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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 858
Reviews: 438
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 554
Gots: 201 | FT: 26
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of Thorpe429


4.43/5  rDev +3.5%

Picked up at Kuhnhenn a few days after Christmas 2009.

A: Pours a fairly-dark brown with a few mahogany highlights. Pours with a nice tan head and a bit of lacing.

S: Very, very nice and quite complex. Lots of dark malt and accompanying sweetness alongside some dark fruits, cherry, brown sugar, honey, and hints of alcohol.

T: Similar to the smell, with a whole bunch of things going on. A bit of alcohol, which will likely subside with some time, exists alongside loads of sweet malt, brown sugar, caramel, dark fruits, cherry, and raisins.

M: Medium body with a bit too much alcohol at this point, although I'm sure this will meld together very well in time.

D: Incredibly complex and smooth for the alcohol volume it has, this is definitely one to hold onto for a while.

03-08-2010 05:02:12 | More by Thorpe429
Photo of charlesw

New York

2.8/5  rDev -34.6%

Pours murky brown. Plenty of orange highlights up to the light. No head to speak of but the few tiny bubbles that do bother to show up do not leave.

Oh. Hey. First things second. Um. Trading rocks. Yes. Awesome. Incredible. Amazing and all of that. Thanks so much to everyone who has ever shared something they could get with me and I'm so glad that I could return that favor. Otherwise my chances for trying this beer were about zero, eh?

Smells like sweet dirt. Like... Um. Smells like a lightly infected batch of underattenuated extract homebrew. Tiny hints of that weird apricot smell (Willamette or Northern Brewer, is that you?), you know? Still, generally earthy with a heady wiff of alcohol to keep it from being too overpowering.

I taste some of that apricot. Like, lets see... Using too much Willamette hops or something, I guess. And it's sweet. Interesting. Some bitterness. Bitter caramel at the back of the tongue. Hop fruitiness all over the place. Roundly tingly and mouth watering at the end. Interesting.

Sound in the body. Not quite as carbonated as I'd like to see it. Definitely on the thicker side of things, eh?

Glad to have tried it. I'd call it more of a barleywine in so many of these categories. I'd probably give it a little higher mouth and drinkability, at least, as one, too. But, hey, well, that's me.

03-01-2010 23:50:15 | More by charlesw
Photo of BEERchitect


4.75/5  rDev +11%

Fourth Dementia has all the qualities of world class English Barleywines but with a lighter and evaporative body that makes it seductivley drinkable.

The beer pours a rich mohogany hue, moderate haze and a creamy barley stained head. Good lacing and light legging make this one masculine and handsome beer.

Rich aromas of deep molassas, sorghum, toffee, and stone fruits make a dramatic and pronounced impact from the nose. Rum and fruitcake notes give as much complexity as you can expect any one beer to hold.

Succulent flavors of molassas, charred toffee, peanut brittle and brandy show up front. Plumbs, figs, dates, raisons, bruised cherries, and prunes show a well-aged estery mix throughout. Sweeter rums, fruitcake breadiness and light chocolates also add to the complex matrix of the beer. Moderate aged notes of sherry and soy make their way into the savory mix and with pin-point precision in the beer's balance. Absolute complexity and variation with supurb balance and error-free in this 2-year vintage.

I expect a thick and syrupy texture that would be similar to the J.W. Lees and Thomas Hardey's but the beer's light dryness and ample carbonation lifts the beer off of the tongue and away from the palate- allowing for a cotton candy evaporation that is both satisfying and seductive, leaving me wanting the next sip far too soon for a nearly 12% beer.

Fourth Dementia tastes as rich and deep as any big beer but with the drinkability of a 6% beer. This equals danger with me.

Thank you waltonc, you sir are a class act!

02-27-2010 04:09:32 | More by BEERchitect
Photo of semibaked


3.45/5  rDev -19.4%

Poured from a bottle to a tulip glass.

A - Pours a very dark brown with some ruby highlights, next to no carbonation bubbles, some head but goes away quickly.

S - Nice smell of raisins, tons of malt and syrupy sweetness.

T - Wow, very very sweet, kinda like alcoholic raisin syrup. I like it but a little goes a long way.

M - The consistency of syrup (spotting a trend here? :)

D - This may be too much sweetness for me, hard to get down more than a few ounces.

Glad to try it though.

02-18-2010 23:44:30 | More by semibaked
Photo of JoeyBeerBelly

New York

4.33/5  rDev +1.2%

Growler filled on 2/13/10, consumed in a snifter on 2/14/10.

L - reddish/brown color with a tan head that stayed afloat for a good long time which is good because this brew is a sipper.
S - roasted malt, raisin and brown sugar sweetness.
T - yummy, malty and sweet with notes of sugared dates and other dark fruit.
F - medium body with a silky smooth feel.
D - sip it slow and enjoy by a fire.

02-14-2010 16:56:49 | More by JoeyBeerBelly
Photo of WeedKing4

Ontario (Canada)

4.58/5  rDev +7%

Bottle bought from the brewery pours the darkest of reds with a little bit of foam in the duvel glass. This bottle says its 12.5% and its so god damn smooth. I am finding no hint of the alc% in this at all. The taste is wonderful. Hard to explain but I fucking love it. Its got a mixture of dark fruit and dark malt to the taste, but there is something else that I can't figure out how to explain. But I am really digging this beer. Fantastic beverage.

02-05-2010 03:21:03 | More by WeedKing4
Photo of craytonic

District of Columbia

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

2007 bottle, consumed 2/3/10

Appearance: Pour is a deep mahogany brown, little head, but then bubbles spring forth nicel. No lace, but a bright amber-lit looker.

Nose - Cocoa, sherry, port, , toffee, caramel, brown sugar, vanilla, tobacco, and fruit.

Taste - Cocoa, sherry, toffee, and port again (was this barrel aged?), there is something going on that I can't quite grasp. Cherries and berries I suppose, along with the caramel, brown sugar, vanilla, tobacco, and fruit. Just sweet enough. It is good, but for some reason the flavors are neither pronounced or distinct.

Mouthfeel - full and silky smooth but a bit chewy, could not ask for more.

Drinkability - Highly drinkable, you do not notice the 11.8% abv, but then again it is a very small bottle

It is good, but nothing really distinguishes it. Very mellow. Nice by-the-fire sipper, and I like that it has a bit of oxidation to it.

02-04-2010 03:44:48 | More by craytonic
Photo of Crittervision

North Carolina

4.53/5  rDev +5.8%

thanks to triptens for this. split with beavers.

body is a yeast-clouded maroon-tinted brown with an everlasting eighth to quarter-inch creamy, frothy head. simply beautiful.

smell is of fermented prune juice, hints of black pepper, bready sweetness, lightly cinnamony (mike said spiced apples, yes yes)

that brown-sugary bready sweetness from the nose is precisely mirrored in the taste. macerated prunes. black pepper just noticeable after it warms a bit. hint of tobacco. very reminiscent of jw lees. a slight bitterness and a roastiness round it out wonderfully.

ultra smooth, mouth is full of creamy goodness.

incredible. the heat becomes apparent on warming, but definitely within reason. alcohol stays masked behind everything. exquisite.

01-24-2010 01:23:51 | More by Crittervision
Photo of enfield249


4.38/5  rDev +2.3%

A - Pours deep red brown, with little to no head, small ring of off white foam around the edge of the glass.

S - Lots of roasty sweetness, molasses, spice and dark fruit.

T - Wow. Sweet, malty, and lots of dark fruit on the tail end.

M - Full, thick and cloying, just like an old ale should be.

D - A great beer, but most assuredly a sipper.

01-23-2010 17:41:41 | More by enfield249
Photo of beavers

North Carolina

4.2/5  rDev -1.9%

Thanks to Crittervision for opening this one up.

A: Chestnut brown with a luscious creamy cappuccino-like head that has outstanding retention and lacing.

S: Big nose of bready malts, spiced apples, black pepper, dark fruit puree.

T: Sweet bready (yeasty) malt up front, tart apples, brown sugar (chewing tobacco!), cinnamon, roasted (slighty chocolatey) malt finish, slightly warming alcohol. Lingering sweetness and becomes more and more present with each sip.

M: Full bodied with moderate carbonation. Works well with the sweetness.

D: This is a big beer and the alcohol is very well integrated. This is surely a sipper and a great one at that.

This is classified as an Old Ale, but you could have told me English Barleywine and I would have believed you. It fits both categories well.

01-23-2010 05:19:18 | More by beavers
Photo of ricke


4.43/5  rDev +3.5%

Thanks to brewdan for this one.

Dark reddish brown with a dense tanned head with quite good retention.

The smell is rich, but not overly heavy. Caramel, vinous cherries and grapes, toffee and a fresh floral note. Nice and round aroma.

The taste is really pleasant. A complex and fill malty character with lots of vinous fruits (cherries, plums, dried fruits), toffee and caramel. Some woody notes and a gentle cellar character. Hints of powdered chocolate. An interesting mild tart note develops in the middle and complements the massive sweetness really well. The finish is warming with a spot on note of sweet alcohol, malts and grape skin.

Full body, really chewy but with quite e refreshing level of carbonation.

All in all, integrated and complex, and surprisingly easy to drink despite the heavy character. Good stuff.

01-21-2010 23:01:54 | More by ricke
Photo of Shumista


4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

2009- Probably too early to crack this one. I'm going to have to buy a few more for the "cellar". I like the label on this, it looks like they printed with a PC computer printer in the back office of the brewery. Has a great microbrewed look.

Poured from a 12 oz. bottle into my newly pilfered pint glass. I once knew someone who had an extensive pint glass collection from brewpubs across the country. What he was really proud of is that he hadn't paid for a single one of them. His reasoning was that if he had knocked the glass off the table by accident and broken it they wouldn't charge him 5 bucks, so why should he pay for one? Anyways when I occasionally pilfer a pint glass I think of him. Cheers.

A- Pours dark brown with a small fizzy light brown head.

S- Molasses, burnt brown sugar, chocolate, whiskey. Everything that is right with the world.

T- Very strong aggressive taste, this one beats up the taste buds until the get accustomed to it. Whiskey, dark cherries, molasses, brown sugar, alcohol, maple syrup. Wonderful.

M- Thick, syrupy and warming. My kind of beer for a winter night.

D- Very high. I expected this to need some age to mellow out before it would be very drinkable but I like it just fine as is.

I'm going back to the store for more of this tomorrow, a hope they have a few bottles left.

01-20-2010 07:11:52 | More by Shumista
Photo of Pencible


3.7/5  rDev -13.6%

2008 vintage. This poured a hazy reddish mahogany with lots of light tan head. It smelled like earthy cocoa and musty roasted barley, with some coffee and cream and molasses. It tasted like super sweet prunes and molasses and raisins, with some honey wheat and rich brown sugar. This is the definition of cloying sweetness. It was somewhat thick with a bit of carbonation, and had a lasting bittersweet aftertaste. Overall this had a strange scent for an old ale, with a powerful taste that wasn't very complex but instead just a barrage of sweet dark fruits. It had good body, and hid the alcohol fairly well. But this really needs to be sipped due to all the sugar. A decent beer, but not really one of my favorite old ales.

01-01-2010 18:38:20 | More by Pencible
Photo of ShadesOfGray


4.35/5  rDev +1.6%

Got via trade from a fellow BA. Pours extremely dark brown with large tan frothy head. Very cloudy and laces very nice...wow the aroma is wonderful. I can smell the strong sweet caramel and malts before even getting close. Now, I'm also picking up a little hops, and chocolate. Drinking at room temp btw.
Taste is awesome(2008 vintage btw). Very sweet with caramel, sugars, malts, booze, tangy...creamy. Wow, what a great brew! A little thick so hard to put more than one down in a tasting. Yummy!

12-10-2009 17:06:45 | More by ShadesOfGray
Photo of rye726


4.78/5  rDev +11.7%

Pours a rich, dark mahogany with a silky tan head and nice lacing.

Nose has figs, plums, cherries, chocolate, toffee, caramel, honey, pecans, and brandy. Simply superb.

Taste is just as complex. Flavors of port, dark pitted fruits, carmelized candies, nutty malts and cognac.

Full creamy body is delicately carbonated. Long, lasting finish.

Near perfect example of the style. Will age well fro years to come.

11-30-2009 02:36:21 | More by rye726
Photo of CoolJosh


4.58/5  rDev +7%

Huge ups to ma main man treyrab diggity.

This beer looks amazing with it's bottle shape figure. Pours a decadent wooded dark brown. A huge light yellow creamy head really adds to the appetizing factor of this beer.

This. beer. smells. so. good. A heavily roasted hazlenut and caramel matched with vanilla alludes to this beers depth and complexity. As Trey pointed out, there is a nice funky element that was present in Kuhnhenn's Triple Bock. This beer is just as enjoyable in the taste. So smooth yet highly carbonated. The roasted flavors carry well and really take this beer to the next level. I'll file this beer under incredible beers that I will never get to try again...

11-28-2009 02:15:59 | More by CoolJosh
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4.3/5  rDev +0.5%

Huge thanks goes out to my man Derek (hoppymeal) for sending me this Kuhnhenn delight to have for the night before my CPA exam. Split with CoolJosh into two snifters.

A: Opens with a nice hiss and the usual smoke that comes out of the bottle. Poured prudently into the bottom of the snifter. Pours with a nice two finger tan head that lasts the whole glass. For an old ale to have a head like this is just absurd. The color is a nice dark brown with ruby hues.

S: The smell reminds me of their triple bock mixed with american barleywine. Great sweet caramel and toffee blended with some sour milk, chocolate, and some prunes and figs. Some herbal and grassy notes also come out.

T: Very interesting and simultaneously tasty. Reminds me of Bell's eccentric ale. Odd how everything that this reminds me of was also sent by Derek (Eccentric and Kuhnhenn Triple Bock). The milkiness, toffee and caramel are sublime.

M/D: The carbonation is a tad high for an old ale. A little lower and it would be perfect!

Overall, this was the perfect beer for a cold PA night Thanks Derek.

11-28-2009 01:46:22 | More by treyrab
Photo of bret27


3.63/5  rDev -15.2%

2007, 2+ yr old bottle.

A: Brown/amber, minimal light brown head.

S: Heavy malt sweetness

T: Bready, malty, sweet, vanilla, citrus notes, alcohol.

M: Fairly thick + full bodied.

D: Pretty thick w/alcohol presence pretty strong. So not so great.

O: Pretty good solid beer, but not mind-blowing, or something to drink all the time. Not sure if the age helps or hurts this beer. There just wasn't a whole lot of flavor coming out of it for me.

11-25-2009 05:03:38 | More by bret27
Photo of illidurit


3.98/5  rDev -7%

07 bottle courtesy bret27. Pours a murky orange-brown with barely any tan head. Aroma is big on tropical fruit and caramel. Flavor is similar, monstrous body with tons of caramel, ripe citrus and figs. Alcohol really isn't that noticeable. It's warming but well-integrated. Very rich and full-bodied, a good slow-sipper.

11-21-2009 21:39:54 | More by illidurit
Photo of emerge077


4.28/5  rDev 0%

Thanks to Craig & or Wes for this fine Michigan beer.

Poured into an Oerbier tulip, 4th D glows a ruby-copper color with a sticky layer of foam across the top. Some dried papaya/pineapple throwing off fruity esters in the aroma. Something rich and earthy underneath, a sticky sweet caramel toffee that carries over to the taste. Very rich and boozy, yet this is my favorite vintage so far in terms of balance. A warm blanket of dried fruits and rich maltiness. The alcohol is pretty well integrated, by now you know this is a slow sipper. More than one, and you'll be on the floor... also cigar-worthy if thats your thing.

11-15-2009 05:19:21 | More by emerge077
Photo of rhinos00


4.75/5  rDev +11%

Received this long time want from Eric (viggo) in the Gentlemen's Club BIF. 2007 Vintage. Poured into a snifter.

A- Pours a very dark brown with shades of maroon throughout. Very little clarity. Produced a fingers width of off-white head. Over time dissipated into a thin ring around the glass.

S- Malt explosion. Lightly smoked malts, along with toffee and caramel scents. Also picking up a bit of vanilla and barrel as well. The barrel I'm noticing gives the beer a slightly nutty attribute.

T- Oh man, just heavenly. Easily one of the best beers I have had in a long, long time. For a few brief moments an oak barrel, malt flavor lingers on the palate. However, a wave a vanilla, caramel flavors just transform this beer into something so beautiful. Almost like Vanilla Bean DL except the sweetness was not as overwhelming. This beer finishes sweet, but not as sweet as say Dark Lord or Darkness. Just perfect.

M- If there was ever a beer that matched the mouthfeel with the taste perfectly, this was it. Medium bodied, but was silky and smooth. Left some residual stickiness on the palate.

D- I could have put this down so quickly, but I tried to savor each sip. Didn't even notice that this was close to 12%abv.

Overall, this beer, particularly this vintage, is just ridiculous. All I can say is that if you have 2007 Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia, send them to me ;^)

11-15-2009 04:47:29 | More by rhinos00
Photo of John_M


4.4/5  rDev +2.8%

Many thanks to Dyan for sharing this beer with me, my first ever beer from Kuhnhenn Brewing.

The beer pours a dark brown color with very good head retention and lacing. The nose on this beer is huge, presenting brown sugar, butter, chocolate and leather. Mama mia, this beer smells great! Flavors on the palate replicate the nose, and I'm impressed by how incredibly rich tasting and intense the flavor profile is. Furthermore, despite considerable sweetness, this beer was not the least bit heavy, cloying or tiring on the palate. I get some slight woodiness on the finish, which only adds to the extremely long and smooth finish. Alcohol is noticeable, but is not intrusive in any way. Still, this is clearly a sipper, and one is all I can ever imagine having of this fine beer. Nevertheless, this is a very flavorful, very big, and very fine beer. Excellent stuff.

10-06-2009 18:20:47 | More by John_M
Photo of AKBelgianBeast


4.15/5  rDev -3%

Big thanks to mymnmmgjckt for the bottle.

Pours an ominously murky, nearly impenetrable brown with a very nice off white almost manilla head that lingers very well and leaves good lacing.

Nose is full of dark fruit, prune and plum with some sweet sugars and alcohol. Smells very similar to an english BW.

Wow. More carbonated than i was expected. Taste is incredibly rich and thick. Huge dark fruit flavors. Figs, prunes, plums, all nice and glazed with some kind of alcohol. Very sugary and sweet, with alot of BW flavors. The finish is mildly bitter, and the aftertaste is full of booze and sugar.

Mouthfeel is nice and viscous, but slightly overcarbonated for the style, IMO. Very chewy, but just under the cloying borderline.

Drinkability is good for the style, but nothing amazing. The alcohol is still pretty apparent, and this one is VERY close to cloying.

Overall this is a fine beer. If old ales and barleywines are your thing, you will definitely love this one. Great sweet flavors and incredible potential for cellaring. Would love to get ahold of a couple more of these to put some time on. An excellent beer.

09-22-2009 03:45:55 | More by AKBelgianBeast
Photo of csmiley


4.15/5  rDev -3%

Many thanks to prototypic for this generous gift.

Bottle marked 2008.

A - Pours a color that leans real close to dark brown. There is a reddish tint hidden deep in there as well. It starts to take on a lighter brown towards the bottom and edges of the glass and finishes off a bright copper. It's murky but that seems slightly disguised by the darker color. The tan head comes to half inch before taking a couple minutes to recede to a thin tan cap. Some lace remains but it's spotty at best.

S - Aroma is big and complex. Starts out with a warming alcohol and quickly moves on to thick caramel and some honey coated granola. Fruit sort of shows up in the middle with notes of cherry and fig. That warm alcohol just doesn't want to let go. It's steady all the way through. Dark bread and yeast wrap it up. Oh yeah, and alcohol.

T - Interesting. Saying this is a big beer would be a complete understatement. Fruit is much more present in the flavor. Cherry, pear, raspberry, and maybe some apple. There might even be a hint of citrus as well. Caramel and toffee in the middle with a remote hint of tea. Thick bread and cake on the end. Alcohol is strong and almost too warm for this one. The fruitiness starts to fade as the beer warms and that helps to bring it all into balance a little better.

M - Full bodied with a light carbonation level that work out well for the brew. Finish is hot, thick, and a little sweet. It never actually lets go of the palate. You'll be tasting this one for hours.

D - Drinkability is good. Going into this one I was expecting a big strong brew and my expectations were well exceeded. This one is a sipper but the complexity is there to keep you coming back for another sip and another sip. I would say the alcohol could be dialed back a bit but it does seem to work pretty well with the other big flavors that are going on here. Could I have more than one? Probably not. Would I get this again? Definitely.

09-17-2009 03:40:57 | More by csmiley
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Ontario (Canada)

3.3/5  rDev -22.9%

Eric's bottle from Eric. Cheers, Eric!

Pleasing appearance, as the liquid reveals itself to be a deep and luxurious mahogany with a large tan head which gradually fades, leaving clumps of foam floating in the glass. No lace though. Malt heavy aroma of caramel and sweet dark fruit. The flavour is decent, but too sugar heavy to advance beyond that. Lots of rich dark fruit (particularly raisin), and sweet malt by the bucketload. Caramel and toasty brown sugar. Just way too much sweetness, and it becomes cloying after a while. The alcohol, on the other hand, is hardly noticable. Heavy sweet and sticky mouthfeel just adds to the cloying feeling.

I'm glad to try this, but its not of the same caliber as a Thomas Hardy's or Old Stock. The sweetness is just way out of line and torpedoes some of the finer flavours lurking underneath. Perhaps time would fix this one?

09-14-2009 02:58:24 | More by bobsy
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 858 ratings.