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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 916
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 565
Gots: 206 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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4/5  rDev -6.5%

bsuedekum, Nov 14, 2011
Photo of bbb099
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to scottfrie for sharing this one!

A - Clear mahogany amber with a pretty orange hue and wispy tan head.

S - Strong but pleasant wine and bourbon aroma. Fruity esters present as well.

T - Complex taste of dark fruits (plums, figs) and a dark caramel malt. A little bit of bourbon in there as well. Quite sweet.

M - Medium to full bodied, relatively thick with low carbonation.

O - Well balanced complex beer that I would love to have every dinner.

bbb099, Nov 13, 2011
Photo of mjyoung
4.05/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to scottfrie for this one.

A: The dark brown of a fine wood (mahogany) with absolutely no head and some definite booze stickiness. Nothing really stands out, but it does look good.

S: Sweet toffee and caramel. Almost overwhelmingly so. The usual hints of vanilla and dark fruit, but all I can think of is sugar. A little one note for me, but still good.

T: Yup, definitely sweet. Able to pin down the dark fruit that comes through in the finish, it's raisin. There's a lot of sugar, chocolate and something else slightly not as tasty. The bottle says marshmallows, which I'm not quite getting.

M: Hmm. Nice and syrupy. The mouthfeel is great with a nice medium body and a smooth finish. The booze is so nonexistent that I forgot to even mention it in the taste. Skillfully done.

O: Overall a pretty good beer. This isn't always my favorite style but Kuhnhenn did a good job.

mjyoung, Nov 13, 2011
Photo of Stocean1
3.95/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured a one finger head, upon an amber body, a beige head tops it off with good retention - slowly down to a nice collar of foam, fine bubbles.

Smell is caramel, dark fruit and booze.

Taste follows the nose with apricot and alcohol. Very earhty with a hint of sweet tarts.

Mouth is dry, sweet, warming alcohol however towards the end the booze began to dominate, tart, and not particularly smooth.

O - a decent brew with complexities I enjoy trying but I can not say I would seek it out.

Stocean1, Nov 01, 2011
Photo of aasher
4.2/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This bottle was graciously shared by sixthglass, thanks Tim!

This bottle was the 2008 vintage, 11.8%. It pours a medium bodied and somewhat murky cherried wood brown in color with red highlights and a beige lacing around the glass. It smells of sweet malts, some cherry, raisins, brown sugar, molasses, maple syrup, with some light oak. It's very sweet on the nose yet very aromatic. You can tell that it has aged well thusfar. The flavors too are on the sweet side. You get a lot of raisins, figs, dates, light oak/earthiness, with some vanilla as well. It's very complex and an interesting drink. It's kind of like sipping on a port. The sugar is holding me back from grading it higher. It drinks medium in body and is sticky on the palate. The flavors resonates for a few minutes after each sip. Overall this is a nice old ale, despite the grandiose amount of sugar. It's very, very complex and will make you think while you drink it. It's well worth your while.

aasher, Oct 27, 2011
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3.95/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A: Looks like muddy water when poured into my glass. Zero head.

S: Malt Bomb! Resembles Utopias, lots of ethanol mixed with caramel, raison, chocolate, and, well, malt. Oak also comes through. Almost no hop character.

T: Very slight bitterness, alcohol presence right away, and lingers. Again, malt forward with lots of sweetness but not cloying. Lots of dark fruit flavors in the background. The oak character is perfect.

M: Thinner than I would expect, alcohol lingers but is not hot. low bitterness. Very-very low carbonation.

O: If you like the Utopias "style" of beer, then you would enjoy this. Lots of malt, very low hop character and low carbonation. But, very delicious and boozy. I feel good after just one :)

brewtechnik, Oct 26, 2011
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4.1/5  rDev -4.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a rusty dark brown with only a film of tan head. Nose is heavily malty. Sweet toffee and caramel, plum, dried dark fruits, mollasses, toasted marshmellow. Taste is similiar, very complex mix of dark malts, toffee, brown sugar, heavily mollasses. Thick syrupy mouthfeel, heavily bodied. Robust malt presence makes for a sweet sipper of an olde ale. Strong alcohol presence. Overall an enjoyable beer.

heebes, Oct 23, 2011
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4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I picked up this 2010 vintage bottle in Secret Halloween 2011. The pour is a muddy caramel with a slight white head. The aroma is wonderful, lots of caramel and toffee, hints of alcohol. Taste as good as it smells, mild alcohol on the finish. The body is full, sticky mouthfeel, light carbonation. A great very enjoyable beer, thanks Michael.

bonkers, Oct 23, 2011
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4.47/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2010 Vintage

12oz bottle at fridge temp poured into a snifter split with fellow BA's. had this side by side with the 2010 BA 4D.

they both poured out with pretty much no head. poured out a slightly murky dark brown, the BA version was a little darker. pretty much no head, just a slight ring on the edges.

a very interesting aroma. a grapey kind of winey fruitiness. maybe some dates, figs. a graininess reminded me of some darker breads. also reminded me a lot of frozen apple juice from concentrate.

again lots of fruitiness, mostly the concentrate apple juice. also has a briney almost seaweed sensation, makes for a very interesting flavor. some dark fruits and just a hint of smokey meat.

smooth, a big body, but it hides the big ABV nicely. leaves a bit of stickiness on the palate.

a very interesting beer, not really like anything ive had before. i would definatly seek this out again, would love a few of these for the cellar. having the 2 side by side, i definatly enjoyed this one, the non barrel aged version, better. the BA one was just a bit too hot and kinda of muddled the awesome flavors in the regular one.

dogfishandi, Oct 17, 2011
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4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured a deep chestnut not much of a head even with a vigorous swirl decent slight lacing
Smell huge caramel maltyness big toffee notes.
Taste is a big caramel punch in the face with a bit of booze a bit of Apple cider on the back end
Mouthfeel a bit thin on the side of medium
Overall a pretty nice beer I enjoy the maltyness

sliverX, Oct 17, 2011
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4.5/5  rDev +5.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Chaney- Thanks Brandon!

Review from notes:

Pours a dark amber color w/ a nice sliver of a cocoa head. No carbonation or lacing. Smell is bourbon, caramel, toffee, some alcohol. Taste is the same profile as the nose w/ a toasted marshmallow flavor as well. Awesome. Great feel- smooth, goes down easy. Overall, this is an incredible brew, and I'm glad I got to try it.

jayhawk73, Oct 09, 2011
Photo of Bitterbill
4.93/5  rDev +15.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

From my notes of December 17, 2006.

Poured from 12oz bottle(brewed on 2-16-05 best before 2011!) a super dark brown with a good sized head of foam that slowly shrinks leaving a mostly solid layer that hugs the side of my glass in a most pleasing way.

The smell is....wow! Huge notes of caramel malt, molasses, and fig that just don't quit. The smell alone is woth the price of admission but, I got this one pro gratis compliments of Mentor!!

The taste follows the nose to a T. Awesome caramel and roasted malt that are just tickling my palate to the Nth degree. The molasses and fig that I noted in the nose are there as well as is dark fruit(plum) adding to the complexity of this Old Ale and making it, despite it's high abv, a most drinkable nectar. And yeah, there's a bit of warming as it goes down but the alcohol, for me, is not detectable in the flavour at all. From the first sip right through to the finish, there's no doubt that I'm drinking a world class brew. Yeah, it's *that* damn good!!

Bottom line: Fantastic! If I were given a choice of sipping on this or a Westy 12(different beer styles aside), I'd have a darned hard time making up my mind on which to choose!
Once again, kudos to Mentor for allowing me to try this tasty son of a gun!!

Bitterbill, Oct 06, 2011
Photo of Treebs
4.65/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Split a 12 oz. bottle at Hopcat with fellow BA danielnovak3. Poured into a tulip. 2011 bottle.

A: Pours a very dark ruby with small light khaki head the subsides quickly.

S: Nice dark fruits, caramel, and a little leather. There is faint cherry sweetness in the background.

T: The flavors going on in the taste are incredible. Leather, caramel and tobacco blend together with figs and plums to really create some amazing flavor. Very little alcohol is present and there is no heat. There is a slight sweetness on the finish that really blends it all together.

M: Creamy and coatable. Between heavy and medium on the feel with a nice subtle carbonation. A dark fruit taste is left on the palate.

O: This is what an old ale should taste like. So well balanced and the all the flavors that came through on the taste were awesome. Now I must find the BB4D.

Treebs, Oct 02, 2011
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3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Nice off white head. Deep red body

S - Amazing. Very sweet. Caramel, burnt sugar, molasses dark fruits, a touch of alcohol.

T - Some caramel and dark fruits. Alcohol is very well hidden. A good amount of bitterness coming through at the end. Could use some age. A bit of a disappointment after smelling it.

M - On the thinner side of medium. A bit sticky and syrupy.

O - A decent old ale, definitly not my favorite. I very much prefer the barrel aged version.

s1ckboy, Oct 01, 2011
Photo of Arbitrator
2.23/5  rDev -47.9%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Chilled bottle into a glass. 2009 vintage. Courtesy of semibaked, if I recall correctly. Thanks!

A: Pours a murky chestnut body capped with a short-lived beige head. No lace.

S: Aroma is a treacly, underattenuated grape Jolly Rancher variety. Notes of licorice, rum-soaked raisins. All around sweet.

T: As the nose suggested, this beer is sugar drizzled with raisins, mah nizzle. Way too sweet, sugary, and altogether unfinished-feeling. Simply underattenuated. Wow.

M: Full-bodied, but simplistic; it's sugary, sweet, and simply amateurish in execution. Lots of grape, sugar, and little else. At least it's not boozy.

O: I had a high impression of the barrel-aged Fourth Dementia when it was first released. Unfortunately, even that version has fallen off, but it is far better than the sugar bomb its base beer turned out to be. We didn't finish either version, but we poured out more of this.

Arbitrator, Sep 30, 2011
Photo of homebrew311
3.38/5  rDev -21%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: appearance is a purpleish red, decent amount of clarity, no head, no lacing

S: bold waves of molasses, licorice, maple, and oak. This is a definite malt bomb. Notes of fruit come through, mainly raisins.

T: just like the nose suggested, this one is all about that malts. This one is skewed way towards the sweet side and features bits of earthiness and pepper, not seeming very balanced and the ABV is very present of the finish.

MF: thick body, a bit syrupy, light carbonation

O: well this beer definitely doesn't lack flavor, perhaps my palate just isn't prepared for the overload of sweet malts that this one delivered... I found it to be too sweet.

homebrew311, Sep 21, 2011
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4.53/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks a ton to nkersten for this and many other excellent beers in the heavy metal LIF. Long time want that I cant wait to crack.

A- Nice clear transparent light brown while being poured. About a 1 finger off white head forms that doesnt have much retention. The body is very dark brown and can only been seen through toward the bottom of my snfter. The body there is brown sugar meets amber red. looks nice. 4

S- VERY nice scent! Big sweet maltis all over the place with some vanilla, dark druits, leather and alcohol. Lots of big stinks in here. I wish there was a candle of this, one of the best smelling beers in had. 5

T- Nice sweetness upfront that follows to the end. On the finish the sweetness breaks into its components of toffee, caramel, vanilla and a light roast. Some alcohol burn in the throat but nothing too big. Excellent flavor that masks the 13.5% very well. 4.5

M- Lighter mouthfeel that feels somewhat syrupy. Not really much carbonation to speak of makes this really smooth. 4

O- I'm relatively new to this style but i know that this is an excellent beer. The Flavor and taste are great and I wish I could get more of this or try BB4D.

Gushue3, Sep 14, 2011
Photo of lanamj
4.95/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Got this one on a trade. Thanks StayWhatYouAre2. 12oz bottle, split with a friend, poured into two tulips.

A- This one pours perfectly. Beautiful copper to amber color with a nice foamy white head witch resides to a full circle ring off lacing that ad hears to the glass the entire way down.

S- Caramel, molasses and sweet malts dominate the front of the nose. I do get some mild banana and alcohol but is so nice to smell. All the components come together to form a nicely balanced aroma that is just wonderful. It reminds more of a nice barleywine aroma rather then an old ale.

T- Again just perfect. Lots of sweet flavors such as caramel, molasses, sweet malts and bananas. The alcohol on this is so nicely hidden. I again feel it reminds me more of a barleywine then an old ale.

M- Very smooth and silky. The flavor lingers and is very extensive. This truly is the best Old Ale I have ever had. It goes down so smooth that regardless of the high ABV I could sit and drink a few of these.

O- The best Old Ale I have ever had. It does remind me of a Barleywine and maybe that has a lot to do with it but still amazing. I like the faint banana flavor here unlike some Old Ales that remind me of a banana split. I would love to try the barrel aged version.

lanamj, Sep 08, 2011
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4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Peter of Flying Monkeys, 355ml bottle into some tulips. 2010 winter solstice release, thanks a ton Peter!

Pours a dark brown, with a tan head - transient, and falls to a ring. Big legs on this one. Nose has dried dark fruits, sweet caramel notes, and a hint of metal. Taste reflects this without the metal note (which diminished with warmth), more dried dark fruits - berries and currants, booze, caramel and something I kept percieving as oak, although I'm confident this isn't oak aged. Mouthfeel was medium heavy, with a moderate sweetness that's restrained by some drier qualities throughout. Great drinkability, and doesn't even come close to feeling like the alcohol content advertised. Need to get my lips on the bourbon barreled version.

liamt07, Sep 07, 2011
Photo of tempest
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had a small glass at the Stag's Head. I had a couple other nice beers at the Stag, but man this one stood out. It wasn't overly thick and there's was no knock of alcohol. The flavor was a rich mix of dates, raisins, caramel, and cocoa. There were mild hints of toffee, cola, and grapefruit hops to round this out, making for a fantastic dessert beer.

tempest, Sep 05, 2011
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 916 ratings.