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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Reviews: 445
Hads: 998
Avg: 4.26
pDev: 13.62%
Wants: 601
Gots: 219 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Reviews: 445 | Hads: 998
Photo of beavers
4.23/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to Crittervision for opening this one up.

A: Chestnut brown with a luscious creamy cappuccino-like head that has outstanding retention and lacing.

S: Big nose of bready malts, spiced apples, black pepper, dark fruit puree.

T: Sweet bready (yeasty) malt up front, tart apples, brown sugar (chewing tobacco!), cinnamon, roasted (slighty chocolatey) malt finish, slightly warming alcohol. Lingering sweetness and becomes more and more present with each sip.

M: Full bodied with moderate carbonation. Works well with the sweetness.

D: This is a big beer and the alcohol is very well integrated. This is surely a sipper and a great one at that.

This is classified as an Old Ale, but you could have told me English Barleywine and I would have believed you. It fits both categories well.

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4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle poured into a tulip, part of a generous trade from a great trader, semibaked! The pour generates two fingers of head that dissipate quickly, leaving a ring that lingers throughout. The color is a really dark brown with a brick rim. The nose is very sweet malty and slightly boozy. I'm getting some walnut and honey that I really like in the smell. The flavor is caramel and malt all the way. Man this is sweet but in a very good way. Balanced by the good carbonation and bitterness. The finish is warm but approaching hot with a lingering sugar sweetness. Great beer, would have many times over, 13.5% but no problems finishing this 12oz'er.

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Photo of brewtechnik
3.93/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A: Looks like muddy water when poured into my glass. Zero head.

S: Malt Bomb! Resembles Utopias, lots of ethanol mixed with caramel, raison, chocolate, and, well, malt. Oak also comes through. Almost no hop character.

T: Very slight bitterness, alcohol presence right away, and lingers. Again, malt forward with lots of sweetness but not cloying. Lots of dark fruit flavors in the background. The oak character is perfect.

M: Thinner than I would expect, alcohol lingers but is not hot. low bitterness. Very-very low carbonation.

O: If you like the Utopias "style" of beer, then you would enjoy this. Lots of malt, very low hop character and low carbonation. But, very delicious and boozy. I feel good after just one :)

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5/5  rDev +17.4%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

By far one of the greatest beers ever made. It is too bad this place doesn't get more reviews.

The Fourth is the best they make.

Pours very dark in color with a nice off tan head. Has almost a molasses type color too it. If you have ever had sorgum, you'll know the color.

How do give a beer the rich caramel, molasses, chocolate, leather and velvet taste and flavor? I don't know how the brothers do it.

This is a big beer, where the ABV is covered nicely. I have to limit myself to one per visit. It finishes strong & smooth.

I have 12 bottles, so I will give them a taste once the K-brewery runs out....carry me over until next December...

Serving type: on-tap

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Photo of sparkydoyle
4.97/5  rDev +16.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Dark color (somewhere between maple syrup and old motor oil), minimal oily yellow head clings to side of glass. Inviting and complex nose offers maltyness, bourbon, sweetness, licorice and ripe fruits (plums and raisins).

Taste is sweet and alcoholic up front, and becomes complex as the tongue dries off, with raisins, malty sweetness, and a scotchlike woodiness in the finish. Mouthfeel is rich, slightly full, but backs off as you swallow. Very low in diacetyl notes and offering a variety of esters in enjoyable restraint.

A surprisingly drinkable old ale. I’d like to have another, can you drive me home?

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Photo of J0E
4.55/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A 2010 bottle poured into an oversized snifter. The appearance is ok. When viewed head on, it is dark almost opaque, but it's actually a copper orange when held to the light. No head when poured, only a little bit of fizz. The smell is sweet, burnt caramel, a little bit of raisiny fruit, but all very balanced. The taste is much like the nose. It's very sweet with lots of the caramel mixed with that hint of fruit (but not all raisin - there is some tangy citrus to it as well). A little bit of burnt biscuit or something. Very complex and different things pop out with each sip. It's nice and thick. Almost syrupy and coats the whole palate. I don't get much of the alcohol heat, which is a change from the last time I had this Non-barrel version. I think the little bit of extra time it's had in the bottle was very good to the beer.

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4.72/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. brown bottle; brewed on 08-01-04, best before 2010; $2.79 for single bottle

Pours an almost opaque deep ruby color with orange/amber tints around the edges and a thick creamy head that dissipates slowly and leaves beautiful yet sparse lace on the sides of the glass. The aroma is mostly caramel sweet with some sherry, raisin, and molasses notes detected along with just a hint of spiciness from the hops. The flavor here is all malt. It is a sweet caramel malt flavor with just enough noble hops bitterness to balance this big boy out. There are some hints of raisin, sherry, molasses and brown sugar along with some alcohol warming. This beer is big in the mouthfeel department, smooth, creamy and chewy all the way to the end. The flavors will linger on your tongue long after the beer is gone... and that is a good thing! Now this is my kind of beer!

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4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2008 vintage bottle.

Pours brown with a lively oatmeal-colored head.

Smells of malty dark fruits, figs, raisins, dates and vanilla.

Taste is very sweet. Banana bread, raisins, figs, etc. Also vanilla, caramel, and toffee. Rich and decadent.

Mouthfeel is really nice; thick and rich but a decent amount of fine carbonation makes for a creamy smooth mouthfeel.

A sipper for sure due to the high ABV and rich sweet flavors. The perfect beer for a fall day in MI.

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4.66/5  rDev +9.4%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

On tap at Hopcat. Six bucks for a glass of heaven!

Looks a beautiful deep amber. Like Churchill's snifter waiting for a cigar to get going. Not much head but with lacy lacing down the side.

Not a lot of aroma to be found but the flavor is smooth and brandy-like, slight sweet (others liken it to marshmallow). Rolls perfectly off the palate and down the throat.

A great sensual experience to savor. Thank God I live in Michigan!

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4.27/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle w/ jessethehutt courtesy of MiScusi. 2007 edition.

Burnt amber color with minimal head. Spotty lacing. Smells like vanilla custard, toffee, fig. Taste is more dark fruit, raisin, followed by sweet malt and pumpkin pie spices. Finishes with some alcohol bitterness. Creamy, mouth coating; medium to low carbonation. Alcohol bitterness knocks down mouthfeel a notch. Fairly drinkable for almost 12% abv.

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3.66/5  rDev -14.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Thanks to mbrasi for the extra. 2009 version.
A: A reddish brown color, pours a slightly brown creamy head. A nice looking beer, looks dark and delicious.

S: Dark fruits and a sweet taste, caramel. Smells like this is going to taste boozy.

T: Taste starts out sweet, malt and caramel dominate. Then the flavor moves on to a strong dark fruit flavor, I'd say raisins. Dark fruit taste lingers on the tongue long after your sip. This beer is too sweet in my opinion but the flavors are interesting.

M: Full bodied and a bit sticky from the sweetness.

D: I'm really enjoying this beer, but the ABV is very obvious and I couldn't see myself drinking more than one at a time.

O: Overall I'm glad I got to try this beer, I'd been interested in it for a while now.

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4.82/5  rDev +13.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a stemless wine glass. 2008

Translucent toffee with a few finger head and ceaseless retention. Lacing all over the place.

Butterscotch, hops, malt honey and slight bitterness on the nose.

As it warms up the palate reveals Great Butterscotch. It goes from burnt caramel to perfect toffee as you continue to sip.

The balance is amazing between sweet and hop. Alcohol is masked in a treat that is truly an endulgance.

Will seek more of this in differnt years and to experience this one of a kind brew again!

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4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle Dated 2.16.05
a= really did not see this one coming. Poured a dark brown, and then seemed to turn to dark amber. Very thin white head was gone in it 2 seconds.

s= Loads of berries, caramel, malts & zest of lemon.

t= Champagne caramel taste right off the bat. Alcohol followed right after. Then raisons, fig & brown

m= A little acidic, the taste overwhelms that fact.

d= would definitely be able to enjoy more than one. Although you would want another BA near you, way too many flavors in this beer for one person to determine.

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4.85/5  rDev +13.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Damn near perfect. Without question the best olde ale that I've ever had. Exremely complex but still balanced. Very syrupy. Can keep it in your mouth forever and the longer you wait the more you find. Alcohol comes through in the finish, accompanied by a last-minute hoppy bitterness. It could be a desert beer - but there are so many layers to the malt that you don't really consider it a sweet beer while you drink it. A thick head was not expected for this style, however it did seem slightly under-carbonated - perhaps a bit more and the palette would be opened up to dig through the layers of flavor. As I continue to drink this brew, more and more I'm impressed by the finish - the alcohol dries things out and the hop-content thrives.

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4.1/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Much thanks to bakerslp for this one. 12oz bottle, had a low fill - bottom of the neck. Poured into a pint glass.

A: Pours a thick, dark reddish/brown, slight lacing, decent legs

S: Very sweet, molasses, strong alcohol

T: Much like the smell, complexity of sugars with molasses and prunes, a little tartiness, definitely taste the 11%

M: It tickles your bitter senses, leaves a sweet coating on the entire palate. Behind all the sugars theres a really smooth finish, especially noticed towards the bottom of the glass as the beer warms up.

D: Very nice, but the intensity of the sugars & alcohol make each sip a lot to handle

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4.31/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a snifter. Very thin head with a dark mahogany red body. Smell is fruity, cherry, raisins, with a slight spice background.
Taste is unbelievable. Sweet taste (as it smells) and maybe a hint of chocolate in there. Malty malty malty. Some slight Roasted tones in there as well. A little alcohol is present, but I can barely feel/taste it. The body coats the glass after every drink.

Good work Kuhnhenn, one helluva brew there.

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5/5  rDev +17.4%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This is what I call an after dinner beer. The taste is divine, taste like the beer version of a fine cognac, this is due to the high alcohol content of the beer. This is one of my favorite beers.

I am somewhat a world traveler and love to sample beer in various countries
so I have sampled a fairly large number of beers. I do admit the stout from Belgium was also divine.

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4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A-Dark reddish/brown with virtually no head. What little foam there was, was tan in color, but dissipated almost immediately leaving only a very thin ring around the glass. A few very small bubbles visible at pour, but after a few seconds carbonation is not visible.

S-Sweet, fruity brandy like aroma with hint of oak. No discernible hop aroma.

T- Starts off sweet, malty with alcohol/brandy flavors dominating. Finishing with oak flavors and here comes the hops. Not so much hop flavor as definite hop bitterness. Nice warmth as it goes down.

M- Feels silky, almost syrupy at first, but the carbonation that was absent visually, now quickly reveals itself in the mouth releasing some of the flavors mentioned earlier along with that hop bitterness.

D- Very good Old Ale but most definitely not a session beer. I wish I had shared it with a friend (12oz too much for me). This is one to enjoy in small amounts on a cold winters night IMO.

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4.3/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance- Rich dark cherry color, consistent and little to no head probably due to alcohol content

Smell- nice cherry smell, continues rich, the remainder of the scent but reminds me of dark fruits, and it smells sweet and deep. Can smell either brown sugar or molasses, when I tried to smell figs and the beer in short order, I could distinctly smell figs.

Taste- This tastes really wonderful, as I continued to drink it, the taste got stronger, deeper and better. Complex taste that has character at the start, sweetness in the middle, and solid finish. No taste is overpowering and no single taste dominates. As such, the strength of the flavor never overpowers your palate. For a beer with such a high alcohol content, this beer has a well rounded taste. As the beer warms in your glass the flavor only improves. Can taste dark cherry and figs/dates.

Mouthfeel- creamy feel in your mouth, sweet but not sugary, subtle tastes help this high alcohol content beer from having an overpowering feel while drinking it, and the finish is smooth and continues to develop the flavor rather than leaving any type of after-taste that could possibly ruin the experience.

Drinkability- This is a great beer that I could have a couple glasses of. Due to the complexity of the flavor, I'm not sure that more than 2 or 3 glasses would continue to be great, but the both glasses I enjoyed were great and the flavor got better the more in took over my palate.

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
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