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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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849 Ratings
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Ratings: 849
Reviews: 437
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 551
Gots: 197 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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korguy123

Ontario (Canada)

4.7/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Most recent batch into Kuhnhenn snifter/tulip (They call it their "Belgian" glass)

A- Super murky, almost black pour with just a thin light tan ring around the glass. Lacing is spotty but the alcohol just grips the glass.

S- Wow, okay... where to begin. Huge brown sugar, vanilla, plum, raisin with a nice coffee, chocolate and molasses sweetness in the back. Slight leather and tobacco. The alcohol is super hidden. I don't know if this makes sense but is smells syrupy and sticky.

T- My goodness... Massive raisins and dates and figs, followed by huge char taste of toast and tobacco. Coffee and chocolate followed by vanilla, brown sugar and molasses. The finish is bitter and something I would describe of grape skins.

M- Like I guessed in the aroma it's syrupy and sticky. Heavier than medium bodied, super low carbonation with a touch of alcohol warmth.

O- This is something I've been wanting to try since I found out about Kuhnhenn. It really doesn't disappoint. After driving all through Michigan and stopping there before leaving the country I was happy to get 4 of these AND 4 of the bourbon version. I love this and can't wait to try the other.

Serving type: bottle

04-11-2012 23:26:22 | More by korguy123
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scootny

New York

4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

2010 bottle. A murky dark mahogany with lots of chunks floating and swirling around. Some lace and a remnants of the light wispy head sitting on top. Smell is a fusion of brandy/rum and beer with a heavy sweetness and lots of burnt sugar flowing into a heavy alcoholic presence. Some bits of dark roasted grains and yeasty fruitiness. Chocolate laps at the nose. Raisins and figs in there as well. Taste is densely sweet with the aforementioned raisins and figs. Notes of coffee and bitter cocoa powder. Hops are here in abundance and still they barely control the massive sugar content of this ale. Earthy in character and mildly pungent they bring a semblance of balance to this beer. Feel is thick. Thick like a sandwich from the Carnegie Deli in NYC, ( You can get four slices of extra bread and still have to stretch your mouth to bite it ). Carbonation is mild and gentle with enough pop to break up the syrupy, sticky nectar. This is a beer equivalent to Napoleon Brandy with a warming quality that keeps your swallows in check. Try to pound this one and you are lost cause. Sip, savor and warm up as you indulge your senses in this one. While it may work with sweeter desserts I'm thinking nuts and full flavored cheeses as a perfect compliment to this one.

Serving type: bottle

04-03-2013 03:37:49 | More by scootny
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yamar68

Minnesota

4.23/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Huge thanks to antlerwrestler19 for this one - 2011 vintage:

Such a raw looking beer. Deep, dark brown coffee body with an edge of ruby clarity that shows silky beading and a good amount of sexy legs and lace.

Gigantic dessert aromas explode from the glass... caramel, toffee, graham cracker, molasses, sweet grain... beautiful. It's a mellow sense of sweetness - it's not big enough to hide a big booze bill which is perfect because that wouldn't be necessary. The alcohol is surprisingly approachable; I don't know what keeps it in check. A touch of leather and s'more seem to do the trick.

A good amount of grape soda and tobacco surfaces on the palate. Some of that warming liqueur type flavor dries things up. Lots of toasted bread crusts and big grain flavors. There's a somewhat metallic finish that lingers over all of those surprisingly palatable malt notes. It's big. It's complex. It's tasty.

Serving type: bottle

02-25-2013 23:02:57 | More by yamar68
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scottoale

California

4.68/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2008 Vintage, an extra from a most generous trader, hoppymeal. Thanks a million D! The brown 12oz. long-neck pours into my Chimay chalice a deep rootbeer-ruby with great clarity and about a 1/2" of khaki, dense foam. Subtle, yet perfect carbonation for this style.

Sweet and malty, estery fruity nose that unfolds with complexity as it warms. Reminds me of sweet mead and raw honey. Dark ripe fruits as well and some grassy hops in the background.

Very sweet and fruity upfront, tasting alot like honeysuckle nectar, right off the flower. Malty notes of caramel and tropical fruit follow. The alcohol comes into play at this point and adds complexity and turns to the pleasant grassy hop bitter finish, with a touch of warmth. The ABV stated on the label is 11.8%, which keeps this brew to a sipper pace. Overall really sweet, with just enough balance to make the flavors shine...tasty stuff!

Full complex body with dialed carbonation and the flavor of an Old Ale like no other...very unique indeed. Would love to try this with even more age on it and will seek it in the future.

Serving type: bottle

01-24-2009 22:03:14 | More by scottoale
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Rastacouere

Quebec (Canada)

3.85/5  rDev -10%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Superb creamy egg shell head. Dark copper pour. Very sweet nose contains heavy brown sugar notes. French toast maple and bready richness form a sweetened candi sugar base among which the vegetal, barky and leafy hints are envelopped. Strong earthy vinous character, cognac-like smooth alcohol burn. Heavy toasted malts bring forth smoky tones that are later replaced by almost roasted grains. Complex fruitiness, very sweet, perhaps too much so, but it’s just admirable how many elements come and go before it’s over. Full bodied, smooth soft carbonation. Could be a bit drier, couldn’t be a bit more decadent.

Serving type: bottle

11-08-2005 01:11:07 | More by Rastacouere
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TheRuss9585

Vermont

4/5  rDev -6.5%

05-14-2013 00:20:42 | More by TheRuss9585
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Chingringo

Florida

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

04-14-2014 21:55:47 | More by Chingringo
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Norseman

Illinois

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

01-12-2014 20:42:55 | More by Norseman
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BostonHops

Massachusetts

4.15/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle served in a snifter.

pours a murky, deep amber / mahogany tone while yielding a short-lived 1/4" beige head - to be expected given the big ABV here. the nose is fairly complex and enticing, offering a lot of dark fruit, caramel / toffee, molasses, and some vanilla. alcohol presence also evident.

all of the aforementioned pull through in the flavor. big dark fruit and caramel / toffee presence mingles with secondary notes of molasses, vanilla, and a touch of anise. chewy, full bodied mouthfeel with slightly below average carbonation.

overall there's a lot to like here; very, very tasty brew. (the barrel aged version, however, is in another league.)

(originally reviewed: 01-30-2012)

Serving type: bottle

06-23-2012 03:54:48 | More by BostonHops
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RBassSFHOPit2ME

California

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

03-11-2014 01:06:25 | More by RBassSFHOPit2ME
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Rempo

Indiana

4/5  rDev -6.5%

11-20-2011 17:25:22 | More by Rempo
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Blanco

Pennsylvania

3.75/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

this is a huge beer at 13.5% and the alcohol is there, but is not an issue. It's mostly just warming in the chest. Flavor is intensely complex with all the variations of maltiness: caramel, toffee, butterscotch, and molasses. Hints of chocolate and tootsie roll as well. Lots of residual sweetness.

I'm not sure what I think of this. I'm generally very iffy when it comes to malty brews in the old ale/barleywine category. I dislike most, but absolutely love some. And so i keep buying them. Not sure where I fall here. It's one where I don't think I can personally appreciate everything it brings. This is a true malt lovers dream though, and as I mentioned the complexity is impressive.

Serving type: bottle

04-26-2012 02:48:06 | More by Blanco
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mtbdonn

Colorado

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

04-01-2014 03:05:43 | More by mtbdonn
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OldFrothingSlosh

Pennsylvania

4.47/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. bottle courtesy of Frozensoul327. Brewed on 08-01-04. Best before 2010.

Color is a chunky-murky deep brown with amber notes. Despite the aggressive pour, there's little, if any, head to speak of. Just a tiny ring of tan froth 'round the edges. Aromas step up with a wonderfully-balanced blend of dark fruit, candied sugar, some extract of vanilla, and some oaken notes. Flavor is so very mellow. Delicate pattern of the dark druits again, drizzled with melted caramel sugar. Some vinous notes seep in towards the middle and are cleansed away by the bitterness mingled with brown sugar sweetness mixed with Heath bar chunks. Where is the alcohol in this bad boy? Only glimpses can be detected. Extremely smooth on the palate. The low levels of carbonation really "thicken" this up. One to definitely savor on this cold winter's night.

Extreme thanks to Frozensoul327 for this true gem.

Serving type: bottle

12-08-2005 03:29:48 | More by OldFrothingSlosh
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kirok1999

Ohio

4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to mcallister for the generosity. Served at about 60 degrees.
Pours a dark copper/bronze with just a wisp of light foam around the edge of the snifter.
Smell is of massive dark fruit with a candy sweetness.
Taste is a dark caramel malt bomb. Sweet and bready as well with lots of plum and raisin. Some mild carbonation and a slight spice note in the middle. Very dark caramel in the finish.
One of the best old ales I've ever had.

Serving type: bottle

03-16-2008 01:05:58 | More by kirok1999
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yancot

Ontario (Canada)

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

04-23-2013 03:07:15 | More by yancot
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TKEbeerman

Florida

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

06-04-2013 00:22:30 | More by TKEbeerman
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OStrungT

California

4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer pours a cloudy dark brown color with a slight reddish tint. It has a thin tan head. The head fades fast, leaving a small layer of head, with a decent lacing.

This beer has a very sweet aroma. It has a strong caramel malt aroma. I smell some dark fruit. Some plumbs, and figs. Behind that, I get a chocolate aroma.

This beer tastes exactly like it smells. Very sweet. A strong malty tasting beer. I taste the dark fruits as well. A slight chocolate flavor is also present.

This beer is very full bodied. It warms the throat as it goes down. It is low in carbonation, well for the style.

I doubt this beer would make a great session beer. It has a very aggressive, sweet flavor. Also, it is a little high in alcohol.

Overall: Thanks to Faro for this beer. Although not my favorite style, I do like to have one every not and again. This one is good.

Serving type: bottle

10-31-2007 04:02:12 | More by OStrungT
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BlurryVisi0n

New York

4.29/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.25

Served in an over-sized wine glass (La Trappe signature glass).

Appearance: A really dark almost opaque hazy brown. What kills me is the head, there is none. I can tell just by appearance this brew might lack carbonation. Head for what is is maybe 1/10', light tan.

Smell: Strong burnt brown sugar scent that is more aroma than anything else...it hovers your nose like heat to a flame.

Taste: What a strong alcohol taste this beer has granted the ABV level is well above average. Heavy molasses feel which makes you feel sweetness makes you think this beer was aged in bourbon barrels.

Mouth: Light carbonation and when it comes to an old ale I was expecting a little more, as far as stickiness is concerned this brew sticks like moth to a light. I put it down and pairing it with sharp cheddar cheese it just doesn't leave. Flat somewhat sticky very and for that I won't hate on quality.

Overall: Would I buy this again, I know the mouth feel isn't what it is supposed to be but this is a quality brew. it improves literally after every sip. Can't remember how much it costs, but F' it you only live once. Salud!

Serving type: bottle

02-18-2013 05:38:45 | More by BlurryVisi0n
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SPLITGRIN

Kentucky

4.53/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

An inch and a half of stryfoam like fuzzy deep tan head has excellent retention. Body is a super dark, almost black brown in color. Huge notes of bourbon, molasses, vanilla and hot buttered toffee like malt are very attractive on the nose. Enters the mouth with some initially soured dark fruit but that quickly yeilds to a rich carmalized maltieness. You get some biscuity notes along with phelonic notes including vanilla, toffee, and crisp candied peanut butter. Dark berries are met with some hop based bitter at the end of the palate. Mouthfeel is of dark fruit and a nice bitter feel. It is a joy to drink this big sipper of a brew.

Serving type: bottle

09-17-2008 18:46:31 | More by SPLITGRIN
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ThickNStout

Georgia

4.61/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle from IAmJacksHopTongue (much apprecitaed!). 2013 bottling. Served in a Bruery snifter.

Pours an opaque chestnut with a minimal cap of pale head. Trace bubbles remain around the edges without leaving any lace to speak of.

Smells akin to a nice port. Dark fruit, caramel, toast and a faine wine-like alcohol note. Nice.

Taste follows the nose. Raisin, fig, caramel, burnt brown sugar, tawny port, toasted marshmallow, earthy vanilla and a little booze. A splendid ensemble of old ale flavors that goes down dangerously easily for it's 13.5% abv.

Body is medium heavy and syrupy with light carbonation. A pleasant port, caramel and toasted marshmallow finish.

This is an outstanding old ale. Such richness and complexity set it well above most other examples of the style that I've encountered. This is a beer worth hoarding to enjoy over many years. Very highly recommended.

Serving type: bottle

04-01-2014 12:30:18 | More by ThickNStout
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JDizzle

Indiana

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

04-10-2013 23:33:14 | More by JDizzle
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IMSPEAKNOENGLISH

Illinois

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

10-03-2012 21:18:48 | More by IMSPEAKNOENGLISH
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jamie2dope

Massachusetts

4.03/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I received this beer as an extra from stopbarking. Thanks very much for including this beer, which has been on my wants list for as long as I can remember. The color is clear ruby, with a fingers worth of white heading. The smell is of honey, nectar, alcohol, and brown sugar. The flavor is sweet to the point of almost being cloying, with all of the same flavors listed above, coming off very juicy overall. The mouthfeel is slick and oily on the palate. While drinkable, the alcohol is definitely there and can be smelled and tasted. Certainly not a gulping beer, as the strong tastes and ABV prevent that. Most of the Kuhnhenn brews I have had all have a certain sickly sweetness, and richness to them, and Fourth Dementia is no different. This is one to sip after dinner like port or whiskey.

Serving type: bottle

09-13-2010 02:46:34 | More by jamie2dope
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BYOFB

Wisconsin

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

12-02-2012 05:24:21 | More by BYOFB
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 849 ratings.