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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 943
Reviews: 441
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 578
Gots: 219 | FT: 23
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
Beer: Ratings & Reviews
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Photo of zoso1967
4.12/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to TCgoalie for this brew!

Pours deep reddish brown with no head at all. There is a small ring of light tan foam around the edge, and some small bubbles gathering in islands across the flat surface of the beer, but really not much going on at all.

The aroma is malty with tons of caramel, toffee, molasses and sweet dark dried fruits. Raisins, prunes and dried dark sweet cherries soaked in alcohol emerge from this beer's nose.

The flavor is extremely malt forward, but with a very nice profile. Sweet caramel, toffee and molasses blend with dark sweet cherries and a surprising amount of vanilla. There is also a definite tobacco like flavor buried deep in there that adds quite a bit of depth. I am not picking up any hops at all, but this is a 2009 bottle so likely those have all faded. This beer is not terribly complex, but the flavors that it possesses are so true and intense, that complexity is not all that missed.

The mouthfeel is fairly full and extremely smooth. There is hardly any carbonation in this beer, and I imagine that is a big contributor to that smoothness. The finish is a bit on the sticky sweet side

This is pretty much the definition of a sipper, but it is quite tasty and the perfect beer to slowly enjoy over a long period of time. Not the best old ale I have ever had, but a quality example.

Photo of ritzkiss
3.58/5  rDev -16.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12oz bottle in a trade from Viggo - thanks a bunch man! 2008 vintage.

Pours a dark amber with a pillowy caramel head, actually quite a solid foam buildup for a barleywine/old ale. Doesn't leave any lacing though.

Nose is heavy, sweet caramel, bready malts, just a hint of fruit.

This is one sweet brew. As others have mentioned, this beer tastes a little more in line with an English barleywine than an old ale. Thick, syrupy caramel, brown sugar, bread, toast, flowery, a hint of alcohol in the finish (but for 12% it is remarkably well hidden), just the faintest hop bittering in the finish.

This one is too sweet for me; you can almost feel the sugar moving between your teeth. That said, it hides the alcohol really well and if you dig the really sweet brews this one would be sneaky dangerous. I found it all a little messy, not enough room for the individual flavors to shine through - just too sweet. Thanks again for the chance to try this one, Eric!

Photo of mrasskicktastic
4.42/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - A fairly dark brown color with a half a finger of short-lived head with a thin ring of lacing that forms. Specks of lacing adorn the glass throughout.

S - Concord grape juice, dark red fruit juices - cherries and blackberries. A bit of dates and figs.

T - Excellent. The foretaste is dominated by a truly fantastic presentation of blackberries. The aftertaste is mostly grape with a fruity bitterness.

M - Smooth, thin, slick and very refreshing.

D - Awesome. Too strong to session. The bitterness is of a type that detracts from teh drinkability, but it would be better with food. If I ever find it again, I will have it again. Why doesn't Kuhnhenn distribute more?!? This is the only Kuhnhenn beer I have had and it is simply amazing. I hope to get my hands on many more of their beers. Hopefully I can make it up to their brewpub one day.

Photo of rrski198
4.75/5  rDev +11%

Photo of PG2G
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Photo of BMoney575
3.8/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sampled on 2-21-09
2007 Vintage
Reviewed from notes.

A: Off white head, deep brown, almost purple color.

S: Fruity and boozy, lots of age and oak. Very strong.

T: Quite earthy at first, strong and malty, with dark fruit and raisin flavors. Booze adds a pleasant finish.

M: Nice, about right for the style, a little thin for my tastes.

D: Good, considering the abv. Definitely a sipper.

Photo of JDizzle
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Photo of BColton1
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

Photo of barleywinebrewer
3.82/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

thanks to hoppymeal for this via the bw bif2. another bottle of the 2-16-05 series.

A - sort of a black / brown mix - almost brackish but not quite black. A whisp of dark tan carbonation at the edges.
S - Deep vinous raisin, toffee, notes backed but a warmth that implies strong.
T - similar to the aroma but with a sharp drop of the sweet malts and a hit of burnt / hop bite. Not enough to kill the brew but not what I would envision from the aromas.
M - full bodied, lightly carbonated, thick but not cloying. finishes dry
D - an intriguing brew. One is plenty for an evening.

The bite is a bit more than I would prefer in an aged old ale / barleywine. I'd be curious to see what a few more years would do but other than that I'd look to other brews to fortify the cellar.

Photo of axeman9182
4.14/5  rDev -3.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle courtesy of WeisGuy. This 2010 vintage was allowed to warm some before being poured into my petit Duvel tulip.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia pours a deep mahogany, with a couple spots of ruby appearing once the beer’s backlit. There are maybe two fingers worth of khaki colored head crowning the beer, and head retention and lacing are just alright. The nose has a bevy of malty notes bouncing around. Light chocolate, caramel, burnt sugar, and a little bit of marshmallow all show up and blend together for a killer aroma. The flavor profile can’t quite keep up the same balanced complexity though. Caramel and burnt sugar move up from ensemble players in the aroma to the main attraction here. Milk chocolate falls way into the background, while the suggestion of marshmallow disappears. The mouthfeel is full bodied, but as rich as t could have been for 13.5% ABV. The carbonation is pleasantly understated, and there’s a pleasant warming sensation from the alcohol. Overall Fourth Dementia is a wonderful beer. I can see why I enjoyed the barrel aged version so much.

Photo of meathookjones
4.97/5  rDev +16.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Many thanks go to Ben for sharing such an awesome and unique brew with me. Pours out a deep dark brown with a nice sized tan head. Strings of lace were left coating the glass and the head was revived easily with a few swirls of the snifter. Upon first smell of this brew I new this would become a favorite of mine. There was just so much going on I knew I would need more than this one to figure it all out. Smokiness was big as was the chocolate and roasted malt. Some dark fruit and earthy/woody notes were in there as well. Damn there was so much going on I sat there for a while with my nose just in the glass trying to take it all in. The taste was just as complex and enjoyable as the aroma. Dark fruits, molasses, chocolate malt and smoke seem to be the most upfront flavors. An assortment of other flavors were present as well spice, caramel, alcohol, woodiness and everything else you could imagine. Wow this is one amazing brew. The full thick body leaves your mouth coated in sticky flavor that seems to stay with you forever. Drinkability is insane, every sip leaves you wanted more to discover new things about the beer. If this was available locally I would clean the shelves of it, I guess that’s were the dementia comes in.

Photo of cosmonick
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Photo of joepais
4.45/5  rDev +4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks kryptic for this one
Bottle poured mahogany red with a good two fingers of a reddish brown head that settles into lace
Aromas of fermented fruits prune and roasted malts the nose is quite interesting on this one
Flavors of Sweet fruit and I mean a ton of it .This is a sweet one for sure. An ever so slight alcohol taste in the end (as it warms you get a lot more toasted malts and a light hop)
Full Thick syrupy palate
A great sipper, I wish I had some more.
Well off to enjoy the rest

Photo of gueuzegossage
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

Photo of lonewolfcry
4.75/5  rDev +11%

Photo of sgoro
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

Photo of ATPete
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Photo of connecticutpoet
4.85/5  rDev +13.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Bottled 8-1-04, best before 2010. 11% ABV. Seems like the one most people have been reviewing recently.

This one poured into my chalice a clear, deep ruby red, with absolutely no head. An extremely thin line of foam was evident where the ale met the glass.

Aroma was incredibly complex. Sweet dark fruits, oaken notes, and a rich malt core. There was a little tang of alcohol. Excellent.

Taste... WOW! I am not a huge fan of old ales, but this one was incredible! I loved Adam, but this one blew it away. Dark fruits, rich lightly roasted malts, and definite sweetness. Alcohol was present but restrained, in perfect proportion.

Mouthfeel was thick, rich, and syrupy. It coated the tongue with flavor and held it there.

Drinkability was wonderful. I would gladly have two or three of these at a sitting, and pace myself accordingly. This one just got better as it warmed in the glass. I could see myself enjoying this one again and again, were it available in my area.

Hearty thanks to Erik in Michigan for the trade!

Photo of jkane101
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

Photo of Jeffrey2310
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Photo of BeastLU
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Photo of ChrisPro
4/5  rDev -6.5%

Photo of suckaj
3.76/5  rDev -12.1%

Photo of ArchEnemyBrew
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

Photo of BostonHops
4.17/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle served in a snifter.

pours a murky, deep amber / mahogany tone while yielding a short-lived 1/4" beige head - to be expected given the big ABV here. the nose is fairly complex and enticing, offering a lot of dark fruit, caramel / toffee, molasses, and some vanilla. alcohol presence also evident.

all of the aforementioned pull through in the flavor. big dark fruit and caramel / toffee presence mingles with secondary notes of molasses, vanilla, and a touch of anise. chewy, full bodied mouthfeel with slightly below average carbonation.

overall there's a lot to like here; very, very tasty brew. (the barrel aged version, however, is in another league.)

(originally reviewed: 01-30-2012)

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 943 ratings.