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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 849
Reviews: 437
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 551
Gots: 197 | FT: 25
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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ZorPrime

Quebec (Canada)

4.31/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Received this one from a recent trade with liamt07. Cheers!

Viscous beer, brown in color. Head is very timid.

The nose is strong. Caramel malts, sugars, some rum. Vanilla is too faint initially. In the mouth, this beer explode... Full bodied. Very good. Some caramel notes with a good bitterness. Love this. This is a strong and complex beer. Needs time to fully appreciated this one. Amazing that they are able to make this. I prefer this one, than the barrel aged version. Both are good, but this one is better to me.

Serving type: bottle

01-26-2013 14:12:23 | More by ZorPrime
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gpblackgt

Pennsylvania

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

04-08-2014 12:35:32 | More by gpblackgt
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BColton1

Rhode Island

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

06-08-2013 12:36:17 | More by BColton1
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billshmeinke

California

3.7/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle poured into pint glass. Extra from a trade with triptens, thanks.

Hard pour yields a one finger yellowish/cream head. Quickly resides to a layer of foam on top. Dark brown/amber in color. Not much lacing.

Smells of candied plumbs, figs, red licorice, brown sugar and toffee. Quite pungent.

Tastes of candied plumbs, figs, red licorice, brown sugar, toffee, caramel, a vague nutty characteristic and some earthy/leafy hops. A lingering sweetness and slight bitterness. Quite sweet, not enough bitterness to balance it out. Sweetness is slightly cloying after a little while.

Pretty full bodied, medium carbonation. A bit creamy. A little hot.

Pretty decent drinkability. The abv is veeeery well hidden (almost dangerously so). It is almost too sweet and candy-like. Reminiscent of sugar coated dark fruits.

Serving type: bottle

04-07-2010 08:46:53 | More by billshmeinke
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Retail1LO

Pennsylvania

3.68/5  rDev -14%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

From notes on 4/4/12

Pours a garnet/ruddy reddish brown with a 1 finger head via a vigorous pour. Rich plum scent w/ other dark fruits. Brown sugar. Also some caramel and vanilla. Pretty underwhelming, really. Taste is sweet and boozy, slightly astringent. More dark fruits and brown sugars. Tasty indeed. The mouth is smooth with an odd sweet/tart thing going on. Some mild heat and a touch of bitterness. Solid beer that goes down way too easily for being 13.5%

Serving type: bottle

04-11-2012 23:14:09 | More by Retail1LO
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beerdrifter

Germany

4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked this up from a great trade with page101. Clear ruby-brown pour with almost no head and minimal lacing. Earthy, complex, malty nose with hints of toffee, caramel, oak, rye, and a touch of dark fruit and vanilla. The taste is complex as well, and also dominated by the sweet malt. Lots of roasty toffee, caramel and hazelnut with a boozy, woody bite. Hints of rye, raisins, figs, vanilla and oak. Extremely rich with a nice subtle alcohol warming. This is definitely a sipper. The mouthfeel is slightly syrupy, thick and chewy and plenty sweet, with just a touch of hop bitterness. The alcohol warms, but for the most part is pretty well hidden for such a big beer. Another great Michigan beer. Can't wait to try the Bourbon Barrel Fourth Dementia. Thanks Alex!

Serving type: bottle

05-09-2011 03:31:48 | More by beerdrifter
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lunarbrew

Wisconsin

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

01-16-2014 15:08:08 | More by lunarbrew
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sukwonee

Washington

4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: Just like BB4D, it doesn't look very good. Almost no head, dark brown body.

S: Amazing. It's literally BB4D less bourbon character. Malt, vanilla, caramel, toffee.

T: Excellent again. Dark fruits, caramel, vanilla, brown sugar.

M: Thick and syrupty.

O: I like this beer almost as much as BB4D. Thank you Beerworld for throwing this in as an extra.

Serving type: bottle

08-05-2012 03:21:18 | More by sukwonee
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jsurfs82

Ohio

4.75/5  rDev +11%

05-09-2013 21:33:49 | More by jsurfs82
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ypsifly

Michigan

4.05/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz brewed on 8/01/04 poured into a pint glass.

Ruby brown with a small white head that dies a fizzy death leaving a thin ring with not much lacing.

Smells of dark, ripe fruits paired with alcohol and malts.

The same fruits are strong in the taste with some brown sugar and a strong alcohol presence that is not unpleasing. Really warms you up as it goes down. The finish is peppery. Very complex.

The mouthfeel is a bit light due to the low carbonation and possible numbing effect from the alcohol. Way too strong to be considered drinkable, but a great beer that everyone should try at least once.

Serving type: bottle

05-19-2005 05:30:49 | More by ypsifly
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juliusseizure

New York

4/5  rDev -6.5%

04-15-2013 01:07:28 | More by juliusseizure
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JustinMatthew

Pennsylvania

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

03-28-2013 19:33:56 | More by JustinMatthew
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BDeibs

Colorado

3.5/5  rDev -18.2%

10-05-2013 03:59:06 | More by BDeibs
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Quackus

New York

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

05-14-2013 17:54:41 | More by Quackus
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warriorsoul

Pennsylvania

4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Big thanks to Gaisgeil for this one of many fine brews.
Pours a dark brown w/ very little light passing thru...less than a 1/4 finger of tan head forms and very little thin lace.
Aroma is rum raisins...add in some vanilla and some malt sweetness. Nothing over the top, but very inviting.
Taste is a burst of raisins...reminding me of an English style barleywine at first, but a hint of smoked flavor makes its way through w/ warming. Alcohol is detected, but well masked for the most part.
Maybe a touch too sweet, but that only affects the drinkablilty, and not the overall enjoyment of the pint.
Mouthfeel is quite thick and is just a touch bitter in its finish.
I have had only a handful from this style and I can see why so many seek out this particular brew...I have one other (thanks to Eyedrinkale) and will age it for a couple years. At that time, this one will be up there w/ the likes of Thomas Hardy.

Serving type: bottle

07-18-2005 23:54:52 | More by warriorsoul
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seaoflament

California

4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to tangfoot for sending me this beer in the Top 100 BIF. I was told that this was purchased in the Winter Solstice party on 12/21/07.

Pours a lovely dark brown with a few red spots when held to the light, and a half inch or so of tan foam topped it.

This beer has an intense bread aroma with a mixture of apples, plums, raisins, and cherries. A good presence of yeast and spices makes the aroma even more complex. The malt really steals the show in this beer, raisin and cinnamon bread, toast, and multi-grain bread. The fruitiness would be my second favorite aspect of the nose. The fruits range from dark ones like raisins, plums, figs and prunes to cherries and apples. There's also some caramel in there.

The taste is just as good and as complex as the aroma. First I taste some wheat bread and toast and then a rush of dark fruits in the middle and then a complete turnaround back to toast. The finish has the yeast and spices with just a touch of heat from the alcohol but it does not get in the way of the beer, it actually seems to enhance the flavors. The next couple of sips reveal some apple skins, pears and fleshy prunes. Caramel and butterscotch flavors are also there. The finish is also a bit dry and just enough bitterness to balance out the massive amount of malt sweetness.

The mouth-feel is a touch syrupy at the beginning but once you swallow the carbonation hits the palate and goes down really smooth. The beer residue on the lips leaves them a little sticky.

Old Ales are not a style I particularly seek out or crave but this is one tasty beer and I wouldn't mind drinking this again (I'm glad I at least have one more bottle!).

Serving type: bottle

05-06-2008 23:29:58 | More by seaoflament
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Alextricity

Michigan

4.23/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Had on tap at the Kuhnhenn Brewery as part of a paddle. '11 Vintage.

Appearance: Somewhat like the BB4D, but with a more reddish hue, and -- surprisingly -- a somewhat smaller head. Given the ABV, this is actually a great looking beer. There's even a little bit of lacing, too.

Smell: Sweet. The BB4D has a chocolate note, and I suppose this has a trace of it as well, but it's less pronounced. This regular 4D has a fruitier aroma, and there's no alcohol in that aroma at all.

Taste: Like the smell, sweet... cherry sort of aromas here, with plenty of malt. There's a decent bitterness in there so it's not all fruity sweetness, but it's definitely a sweeter brew. Dark fruits and malts own this beer. A bit of warmth on the swallow lets you know that this is a high ABV beer, but it doesn't come through in the taste. I like the aroma on this one a bit more than the BB4D version.

I'm no doubt in the minority, but I prefer this one to the bourbon barrel version. It's not by a huge margin, but it's still there. The bourbon barrel may mellow the beer out a tad, but it also takes away notes that this '11 4D had... and that I really enjoyed. This 4D had an inexplicable certain "bite" in the flavor (and I don't mean alcohol) that really intrigued me. This is an excellent beer that must be tried if it can be found.

Serving type: on-tap

06-29-2013 02:15:59 | More by Alextricity
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fthegiants

California

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

05-13-2014 00:39:50 | More by fthegiants
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ajs4bd

Missouri

5/5  rDev +16.8%

12-28-2012 02:14:44 | More by ajs4bd
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zac16125

South Carolina

4.68/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle poured into a snifter
2011 Vintage

A big thanks to muskiesman for sending this one over in a trade

A: Pours a somewhat viscous opaque very dark brown, almost black, with no head to speak of, only a slight outer ring so small I can't even determine the color.  Leaves effectively no lacing.  

S: Big aroma.  Dark fruits with fig, raisin and date notes, woody oak aroma even though this is not the barrel aged one, hints of bourbon, black licorice, a small amount of booze, and a hint of vanilla extract.  Awesome.  

T: Dark fruit sweetness up front in the form of overripe plum and fig, with lots of different flavors coming through on the back end including coffee, dark chocolate, and roasted malt. As it warms I get a big toffee character, which is great. I also pick up burnt toast, some vanilla, a nutty character, and a subtle hint of booze that only comes out towards the end of the glass. This is well balanced and so complex, taking your palate through multiple flavor levels with each sip.  Really fantastic, bordering on perfect.  

M/D: Smooth, about as full bodied as you can get, with appropriately low carbonation, and a sticky, somewhat chewy mouthfeel.  Coats the palate nicely, and has a whole body warming characteristic.  Amazingly, I get almost none of the massive 13.5% ABV, either on the nose or the tongue, impressive!  Even with the ABV masking, it's still a sipper due to the thick consistency and massive flavor profile, but that's how big old ales and barleywines should be, and all things considered the drinkability is actually quite good.  

O: Wow, what a beer.  Not for everyone, as this is a big, bold brew. But if you are a fan of the style it's an absolute must try.  Does this beer get better with barrel aging?  I'm not sure it can, as there isn't much room for improvement, but I can't wait to try the BB4D and find out.  Highly recommend.  

Serving type: bottle

05-06-2012 03:33:34 | More by zac16125
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Piddmeista

California

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

03-23-2014 17:47:36 | More by Piddmeista
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Lucnifter

California

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

06-27-2014 02:23:34 | More by Lucnifter
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Gtreid

Florida

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

05-19-2013 23:45:39 | More by Gtreid
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KAP1356

Pennsylvania

4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Fnally got my hands on this in a trade from bdberr. 12 oz bottle poured into a Weyerbacher tulip...

A - Rich and thick maroon color with some nice darker amber highlights when held to the light. No real head to speak of. The tiniest little eggshell white cap forms and recedes to basically nothing.

S - Rich and buttery aromas. Toffee, caramel, buttery, and some brown sugar. A bit of alcohol comes through along with the slightest bit of coffee. Really very inticing nose.

T - Strong and rich toffee, caramel and very sherry like. Nice dark sugar flavors with some chocolate and coffee at the end. Dark fruits come through as well; raisins, dates, etc. Ever so slight smokiness and/or tobacco flavors at the very end ofthe palate. Really stunning taste. I can only imagine how this one ages. Really reminds me of a nice sherry or port.

M - Slick mouthfeel. Very smooth and medium-heavy bodied. Not much alcohol heat coming through (although there is some there, don't get me wrong. Just not as much as I would have thought).

D - One ofthe best Old Ale's I have ever had. Quite an amazing sipper and the ABV doesn't hinder the enjoyment of this one at all. Cannot wait to try this again in a year or two. So worth the trade!

EDIT: This was the 2010 batch.

Serving type: bottle

02-17-2011 01:42:07 | More by KAP1356
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HoppyBastard2

Pennsylvania

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

07-28-2014 00:43:44 | More by HoppyBastard2
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 849 ratings.