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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)

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878 Ratings
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Ratings: 878
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 557
Gots: 206 | FT: 26
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of tempest
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had a small glass at the Stag's Head. I had a couple other nice beers at the Stag, but man this one stood out. It wasn't overly thick and there's was no knock of alcohol. The flavor was a rich mix of dates, raisins, caramel, and cocoa. There were mild hints of toffee, cola, and grapefruit hops to round this out, making for a fantastic dessert beer.

tempest, Sep 05, 2011
Photo of barleywinefiend
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Poured a caramel color with a nice tan cap and some bubbles

S: Holy caramel, bourbon, figs, raisins and booze

T:Immediate caramel sweetness with some bourbon heat and a massive amount of residual sugar. Figs, riasins and tobacco are very prevelant in this beer, all the way through. Caramel, toffee and big sugar seem to be the key notes

M: Warm, sweet and boozey on the end. Medium to big body, well carbonated

O: Very nice but as sweet as this beer is a sure headache and sugar rush would follow on a single beer. Wow.

barleywinefiend, Jan 08, 2012
Photo of Georgiabeer
4.45/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks very much to WeisGuy for the chance to try this beer. Pours a dark brown, close to black with a thin head that fades to a very thin ring. Smells of licorice and blackstrap molasses, slightly treacly, and herbal, but not sweet. The taste starts with more of that European style licorice flavor- not sweet, but more earthy and bitter, in fact a deeply herbal bitterness is present in this beer, like Fernet Branca. To me, that is delicious, but be prepared for the amaro like bitterness. More blackstrap on the finish. Complex and delicious. Low carbonation and a tiny bit sticky in the mouthfeel, but still reasonable. Very interesting, I like this a lot, but I wouldn't call this a particularly balanced beer.

Georgiabeer, Mar 16, 2008
Photo of duceswild
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

duceswild, Apr 26, 2013
Photo of rhoadsrage
4.6/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

2007
(Served in a snifter)
Thanks to sarcastro for the trade
A- This beer pours a dark brown dense body with a faint amber hue to it. On top is a sticky light tan head that fades in the middle but last around the edges.

S- The smell of caramel malt has notes of darker roasted malt and cinnamon tree bark with a pine needle hop finish.

T- The rich caramel malt flavor is very full with a slight sweetness and a graham note that is almost inky in flavor. There is a faint cinnamon quality to the malt. This big malt flavor blends with the woody bitter notes of piney hops that has a faint mint quality to it. The caramel sweetness lingers just a bit blending with the alcohol nicely.

M- This beer has a medium-full mouthfeel with a very soft alcohol heat making my tongue beg for more. As the beer warms the alcohol increases pulling out the hop flavors and malt flavors at the finish.

D- This beer has a great bold flavor of malt with some interesting malt flavors to it and a nice hop support. The depth seems to unveil itself as the beer warms and this is a great example of this style. I would be interested to see what this beer taste like as it ages becuase the hops add so much to it fresh.

rhoadsrage, May 30, 2008
Photo of BARFLYB
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

BARFLYB, Mar 24, 2013
Photo of mothman
4.08/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2008 Vintage

Poured into Duck Rabbit Snifter

Pours 1/2 finger of light tan head. Great retention. Color is a dark brown.

Aroma: A very warming ale. A lot of raisins, plums, and molasses. Some booze shows but it works for this one. Rich and malty. I get some toffee flavors. Nice.

Taste: Rich and malty. Toffee and caramel. Molasses is heavy with raisins and licorice. Not very much booze shows, but it is warming. Caramel and toffee malts. I like it.

Mouthfeel: Smooth and warming. Medium bodied with a nice amount of carbonation. It is a little higher than most old ales, but it works. Ends dry.

Overall, a pretty nice old ale. It is a bit malty, but I like the warming flavors. Much better than a lot of the other old ales out there.

mothman, Oct 16, 2010
Photo of superspak
4.53/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12 ounce bottle into signature tulip glass, 2010 vintage. Pours dense and hazy dark reddish copper color with a small khaki head with good retention, that reduces to a thin cap that lingers. Some nice lacing clings to the glass. Aromas of huge raisin, caramel, toffee, prune, toast, tobacco, earth, wood, molasses, bread, cocoa, leather, and light herbal spiciness. Fantastic aromas with awesome balance and complexity. Taste of huge caramel, raisin, prune, molasses, toffee, tobacco, toast, leather, cocoa, earth, wood, and light herbal spiciness. Light herbal bitterness on the finish; with lingering notes of dark fruit, toffee, caramel, molasses, tobacco, earth, wood, toast, and light herbal spiciness on the finish for a while. Fantastic flavor balance and complexity; with no cloying flavors at all despite the long finish. light-medium carbonation and full bodied; with an awesome creamy, thick, and slick mouthfeel. Alcohol is extremely well hidden for 13.5% with only a warming present after the finish. Definitely a sipper, but is still very smooth as such. Overall this is an absolutely incredible old ale! The age has done great things to this, and I will definitely hold on to the 2011 bottles I have. Hugely complex and balanced stuff.

superspak, Jul 09, 2012
Photo of Huhzubendah
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle split two ways thanks to ahalloin.

Mahogany hue with a very substantial head and plenty of lace. Aromas of sweet tobacco, alcohol, rich malts, raisins. This beer has great complexity. My initial thoughts upon my first sip were that this instantly reminds me of a great English barleywine, particularly J.W. Lees. Secondly, this beer tastes much older than it is. I really thought the alcohol, while certainly not hidden, did not overpower the beer or present any undesirable harshness on the palate. There is a long, lingering aftertaste consisting of sweet caramels, toffee. Warming alcohol in the finish. Great beer. Probably best in small quantities.

Huhzubendah, May 15, 2010
Photo of Wasatch
4.45/5  rDev +4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks stouty1 for the brew.

Brewed On: 02-16-05
Best Before: 2011

My first Kuhnhenn.

Poured into a chalice a slightly cloudy dark amber color, some carbonation, no head or lacing. The nose is of sweet/spicy malts, some hops, slight vanilla, and caramel. The taste is big of sweet malts, hops, and caramel. There's a nice oily/sweetness going on with first sip, then there's a slight dry/bitterness in the finish. Nice warming factor the whole way down. Medium body, nice rounded brew. Very drinkable, but watch out, LOL This is a very tasty Old Ale, hopefully I will get a chance to try out other Kuhnhenn brew's soon.

Wasatch, Mar 14, 2007
Photo of Gonzoillini
4.75/5  rDev +11%

Gonzoillini, Mar 07, 2013
Photo of ppoitras
2.95/5  rDev -31.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

12oz bottle obtained via Local BIF from mjd83goblue. Label notes 2009 vintage, 12.5% abv. Thanks for the opportunity. <Jeremy2002 = bad trader>

Poured into a DFH chalice, formed a 1/4" brown head above the clear burgundy brew. Head is quickly down to a swirl of bubbles, with lots of legs and fleeting small-bubbled lace.

Aroma is sweet, fruity, and alcoholic. Taste starts sweet, goes Robitussin cherry in the middle, hops and strong alcohol at the close. Mouthfeel is slickery, and drinkability is pretty limited, in my book. Too much over the top, not enough enjoyable brew this time around.

2/8/07 - 4/3.5/3.5/3.5/3 - 3.55
12oz bottle obtained via trade with CRJMellor. Thanks for the opportunity... Label notes brewdate of 2/16/05, best before 2011.

Poured into an imperial pint glass, formed 1/2" tan head over the cloudy reddish brown brew. Head lasts nicely, with average lacing. Aroma is grains, tart fruitiness, and alcohol. Flavor is sweet to start, with heavy dark fruitiness in the middle, which fades into an alcohol aftertaste. Mouthfeel and drinkability are okay, but this one just seems too fruity and tart for the style. More like cough syrup, unfortunately.

ppoitras, Aug 28, 2010
Photo of Mebuzzard
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

Mebuzzard, Jun 11, 2014
Photo of brandoman63
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

brandoman63, Nov 29, 2011
Photo of John_M
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Many thanks to Dyan for sharing this beer with me, my first ever beer from Kuhnhenn Brewing.

The beer pours a dark brown color with very good head retention and lacing. The nose on this beer is huge, presenting brown sugar, butter, chocolate and leather. Mama mia, this beer smells great! Flavors on the palate replicate the nose, and I'm impressed by how incredibly rich tasting and intense the flavor profile is. Furthermore, despite considerable sweetness, this beer was not the least bit heavy, cloying or tiring on the palate. I get some slight woodiness on the finish, which only adds to the extremely long and smooth finish. Alcohol is noticeable, but is not intrusive in any way. Still, this is clearly a sipper, and one is all I can ever imagine having of this fine beer. Nevertheless, this is a very flavorful, very big, and very fine beer. Excellent stuff.

John_M, Oct 06, 2009
Photo of biegaman
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

2012 Vintage tasted 17/6/13 (13.5%)

Let us assume that Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia is indeed the product of some alternative universe, one where flatness, sludgy murkiness and muddy brown colouring are considered aesthetic qualities for a beer to have. In the eyes of that world it would be a model beer... but in this one it looks like something you'd unclog from your bathroom sink.

Just smelling 4D you'd want to have some tissue on hand in case it sticks to and hangs off your nose; its aroma comes across incredibly resinous and viscous. It's as if the brewery covered tree bark in a hard caramel coating and smeared figs and bruised plums across it. The glass smells as though it's been glazed in some kind of anise seed wax.

Persistence in trying to pick out more and more from the aroma might result a headache - it's that intense - but sipping the beer is a sweet and sublime exercise in relaxation. Vanilla candle and caramel flavours really come to the fore along with all kinds of Christmas-cake dried fruits and spices. The musty oak barrel notes crumble into a chocolate and port-like finish.

High alcohol may give the beer sherry-like undertones but a near chewy maltiness provides enough body in the form of dark toffee and chocolate-covered wafers. A bleached-out, long-steeped English Breakfast bitterness mingles with figs, dates and plum pudding on the finish. The earthy, bittersweet profile is reminiscent of a strong chestnut honey.

4D doesn't have to be sipper but it's a wise to way to consume a beer that is both strong and complex; each mouthful reminds one of just how much can be derived from only a few measly ounces (bought with, it must be said, more than just a few measly dollars). Mind you the beer's high price tag is reflective of a rich beer, one that gives even more with bottle age.

Any Kuhnhenn in the cellar means life is good. Kuhnhenn beers - the barrel-aged offerings in particular - are objects against which to measure the rest of your life. Though they aren't cheap, these beers aren't about being well-heeled – they're about being well-off, in the sense that you have the fortunate circumstances to enjoy some of America's most rare and unique ales.

biegaman, Jun 17, 2013
Photo of smakawhat
4.15/5  rDev -3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from the bottle into a snifter glass. THanks for the extra wade5614.

A real nice orange glowing amber out the bottle, hits with a muted brown and faint orange/ruby body. There is nearly no head on this beer, barely even a collar makes it through of faint tan color. I'd score this average but the body color is quite nice I must admit.

Interesting nose. Malty richness with a wooden feel to it. Molasses turned down in a sort of chewy sense. Strangely feels a little spicy and salty. Interesting, this salt and sweet molasess character melds nicely I like it. There's a hint of heat.

Rich tasting with an almost Flanders cherry character. Finishes with a faint black pepper and spice and controlled quick heat, but not boozy. Malty rich with a very light body nearly wet, and splintery character. Hints at Scotch Ale style smoke also.

What an interesting brew. As I sip on this, I am craving BBQ pork. Very enjoyable, even though some factors don't hit the A mark. Would love to try the barrel aged version.

smakawhat, Jun 28, 2012
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4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

rab53, Sep 21, 2013
Photo of Latarnik
4.75/5  rDev +11%

Latarnik, May 23, 2014
Photo of billab914
4.15/5  rDev -3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2009 vintage poured into my CBS snifter. It poured a murky dark brown color with just some faint traces of a head clinging to the edges of the glass.

The aroma has a lot of dark fruits to it with some prominent notes of raisin and fig coming through as well as a touch of cherry. A little sweeter, caramel malt flavor is there along with some alcohol.

The taste shows more of a sweeter component to the dark fruits with the cherry and caramel assuming the lead role. A little of the raisin and fig like flavor that was prominent in the aroma comes through in the finish. I get a bit of chocolate to it as well. The alcohol is a little better hidden in the taste as well.

The mouthfeel is medium bodied for the style with carbonation being moderate. Overall, it's a very good beer with some really nice, bold flavors to it. It's little boozy and sweet at times, which prevents it from being truly great though in my opinion. Overall A very solid beer to sip on this evening though.

billab914, Apr 26, 2012
Photo of Kelp
4/5  rDev -6.5%

Kelp, Jan 23, 2013
Photo of Viggo
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very pretty ruby red/brown colour, slight haze, small tan head forms, recedes to a ring around the glass, lots of lace. Smell is insane malt, lots of caramel, molasses, some chocolate, and floral hops. Taste is very caramel and sweet malt, with some molasses. Some chocolate and floral hops come through, as well as a little alcohol. Very nice bitter finish. Full bodied, low carbonation, warming alcohol burn down the esophagus and really coats the mouth. Very very good, thanks for the pickup DrJay.

Viggo, Sep 20, 2005
Photo of dmorgan310
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

dmorgan310, Jun 28, 2013
Photo of DrJay
4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very slightly hazy, very dark, ruby red colour topped by a light tan head that showed very good retention and left thick lacing on the glass. Intensely malty aroma with rich caramel and toffee, molasses, and a hint of vanilla. The dark, ripe fruitiness becomes a deep vinous aroma with noticeable alcohol character as it warms. Malty sweet flavour to start, it just gets more and more complex. Caramel, toffee, molasses, and ripe fruits are strongest initially, with a bit of oak, vanilla, and nuttiness underneath. Bitterness comes forward part way through and a very light hoppiness appears towards the end, but it remains very, very restrained. The finish is a combination of caramel sweetness and warm alcohol flavour. Full, chewy body that stops just short of being syrupy, with moderately low carbonation. This is a very fine beer, made with exceptional craftsmanship. Definitely the stand-out offering that was available at Kuhnhenn during my visit.

DrJay, May 25, 2005
Photo of JohnGalt1
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2007 vintage received a while back from DLucky.... I tried a bottle my bro brought over a couple of months back and it piqued my interest.. so... tonight is the night. Poured into my New Belgium snifter.

Aggressive pour lends only a short lived 3/4" head with a nice cap.. the brew is a beautiful deep brown with bright crimson highlites when held to a light... very pretty and a unique looking brew... nice lace as the liquid slowly drops.

Aroma is very complex... reminds me of an English BW and an older Tawny port.. fruity and leathery with a mild spicy hop background... raisins and lite figs ...

The flavor is huge and comes in waves... very thick malty presence ... with abundant dried fruit .... figs.. lite prune.. fairly sweet.. dry cigar wrapper.. again is reminiscent of an aged English BW... but very aged.. spicy and peppery.... a little bit of ETOH heat.. but actually adds to the overall presentation.. the body is thick and coating.. maybe a little sweet for my palate.. but I honestly think it should probably be cellared for a while longer.. maybe years... what do I know? The carbonation is alot more lively than expected... pouring this one, I did not expect as much.

This brew is a sleeper.. because the finish is sooo long... I am really liking it... now I just need to find a good connection for Kuhnhenn.

Thanks Dan for the fantastic trade.

JohnGalt1, Dec 26, 2008
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 878 ratings.