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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Reviews: 447
Hads: 1,007
Avg: 4.26
pDev: 13.62%
Wants: 603
Gots: 216 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Photo of Sammy
3.98/5  rDev -6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

2004 bottle. Barleywine aroma. Yeast, lace. Good carbonation. Sweetness and accompanying spicey yeast, pineapple. The alcohol is ever present and a medium-full mouthfeel. Would love to try again in a year and again in five. Thanks Tim(IPFreely)for sharing. Second bottle 5 months later, harshness on mouth after the first few sips.
Six years later and somewhat sour. Great labels though.
Nine years later and very smooth spices, cola, caramel.

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Photo of RoyalT
4.54/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance – There was a surprising head to this high-octane ale. The body was a dirty, filthy, pond scum brown with some light carbonation.

Smell – This was the ale’s strong point, IMHO. I just loved that raunchy, booze-soaked, woody malt smell that never did give up. The sweetness is very subdued, keeping the focus on the malts. Nicely done in a conservative sort of way.

Taste – This ale melts in your mouth. It reminds me a bit of Old Woody with all the wood character in the flavor profile. It’s not “oaky” but more like a malty wood, if that makes any sense. Either way, it’s killer. It reminds me a bit of their FUV BOP special : )

There are a few more sweets to be had at the taste, but not much more. The sugars that are there are more like raw cane than anything else. You might find some maple in here if you look hard enough. All in all this is an amazing flavor profile that begs for further examination as the ale warms.

Mouthfeel – This is on the big side of medium-bodied and almost flat with some old school bitterness on the back of the tongue and an unapologetic alcohol sting throughout.

Drinkability – The raunchy wood and stinging booze may be too much for some, but fans of the Old Ale style will unquestionably enjoy sampling this Kuhnhenn effort.

Comments – I will be forever indebted to garthwaite for sending this Old Ale out to Seattle. Cheers and beers!

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Photo of Frozensoul327
3.8/5  rDev -10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Wow. Damned good beer. Brewed on 08/01/2004, drank on 06/10/2005. Poured out to a brown ale color with decent carbonation and a nice foamy cream-like head. Right off the bat, this one smells like raisins, with sweet floral notes mixed in. Woo-hoo, the booze is present in this one! Strong element of alcohol mixed with fermented fruit flavors and a toffee like aftertaste. Went down too smooth considering the power this brew packs. This will knock you firmly on your ass if you are not ready for it. Hell, it will knock you on your ass if you ARE ready for it! I would imagine as the brewer recommends, this beer would really mellow with age, and the flavors would mature. I plan on getting a sixer of this and letting it sit for a few years and see what happends. Nonetheless, a solid winner. Recommended.

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Photo of weeare138
4.17/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Much thanks to walleye for this!
Appears a glowing dark brown with a 2 inch off white head that sticks around for a minute. Some spotty lacing is left behind.
Smell is of sweet malt, caramel, and a hint of pine mixed with fresh bready dough.
Taste is of smooth dough with caramel malts and raisins and a definite oakiness or pineness about it.
Mouthfeel is smooth with an alcohol bite that covers the entire palate of full flavors.
To me, the alcohol is evident but this is still not bad to take your time with after a hearty meal.

Finger licking good.

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Photo of kohoutek
4.3/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Kuhnhenn strikes again! It is nice to see the emergence of yet another fine Michigan brewery. Yet most importantly, this beer serves as an important challenger to a beer that has been held close to the hearts of Michiganders for many years.

The Fourth Dementia Olde Ale is truly the only worthy competition to Bell's Third Coast Old Ale I have tasted. Upon glancing at this ale, the drinker is met with its garnet hue. A deep whiff reveals its wonderful caramel nose. Not to be dissapointed, the flavors that emerge are right on par with what you would expect (hope for). Caramel, Graham cracker, fresh baked bread . . a bisquit/crystal nose that proves Kuhnhenn is a house run by those that love beer and respect the grains that contribute to these elixirs.

This beer is balanced delicately with a very clean neutral hop variety to lengthen its finish without overstating its malty qualities. Do not be confused . . . this beer is a malt afficionadoes beer. Pure, full and lingering. Yes hopheads (and I am one), malts have a wonderful vinous viscosity that we can re-experience in this beer.


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Photo of clvand0
4.32/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a dark brown color with very little head and ok retention (lacking because it was from a growler most likely). Has a very strong aroma. Slight alcohol, strong raisin and spice, reminds me a bit of varnish ... but not in a bad way. The flavor is very nice. Lots of subtle spices and a great caramel backing tie in very well with the warming hints of alcohol. This is a great representation of the style. Body is somewhere around moderate and the drinkability is pretty good for the high level of alcohol.

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Photo of kmpitz2
4.62/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Thanks to Eyedrinkale.

It pours a nice ruby-laced dark brown color with a small head that falls to nicely ring the top of the beer. Nice color. The nose is spicey alcohol-soaked raisins coated in brown sugar. The spicey alcohol really plays well in there. Smells really nice. The flavor is very nice and balanced. I get a deeper flavor than the nose suggested. Dark brown sugar and raisin, with just a puff of alcohol and spices. The alcohol is only slightly present to let you know that it is there. I'm a fan of how everything plays well with each other flavor. The feel is great, with a very thick, almost syrupy feel. It coats my mouth and throat as I swallow the beer. The carbonation is minimal. Drinkability is huge. I am very imressed with this brew. It is very smooth and easily drinking. A fine, fine beer. Seek it, drink it, love it.

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Photo of ahking
3.97/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

Piney, citrusy, and fruit punch aromas attack your nose. Super smooth and malty with enough hops present to remind you this is beer. Deep ruby/mahogany colors. Full and chewy mouthfeel.Very tasty ale; I want to drink more, but high ABV prevents that. I really like this beer. True testament to how good it is: I would drink this beer warm and flat!

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Photo of sulldaddy
4.39/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanx to walleye for the hookup on this one!
I am sampling a 12 oz bottle in a snifter at room temp. The beer pours a clear mahogany color with ruby tints when held to the lite.
A small fizzy off white head develops and fades away to nothing very quickly. Aroma is toffee, mixed berries and cherry with some spicy alcohol to boot. I also sniff some brown sugar and raisins.
First sip reveals a very fine carbonation that is so lite it is almost non-existent.
Average body with a bit of syrupy texture and very smooth.
Flavor is sweet toffee up front with some raisins and brown sugar moving in behind it and then some bitey and warming alcohol on the finish. A nice smooth beer that although it warms, the beer still goes down nicely.

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Photo of DrJay
4.72/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very slightly hazy, very dark, ruby red colour topped by a light tan head that showed very good retention and left thick lacing on the glass. Intensely malty aroma with rich caramel and toffee, molasses, and a hint of vanilla. The dark, ripe fruitiness becomes a deep vinous aroma with noticeable alcohol character as it warms. Malty sweet flavour to start, it just gets more and more complex. Caramel, toffee, molasses, and ripe fruits are strongest initially, with a bit of oak, vanilla, and nuttiness underneath. Bitterness comes forward part way through and a very light hoppiness appears towards the end, but it remains very, very restrained. The finish is a combination of caramel sweetness and warm alcohol flavour. Full, chewy body that stops just short of being syrupy, with moderately low carbonation. This is a very fine beer, made with exceptional craftsmanship. Definitely the stand-out offering that was available at Kuhnhenn during my visit.

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Photo of LuckySevens82
4.29/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle courtesy of Gaisgeil

Pours a dull ruby brown with no head or lacing. Not much carbonation in this one.

Smell is pretty darn complex. Loads of dark ripe fruits (rasins, dates, figs), molasses, rum, toffee, slight chocolate aroma, definitely wine like and quite a bit of alcohol in the nose.

Taste is also very fruity (same as above), molasses is present, as are caramel, toffee, chocolate, a rum like character, a slight hoppiness, and a very nice alcohol warming sensation as this one goes down (sensation is almost on par with bourbon whiskey). A bit wine-like in flavor, but not nearly as much as it is in the aroma.

Mouthfeel is good, it's not nearly as flat as I originally thought it was when I poured it into the glass. It coats the tongue and the alcohol warming sensation is quite nice.

Overall...a very very good old ale, something that I could definitely have again.

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Photo of ypsifly
4.02/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz brewed on 8/01/04 poured into a pint glass.

Ruby brown with a small white head that dies a fizzy death leaving a thin ring with not much lacing.

Smells of dark, ripe fruits paired with alcohol and malts.

The same fruits are strong in the taste with some brown sugar and a strong alcohol presence that is not unpleasing. Really warms you up as it goes down. The finish is peppery. Very complex.

The mouthfeel is a bit light due to the low carbonation and possible numbing effect from the alcohol. Way too strong to be considered drinkable, but a great beer that everyone should try at least once.

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Photo of feloniousmonk
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Lovely mahogany/crimson color, nice 1/4" creamy cocoa head.
Aroma is vibrant, brimming with fruit, big in the alcohol department, rich and full of burnished fruit, cherries, berries, and grapes...sweetness, interrupted by booze, a satisfying aroma, fit for the best of any barleywine.
In the taste, delicious....smooth, and bursting with overwhelming fruity flavor...not too strong, either, just enough...massive malt, cherries and berries...
I'd anticipated this brew for some time, wondered about it, dreamed of it...love me barleywines, ...would Kuhnhenn's meet my expectations? So far...
...so good..
smooth, and delicious, ...whatever the alcy-hol is, I'm not tasting it...that's a plus...hooo. lordy, this is niceness personified. Oh, so perfect.
Fourth Dementia, you are my new hero.
I will chase you with a favorite barleywine, to compare, but am sure that you are his/her equal...if they are lucky ...
Enough of that, kudos, to the mastery over there in Warren, MI!

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Photo of Gaisgeil
4.65/5  rDev +9.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

An exceptional old ale, no doubt there whatsoever.

Straight from the tap at the Kuhnhenn pub, lucky me! Poured a dark and caramel toned amber in color with a thin tan head. Nose was a bit sweet, but also a bit smokey and woody at the same time. Had a very strong presence. Taste is gorgeous, complex and delicious. Stewed fruit, smoke, wood, heavily estery but with a delicate yet strong alcohol bite. Bits of spice, reminded of a spiced tobacco somehow also made appearances. There were so many layers going on here which became more and more evident as it warmed a bit. Carbonation was on the medium side, nearly perfect for this brew.

I was really impressed with this one, I'll definatly have to go back and get some more before too long.


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Photo of meathookjones
4.97/5  rDev +16.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Many thanks go to Ben for sharing such an awesome and unique brew with me. Pours out a deep dark brown with a nice sized tan head. Strings of lace were left coating the glass and the head was revived easily with a few swirls of the snifter. Upon first smell of this brew I new this would become a favorite of mine. There was just so much going on I knew I would need more than this one to figure it all out. Smokiness was big as was the chocolate and roasted malt. Some dark fruit and earthy/woody notes were in there as well. Damn there was so much going on I sat there for a while with my nose just in the glass trying to take it all in. The taste was just as complex and enjoyable as the aroma. Dark fruits, molasses, chocolate malt and smoke seem to be the most upfront flavors. An assortment of other flavors were present as well spice, caramel, alcohol, woodiness and everything else you could imagine. Wow this is one amazing brew. The full thick body leaves your mouth coated in sticky flavor that seems to stay with you forever. Drinkability is insane, every sip leaves you wanted more to discover new things about the beer. If this was available locally I would clean the shelves of it, I guess that’s were the dementia comes in.

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Photo of CRJMellor
4.32/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours chestnut and mahogany with a thin but big, bubbly, tan head. Minimal lace on the glassware.
Aroma of orange, deep caramel and some lightly roated barley notes. Darker fruit notes of raisins, figs and dates also emerge as it warms. Some peat and maple syrup like note also emerges
Flavor of sweet chocolate, peaty and smoked notes. Some dark citrus fruits with a hint of orange peel, sweet brown sugar and some mulled spices. Faints of leather, wood and tobacco magically appear as it really warms. Delicious but only when warmed.
Mouthfeel is full but hyper sweet cut by some roasted notes and a scotch-like peat alcoholic tone.
Drinkability is very good. Excellent, tasty beer but the hyper-sweetness makes one enough. Poured at least 10-15 degrees too cold. If you get one, leave it on the bar top, try another brew and come back to it. It'll be ready.

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Photo of mikeys01
4.87/5  rDev +14.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Served on tap at the fantastic and unassuming Kuhnhenn Brewery. This beer was highly recommended by the illustrious Venom and it did not disappoint. The Dementia arrived to us in a beautiful tulip glass. Color is a deep ruby that is so dark it's almost black. Capped with a foamy, ruddy brown head that fades quickly but leaves a satisfying lacing for the duration. Aroma is way out there and in your face, bold as can be, plump full of raisin, plum, and oh so sweet caramely malt. Body isn't quite heavy, making it dangerously drinkable for a reasonably potent brew. Flavor is complex like one of those jigsaw puzzles in which all the pieces look alike, it's almost indescribable. I get elements of chocolate toffee, fermented raisin, caramel, and molasses out of this rich dark beauty. Just a slight drip of maple syrup as well. Phenomenal for sipping or drinking in moderation, you're longing for more when the glass is empty. There is a nice warmth in the finish and just a bit of bitterness on the back and sides of the tongue, also unveiled are soft creamy vanilla and woody notes. This brew has a very old/vintage ale character for a beer brewwed this year, a masterful creation. This is a top shelf brew, do not miss the oportunity to enjoy this one!

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Photo of garthwaite
4.97/5  rDev +16.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Sampled from a 12 oz bottle. This brew poured from the bottle like thick syrup - a deep, dark, murky brown-red-purple with a slight tan head which eventually reduced to a few constantly swirling bubbles. I smelled this beast of a brew the second the cap came off. As intense an aroma as I've ever come across & a delightful one at that. Massive dark fruit notes are everywhere as powerful caramel & burnt burgundy cherries collide with dulled spicy hops & oaken woodiness to overpower the senses. From the moment it hit my lips I was in heaven. This extremely sweet, but perfect balanced brew overloaded my palate with pounds of dark chocolate & rich caramel. More delicious flavors of chocolate covered burgundy cherries, vanilla, and molasses compliment the mild spicy hops & notes of oak. Warming alcohol makes its presence felt from the start & only adds to the intense appeal of this brew. Minimally carbonated, but extraordinarily full bodied, this bad boy fills & coats the mouth like maple syrup. Finishes with some tartness, burnt molasses, & toffee. Aftertaste lasted for hours, though I wish it was days. Liquid heaven.

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Photo of sparkydoyle
4.97/5  rDev +16.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Dark color (somewhere between maple syrup and old motor oil), minimal oily yellow head clings to side of glass. Inviting and complex nose offers maltyness, bourbon, sweetness, licorice and ripe fruits (plums and raisins).

Taste is sweet and alcoholic up front, and becomes complex as the tongue dries off, with raisins, malty sweetness, and a scotchlike woodiness in the finish. Mouthfeel is rich, slightly full, but backs off as you swallow. Very low in diacetyl notes and offering a variety of esters in enjoyable restraint.

A surprisingly drinkable old ale. I’d like to have another, can you drive me home?

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Photo of jayb
4.62/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

First (and hopefully not last) visit to kuhnhenn. Served in a 12 oz tulip glass. THICK, dark brown, bordering on black with a rich, tan head that settled to a film and clung to the sides of the glass. Very intense aroma. dark chocolates, peat, soy sauce, nuts, also very estery, and a prevailent earthy smell. Offered a taste to my sister, says it tastes like dirt. Taste was of (once again) rich bitter chocolate, mixed dark fruits, nuts, and peat. Also a whiskey or bourbon-like quality. Had to sip this one. Mouthfeel was full bodied and slick. alcohol made its presence known quite well. This is what i have been missing all these years. A definite eye opener. Such a flavorful brew, very fine work from those at Kuhnhnenn. Far and away the most interesting and intensely flavored brew i have had to date. Delightful.

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Photo of putnam
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

A stunning beer to look at and positively humbling to smell. Brown/black and surging with slow, lazy fizz - though there is no possibility of any doughiness to the head. It falls to an oily slick of gray. The aromas are, in fact, of "sludge." There is a murky, seaweed and rotting grass core to the bouquet that suggests coffee-fed cattle and hogs. It is a touch nauseating, but only a touch. Compelling to the beholder (especially one raised on western island Scotch) is the peaty, iodine-rich, smoked molasses sweetness available to the nose. I taste it.

Sweet, and suggestive of solera-treated sugars from the Spanish empire: Brandy, Pedro Ximenez, Rum, Malaga. The flavors move upon the palate with unrelenting seriousness. Bubbling, rotting tanks of molasses, cured spinach, shoe polish decorate the rancio nuttiness and toffee of the former.

I am a disciple of the Kuhnhenn way. This is a brewery that takes risks and always issues forth a fascinating drink independent of how challenging or even awkward it may initially seem. My advice is to study these repeatedly.

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Photo of marburg
4.6/5  rDev +8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Let me say first that this was noted on the bottle as being an Old Ale made in 2004. However, this strikes me as remarkably similar to some of their other beers -- its texture not unlike the raspberry eisbock and its flavor not unlike the bourbon barrel imperial stout. I wonder if this is an offshoot of the latter? The same recipe with slightly different treatment and then bottled as an old ale instead? Something similar? Perhaps I'm not recalling the other beer well enough, but for those familiar with their beers, this will definitely make you remember those others you've had before.

Smells like viscous sludge made of pureed fruit. Mild hints of coffee and chocolate covered raisins. You can tell immediately this will be incredibly good and quite flavorful.

And it is.

Sweet, sweet beer. Incredibly deep, potent caramel flavors with bourbon barrel characteristics. Soft, velvet feel. Quite oily. The alcohol is hidden quite well, though a flavor that strikes me as sweetned blackberry puree with confectioners sugar might simply be an offshoot of the alcohol flavor. Regardless, it's quite well put together.

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 447 ratings.