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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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924 Ratings
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Ratings: 924
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 568
Gots: 201 | FT: 21
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of liamt07
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Peter of Flying Monkeys, 355ml bottle into some tulips. 2010 winter solstice release, thanks a ton Peter!

Pours a dark brown, with a tan head - transient, and falls to a ring. Big legs on this one. Nose has dried dark fruits, sweet caramel notes, and a hint of metal. Taste reflects this without the metal note (which diminished with warmth), more dried dark fruits - berries and currants, booze, caramel and something I kept percieving as oak, although I'm confident this isn't oak aged. Mouthfeel was medium heavy, with a moderate sweetness that's restrained by some drier qualities throughout. Great drinkability, and doesn't even come close to feeling like the alcohol content advertised. Need to get my lips on the bourbon barreled version.

Photo of JohnGalt1
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2007 vintage received a while back from DLucky.... I tried a bottle my bro brought over a couple of months back and it piqued my interest.. so... tonight is the night. Poured into my New Belgium snifter.

Aggressive pour lends only a short lived 3/4" head with a nice cap.. the brew is a beautiful deep brown with bright crimson highlites when held to a light... very pretty and a unique looking brew... nice lace as the liquid slowly drops.

Aroma is very complex... reminds me of an English BW and an older Tawny port.. fruity and leathery with a mild spicy hop background... raisins and lite figs ...

The flavor is huge and comes in waves... very thick malty presence ... with abundant dried fruit .... figs.. lite prune.. fairly sweet.. dry cigar wrapper.. again is reminiscent of an aged English BW... but very aged.. spicy and peppery.... a little bit of ETOH heat.. but actually adds to the overall presentation.. the body is thick and coating.. maybe a little sweet for my palate.. but I honestly think it should probably be cellared for a while longer.. maybe years... what do I know? The carbonation is alot more lively than expected... pouring this one, I did not expect as much.

This brew is a sleeper.. because the finish is sooo long... I am really liking it... now I just need to find a good connection for Kuhnhenn.

Thanks Dan for the fantastic trade.

Photo of Alieniloquium
3.91/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter. 2010 vintage.

Appearance - Deep brown with a surprising head. Wispy surface with a thin collar. Leggy on the swirl.

Smell - Mmm. A bit of oxidation, some wet sock aroma, delicious. Deep earthy caramel aroma.

Taste - Nutty malt flavor, earthy hops. Slightly less impressive than the smell. No real sweetness. Bitter finish. No booze.

Mouthfeel - No alcohol or sweetness. It's a sipper, but it's not really difficult to drink. Medium carbonation.

Overall - Nowhere near as good as the barrel aged version, but still an impressive beer.

Photo of Cynic-ale
4/5  rDev -6.5%

Photo of Viggo
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very pretty ruby red/brown colour, slight haze, small tan head forms, recedes to a ring around the glass, lots of lace. Smell is insane malt, lots of caramel, molasses, some chocolate, and floral hops. Taste is very caramel and sweet malt, with some molasses. Some chocolate and floral hops come through, as well as a little alcohol. Very nice bitter finish. Full bodied, low carbonation, warming alcohol burn down the esophagus and really coats the mouth. Very very good, thanks for the pickup DrJay.

Photo of wethorseblanket
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%

Photo of Tone
3.73/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a clear, amber color. 1/4 inch head of an off-white color. Decent retention and decent lacing. Smells of alcohol, sweet malt, and slight dark citrus. Fits the style of an Old Ale. Mouth feel is sharp and crisp with an average carbonation level. Tastes of strong alcohol, sweet malt, dark citrus, slight hop, slight vanilla, and slight tart malt. Overall, a good body, but the blend is off (too strong of alcohol).

Photo of DrJay
4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very slightly hazy, very dark, ruby red colour topped by a light tan head that showed very good retention and left thick lacing on the glass. Intensely malty aroma with rich caramel and toffee, molasses, and a hint of vanilla. The dark, ripe fruitiness becomes a deep vinous aroma with noticeable alcohol character as it warms. Malty sweet flavour to start, it just gets more and more complex. Caramel, toffee, molasses, and ripe fruits are strongest initially, with a bit of oak, vanilla, and nuttiness underneath. Bitterness comes forward part way through and a very light hoppiness appears towards the end, but it remains very, very restrained. The finish is a combination of caramel sweetness and warm alcohol flavour. Full, chewy body that stops just short of being syrupy, with moderately low carbonation. This is a very fine beer, made with exceptional craftsmanship. Definitely the stand-out offering that was available at Kuhnhenn during my visit.

Photo of chippo33
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Photo of tobelerone
4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a rich chestnut brown; nearly clear, with very little head or lacing. Complex aroma is vinous, sweet, toasted marshmallows as mentioned on the label; toffee and caramel, raisins, booze, woody notes. Flavor equally complex but less sweet; there’s the trace of marshmallow and toffee from the nose but less prominent in the taste; oaky, slightly corky, vinous. Port and brandy flavors, some heat and warming as expected from the high ABV but not too much burn. Pleasant fusel alcohol presence. Low carbonation but not still; a little sticky, somewhat creamy. Medium body, could be a bit fuller. Finishes surprisingly dry. Tasty old ale; would love to see what the barrel aging brings to this very intriguing beer.

Photo of Derek
4.26/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

2012 Vintage.

I've had earlier (lighter) versions of this and never really cared for it. At the first Michigan Brewers Guild Winter Beer Fest I just thought it was harsh, same with other bottles.

This is better. It doesn't need to be 13.5%, but it is better.

A: Initial pour seems like it is almost still, very little carbonation. Deep, deep mahogany, a few tan bubbles surface and it shows a little leg.

S: Alcohol is apparent in the aroma, somewhat sherry-like. Plenty of raisins, figs, dates and hints of field berry.

T: Although it's stronger than early versions, it doesn't seem so. I thought they were plagued by tertiary/fusel alcohol, but not this one. Tons of dates, raisins, figs and dark caramel, hints of roasted nut and cocoa and some meaty melanoidins. Good bitterness, alcohol is certainly warming.

M: Mild carbonation really works, but I still find the residual sweetness a bit much.

O: I still think this is over-rated, but it is a good brew.

Photo of HuskyinPDX
4.11/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Bottle opened on 5.26.13

2010 Vintage

A - Pours a dark caramel brown with a small dark tan head that fades away quickly.

S - Caramel, toffee, dark fruit, booze.

T - Caramel, dry fruit, booze. A touch of some oxidization.

D - Heavier body with low carbonation.

O - Boozey dark ale with lots of caramel and dark fruit flavors.

Photo of TheSevenDuffs
4.23/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

2011 Vintage poured in to Founders tulip.

A - Murky dark brown with a very small amount of light brown head.

S - A huge caramel malt sweetness up front accompanied by toffee, molasses and brown sugar. The ABV is very well hidden. Reminiscent of a barley wine.

T - A big sweetness up front with dark caramel, toffee, brown sugar and molasses flavours. The middle offers a bouquet of dark fruit, raising, dates and sticky candy-like flavours. The finish brings back the sweet toffee and caramel with just the right amount of warming alcohol present.

M - Full bodies, silky and smooth. Light carbonation. An exceptional mouth feel.

Photo of drummermattie02
4/5  rDev -6.5%

Photo of wordemupg
3.68/5  rDev -14%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

355ml bottle poured into tulip 6/6/12 thanks liamt07 for the bottle

A dark reddish brown with only a very short lived thin film for head and it leaves zero lace

S lots of burnt brown sugar and rum soaked raisins, molasses and some teriyaki beef jerky smells better then it sounds, heavy on the soft caramels and a little booze but nothing compared to the 13.5% listed on the bottle

T sweeter then the smell somehow with just a little soy, tastes slightly oxidized and not as nice as the nose, some cherry liquor I didn't smell and a slightly nutty aspect

M not quite flat but very little carbonation, quite sticky on the lips but not much heat considering the strength, a little syrupy

O booze is well concealed and it smells great but not blowing me away in other areas, decent beer but I'm going too be well below the average with this one

I'm not sure what to make of this one, well concealed booze and it smells great but not quite what I was hoping for elsewhere. Even if this is a off bottle its still easy enough too drink

Photo of Gusler
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Upon its release the beer sets in the glass a beclouded ruby red with a personable creamy light tan head that slowly evaporates leaving an admirable sheet of lace. Nose has a bit of muskiness with sweet malt, hints of caramel, delectable this nose, sweet at the start, grain profile perfect and the top middling in its feel. Finish has a determined acidity, the hops spicy and enjoyable, the after taste dry, with a nice bit of tummy warming, a total hit with me, and a must try.

Photo of TurdFurgison
4.65/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had on tap at the Kuhnhenn brewpub. I'd been wanting to try this beer for some time, and it lived up to its hype.

It was presented in a tulip-style chalice, showcasing the dark aubrun red beer with a thick, wet, and sticky tan head. Very nice looking, and the aroma wasn't as strong or barley-winey as I feared. It was malty and a little muted. Still very nice. The taste was almost doppelbocky, with rich and sweet malt flavors battling for dominance over the alcohol (13.5% based on the menu description). The malt flavors came through really nicely, and there was just a hint of alcohol burn. The mouthfeel was just as good, thick and chewy, it felt like drinking a meal. Very very nice old ale.

Photo of THECPJ
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

Photo of Bitterbill
4.93/5  rDev +15.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

From my notes of December 17, 2006.

Poured from 12oz bottle(brewed on 2-16-05 best before 2011!) a super dark brown with a good sized head of foam that slowly shrinks leaving a mostly solid layer that hugs the side of my glass in a most pleasing way.

The smell is....wow! Huge notes of caramel malt, molasses, and fig that just don't quit. The smell alone is woth the price of admission but, I got this one pro gratis compliments of Mentor!!

The taste follows the nose to a T. Awesome caramel and roasted malt that are just tickling my palate to the Nth degree. The molasses and fig that I noted in the nose are there as well as is dark fruit(plum) adding to the complexity of this Old Ale and making it, despite it's high abv, a most drinkable nectar. And yeah, there's a bit of warming as it goes down but the alcohol, for me, is not detectable in the flavour at all. From the first sip right through to the finish, there's no doubt that I'm drinking a world class brew. Yeah, it's *that* damn good!!

Bottom line: Fantastic! If I were given a choice of sipping on this or a Westy 12(different beer styles aside), I'd have a darned hard time making up my mind on which to choose!
Once again, kudos to Mentor for allowing me to try this tasty son of a gun!!

Photo of dirtylou
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12oz single, got this bottle from CRJMellor in a trade, label says best before 2010 so I think I am good

Ah, my first kuhnhenn beer ever. How exciting!

appearance: quite murky, a distinct mahogany/amber color, light bubbling head and lacing.

smell: aromas of deep dark fruit with some alcohol soakage, caramel malty core, woody.

taste: quite a nice old ale...alcohol is definately present and the hop bitterness is dead on. lots of earthy/woody notes thoughout...dark fruit and berries are key components

mouthfeel: extraordinarily smooth up until the bite of hop bitterness in the aftertaste, outstanding

drinkability: very drinkable

Photo of avalon07
4.7/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: Poured from a bottle to a pint glass. Had a murky brown color and a thick consistency. There was a very thin, foamy head that quickly dissipated. Not much lacing to speak of.

S: A big, warm aroma of malt, caramel, molasses, alcohol, and some spices.

T: Tasted like it smelled: Lots of caramel and molasses, some malt, and assorted spices. Alcohol is noticeable, but not overwhelmingly. This is a very complex, extremely flavorful beer.

M: A good amount of carbonation with a smooth, silky finish. Full-bodied.

O: This is an excellent example of an Old Ale. A well made beer all around.

Photo of vfgccp
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

Photo of Griffith
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

Photo of jrallen34
3.85/5  rDev -10%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

My growler filled by Alex on his roadtrip, thank you very much.

Boring light brown pour with light tan head of carbonation...Aroma is really nice and complex, starts off sweet similar to the oude bruin with some light sour cherries, dark brown sugar, and a little alcohol...The taste is a let down, not as sweet, lots of grain alcohol and brown sugar, not any of the sweetness or cherries.

Better than the bottle version I've had but still only a decent beer.

Photo of Lare453
4.75/5  rDev +11%

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 924 ratings.