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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 926
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 568
Gots: 206 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of BeerTruth
4.45/5  rDev +4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Thanks to saucya and Kan from RB for this highly rated Kuhnhenn brew.

12 oz. bottle allowed to warm up some before pouring into a nonic. 2007 vintage.

A style I'm not too crazy for, but this is supposed to be the best of 'em so let's give it a go.

Pours a deep brown with an amber outline. Two fingers of tan head top this beer that dies down to a creamy layer leaving some nice webbing on the sides of the glass. Smell is of ripe dark fruits and oak. Very interesting merlot aroma, not strong, and very pleasant. Rich caramel, thick molasses, and a hint of booze in the nose as well. Raisins and fig on the tongue first followed by an interesting piney hop flavor. Winey oak and dark cherries with some booze towards the end. Aftertaste is somewhat dry with hints of dates and brandy. Lots of malt throughout, but hops are there too. Medium to full body with a rich and creamy feel. Carbonation is light, but complements the mouthfeel so well. The alcohol is there, so this one is a sipper for sure. Very complex flavors, interested to see what some age would do to this.

Photo of MaltyGoodness
4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz. bottle brewed on 8/1/04 and best before 2010. Labels lists this as 11% ABV. Bottle provided by Frozensoul327.

Pours a dark chestnut brown with a white head that fades to a ring around the inside of the glass. Sparse lacing.

Smells sweet and malty with an ample amount of hops. I get some light nutty and chocloatey tones mixed in as well. A hint of booze ecapes now and then just to remind you that it's 11% ABV.

Sweet and malty upfront with some nice caramel and chocolate undertones. A nice bitter wave of hops rushes in for a monent and then actually finishes rather sweet. A MONSTER flavor, not for the weak of palate.

Big fat belly on this girl. I wouldn't expect less, with such a big flavor.

Rather drinkable for such a big beer. I probably consumed the bottle a little too quickly....

Photo of aforbes10
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle picked up for my by kkulacki (thanks, Konrad) at the Winter Solstice Party. Pours deep blood red and dark with a short white head and big long lacing. Smells like cherry cough syrup, blackberries, hazlenut, hints of coffee, ethanol, strong malts. A pretty amazing come-hither odor. The flavor is cough syrup-forward, with hints of cherries. Body and finish are a much more inviting bland of cherry and chocolate with smokey, almost milky malts. Alcohol storng but not overpowering. Some phenolic qualities, and a hint of bitterness. Trends towards a beer liquor. Comparison to cough syrup hard to shed and i wish that flavor were less pronounced. Thick and full-bodied. Sticky and lip-smacking. Almost chewy. Overall, its a great beer, crazy and expertly crafted. The flavor is not as refined as i remember it being from tastes in the past, but i think perhaps its just too young. Luckily i have a second botttle(!) which will be aged 6-12 mos.

Photo of BlissJunkie
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Photo of alpinebryant
4.65/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

From trade with Scoot69 Thanks!

A: Pour is a crystal clear chestnut brown with a small light tannish white head

S: Aroma of heavy toffee, thick roasted malt, sweet barleywine / old ale aroma of marshmallow, caramelized sugars. Booze aroma.

T: Delicious light Toffee flavors , with heavy sugar Caramelization. The label says toasted marshmellow and is definitely accurate. There is definitely a booze presence in this and I am happy for it. This is an old ale and I expect that out of a good BW / OA ... The amazing thing about this Old ale is that it has not been barrel aged yet has a frightening ability to convince me that there are oak barrel flavors in here. Plenty of vanilla with the toasted marshmallow taste. Golden graham / graham cracker finish with a little dryness.

M: Light to medium for the style in mouthfeel with a light carbonation.

O: applause

Photo of Docrock
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Photo of zoso1967
4.15/5  rDev -3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to TCgoalie for this brew!

Pours deep reddish brown with no head at all. There is a small ring of light tan foam around the edge, and some small bubbles gathering in islands across the flat surface of the beer, but really not much going on at all.

The aroma is malty with tons of caramel, toffee, molasses and sweet dark dried fruits. Raisins, prunes and dried dark sweet cherries soaked in alcohol emerge from this beer's nose.

The flavor is extremely malt forward, but with a very nice profile. Sweet caramel, toffee and molasses blend with dark sweet cherries and a surprising amount of vanilla. There is also a definite tobacco like flavor buried deep in there that adds quite a bit of depth. I am not picking up any hops at all, but this is a 2009 bottle so likely those have all faded. This beer is not terribly complex, but the flavors that it possesses are so true and intense, that complexity is not all that missed.

The mouthfeel is fairly full and extremely smooth. There is hardly any carbonation in this beer, and I imagine that is a big contributor to that smoothness. The finish is a bit on the sticky sweet side

This is pretty much the definition of a sipper, but it is quite tasty and the perfect beer to slowly enjoy over a long period of time. Not the best old ale I have ever had, but a quality example.

Photo of ritzkiss
3.55/5  rDev -17.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12oz bottle in a trade from Viggo - thanks a bunch man! 2008 vintage.

Pours a dark amber with a pillowy caramel head, actually quite a solid foam buildup for a barleywine/old ale. Doesn't leave any lacing though.

Nose is heavy, sweet caramel, bready malts, just a hint of fruit.

This is one sweet brew. As others have mentioned, this beer tastes a little more in line with an English barleywine than an old ale. Thick, syrupy caramel, brown sugar, bread, toast, flowery, a hint of alcohol in the finish (but for 12% it is remarkably well hidden), just the faintest hop bittering in the finish.

This one is too sweet for me; you can almost feel the sugar moving between your teeth. That said, it hides the alcohol really well and if you dig the really sweet brews this one would be sneaky dangerous. I found it all a little messy, not enough room for the individual flavors to shine through - just too sweet. Thanks again for the chance to try this one, Eric!

Photo of rrski198
4.75/5  rDev +11%

Photo of mrasskicktastic
4.47/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - A fairly dark brown color with a half a finger of short-lived head with a thin ring of lacing that forms. Specks of lacing adorn the glass throughout.

S - Concord grape juice, dark red fruit juices - cherries and blackberries. A bit of dates and figs.

T - Excellent. The foretaste is dominated by a truly fantastic presentation of blackberries. The aftertaste is mostly grape with a fruity bitterness.

M - Smooth, thin, slick and very refreshing.

D - Awesome. Too strong to session. The bitterness is of a type that detracts from teh drinkability, but it would be better with food. If I ever find it again, I will have it again. Why doesn't Kuhnhenn distribute more?!? This is the only Kuhnhenn beer I have had and it is simply amazing. I hope to get my hands on many more of their beers. Hopefully I can make it up to their brewpub one day.

Photo of SPLITGRIN
4.53/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

An inch and a half of stryfoam like fuzzy deep tan head has excellent retention. Body is a super dark, almost black brown in color. Huge notes of bourbon, molasses, vanilla and hot buttered toffee like malt are very attractive on the nose. Enters the mouth with some initially soured dark fruit but that quickly yeilds to a rich carmalized maltieness. You get some biscuity notes along with phelonic notes including vanilla, toffee, and crisp candied peanut butter. Dark berries are met with some hop based bitter at the end of the palate. Mouthfeel is of dark fruit and a nice bitter feel. It is a joy to drink this big sipper of a brew.

Photo of BMoney575
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sampled on 2-21-09
2007 Vintage
Reviewed from notes.

A: Off white head, deep brown, almost purple color.

S: Fruity and boozy, lots of age and oak. Very strong.

T: Quite earthy at first, strong and malty, with dark fruit and raisin flavors. Booze adds a pleasant finish.

M: Nice, about right for the style, a little thin for my tastes.

D: Good, considering the abv. Definitely a sipper.

Photo of BUNZILLA
4.75/5  rDev +11%

Photo of steve8robin
3.8/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got this beer in a recent trade, thanks Eric for tossing this one in. Been waiting to try this bad boy for a long time now so without further or do. 12oz bottle, 2010 vintage...

A: A super dark brown with some strong deep ruby red mixed in with a 1/2 inch tan head that fades at a decent rate. Very good.

S: I get some nice sweet caramel malt upfront immediately followed by some bready rye and faint grape in the middle. Some Some sweet toffee on the backend. Good.

T: I get some bready caramel quickly followed by a nice warming sensation. Some watery toffee in the middle with and faint hints of chocolate on the backend. Decent.

M: Thick and creamy with a nice carbonation. A dry finish. Good.

D: The booze is present, but not by any means overpowering or showcasing itself in the beer. Good.

All in all, this beer is definitely not as good as I would have hoped or as I've seen it rated, but it's still a good brew to try at least once if you like the style. The 2010 is 13.5% ABV and that is very surprising in this one. The alcohol is there, but not overwhelming.

Photo of BColton1
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

Photo of RBassSFHOPit2ME
3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

Photo of barleywinebrewer
3.78/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

thanks to hoppymeal for this via the bw bif2. another bottle of the 2-16-05 series.

A - sort of a black / brown mix - almost brackish but not quite black. A whisp of dark tan carbonation at the edges.
S - Deep vinous raisin, toffee, notes backed but a warmth that implies strong.
T - similar to the aroma but with a sharp drop of the sweet malts and a hit of burnt / hop bite. Not enough to kill the brew but not what I would envision from the aromas.
M - full bodied, lightly carbonated, thick but not cloying. finishes dry
D - an intriguing brew. One is plenty for an evening.

The bite is a bit more than I would prefer in an aged old ale / barleywine. I'd be curious to see what a few more years would do but other than that I'd look to other brews to fortify the cellar.

Photo of IMSPEAKNOENGLISH
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Photo of axeman9182
4.13/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle courtesy of WeisGuy. This 2010 vintage was allowed to warm some before being poured into my petit Duvel tulip.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia pours a deep mahogany, with a couple spots of ruby appearing once the beer’s backlit. There are maybe two fingers worth of khaki colored head crowning the beer, and head retention and lacing are just alright. The nose has a bevy of malty notes bouncing around. Light chocolate, caramel, burnt sugar, and a little bit of marshmallow all show up and blend together for a killer aroma. The flavor profile can’t quite keep up the same balanced complexity though. Caramel and burnt sugar move up from ensemble players in the aroma to the main attraction here. Milk chocolate falls way into the background, while the suggestion of marshmallow disappears. The mouthfeel is full bodied, but as rich as t could have been for 13.5% ABV. The carbonation is pleasantly understated, and there’s a pleasant warming sensation from the alcohol. Overall Fourth Dementia is a wonderful beer. I can see why I enjoyed the barrel aged version so much.

Photo of meathookjones
4.97/5  rDev +16.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Many thanks go to Ben for sharing such an awesome and unique brew with me. Pours out a deep dark brown with a nice sized tan head. Strings of lace were left coating the glass and the head was revived easily with a few swirls of the snifter. Upon first smell of this brew I new this would become a favorite of mine. There was just so much going on I knew I would need more than this one to figure it all out. Smokiness was big as was the chocolate and roasted malt. Some dark fruit and earthy/woody notes were in there as well. Damn there was so much going on I sat there for a while with my nose just in the glass trying to take it all in. The taste was just as complex and enjoyable as the aroma. Dark fruits, molasses, chocolate malt and smoke seem to be the most upfront flavors. An assortment of other flavors were present as well spice, caramel, alcohol, woodiness and everything else you could imagine. Wow this is one amazing brew. The full thick body leaves your mouth coated in sticky flavor that seems to stay with you forever. Drinkability is insane, every sip leaves you wanted more to discover new things about the beer. If this was available locally I would clean the shelves of it, I guess that’s were the dementia comes in.

Photo of cosmonick
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Photo of ThickNStout
4.61/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle from IAmJacksHopTongue (much apprecitaed!). 2013 bottling. Served in a Bruery snifter.

Pours an opaque chestnut with a minimal cap of pale head. Trace bubbles remain around the edges without leaving any lace to speak of.

Smells akin to a nice port. Dark fruit, caramel, toast and a faine wine-like alcohol note. Nice.

Taste follows the nose. Raisin, fig, caramel, burnt brown sugar, tawny port, toasted marshmallow, earthy vanilla and a little booze. A splendid ensemble of old ale flavors that goes down dangerously easily for it's 13.5% abv.

Body is medium heavy and syrupy with light carbonation. A pleasant port, caramel and toasted marshmallow finish.

This is an outstanding old ale. Such richness and complexity set it well above most other examples of the style that I've encountered. This is a beer worth hoarding to enjoy over many years. Very highly recommended.

Photo of joepais
4.45/5  rDev +4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks kryptic for this one
Bottle poured mahogany red with a good two fingers of a reddish brown head that settles into lace
Aromas of fermented fruits prune and roasted malts the nose is quite interesting on this one
Flavors of Sweet fruit and I mean a ton of it .This is a sweet one for sure. An ever so slight alcohol taste in the end (as it warms you get a lot more toasted malts and a light hop)
Full Thick syrupy palate
A great sipper, I wish I had some more.
Well off to enjoy the rest

Photo of sgoro
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

Photo of lunarbrew
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 926 ratings.