Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Reviews: 446
Hads: 987
rAvg: 4.24
pDev: 6.37%
Wants: 592
Gots: 217 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Reviews: 446 | Hads: 987
Photo of cosmicevan
4.09/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

had this side-by-side with the BB4D at a barrel aged tasting on 2011-08-06.

clear amber color with no head at all. kind of bock like in the smell...very fruity, nutmeg, very sweet, caramel, spicy malt. flavor is nice, raising, figs, caramel malts. mouth is also good. little heavy, but the booze is well hidden. overall pretty good, not a candle to the BB4D though.

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2012-03-28 2011 vintage into kuhnhenn snifter...

3.5 - 4 - 4.5 - 4 - 4.5

brew poured a deep purple with a thin frothy creamy head that hung out for a few minutes. smell is exactly as last time, nutmeg, caramel and some vanilla malt and plum. really well done old ale. flavor is dominated by rasins and figs. strong sweetness, almost quadlike. booze is invisibile. great beer, a bit overly sweet. the BA takes this great beer and makes it legendary, always a treat to have the original. (871 characters)

Photo of gford217
4.22/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle courtesy of Knight84 and Hoppymeal poured into a snifter.

A: Pours a dark brown mahogany with a small dense head that diminishes quickly leaving almost no bubbles and no lacing.

S: Big caramel malt smell dominates the nose with raisins and molasses mixed in. There is also a definite alcohol sting in there as well.

T: Taste follows the smell with molasses and raisins up front giving way to the huge caramel malt taste. The finish is slightly smoky with the alcohol making its presence felt as well.

M: Mouthfeel is smooth and almost syrupy with little carbonation in the mix. The high sugar content makes it a bit sticky.

D: This is an excellent beer though the syrupy sweet mouthfeel takes away from the drinkability slightly. Still, very nice. (764 characters)

Photo of mynie
4.06/5  rDev -4.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Aged a year and a half in my fine beer cellar (the closet in my office). Bottle sez it's best before 2011 and seeing as we're not even halfway through 2008 I figure I'm golden.

Sort of a gluppy, undercarbonated pour. I was worried for a second that it had gone flat but then I saw bubbles springing up from the bottom and heaved a sigh of relief. Looks like soda poured from a 2-liter that had been sitting in the fridge too long.

Smells pretty dang nice, though. The malt is intensely syrupy sour, tons of very rich and overripe fruits. Like a good, traditional old ale, this smells... well, old.

Tastes of stingy malted fruit and zippy yeasty alcohol. No hops to speak up, which I guess aren't standard for the style but the folks at Ft. Collins use them in their old ale so I guess they're not banned. The complexity is intense, nearly overwhelming, and while its overall quite nice there are a few off nodes. The syrupiness is a bit much, and the zingy sour nodes really could have used something--not hops, even, but some spice on the yeast--to cut into them.

The body is surprisingly firm, though, and while this is a sipper it still goes down like gold. Overall a very fine beer, but maybe not quite what I was hoping it would be. (1,245 characters)

Photo of cbutova
3.5/5  rDev -17.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz 2010 vintage shared by Chico1985.

A- Red brown ale with a small silky white head. It forms and dies out fairly quickly. Spotty lace on the glass from a cloud and ring atop the beer.

S- Big caramel dark fruit with a tiny stale feel. Raisins, spice, brown sugar, toasted nuts and slight buttery notes also come to mind.

T- Fruit forward old ale with a nice caramel backdrop. Raisin, molasses and brown sugar as well.

MF- Lower end carbonation with a moderately thick and oily feel. Some alcohol warmth.

Very well hidden 13% ABV but the overall feel and flavor didn't really do it for me. Kind of light feel for the style. (629 characters)

Photo of illidurit
3.97/5  rDev -6.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

07 bottle courtesy bret27. Pours a murky orange-brown with barely any tan head. Aroma is big on tropical fruit and caramel. Flavor is similar, monstrous body with tons of caramel, ripe citrus and figs. Alcohol really isn't that noticeable. It's warming but well-integrated. Very rich and full-bodied, a good slow-sipper. (320 characters)

Photo of francisweizen
4.87/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

I was really excited to try this brew at Kuhnhenns since I never got to try any of the bottled batches, and now I hear that there recent bottles of this are not doing to well as it is. Anyways, this one came in a lovely Balloon glass, the colour was dark bloody red/black, but not quite opaque. Head was light khaki and lasted for quite a while providing the glass with some lovely lacing patterns as well. Aromas are impressive, old ale notes of raisins, figs, other dark fruits and residual sugars, molasses, brown sugar, etc. hops are leafy and good in this mix, malts are dark roasty and hella complex. Middle is doughy and fruit with a rum raisin sort of kick to it that really does it for me. Finish is leafy hops and dark patent malts with some caramel hints, and a somewhat wet and drying contrasting finish that makes this exceptionally drinkable. Just a totally kick ass old ale from a brewery that is really drawing lines. Awesome stuff. (948 characters)

Photo of Pencible
3.68/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

2008 vintage. This poured a hazy reddish mahogany with lots of light tan head. It smelled like earthy cocoa and musty roasted barley, with some coffee and cream and molasses. It tasted like super sweet prunes and molasses and raisins, with some honey wheat and rich brown sugar. This is the definition of cloying sweetness. It was somewhat thick with a bit of carbonation, and had a lasting bittersweet aftertaste. Overall this had a strange scent for an old ale, with a powerful taste that wasn't very complex but instead just a barrage of sweet dark fruits. It had good body, and hid the alcohol fairly well. But this really needs to be sipped due to all the sugar. A decent beer, but not really one of my favorite old ales. (726 characters)

Photo of warnerry
3.73/5  rDev -12%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a deep brown w ruby red highlight. No head or lacing to speak of. Smells of raisins and other dark dried fruits, lots of caramel and unfortunately very apparent alcohol. The initial taste is hot alcohol, followed by raisins and figs and a bit of earthiness. Also quite a bit of sweet caramel malts and a hint of smoke. Finishes a bit bitter. Pretty full mouthfeel, but not overwhelmingly heavy. Leaves some lingering bitterness. Overall, this is a bit too fresh perhaps, as the alcohol is quite apparent. However, the alcohol presence doesn't ruin this by any means. I have a few bottles that I look forward to trying after a year or two. This is definitely a sipper, but a nice old ale. Doesn't hold up to the barrel-aged version though. (744 characters)

Photo of dar482
4.04/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

The beer comes in a dark brown with a bit of a head.

The aroma has sweet caramel, toffee, toasty malt, lots of deep brown sweetness along with some umami in the end.

The flavor follows again with lots of toffee and brown sugar. Toasty malt. Tons of umami and molasses as well. The beer is extremely sweet, to its failure.

The mouthfeel is quite creamy on the medium to heavy mouthfeel. (388 characters)

Photo of Bung
3.9/5  rDev -8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

2008 bottling. Quite dark amber pour, zero head arises. Some stickiness to the glass. Smells wonderful. Fragrant aroma of brown sugar, malt and some floral hops. Sweet molasses, caramel/toffee up front. Mellows rather quickly into some red fruits, malt and finishes with just a miniscule hop bitterness. Certainly a beer to contemplate. Only a hint of booziness. Just a little bit thin yet. Well done, but a bit dissappointed considering this is so highly thought of. We'll see how the other 5 of these age, I have a feeling it will improve. Still very well worth trying. (571 characters)

Photo of Gmann
3.64/5  rDev -14.2%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dirty cola brown color with little to no head, meh.

The aroma has an intense raisin aroma with notes of caramel and toffee. Quite sweet. Some honey and booze soaked cherries; rum cake.

The taste starts off sweet like the aroma but does have somewhat of an earthy balance. Sweet caramel, honey, and prune juice kick things off and are expected in an old ale. Then comes a wave of burnt caramel that adds some needed bitterness and a strong tea like flavor that you find in amber ales. And just as the label suggests, I get the toasted marshmellow flavor. They really nailed that one, never tasted roasted marshmellow in a beer before. Some boozy cherry sweetness as well.

The feel is a bit of a mess. It is sticky, syrupy and yet some how dry?!? Significant amount of earthy bitterness balances out the crazy sweetness but it some how really drys the beer out. Bizarre. The lingering effects not entirely pleasant. I'm really not digg'n the feel.

I dunno, the beer has some big bold flavors but they seem to contrast each other. The beer needs a bitter offset but I find that they went too dry with an acrid bitterness. Doesn't blend as an old ale should. Perhaps it needs some major aging. (1,201 characters)

Photo of blackie
4.17/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

appearance: In the snifter, the beer has a slight, khaki colored head. The color is a deep, rich brown.

smell: Upfront are lightly toasted malts with big notes of date and dark sugars. As the beer warms, just the right amount of ethanol opens up. Plenty of muddy hop aroma.

mouthfeel: The carbonation is at a very smooth, light, almost perfect level. The body is full and syrupy.

taste: A big barley sweetness with thick flavors of dark fruits and a nice ethanol bite dominate. The hop flavor is considerable and pretty heavy with the taste of hop pulp, though very well blended with the sugary malts. The hop flavor opens up and becomes floral in the finish, and the bitterness tries its best to back up the malt sugars.

drinkability: a good beer and pretty easy to sip on

bottle split with dirtylou during my stay in Madison...best by 2010 (856 characters)

Photo of FosterJM
4.26/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

1767th Review on BA
Bottle to Kuhnhenn Tulip
12oz

2011 Bottle

App- A turbid looking mix of browns, reds and purples. A bit muddled with a small 1 finger head. A bit dense and more along the lines of a stout mixed with an old ale. Not the most inviting color. A little bit of cling as it slides down the glass.

Smell- A lot of dark fruits and sugars on this one. More brown sugar and plums that I would have thought. I think time has mellowed this one out. The alcohol was a bit whispy still but not overpowering. A bit of oak and vanilla on a big whiff of this one.

Taste- This was more of a thicker tasting dark fruits leaning quad like flavor vs. old ale to me. I like the balance of flavors on it with the oak and vanilla balancing out the sweetness and the alcohols. Semi sweet with a bit of a bite on the finish from the alcohol.

Mouth- A medium body that almost borders on full with a medium thick carbonation. A bit of the residual sweetness remains and a bit of the vanilla and fruits as well. Some oak on a lip smack as well.

Drink- I thought it was tasty. I prefer the Bruery Anniversary Old ale offerings and the barrel aged 4D but this was very good. (1,168 characters)

Photo of Rutager
4.21/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

2012 bottle courtesy or Buschbeer. Cheers dude!

Pours a deep rusty brown with a thin khaki head. Plums and caramel on the nose, a touch of port, and a little alcohol. Tons of raisins sprinkled with brown sugar on the tongue. Toffee for sure, maybe a bit burnt, more dark fruit, a touch of warm booze. This is fantastic. Thanks again, Buschbeer. (345 characters)

Photo of scottfrie
4.35/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle into AVBC snifter. A huge thanks to ipa247 for giving me this bottle. Really generous of you.

A: Pours an extremely dark mahogany red with a thin but dense cream colored head that faded to a thin collar. Not much lace.
S: Rich notes of vanilla, raisins, and caramel. Very sweet and a tad musty smelling with a hint of alcohol vapor, maybe sherry. Hints of fruits also.
T: Hits the palate sweet, fruity and alcoholic (port and sherry). Finish switches to coffee and milk chocolate but some candied fruit notes carry through. Aftertaste is full of sugar, tobacco and grapes.
M: Smooth medium-full body with soft carbonation and a slick mouthfeel. 12.5% alcohol you say? Where? There is a touch of warmth but this drinks great.
D: Hell yeah this is what an Old Ale tastes like! Sweet in all the right places but so very subtle and smooth. I could drink this for days. Alcohol is hidden exceptionally well. Again, I can't thank you enough Jeff for handing this one over to me! (987 characters)

Photo of EgadBananas
4.77/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Big Thanks to JJFoodie for this amazingness!

A - Pours a wonderful garnet color, with a minimal sized head, tan/yellow in color. Left a surprisingly nice amount of scattered, bubbly lacing.

S - Huge malty notes, lots of sweetness; candied dark fruits, toasted marsh mellow as the label predicts, almost chocolaty.

T - Sweet, but not cloying. Complex rather. Big sweet dark fruits, lots of malts, that toasted marsh mellow again and again with the chocolaty finish. It's complex to the point that it makes description a feat.

M - The feel is viscous, with a viscosity that rivals some stouts. There's an almost chewiness to it, naturally full-bodied, but the finish is clean. Carbonation level is easily next to none, giving way to a wonderful creaminess.

D - You can't smell or taste the alcohol in this monster, but it does create a bit of warming that lets you know that it's there. Drinkability is dangerously good due in part to that, but you'd be wise to limit yourself to one. (Un)Luckily for me, I had but 1 bottles, so I shall be forced to stop at that.

Wonderful Old Ale. (1,091 characters)

Photo of tpd975
4.37/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Many thanks to Joey R for this one. I had had it on draft now I get to sample it in the bottle.

A: Nice bright brownish black hue with a little head. Spotty lace was noted.

S: The aroma is of wonderful deep dark fruits like plums and raisins. There is a bready malty backbone that makes its self known. Tinges of booze soaked dark cherries and a dash of chocolate.

T: Very nice. Who knew you could pack something so boozy, hoppy, roasty, dark fruity, and damn good in a bottle.

M: Very thick with ample carbonation and a blast of booze.

D: Sip slowly my friend, cause this one will dump a whole can of whoop ass on you if not. (632 characters)

Photo of trxxpaxxs
4.49/5  rDev +5.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Big thanks to northyorksammy for this bottle...

A: Pours a deep brown with only a faint khaki colored head. The foam fades quickly leaving only the tiniest of bubble rings along the edges of the glass. The beer has great legs and no lacing.

S: The nose is caramel, malt, raisin, plum, mild spice, and alcohol. It smells perfect for the style. I'm looking forward to this.

T: Right off the bat I get caramel, raisins, and cinnamon. As it moves to the middle, the alcohol begin to show as is mixes with stone fruits and nutmeg. There is a lot more spice in this beer than I would have imagined. The finish is mild spice, caramel, raisin, vanilla, and alcohol.

M: Full bodied beer. It syrupy and sticky from start to finish. The beer coats the palate and refuses to shift off. Totally cloying and sweet, with great residual flavors.

O: Great beer. I actually think I enjoyed this one more than the barrel aged versions. The caramel fruit and spice are more pronounced in this beer, where some of the subtleties get lost in the Barrel Aged version. Really nice. Would drink again/10. (1,084 characters)

Photo of BMMillsy
4.3/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Trade from deyholla. Need to send him another box for these beasts. Bottle says Winter Solstice 2010, but also 2007 on the bottle. I am assuming this is the 2007 sold at the 2010 party. Got some age for sure. Poured Feb 16, 2013. Pours murky brown with no head. Aroma is sweet dark fruits and a bit of bourbon and slight vanilla (though this is not the BB version). Very sweet fig, cherry and grape flavor. Bit of caramel and some booze. Pretty thick mouthfeel. Nice beer, though on the sweet side.

Got my hands on a fresher bottle at a tasting on 8/2/14. Same look. Aroma is a nutty caramel malt, brown sugar, yum. Flavor follows with big molasses and brown sugar, caramel, and definite hazelnut or pecan/praline notes on the finish that really make this beer. A big beer but so yummy it goes down easy. This is awesome...I guess aging it for 6+ years is too much. Just fine as is when you buy it. Oh yea. (908 characters)

Photo of alexgash
4.55/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Served at 60 degrees F.

Brewed on 02-16-05

13.5% abv

Dark caramel corn brown edges around a deep ruby body. Finger of cobwebby, clingy, khaki brown head. Nose of oak, sherry, tart cherry-vinous-grape, scorched maple syrup, hints of alcohol, vanilla, and caramel. Pretty complex if you ask me--and good! Sweet caramel sugar malt up front. Vinous fruity tartness follows. I can taste the age on this and it tastes good. Notes of oak, vanilla, and madeira mid-palate. Gets fruitier and finishes sweet. The hops are super mellow but provide some nice balance. Warming and malty and very good. Full-bodied, ultra-creamy smooth feel. Velvety. 13.5%! I never would have guessed. Glad I bought a sixer. Might have to lay down some of those though to try next year(s). (768 characters)

Photo of andrenaline
4.02/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Likely the last brew I enjoy before the arrival of our baby daughter... Our world is about to change, so I figured I would celebrate the change with a quality brew.

A - Pours a murky mahogany, thin layer of head with little retention and no real lacing.

S - Bready toffee, caramel, leather, oak, figs and dark fruit notes, candied apple, buttered bread and wheat.

T - The flavour profile is unique, an earthy hop flavour comes through off the top with the dark fruit notes coming through on the finish. The toffee and caramel are present alongside a hint of bitter espresso, leather and burnt wood. The ABV sweetness is present but not overwhelming and is surprisingly hidden on the finish.

M - Medium bodied, a tad sticky, and finishes surprisingly wet.

O - A tasty brew that is incredibly complex. The nose and flavours are complex and I found that they became even more diverse as the brew warmed. There's a reason this is top rated, and I will definitely be grabbing a few extra bottle to age. (1,002 characters)

Photo of hopdog
4.22/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle. Bottle labeled bottled on 08-01-04 and best before 2010.

Poured a deeper and murky brown color with a small sized off white head. Aromas of caramel, toffee, dark cherries, raisins, and light chocolate. Tastes of toffee, cherries, plums, citrus, caramel, and some brown sugar. Light to medium alcohol in the finish.

Notes from 12/24/06 (351 characters)

Photo of rlee1390
4/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A-Clear ruby amber, not much carbonation one finger off white head

S-Malt heavy, caramel, dark fruits and raisins.

T-Very sweet with caramel and molasses, lots of dark fruits. Balance is slightly off

M-Medium to heavy not much carbonation

O-Was expecting a lot better, glad I was able to try it but was not my cup of tea. (329 characters)

Photo of Stevedore
4.24/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

12oz bottle of the 2013 Winter Solstice release; poured into a Hill Farmstead stemmed glass alongside the 2013 Bourbon-barrel aged version in a separate glass, today, 1/15/2014.

Pours a fairly standard dark brown body with a fluffy tan head that dissipates fairly quickly. Looks like a barleywine, really. Nothing out of the ordinary. Lacing is non-existent.

Smells very sweet- lots of caramel, toffee and dark fruits- even more interesting than BB4D which is a beer where the barrel vanilla dominates so much- and is even a little more complex. Still, I am missing the vanilla even though I enjoy the complexity and intensity of this beer.

Flavourwise, very sweet- lots of toffee, butterscotch and molasses, which isn't cut by the oak and vanilla of the BB4D which kind of takes away from my experience with this beer. Still complex with a lot going on; I can see why some people prefer this to BB4D. I'm not one of these people, however.

Medium to full bodied, well carbonated and slick. Not terribly difficult to drink. Aftertaste is mostly a dark fruity butterscotch flavour; different than the BB4D.

BB4D is definitely a better choice than regular 4D; given it was only a dollar more, I wouldn't bother with 4D; but 4D is a great beer in its own right so if you have the option to get it alongside BB4D, I would definitely recommend taking it. I can see why some people prefer the 4D to the BB4D. (1,406 characters)

Photo of DavoleBomb
4.09/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into a snifter. 2007 Vintage.

3.5 A: Motor oil black. Had trouble forming a head, but the 1/2 finger or so that formed had decent retention and lots of lacing.

4.5 S: Really sweet initially. Very strange combination of aromas that I've never experienced before. Tobacco, raisins, plum, dark cherry, and molasses all poke through. A bit boozy as well. Unique and pleasant.

4.0 T: Pretty much everything in the nose is here again. Alcohol is very apparent and makes this quite boozy overall, though quite good.

4.0 M: Thick, syrupy body and low on carbonation.

4.0 D: I'd drink this again. This is my first old ale, so I'm intrigued to try more. (655 characters)

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
94 out of 100 based on 446 ratings.