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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 915
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 565
Gots: 206 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of tectactoe
4.63/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.5

Had this quite a few times at Kuhnhenn, but I finally decided to crack some of my 2011 bottles, and this review will be based off of that. Fourth Dementia pours soft, rich, and thick, almost like warm maple syrup out of the bottle. It's a very deep and dark mahogany, showing ruby highlights in front of the light. A small, khaki crown forms slowly upon pouring, showing decent retention for this high gravity brew. A quick swirl of the glass will easily conjure up larger froth if desired.

I could smell 4D long before I ever brought the glass to my face - pretty much as soon as I cracked the bottle open. It's a highly sweet malt bomb that is very reminiscent of a barleywine up front. Humongous caramel aromas, warm toffee, and a melted coating of brown sugar smeared from wall to wall. Rich dark fruits reside beneath this blanket of sugary goodness; plums, black cherries, dates - all candied and tangled in vibrant sweetness. I pick up very faint woody aromas, though I don't believe the original 4D ever touched a barrel. Wonder what this is from? Alcohol is present with a warming and smooth notice, similar to that of brandy or sherry. Warmer temperatures only reveal more nuances in this already complex labyrinth of aromas; more sticky toffee, light tobacco, graham crackers... This aroma is blowing my mind.

Smelling this beer does nothing but get me even more excited to finally bring it to my lips. Truth is, I usually sit there and wave it in front of my nose for minutes before I finally take a sip. Initially, 4D comes out swinging with a fruit combination, sweet and pure like a puree; cherries, raspberries, and ripe plums are leading the pack by far. Now imagine those fruits drizzled in rich caramel, and rolled in a vat of brown sugar, then dipped delicately in a brandy bath for a few hours. Sticky bouts of toffee are strong from start to finish along with lighter hints being given to honey and maybe even maple syrup. 4D is sending my entire sensory system into a frenzy and I'm loving every goddamn minute of it.

Again, warmer temperatures yield an even larger bouquet of flavors, so I recommend taking it slow; it probably took me a little over an hour to finish the 12 oz bottle and that's the best way to do it. The flavors intensify and grow to a ridiculous degree of power and refinement, as if they weren't incredible enough already. The aftertaste is full of that light oak flavor that I was getting in the aroma - again, kind of mind-boggling considering this wasn't aged in a barrel or anything. Long lasting, toasted brown sugar couples with graham crackers and leftover cherry and raspberry juices to give one last jolt of sweetness before the sip of 4D is gone forever. Despite the intensely high levels of sweetness, the beer elegantly avoids becoming cloying through delicate balance with the alcohol heat and a faint (almost unnoticeable) addition of earthy hop bitterness. Slightly sticky mouth feel, heavy and thick on the palate, low-medium carbonation.

Holy shitballs. This stuff is absolutely incredible. I know I'm probably one of the only people that thinks this, but I enjoy the regular 4D much more than the barrel-aged version. I don't believe that barrel-aging always makes things better, and here is a perfect example of that. Why? Bourbon barrel aging imparts a particular and dignified set of flavors; in my opinion, these flavors kind of mask what I love so much about 4D. Call it a barleywine or an old ale or whatever the hell you want - this beer is a perfect example of the capabilities of not only its style, but beer in general. Enjoy this beer and take a nap, then thank me later.

tectactoe, Mar 27, 2013
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Photo of Dope
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

2011 bottle

A: Pours a murky dark, dark, dark brown/red. Small fizzy tan head despite aggressive pour; very low carbonation. Almost no lacing, just little specks here and there. Good head retention at least.

S: Very fruity. Loads of raisin, fig, prune, dates...and grape juice? Molasses and toffee too. Caramel, lots of it. Very sweet, almost cloyingly so. Smells similar to a JW Lees if I'm not mistaken.

T: Whoa. Smooth and heavy malts. Loads of caramel, brown sugar, toffee and molasses. LOADS of it. Less fruit here but raisin and fig is still apparent, especially towards the middle. There is a slight taste of alcohol briefly in the finish but it's surprisingly mellow given the low carbonation and high ABV. Finish is a little less sweet, toffee and marshmallow stand out here. Some fruits in the lingering aftertaste but much drier than the initial flavor. Still sweet, just not as much.

M: Heavy body, high ABV and low carbonation. It's thick and smooth but not nearly as cloying as I expected it to be. Surprisingly drinkable.

O: A serious old ale. A must-have for the malt lover with boatloads of maltiness and fruits. No sign of hops here. Above-average drinkability for the ABV, it's surprisingly mellow and smooth. Flavors are quite strong of course but not sharp and overpowering. Would love to get my hands on a barrel aged version of this.

Dope, Feb 28, 2013
Photo of Justin_Neff
4.18/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Bottle (2011)

Thanks zipper8650 for this one!

A: Pours dark brown - the color resembles maple syrup. A small collection of fizzy bubbles rise quickly, and they disappear even quicker, revealing a low amount of carbonation.

S: The nose is fantastic. Tons of caramel and toffee. Smells like creme brulee, but not artificial like many other dessert-smelling brews. Strong wofts of molasses and chocolate - especially as it warms. Figs and marshmallows finish out the whiff.

T: The predominant taste is toffee and sweet malts. Caramel, maple syrup, vanilla, dark fruitiness all bounce around to an extreme amount of noise, resulting in a very sweet brew. Every sip tastes a little different. I definitely get marshmallows, but its faint.

M: Very little carbonation. Full body. A mix between what I would describe as creamy and full of oils. Definitely something that is meant to be sipped. Better as it warms.

O: I was very nervous after the initial pour, but the complexity of this one and how it blended together was really great. Even after aging for over a year, it's a bit boozy, but it's decently hidden with all of the different types of flavors flying around. Would like to try fresh to see if that affected the pour and carbonation, and I'd also like to try to the barrel aged version to see how that adds another awesome element of complexity. All-in-all a great beer and I'll buy if I ever make it up to anywhere that has it on shelf.

Justin_Neff, Feb 26, 2013
Photo of yamar68
4.23/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Huge thanks to antlerwrestler19 for this one - 2011 vintage:

Such a raw looking beer. Deep, dark brown coffee body with an edge of ruby clarity that shows silky beading and a good amount of sexy legs and lace.

Gigantic dessert aromas explode from the glass... caramel, toffee, graham cracker, molasses, sweet grain... beautiful. It's a mellow sense of sweetness - it's not big enough to hide a big booze bill which is perfect because that wouldn't be necessary. The alcohol is surprisingly approachable; I don't know what keeps it in check. A touch of leather and s'more seem to do the trick.

A good amount of grape soda and tobacco surfaces on the palate. Some of that warming liqueur type flavor dries things up. Lots of toasted bread crusts and big grain flavors. There's a somewhat metallic finish that lingers over all of those surprisingly palatable malt notes. It's big. It's complex. It's tasty.

yamar68, Feb 25, 2013
Photo of peensteen
4.44/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Bottle from jprime, 2012 vintage

Deep brown colour, a little more than one finger of tan head, great retention also head lasted to basically the bottom of the glass, tons of white sheets of lace all the way down the glass, nearly perfect looking. Smell has tons of dark malt, sweet toffee and caramel, dark sugars and dark fruits, lots of cherry with some plum, just a bit of booze. Taste is sweet up front with caramel, toffee and sugars followed up cherry and fruit, some warm alcohol and vanilla, finishes lightly sweet and fruity, so very complex without ever being too sweet or boozy everything comes together very nicely here. Lightly carbonated, massive chewy body, big rich mouthfeel. Just awesome stuff here, so incredibly drinkable for something so rich and complex.

peensteen, Feb 25, 2013
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 915 ratings.