Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 927
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.29
pDev: 8.86%
Wants: 568
Gots: 207 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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4.88/5  rDev +13.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Bottled 8-1-04, best before 2010. 11% ABV. Seems like the one most people have been reviewing recently.

This one poured into my chalice a clear, deep ruby red, with absolutely no head. An extremely thin line of foam was evident where the ale met the glass.

Aroma was incredibly complex. Sweet dark fruits, oaken notes, and a rich malt core. There was a little tang of alcohol. Excellent.

Taste... WOW! I am not a huge fan of old ales, but this one was incredible! I loved Adam, but this one blew it away. Dark fruits, rich lightly roasted malts, and definite sweetness. Alcohol was present but restrained, in perfect proportion.

Mouthfeel was thick, rich, and syrupy. It coated the tongue with flavor and held it there.

Drinkability was wonderful. I would gladly have two or three of these at a sitting, and pace myself accordingly. This one just got better as it warmed in the glass. I could see myself enjoying this one again and again, were it available in my area.

Hearty thanks to Erik in Michigan for the trade!

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4.43/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

2010 bottle. A murky dark mahogany with lots of chunks floating and swirling around. Some lace and a remnants of the light wispy head sitting on top. Smell is a fusion of brandy/rum and beer with a heavy sweetness and lots of burnt sugar flowing into a heavy alcoholic presence. Some bits of dark roasted grains and yeasty fruitiness. Chocolate laps at the nose. Raisins and figs in there as well. Taste is densely sweet with the aforementioned raisins and figs. Notes of coffee and bitter cocoa powder. Hops are here in abundance and still they barely control the massive sugar content of this ale. Earthy in character and mildly pungent they bring a semblance of balance to this beer. Feel is thick. Thick like a sandwich from the Carnegie Deli in NYC, ( You can get four slices of extra bread and still have to stretch your mouth to bite it ). Carbonation is mild and gentle with enough pop to break up the syrupy, sticky nectar. This is a beer equivalent to Napoleon Brandy with a warming quality that keeps your swallows in check. Try to pound this one and you are lost cause. Sip, savor and warm up as you indulge your senses in this one. While it may work with sweeter desserts I'm thinking nuts and full flavored cheeses as a perfect compliment to this one.

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4.15/5  rDev -3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle served in a snifter.

pours a murky, deep amber / mahogany tone while yielding a short-lived 1/4" beige head - to be expected given the big ABV here. the nose is fairly complex and enticing, offering a lot of dark fruit, caramel / toffee, molasses, and some vanilla. alcohol presence also evident.

all of the aforementioned pull through in the flavor. big dark fruit and caramel / toffee presence mingles with secondary notes of molasses, vanilla, and a touch of anise. chewy, full bodied mouthfeel with slightly below average carbonation.

overall there's a lot to like here; very, very tasty brew. (the barrel aged version, however, is in another league.)

(originally reviewed: 01-30-2012)

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4.63/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Let me say first that this was noted on the bottle as being an Old Ale made in 2004. However, this strikes me as remarkably similar to some of their other beers -- its texture not unlike the raspberry eisbock and its flavor not unlike the bourbon barrel imperial stout. I wonder if this is an offshoot of the latter? The same recipe with slightly different treatment and then bottled as an old ale instead? Something similar? Perhaps I'm not recalling the other beer well enough, but for those familiar with their beers, this will definitely make you remember those others you've had before.

Smells like viscous sludge made of pureed fruit. Mild hints of coffee and chocolate covered raisins. You can tell immediately this will be incredibly good and quite flavorful.

And it is.

Sweet, sweet beer. Incredibly deep, potent caramel flavors with bourbon barrel characteristics. Soft, velvet feel. Quite oily. The alcohol is hidden quite well, though a flavor that strikes me as sweetned blackberry puree with confectioners sugar might simply be an offshoot of the alcohol flavor. Regardless, it's quite well put together.

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4.7/5  rDev +9.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Most recent batch into Kuhnhenn snifter/tulip (They call it their "Belgian" glass)

A- Super murky, almost black pour with just a thin light tan ring around the glass. Lacing is spotty but the alcohol just grips the glass.

S- Wow, okay... where to begin. Huge brown sugar, vanilla, plum, raisin with a nice coffee, chocolate and molasses sweetness in the back. Slight leather and tobacco. The alcohol is super hidden. I don't know if this makes sense but is smells syrupy and sticky.

T- My goodness... Massive raisins and dates and figs, followed by huge char taste of toast and tobacco. Coffee and chocolate followed by vanilla, brown sugar and molasses. The finish is bitter and something I would describe of grape skins.

M- Like I guessed in the aroma it's syrupy and sticky. Heavier than medium bodied, super low carbonation with a touch of alcohol warmth.

O- This is something I've been wanting to try since I found out about Kuhnhenn. It really doesn't disappoint. After driving all through Michigan and stopping there before leaving the country I was happy to get 4 of these AND 4 of the bourbon version. I love this and can't wait to try the other.

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4.29/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.25

Served in an over-sized wine glass (La Trappe signature glass).

Appearance: A really dark almost opaque hazy brown. What kills me is the head, there is none. I can tell just by appearance this brew might lack carbonation. Head for what is is maybe 1/10', light tan.

Smell: Strong burnt brown sugar scent that is more aroma than anything else...it hovers your nose like heat to a flame.

Taste: What a strong alcohol taste this beer has granted the ABV level is well above average. Heavy molasses feel which makes you feel sweetness makes you think this beer was aged in bourbon barrels.

Mouth: Light carbonation and when it comes to an old ale I was expecting a little more, as far as stickiness is concerned this brew sticks like moth to a light. I put it down and pairing it with sharp cheddar cheese it just doesn't leave. Flat somewhat sticky very and for that I won't hate on quality.

Overall: Would I buy this again, I know the mouth feel isn't what it is supposed to be but this is a quality brew. it improves literally after every sip. Can't remember how much it costs, but F' it you only live once. Salud!

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3.68/5  rDev -14.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

My buddy snagged a bottle of this at DLD 2008 and was kind enough to break it out near the end of a recent tasting. From notes:

A. Dingy, not quite clear brown. Soupy. Lingering 2cm tan head. Not much active carbonation.

S. Hmm, classic Kuhnhenn over-the-top nose. Lucious and sweet with loads of sugar from all different colors. Pine-like and bitter from a large amounts of hops that haven't died out yet. Some chocolate and plums are lurking in there too... oh yeah, and a distinct boozy, barleywine like aroma. Complex, but a little hot and doesn't come together *quite* as well as it could.

T. How unusual... this is very aggressive and flavorful. Bitter hops, sweet syrupy caramel and some nearly sour, tart fruit (or fermentation character) all are on stage here. Surprisingly hoppy and bold for an old ale, perhaps this is a young bottle? A little oxidized and sherry like too. Cherries are hidden under the pile of other flavors, oddly. Overall it's brash and eye opening. Sweetness is a bit over the top (like a lot of Kuhnhenn's brews), but ok for the style. This is good, but young and rough.

M. Warm, boozy, sticky and generally dense. Finishes bittersweet and sugary / hoppy.

D. Not so great. Too much going on that doesn't mesh well. Fourth Dementia is likely a decent sipper for a cold night, but I also bet it improves greatly with a couple years.

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4.55/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

2008

Poured this one a little too quickly and overflowed my 16 oz. glass with 4 fingers of head. Caught me off guard since I didn't have that problem a couple weeks ago when I tried it for the first time. Anyway...dark brown in color with a bit of sticky lacing in places. Great retention. Smell is deep dark fruits and earthy hops. If this was magnified a little bit it would be something special, but I suppose subtlety is nice too. The taste is absolutely magnificent. This is called an "old ale" but if I did a blind tasting I would assume it was an English Barleywine. A sharp sting of dark fruits hits you quickly, with some wood characteristics and a complex mash of other goodies underneath. Full bodied and highly drinkable at 11.8%. This is an incredible beer.

12/26 UPDATE 2009 RELEASE: I think my '08 bottle may have been infected because I just poured an '09 and the head was much smaller. Luckily, it didn't taste that way at the time.

I have already noticed that the nose on this '09 is far superior to my original review. This is a huge blast of alcohol heat, raisins, and some citrus notes. The taste is actually more subtle in this edition, but it maintains all of its original complexity and actually may provide for an even more drinkable experience. The body is still full and damn near perfect for an old ale. The alcohol may be a bit too fusel for some people, but I think that this '09 release will age absolutely fantastically for years to come. I have now changed my rating by bumping up the smell and dropping the taste and drinkability a half a point because of the booziness.

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4.5/5  rDev +4.9%

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 927 ratings.