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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 868
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.29
pDev: 9.09%
Wants: 553
Gots: 203 | FT: 26
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of liamt07
4.35/5  rDev +1.4%

Bottle shared by Peter of Flying Monkeys, 355ml bottle into some tulips. 2010 winter solstice release, thanks a ton Peter!

Pours a dark brown, with a tan head - transient, and falls to a ring. Big legs on this one. Nose has dried dark fruits, sweet caramel notes, and a hint of metal. Taste reflects this without the metal note (which diminished with warmth), more dried dark fruits - berries and currants, booze, caramel and something I kept percieving as oak, although I'm confident this isn't oak aged. Mouthfeel was medium heavy, with a moderate sweetness that's restrained by some drier qualities throughout. Great drinkability, and doesn't even come close to feeling like the alcohol content advertised. Need to get my lips on the bourbon barreled version.

liamt07, Sep 07, 2011
Photo of tempest
4.28/5  rDev -0.2%

Had a small glass at the Stag's Head. I had a couple other nice beers at the Stag, but man this one stood out. It wasn't overly thick and there's was no knock of alcohol. The flavor was a rich mix of dates, raisins, caramel, and cocoa. There were mild hints of toffee, cola, and grapefruit hops to round this out, making for a fantastic dessert beer.

tempest, Sep 05, 2011
Photo of EnemyWithin
3.7/5  rDev -13.8%

2010 4D Olde Ale into Duvel tulip.

Appearance - 3

Red amber with very small creamy golden head, just forming a thin rim around the circumference.

Smell – 3.5

Very malty. Molasses, brown sugar, sticky sweet malt with notes candy sugar. Spicy aroma with booze notes.

Taste - 4

Starts with a caramel, toffee body with a presence of alcohol. Near the end, a spike of brown sugar and spice, with just a mild bitterness at the end. Get a fair amount of warmth from the alcohol, but not overly powerful. Flavours improves as beer warms and opns – flavours soften up and become much improved.

Mouthfeel – 3.5

Moderate thickness, a littly sticky, not really creamy. Wondering if the little carbonation is typical. A bit of astringency from the hops.

Overall - 4

A sipper, for sure! A nice beer that shows significant improvement as it warms up. Not a style that I've had before, but in many ways it reminds me of a barley wine. At first, put off but as I tasted it more, began to enjoy it. Would have again, especially during winter. Recommend.

EnemyWithin, Aug 29, 2011
Photo of TMoney2591
4.18/5  rDev -2.6%

Served in a Chambord shaped pint glass.

Big thanks to therealnomayo for this bottle, BIFed so long ago...

2010 vintage. I was hoping to have this side-by-side with the barrel-aged version, but the pleasant memories of that surprise bottle will suffice while I take this bottle down. It pours a clear sunset russet topped by a half-finger of dirty cream foam. The nose comprises buttery toffee, light booze, white bread, maple syrup, and a few drops of chocolate syrup. The taste holds notes of boozy caramel, dark fruit (mostly fig-like, I'd say), pine sap, sourdough, very light chocolate powder, and honey. It's a strange grocery list, but it all comes together pleasantly on the tongue. The body is a hefty medium, with a light moderate carbonation and a thick, almost chewy feel. Overall, a very nice brew, but one that seems a bit hot at the moment, making for a tasty but slightly painful drinking experience. That said, I'd do it again in a heartbeat...

TMoney2591, Aug 23, 2011
Photo of Pellinore1
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%

Thanks to kdub87 for sending this one.

Pours a slightly hazy warm brown into a snifter, and shines red when held to the light. Less than a finger of off-white head fades, leaving some lacing on the glass.

I smell caramel, raisin, fig, and a whiff of booze. Not a very strong smell, but quite pleasant.

Everything from the smell is in the taste as well, only much more intense. I pick up the sweet caramel first, and this is quickly followed by a bloom of dark fruit. The boozy warmth is there at the end, but still astonishingly well concealed for 13.5 abv.

Thick and a bit sticky, but not overwhelming.

A very good beer overall, and almost certainly the best I've had in its category.

Pellinore1, Aug 22, 2011
Photo of flannelman808
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%

A: Medium brown and pretty darn opaque. Not much head to speak of.

S: Bourbon, caramel, coco powder and smoke.

T: This stuff is good. Its like drinking a maple iced rhum cake. Very rich and deep. Lots of flavors develop. Sweet finishing but not overtly so.

M: sticky

O: quite good stuff, I was impressed with this one. The high %13+ abv is noticeable but a welcomed addition to the depth of flavor.

flannelman808, Aug 11, 2011
Photo of tewaris
4.15/5  rDev -3.3%

4th Dementia poured a deep murky brown color, incidentally very close to fig flesh, with a medium khaki colored head. The head retention was average, basically a firm ring of foam and a small sheet of bubbles on the surface.

The aroma of 4th Dementia was figs, other dried fruits, caramel, and mild sweet alcohol. The 13.5% alcohol by volume is well masked. Good, but not nearly as rich as its barrel aged version.

4th Dementia, a great tasting ale, is a very very balanced blend of rich, flavorful sweetness, understated bitterness, and a moderate to low astringent character derived from what I assume are roasted grains. Exceptionally clean finish with a medium-long aftertaste. The carbonation keeps the beer alive, bubbly and amazingly easy to drink. The body is medium, and not all that viscous. I assume it's the extended secondary/bottle conditioning that achieves so much flavor while not letting the beer get tiring.

Overall, a great beer! Thanks Ron!

tewaris, Aug 09, 2011
Photo of cosmicevan
4.08/5  rDev -4.9%

had this side-by-side with the BB4D at a barrel aged tasting on 2011-08-06.

clear amber color with no head at all. kind of bock like in the smell...very fruity, nutmeg, very sweet, caramel, spicy malt. flavor is nice, raising, figs, caramel malts. mouth is also good. little heavy, but the booze is well hidden. overall pretty good, not a candle to the BB4D though.

*** ** * ** ***
2012-03-28 2011 vintage into kuhnhenn snifter...

3.5 - 4 - 4.5 - 4 - 4.5

brew poured a deep purple with a thin frothy creamy head that hung out for a few minutes. smell is exactly as last time, nutmeg, caramel and some vanilla malt and plum. really well done old ale. flavor is dominated by rasins and figs. strong sweetness, almost quadlike. booze is invisibile. great beer, a bit overly sweet. the BA takes this great beer and makes it legendary, always a treat to have the original.

cosmicevan, Aug 08, 2011
Photo of cbutova
3.5/5  rDev -18.4%

12oz 2010 vintage shared by Chico1985.

A- Red brown ale with a small silky white head. It forms and dies out fairly quickly. Spotty lace on the glass from a cloud and ring atop the beer.

S- Big caramel dark fruit with a tiny stale feel. Raisins, spice, brown sugar, toasted nuts and slight buttery notes also come to mind.

T- Fruit forward old ale with a nice caramel backdrop. Raisin, molasses and brown sugar as well.

MF- Lower end carbonation with a moderately thick and oily feel. Some alcohol warmth.

Very well hidden 13% ABV but the overall feel and flavor didn't really do it for me. Kind of light feel for the style.

cbutova, Jul 31, 2011
Photo of Chico1985
3.55/5  rDev -17.2%

Bottle traded by FourKicks, had right after a '99 Thomas Hardy's, old school and new school old ales back to back...

Pours dark red, mostly translucent. Beige head sticks around for a bit but succumbs to a ring, not much in the way of lace left behind.

Smell/taste - Nice but compared to the Thomas Hardy's this felt really tame. Mostly dark fruits noticeable (cherry and figs come to mind), caramel and toffee malt, slight vanilla. Mouthfeel was probably the highlight, the 13.5% is extremely well-hidden.

Good overall but nothing blew me away about it. I have another bottle to age, we'll see where that one goes.

Chico1985, Jul 31, 2011
Photo of avalon07
4.7/5  rDev +9.6%

A: Poured from a bottle to a pint glass. Had a murky brown color and a thick consistency. There was a very thin, foamy head that quickly dissipated. Not much lacing to speak of.

S: A big, warm aroma of malt, caramel, molasses, alcohol, and some spices.

T: Tasted like it smelled: Lots of caramel and molasses, some malt, and assorted spices. Alcohol is noticeable, but not overwhelmingly. This is a very complex, extremely flavorful beer.

M: A good amount of carbonation with a smooth, silky finish. Full-bodied.

O: This is an excellent example of an Old Ale. A well made beer all around.

avalon07, Jul 30, 2011
Photo of warnerry
3.75/5  rDev -12.6%

Pours a deep brown w ruby red highlight. No head or lacing to speak of. Smells of raisins and other dark dried fruits, lots of caramel and unfortunately very apparent alcohol. The initial taste is hot alcohol, followed by raisins and figs and a bit of earthiness. Also quite a bit of sweet caramel malts and a hint of smoke. Finishes a bit bitter. Pretty full mouthfeel, but not overwhelmingly heavy. Leaves some lingering bitterness. Overall, this is a bit too fresh perhaps, as the alcohol is quite apparent. However, the alcohol presence doesn't ruin this by any means. I have a few bottles that I look forward to trying after a year or two. This is definitely a sipper, but a nice old ale. Doesn't hold up to the barrel-aged version though.

warnerry, Jul 21, 2011
Photo of wchollif
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%

Bottle poured into a tulip, part of a generous trade from a great trader, semibaked! The pour generates two fingers of head that dissipate quickly, leaving a ring that lingers throughout. The color is a really dark brown with a brick rim. The nose is very sweet malty and slightly boozy. I'm getting some walnut and honey that I really like in the smell. The flavor is caramel and malt all the way. Man this is sweet but in a very good way. Balanced by the good carbonation and bitterness. The finish is warm but approaching hot with a lingering sugar sweetness. Great beer, would have many times over, 13.5% but no problems finishing this 12oz'er.

wchollif, Jul 13, 2011
Photo of JamnesCameron
4.72/5  rDev +10%

Received this 2010 bottle from fear025 in my Birthday BIF box. Thanks Jay!

Poured into a snifter. Pours a deep garnet with barely any head.

Aromas of dark fruits, figs, raisins, prunes. No hop aroma to speak of.

Flavors of deep rich, concentrated dark fruits, like a jam made of raisins, figs and prunes. Sweetness on the edge of being cloying. Reminds me of port wine.

Mouthfeel is big, chewy, syrupy and oily. Just a hint of carbonation.

Overall, an excellent big brew. Lots of rich flavors meld well together.

JamnesCameron, Jun 27, 2011
Photo of dragonWhale
3.55/5  rDev -17.2%

An angry pop..like Huck Finn's father, and the glass fills.
Dark brown, a low film of carb that fades but clings to hope and moves out to the edge of the snifter.
Style says low aromatics, but this beer is anything but. A very sexy barleywinish caramel and oxidized malt characteristic. Complimentary booze aroma is exhausting in my brain. Figs dance like drunk assholes in my mouth. Why does this smell so amazing? Heard some peoples talkin some shit bout this beer, but it smells amazing.
Hard phenolics, strong booze. Sharpness, needs some more time but has the potential to amaze and bewilder even the most complicated of women (or men). Time will certainly tell the tale on this bottled contraption. The sharpness of the characteristics that may make this a fantastic beverage are the only things holding it back. Give this vintage 3 years, it should be amazing. My needs involve picking up another bottle or 3.
2010 vintage..

dragonWhale, Jun 26, 2011
Photo of mwa423
4.18/5  rDev -2.6%

A - Pours a beautiful clear golden/ruby and slightly purple color with a a thick white head with a nice lacing. It's so beautiful that I'm not sure if I want to drink at it or stare at it.

S - The smell is fantastic, lots of dried dark fruit, fig and sweetness. There are more and more malty notes as the beer warms up, absolutely fantastic. Most amazing is the complete lack of alcohol in the nose for such a high abv beer.

T - Taste is like the aroma, complex, fruity and overall fantastic. The main taste is a mix of plum and alcohol. The alcohol is a bit overbearing and leaves a burn that erases lots of of the positive flavors.

M - The mouthfeel is harsh and has a lot of bite, carbonation is minimal which is unsurprising for the style.

Overall, a beautiful and fantastic smelling beer only knocked down by the strong alcohol flavor.

mwa423, Jun 23, 2011
Photo of oregone
3.63/5  rDev -15.4%

A: Dark amber. Good, prodigious (surprisingly so) light cream head with solid retention.
S: Traecle, molasses and alcohol. Good, but little beyond the sweet caramelized flavors, and the booze was aparent.
T:Smell specific. Boozy in a not subtle way, though somewhat expected. Lots of dark caramel and molasses. Some caramelized orange peel and more brandy dessert flavors.
M: Best part of the brew. Carbonaion kept the huge viscocity fresh. Thick and rich but not tiresome. Sticky on the lips, but fresh on the palate.
O: Good. Would drink again, albeit not search it out. A dessert beer for sure and perhaps the size wasn't matched with enough complexity or balance for me. I love big brew, but this wasn't exciting.

oregone, Jun 22, 2011
Photo of pmarlowe
4.43/5  rDev +3.3%

2010 vintage. Kuhnhenn tulip glass.

Pours a deep caramel brown, no lacing and minimal head which disappears completely within a few minutes. Aroma is caramel and malt, brown sugar, some toffee, rye toast, musky and leather notes, chocolate and candied cherries. Alcohol burn is noticeable on the nose. The taste picks up a lot of the nice complex flavors in the aromas, especially the sweet caramel malt, milk chocolate, and toffee. A little bitterness coats the mouth on the finish. Warm, full bodied and medium carbonation, which is probably high for the style but works fine for me. A little hot going down. Overall, this is a fantastic, complex beer, a real sipper but still quite drinkable despite the body and alcohol. My only complaint is that the alcohol is noticeable on both the nose and palate; not terribly surprising, but knocks it down a notch.

pmarlowe, Jun 20, 2011
Photo of claspada
4.7/5  rDev +9.6%

Adding 2009 edition, sampled 2/9/12.
Aromas are the same minus the musty, oxidized qualities.
The tastes are identical and equally as enjoyable as I remember. Dark fruits and light cocoa dominate.
Mouthfeel is crazy coating and amazing.
Overall, I love this beer, considering moving to Michigan to have direct access every time this is released.

Adding 2007 Vintage tasted 1 month after 2005.
The pour had more more evident carbonation/head retention.

Aromas begin with light chocolate. with the below sweet and fruity malts as well. Less of a musty, earthy, leathery presence. Less sweet toffee and more dark chocolate.

The tastes are fairly close to the previous with lots of dark chocolate and dark fruits. Baker's cocoa becomes more apparent as it warms. Zero alcohol tastes or aromas here. This further verifies my beliefs that beer needs to be consumed within 5 years.

Mouthfeel is super full with medium carbonation; much much more than the 05 I had a couple weeks back. Glorious full finish, luscious almost.

Overall I think this beer is at it's peak after 4 years, the 6 year version showed signs of breaking down but this is freakin' epic. I am adjusting my original ranking to reflect this 2007 perfection. Although this is much more chocolatey and cocoa forward than I expect in an Old Ale, it is still probably the best example I have ever had. I just love that dark, bitter, fruit balance.

Sampling 2005 vintages of Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D).
Aromas start with deep dark caramelized brown sugar maltiness and sweet toffee as well. Cocoa and dark dark cherries become quite apparent as this opens up. Lesser notes of leather and earthy/musk in the background with some inevitable alcohol as well.
The tastes follow the nose to a tee. Loads of dark caramel maltiness coupled with equal amounts of toffee sweetness and dark brandy soaked cherry flavors. Lesser notes of cocoa and earthy/leather on the back end (much less compared to the initial flavors mentioned above). Alcohol bite is non-existent which makes sense after 5+ years. Molasses and dark fruits (figs and dates) linger on the palate now that this is room temperature.
The mouthfeel is medium-full bodied with low carbonation, which I usually hate but it works here. Chewy and finishes mildly sticky.
Overall, this is a great old ale; a bit heavy for the style in the dark malt/cocoa flavor profile but absolutely still delicious. Brandy soaked toffee covered cherries is a single sentence descriptor. This has aged superbly and shows no signs to deterioration even after 5+ years.

claspada, Jun 16, 2011
Photo of EgadBananas
4.75/5  rDev +10.7%

Big Thanks to JJFoodie for this amazingness!

A - Pours a wonderful garnet color, with a minimal sized head, tan/yellow in color. Left a surprisingly nice amount of scattered, bubbly lacing.

S - Huge malty notes, lots of sweetness; candied dark fruits, toasted marsh mellow as the label predicts, almost chocolaty.

T - Sweet, but not cloying. Complex rather. Big sweet dark fruits, lots of malts, that toasted marsh mellow again and again with the chocolaty finish. It's complex to the point that it makes description a feat.

M - The feel is viscous, with a viscosity that rivals some stouts. There's an almost chewiness to it, naturally full-bodied, but the finish is clean. Carbonation level is easily next to none, giving way to a wonderful creaminess.

D - You can't smell or taste the alcohol in this monster, but it does create a bit of warming that lets you know that it's there. Drinkability is dangerously good due in part to that, but you'd be wise to limit yourself to one. (Un)Luckily for me, I had but 1 bottles, so I shall be forced to stop at that.

Wonderful Old Ale.

EgadBananas, Jun 16, 2011
Photo of ckeegan04
4.47/5  rDev +4.2%

A - Near impenetrable blackness with just a hint of dark ruby red highlights around the edge. Head is a thin light brown cap that quickly fades to an even thinner ring. When I think 13%+ old ale this is what it looks like right here.

S - Boozy dark fruits quickly waft from the glass upon the initial pour. Cherries, raisins and a bit of brandy. A hint of caramel sweetness comes through as the beer settles. The alcohol is really prevelant through this one and this one is at least 2.5 years old. I can only imagine what it must have been like fresh.

T - Boozy sweetness up front with tastes of sweet bread and caramel. Dark fruits quickly come through; lots of over-ripened cherries, a bit of fig and some brandy soaked raisins. Alcohol is really a dominant force throughout the drink and leaves a long lasting warmth in its trail.

M - Full bodied with light but sufficient carbonation. Sweetness and alcohol both linger long after the drink.

O - A superb beer. I have been holding onto this one for a long time and it certainly lived up to the hype. I will certainly be on the lookout for a way to land a couple of these in the future to toss in the cellar.

ckeegan04, Jun 15, 2011
Photo of spinrsx
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%

12oz Bottle

Appearance – Hazy brown colour with an average size off-white coloured head. There is a low amount of carbonation showing and there is some really good lacing. The head lasted for around 5 minutes before it was gone.

Smell - Malts, caramel, hops, dark fruits, vanilla

Taste & Mouth - There is a slightly below average amount of carbonation and I can taste malts, caramel and toffee. There is also a touch of hop bitterness and I can taste some raisins and light vanilla. The beer finishes with a sweet buttery and malty aftertaste.

Overall – You'd never guess that the beer had 13.5% alcohol. It's very well hidden and while the taste is very sweet it isn't too over the top. I'd definitely like to have a few bottles of this on hand for the colder months. It's a well crafted and well balanced beer and is well worth seeking out.

spinrsx, Jun 13, 2011
Photo of BBP
4.58/5  rDev +6.8%

A- Pours dark chestnut. What looked like good head potential fell back into a film. Luckily the film lasted for the duration of the drink. Slight lace to this one. Moderate carbonation.

S- Carmel, sugars, prunes, and vanilla. A bit like a quad, but lacking the sharp sweetness in the nose.

T- While picking apart the flavors in drinks can be tricky at times, the first thing that I registered was delicious. The hard part will be explaining that. I'm noticing that it just gets better with each sip too.

There's an ever so slight hop base and lots of carmel, spiciness, and wood character on top of it. The sweetness is strong, but not one bit repulsive either. I'm a huge fan of bitterness, and this one feels perfectly balanced to me.

This is an excellent example of using prolific amounts of malt without letting them own the drink. My favorite part of the drink is the aftertaste. It's full of oak and a tinge of carmel that just sets in and holds on for a while.

M- Full, creamy body. The carbonation isn't hard on you, and the alcohol doesn't leave any bad heat either.

O- This is a beer that was far better than I was expecting. I randomly picked it up at the store as a single, and almost feel that it's too good to be a random. The next time I see this I'll opt for the 4pk.

This is a beer that has a lot of depth to it. It's also damn drinkable for 13.5%. It's easy to get hit by this fast.

I'm curious to see how some age will treat it.

BBP, Jun 10, 2011
Photo of SiepJones
4.3/5  rDev +0.2%

A: Pours a dark chestnut in color. The beer is darker in color when I look through the side of my glass as not much is visible through it. When I look down on my beer from above it is much lighter in color and I can see the bottom of my glass. Not a lot of head on the pour. There is only a thin layer of bubbles collecting around the edges of my glass as the carbonation rises to the top.

S: The scent is sweet and syrupy like a fine rum. There is lots of toffee, caramel present with a slight hint of alcohol on the end.

T: The flavor is that of sugary sweet malt, with a heavy toffee presence. I can't put my finger on it but it tastes like some sort of sweet baked good.

M: A very smooth mouth on the beer, I almost want to describe it as "fluffy". Silky smooth with hardly any carbonation present. I am surprised that at 13.5% ABV there isn't more alcohol presence in the flavor or in the mouthfeel. I don't detect any alcohol bite on my tongue, but can feel my head getting warmer while I drink.

D: An enjoyable sipper that has all the characteristics of an easy drinking beer. I had no problem getting through the first six ounces of beer but have significantly slowed down since then. I will not have anything else besides water after I am done.

SiepJones, Jun 06, 2011
Photo of EricCioe
4.18/5  rDev -2.6%

Big thanks to SalukiAlum for sending this one along.

This pours a deep mahogany with just a one finger offwhite cap that dies down to a ring and an island with little hints of lace, but just hints. The nose is an unreal mixture of toffee, caramel, dark fruits, brandy, oak, and alcohol. The heat is pleasant and sort of enhances the caramel and dark fruit rather than overpowering them. In the mouth, the nose repeats, toffee and caramel as the backdrop, with something like brandy soaked figs a bit more centered. It's pretty boozy but then at 13.5% what do you expect? And as in the nose, the alcohol doesn't really detract from anything so much as amplify certain flavors already there. The body not quite full but close, not sticky, not cloying, just pleasant with a nice, long finish. That's the only part for me where the booze starts to overwhelm.

Overall, this is a fine, fine brew, probably my favorite old ale or barleywine that I've ever had. I'd love to do a side by side with this and JW Lees Harvest with similar age on them.

A year and a half later, had this next to BB4D, and this seemed a bit much on the burnt sugar. The barrels rounded off those flavors just a bit and added a nice backing warmth. Both highly recommended, but BB4D takes the cake for me.

EricCioe, Jun 03, 2011
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 868 ratings.