Bottle picked up for my by kkulacki (thanks, Konrad) at the Winter Solstice Party. Pours deep blood red and dark with a short white head and big long lacing. Smells like cherry cough syrup, blackberries, hazlenut, hints of coffee, ethanol, strong malts. A pretty amazing come-hither odor. The flavor is cough syrup-forward, with hints of cherries. Body and finish are a much more inviting bland of cherry and chocolate with smokey, almost milky malts. Alcohol storng but not overpowering. Some phenolic qualities, and a hint of bitterness. Trends towards a beer liquor. Comparison to cough syrup hard to shed and i wish that flavor were less pronounced. Thick and full-bodied. Sticky and lip-smacking. Almost chewy. Overall, its a great beer, crazy and expertly crafted. The flavor is not as refined as i remember it being from tastes in the past, but i think perhaps its just too young. Luckily i have a second botttle(!) which will be aged 6-12 mos.

01-09-2008 13:51:41 | More by aforbes10
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ritzkiss

Ontario (Canada)

3.55/5  rDev -17.1%

12oz bottle in a trade from Viggo - thanks a bunch man! 2008 vintage.

Pours a dark amber with a pillowy caramel head, actually quite a solid foam buildup for a barleywine/old ale. Doesn't leave any lacing though.

Nose is heavy, sweet caramel, bready malts, just a hint of fruit.

This is one sweet brew. As others have mentioned, this beer tastes a little more in line with an English barleywine than an old ale. Thick, syrupy caramel, brown sugar, bread, toast, flowery, a hint of alcohol in the finish (but for 12% it is remarkably well hidden), just the faintest hop bittering in the finish.

This one is too sweet for me; you can almost feel the sugar moving between your teeth. That said, it hides the alcohol really well and if you dig the really sweet brews this one would be sneaky dangerous. I found it all a little messy, not enough room for the individual flavors to shine through - just too sweet. Thanks again for the chance to try this one, Eric!

09-13-2009 17:17:34 | More by ritzkiss
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rrski198

Georgia

4.75/5  rDev +11%

01-11-2014 05:12:27 | More by rrski198
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zoso1967

Michigan

4.15/5  rDev -3%

Thanks to TCgoalie for this brew!

Pours deep reddish brown with no head at all. There is a small ring of light tan foam around the edge, and some small bubbles gathering in islands across the flat surface of the beer, but really not much going on at all.

The aroma is malty with tons of caramel, toffee, molasses and sweet dark dried fruits. Raisins, prunes and dried dark sweet cherries soaked in alcohol emerge from this beer's nose.

The flavor is extremely malt forward, but with a very nice profile. Sweet caramel, toffee and molasses blend with dark sweet cherries and a surprising amount of vanilla. There is also a definite tobacco like flavor buried deep in there that adds quite a bit of depth. I am not picking up any hops at all, but this is a 2009 bottle so likely those have all faded. This beer is not terribly complex, but the flavors that it possesses are so true and intense, that complexity is not all that missed.

The mouthfeel is fairly full and extremely smooth. There is hardly any carbonation in this beer, and I imagine that is a big contributor to that smoothness. The finish is a bit on the sticky sweet side

This is pretty much the definition of a sipper, but it is quite tasty and the perfect beer to slowly enjoy over a long period of time. Not the best old ale I have ever had, but a quality example.

09-19-2010 19:16:52 | More by zoso1967
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mrasskicktastic

New Jersey

4.47/5  rDev +4.4%

A - A fairly dark brown color with a half a finger of short-lived head with a thin ring of lacing that forms. Specks of lacing adorn the glass throughout.

S - Concord grape juice, dark red fruit juices - cherries and blackberries. A bit of dates and figs.

T - Excellent. The foretaste is dominated by a truly fantastic presentation of blackberries. The aftertaste is mostly grape with a fruity bitterness.

M - Smooth, thin, slick and very refreshing.

D - Awesome. Too strong to session. The bitterness is of a type that detracts from teh drinkability, but it would be better with food. If I ever find it again, I will have it again. Why doesn't Kuhnhenn distribute more?!? This is the only Kuhnhenn beer I have had and it is simply amazing. I hope to get my hands on many more of their beers. Hopefully I can make it up to their brewpub one day.

12-11-2006 02:32:48 | More by mrasskicktastic
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BlissJunkie

Michigan

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

01-14-2013 18:03:22 | More by BlissJunkie
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alpinebryant

Connecticut

4.65/5  rDev +8.6%

From trade with Scoot69 Thanks!

A: Pour is a crystal clear chestnut brown with a small light tannish white head

S: Aroma of heavy toffee, thick roasted malt, sweet barleywine / old ale aroma of marshmallow, caramelized sugars. Booze aroma.

T: Delicious light Toffee flavors , with heavy sugar Caramelization. The label says toasted marshmellow and is definitely accurate. There is definitely a booze presence in this and I am happy for it. This is an old ale and I expect that out of a good BW / OA ... The amazing thing about this Old ale is that it has not been barrel aged yet has a frightening ability to convince me that there are oak barrel flavors in here. Plenty of vanilla with the toasted marshmallow taste. Golden graham / graham cracker finish with a little dryness.

M: Light to medium for the style in mouthfeel with a light carbonation.

O: applause

04-21-2011 23:45:40 | More by alpinebryant
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BMoney575

Texas

3.75/5  rDev -12.4%

Sampled on 2-21-09
2007 Vintage
Reviewed from notes.

A: Off white head, deep brown, almost purple color.

S: Fruity and boozy, lots of age and oak. Very strong.

T: Quite earthy at first, strong and malty, with dark fruit and raisin flavors. Booze adds a pleasant finish.

M: Nice, about right for the style, a little thin for my tastes.

D: Good, considering the abv. Definitely a sipper.

02-22-2009 20:24:46 | More by BMoney575
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zrab11

Indiana

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

01-09-2013 02:03:11 | More by zrab11
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barleywinebrewer

New Hampshire

3.78/5  rDev -11.7%

thanks to hoppymeal for this via the bw bif2. another bottle of the 2-16-05 series.

A - sort of a black / brown mix - almost brackish but not quite black. A whisp of dark tan carbonation at the edges.
S - Deep vinous raisin, toffee, notes backed but a warmth that implies strong.
T - similar to the aroma but with a sharp drop of the sweet malts and a hit of burnt / hop bite. Not enough to kill the brew but not what I would envision from the aromas.
M - full bodied, lightly carbonated, thick but not cloying. finishes dry
D - an intriguing brew. One is plenty for an evening.

The bite is a bit more than I would prefer in an aged old ale / barleywine. I'd be curious to see what a few more years would do but other than that I'd look to other brews to fortify the cellar.

07-30-2007 15:18:18 | More by barleywinebrewer
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axeman9182

New Jersey

4.13/5  rDev -3.5%

12oz bottle courtesy of WeisGuy. This 2010 vintage was allowed to warm some before being poured into my petit Duvel tulip.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia pours a deep mahogany, with a couple spots of ruby appearing once the beer’s backlit. There are maybe two fingers worth of khaki colored head crowning the beer, and head retention and lacing are just alright. The nose has a bevy of malty notes bouncing around. Light chocolate, caramel, burnt sugar, and a little bit of marshmallow all show up and blend together for a killer aroma. The flavor profile can’t quite keep up the same balanced complexity though. Caramel and burnt sugar move up from ensemble players in the aroma to the main attraction here. Milk chocolate falls way into the background, while the suggestion of marshmallow disappears. The mouthfeel is full bodied, but as rich as t could have been for 13.5% ABV. The carbonation is pleasantly understated, and there’s a pleasant warming sensation from the alcohol. Overall Fourth Dementia is a wonderful beer. I can see why I enjoyed the barrel aged version so much.

03-04-2012 05:31:49 | More by axeman9182
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meathookjones

Virginia

4.97/5  rDev +16.1%

Many thanks go to Ben for sharing such an awesome and unique brew with me. Pours out a deep dark brown with a nice sized tan head. Strings of lace were left coating the glass and the head was revived easily with a few swirls of the snifter. Upon first smell of this brew I new this would become a favorite of mine. There was just so much going on I knew I would need more than this one to figure it all out. Smokiness was big as was the chocolate and roasted malt. Some dark fruit and earthy/woody notes were in there as well. Damn there was so much going on I sat there for a while with my nose just in the glass trying to take it all in. The taste was just as complex and enjoyable as the aroma. Dark fruits, molasses, chocolate malt and smoke seem to be the most upfront flavors. An assortment of other flavors were present as well spice, caramel, alcohol, woodiness and everything else you could imagine. Wow this is one amazing brew. The full thick body leaves your mouth coated in sticky flavor that seems to stay with you forever. Drinkability is insane, every sip leaves you wanted more to discover new things about the beer. If this was available locally I would clean the shelves of it, I guess that’s were the dementia comes in.

02-25-2005 16:51:19 | More by meathookjones
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 863 ratings.