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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 915
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 565
Gots: 206 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Docrock, Dec 27, 2013
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3.25/5  rDev -24.1%

beerhunter13, Aug 06, 2013
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4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

midlifec, May 20, 2013
Photo of BostonHops
4.15/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle served in a snifter.

pours a murky, deep amber / mahogany tone while yielding a short-lived 1/4" beige head - to be expected given the big ABV here. the nose is fairly complex and enticing, offering a lot of dark fruit, caramel / toffee, molasses, and some vanilla. alcohol presence also evident.

all of the aforementioned pull through in the flavor. big dark fruit and caramel / toffee presence mingles with secondary notes of molasses, vanilla, and a touch of anise. chewy, full bodied mouthfeel with slightly below average carbonation.

overall there's a lot to like here; very, very tasty brew. (the barrel aged version, however, is in another league.)

(originally reviewed: 01-30-2012)

BostonHops, Jun 23, 2012
Photo of BeastLU
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

BeastLU, Apr 12, 2013
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4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

TKEbeerman, Jun 04, 2013
Photo of marburg
4.63/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Let me say first that this was noted on the bottle as being an Old Ale made in 2004. However, this strikes me as remarkably similar to some of their other beers -- its texture not unlike the raspberry eisbock and its flavor not unlike the bourbon barrel imperial stout. I wonder if this is an offshoot of the latter? The same recipe with slightly different treatment and then bottled as an old ale instead? Something similar? Perhaps I'm not recalling the other beer well enough, but for those familiar with their beers, this will definitely make you remember those others you've had before.

Smells like viscous sludge made of pureed fruit. Mild hints of coffee and chocolate covered raisins. You can tell immediately this will be incredibly good and quite flavorful.

And it is.

Sweet, sweet beer. Incredibly deep, potent caramel flavors with bourbon barrel characteristics. Soft, velvet feel. Quite oily. The alcohol is hidden quite well, though a flavor that strikes me as sweetned blackberry puree with confectioners sugar might simply be an offshoot of the alcohol flavor. Regardless, it's quite well put together.

marburg, Jul 21, 2004
Photo of Houser
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Houser, Sep 01, 2014
Photo of korguy123
4.7/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Most recent batch into Kuhnhenn snifter/tulip (They call it their "Belgian" glass)

A- Super murky, almost black pour with just a thin light tan ring around the glass. Lacing is spotty but the alcohol just grips the glass.

S- Wow, okay... where to begin. Huge brown sugar, vanilla, plum, raisin with a nice coffee, chocolate and molasses sweetness in the back. Slight leather and tobacco. The alcohol is super hidden. I don't know if this makes sense but is smells syrupy and sticky.

T- My goodness... Massive raisins and dates and figs, followed by huge char taste of toast and tobacco. Coffee and chocolate followed by vanilla, brown sugar and molasses. The finish is bitter and something I would describe of grape skins.

M- Like I guessed in the aroma it's syrupy and sticky. Heavier than medium bodied, super low carbonation with a touch of alcohol warmth.

O- This is something I've been wanting to try since I found out about Kuhnhenn. It really doesn't disappoint. After driving all through Michigan and stopping there before leaving the country I was happy to get 4 of these AND 4 of the bourbon version. I love this and can't wait to try the other.

korguy123, Apr 12, 2012
Photo of kkipple
3.68/5  rDev -14%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

My buddy snagged a bottle of this at DLD 2008 and was kind enough to break it out near the end of a recent tasting. From notes:

A. Dingy, not quite clear brown. Soupy. Lingering 2cm tan head. Not much active carbonation.

S. Hmm, classic Kuhnhenn over-the-top nose. Lucious and sweet with loads of sugar from all different colors. Pine-like and bitter from a large amounts of hops that haven't died out yet. Some chocolate and plums are lurking in there too... oh yeah, and a distinct boozy, barleywine like aroma. Complex, but a little hot and doesn't come together *quite* as well as it could.

T. How unusual... this is very aggressive and flavorful. Bitter hops, sweet syrupy caramel and some nearly sour, tart fruit (or fermentation character) all are on stage here. Surprisingly hoppy and bold for an old ale, perhaps this is a young bottle? A little oxidized and sherry like too. Cherries are hidden under the pile of other flavors, oddly. Overall it's brash and eye opening. Sweetness is a bit over the top (like a lot of Kuhnhenn's brews), but ok for the style. This is good, but young and rough.

M. Warm, boozy, sticky and generally dense. Finishes bittersweet and sugary / hoppy.

D. Not so great. Too much going on that doesn't mesh well. Fourth Dementia is likely a decent sipper for a cold night, but I also bet it improves greatly with a couple years.

kkipple, Aug 16, 2008
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4.55/5  rDev +6.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

2008

Poured this one a little too quickly and overflowed my 16 oz. glass with 4 fingers of head. Caught me off guard since I didn't have that problem a couple weeks ago when I tried it for the first time. Anyway...dark brown in color with a bit of sticky lacing in places. Great retention. Smell is deep dark fruits and earthy hops. If this was magnified a little bit it would be something special, but I suppose subtlety is nice too. The taste is absolutely magnificent. This is called an "old ale" but if I did a blind tasting I would assume it was an English Barleywine. A sharp sting of dark fruits hits you quickly, with some wood characteristics and a complex mash of other goodies underneath. Full bodied and highly drinkable at 11.8%. This is an incredible beer.

12/26 UPDATE 2009 RELEASE: I think my '08 bottle may have been infected because I just poured an '09 and the head was much smaller. Luckily, it didn't taste that way at the time.

I have already noticed that the nose on this '09 is far superior to my original review. This is a huge blast of alcohol heat, raisins, and some citrus notes. The taste is actually more subtle in this edition, but it maintains all of its original complexity and actually may provide for an even more drinkable experience. The body is still full and damn near perfect for an old ale. The alcohol may be a bit too fusel for some people, but I think that this '09 release will age absolutely fantastically for years to come. I have now changed my rating by bumping up the smell and dropping the taste and drinkability a half a point because of the booziness.

alcstradamus, Jul 15, 2009
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4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

Agentveba, Nov 06, 2014
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4.75/5  rDev +11%

Knoxrb12, Mar 01, 2014
Photo of elricorico
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

elricorico, Feb 03, 2012
Photo of drseamus
4.22/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Brewed on 2/16/05 so almost exactly 3 years old.

A: Poured into my Darkness glass. Very dark mahogany body with a thin ring of head around the outside of the glass.

S: Raisins, caramel, and a bunch of sweetness. Smells like an old ale should.

T: Very strong sweet raisiny flavor. Initial burst of flavor and then it fades quickly leaving a sweet caramel flavor on the tongue.

M: The viscosity of the beer itself it pretty thin but the flavor makes it seem a bit thicker. I usually expect old ales to be a bit thicker but it is very nice.

D: Not bad at all. At a recent barleywine tasting, I ended up thinking a lot of them tasted like old ales. This beer has confirmed my suspicions. It pretty much defines the style. A bit too sweet to drink a ton of though.

drseamus, Feb 07, 2008
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4.29/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.25

Served in an over-sized wine glass (La Trappe signature glass).

Appearance: A really dark almost opaque hazy brown. What kills me is the head, there is none. I can tell just by appearance this brew might lack carbonation. Head for what is is maybe 1/10', light tan.

Smell: Strong burnt brown sugar scent that is more aroma than anything else...it hovers your nose like heat to a flame.

Taste: What a strong alcohol taste this beer has granted the ABV level is well above average. Heavy molasses feel which makes you feel sweetness makes you think this beer was aged in bourbon barrels.

Mouth: Light carbonation and when it comes to an old ale I was expecting a little more, as far as stickiness is concerned this brew sticks like moth to a light. I put it down and pairing it with sharp cheddar cheese it just doesn't leave. Flat somewhat sticky very and for that I won't hate on quality.

Overall: Would I buy this again, I know the mouth feel isn't what it is supposed to be but this is a quality brew. it improves literally after every sip. Can't remember how much it costs, but F' it you only live once. Salud!

BlurryVisi0n, Feb 18, 2013
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4.75/5  rDev +11%

lonewolfcry, May 25, 2014
Photo of Blanco
3.75/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

this is a huge beer at 13.5% and the alcohol is there, but is not an issue. It's mostly just warming in the chest. Flavor is intensely complex with all the variations of maltiness: caramel, toffee, butterscotch, and molasses. Hints of chocolate and tootsie roll as well. Lots of residual sweetness.

I'm not sure what I think of this. I'm generally very iffy when it comes to malty brews in the old ale/barleywine category. I dislike most, but absolutely love some. And so i keep buying them. Not sure where I fall here. It's one where I don't think I can personally appreciate everything it brings. This is a true malt lovers dream though, and as I mentioned the complexity is impressive.

Blanco, Apr 26, 2012
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4.23/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Huge thanks to antlerwrestler19 for this one - 2011 vintage:

Such a raw looking beer. Deep, dark brown coffee body with an edge of ruby clarity that shows silky beading and a good amount of sexy legs and lace.

Gigantic dessert aromas explode from the glass... caramel, toffee, graham cracker, molasses, sweet grain... beautiful. It's a mellow sense of sweetness - it's not big enough to hide a big booze bill which is perfect because that wouldn't be necessary. The alcohol is surprisingly approachable; I don't know what keeps it in check. A touch of leather and s'more seem to do the trick.

A good amount of grape soda and tobacco surfaces on the palate. Some of that warming liqueur type flavor dries things up. Lots of toasted bread crusts and big grain flavors. There's a somewhat metallic finish that lingers over all of those surprisingly palatable malt notes. It's big. It's complex. It's tasty.

yamar68, Feb 25, 2013
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4.68/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2008 Vintage, an extra from a most generous trader, hoppymeal. Thanks a million D! The brown 12oz. long-neck pours into my Chimay chalice a deep rootbeer-ruby with great clarity and about a 1/2" of khaki, dense foam. Subtle, yet perfect carbonation for this style.

Sweet and malty, estery fruity nose that unfolds with complexity as it warms. Reminds me of sweet mead and raw honey. Dark ripe fruits as well and some grassy hops in the background.

Very sweet and fruity upfront, tasting alot like honeysuckle nectar, right off the flower. Malty notes of caramel and tropical fruit follow. The alcohol comes into play at this point and adds complexity and turns to the pleasant grassy hop bitter finish, with a touch of warmth. The ABV stated on the label is 11.8%, which keeps this brew to a sipper pace. Overall really sweet, with just enough balance to make the flavors shine...tasty stuff!

Full complex body with dialed carbonation and the flavor of an Old Ale like no other...very unique indeed. Would love to try this with even more age on it and will seek it in the future.

scottoale, Jan 24, 2009
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4/5  rDev -6.5%

TheRuss9585, May 14, 2013
Photo of Rastacouere
3.85/5  rDev -10%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Superb creamy egg shell head. Dark copper pour. Very sweet nose contains heavy brown sugar notes. French toast maple and bready richness form a sweetened candi sugar base among which the vegetal, barky and leafy hints are envelopped. Strong earthy vinous character, cognac-like smooth alcohol burn. Heavy toasted malts bring forth smoky tones that are later replaced by almost roasted grains. Complex fruitiness, very sweet, perhaps too much so, but it’s just admirable how many elements come and go before it’s over. Full bodied, smooth soft carbonation. Could be a bit drier, couldn’t be a bit more decadent.

Rastacouere, Nov 08, 2005
Photo of Rempo
4/5  rDev -6.5%

Rempo, Nov 20, 2011
Photo of kirok1999
4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to mcallister for the generosity. Served at about 60 degrees.
Pours a dark copper/bronze with just a wisp of light foam around the edge of the snifter.
Smell is of massive dark fruit with a candy sweetness.
Taste is a dark caramel malt bomb. Sweet and bready as well with lots of plum and raisin. Some mild carbonation and a slight spice note in the middle. Very dark caramel in the finish.
One of the best old ales I've ever had.

kirok1999, Mar 16, 2008
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4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

weonfire, Jun 17, 2014
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 915 ratings.