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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 878
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 557
Gots: 206 | FT: 26
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of WeedKing4
4.58/5  rDev +7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Bottle bought from the brewery pours the darkest of reds with a little bit of foam in the duvel glass. This bottle says its 12.5% and its so god damn smooth. I am finding no hint of the alc% in this at all. The taste is wonderful. Hard to explain but I fucking love it. Its got a mixture of dark fruit and dark malt to the taste, but there is something else that I can't figure out how to explain. But I am really digging this beer. Fantastic beverage.

WeedKing4, Feb 05, 2010
Photo of craytonic
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2007 bottle, consumed 2/3/10

Appearance: Pour is a deep mahogany brown, little head, but then bubbles spring forth nicel. No lace, but a bright amber-lit looker.

Nose - Cocoa, sherry, port, , toffee, caramel, brown sugar, vanilla, tobacco, and fruit.

Taste - Cocoa, sherry, toffee, and port again (was this barrel aged?), there is something going on that I can't quite grasp. Cherries and berries I suppose, along with the caramel, brown sugar, vanilla, tobacco, and fruit. Just sweet enough. It is good, but for some reason the flavors are neither pronounced or distinct.

Mouthfeel - full and silky smooth but a bit chewy, could not ask for more.

Drinkability - Highly drinkable, you do not notice the 11.8% abv, but then again it is a very small bottle

It is good, but nothing really distinguishes it. Very mellow. Nice by-the-fire sipper, and I like that it has a bit of oxidation to it.

craytonic, Feb 04, 2010
Photo of Crittervision
4.53/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

thanks to triptens for this. split with beavers.

body is a yeast-clouded maroon-tinted brown with an everlasting eighth to quarter-inch creamy, frothy head. simply beautiful.

smell is of fermented prune juice, hints of black pepper, bready sweetness, lightly cinnamony (mike said spiced apples, yes yes)

that brown-sugary bready sweetness from the nose is precisely mirrored in the taste. macerated prunes. black pepper just noticeable after it warms a bit. hint of tobacco. very reminiscent of jw lees. a slight bitterness and a roastiness round it out wonderfully.

ultra smooth, mouth is full of creamy goodness.

incredible. the heat becomes apparent on warming, but definitely within reason. alcohol stays masked behind everything. exquisite.

Crittervision, Jan 24, 2010
Photo of enfield249
4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - Pours deep red brown, with little to no head, small ring of off white foam around the edge of the glass.

S - Lots of roasty sweetness, molasses, spice and dark fruit.

T - Wow. Sweet, malty, and lots of dark fruit on the tail end.

M - Full, thick and cloying, just like an old ale should be.

D - A great beer, but most assuredly a sipper.

enfield249, Jan 23, 2010
Photo of beavers
4.2/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to Crittervision for opening this one up.

A: Chestnut brown with a luscious creamy cappuccino-like head that has outstanding retention and lacing.

S: Big nose of bready malts, spiced apples, black pepper, dark fruit puree.

T: Sweet bready (yeasty) malt up front, tart apples, brown sugar (chewing tobacco!), cinnamon, roasted (slighty chocolatey) malt finish, slightly warming alcohol. Lingering sweetness and becomes more and more present with each sip.

M: Full bodied with moderate carbonation. Works well with the sweetness.

D: This is a big beer and the alcohol is very well integrated. This is surely a sipper and a great one at that.

This is classified as an Old Ale, but you could have told me English Barleywine and I would have believed you. It fits both categories well.

beavers, Jan 23, 2010
Photo of ricke
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Thanks to brewdan for this one.

Dark reddish brown with a dense tanned head with quite good retention.

The smell is rich, but not overly heavy. Caramel, vinous cherries and grapes, toffee and a fresh floral note. Nice and round aroma.

The taste is really pleasant. A complex and fill malty character with lots of vinous fruits (cherries, plums, dried fruits), toffee and caramel. Some woody notes and a gentle cellar character. Hints of powdered chocolate. An interesting mild tart note develops in the middle and complements the massive sweetness really well. The finish is warming with a spot on note of sweet alcohol, malts and grape skin.

Full body, really chewy but with quite e refreshing level of carbonation.

All in all, integrated and complex, and surprisingly easy to drink despite the heavy character. Good stuff.

ricke, Jan 21, 2010
Photo of Shumista
4.5/5  rDev +5.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

2009- Probably too early to crack this one. I'm going to have to buy a few more for the "cellar". I like the label on this, it looks like they printed with a PC computer printer in the back office of the brewery. Has a great microbrewed look.

Poured from a 12 oz. bottle into my newly pilfered pint glass. I once knew someone who had an extensive pint glass collection from brewpubs across the country. What he was really proud of is that he hadn't paid for a single one of them. His reasoning was that if he had knocked the glass off the table by accident and broken it they wouldn't charge him 5 bucks, so why should he pay for one? Anyways when I occasionally pilfer a pint glass I think of him. Cheers.

A- Pours dark brown with a small fizzy light brown head.

S- Molasses, burnt brown sugar, chocolate, whiskey. Everything that is right with the world.

T- Very strong aggressive taste, this one beats up the taste buds until the get accustomed to it. Whiskey, dark cherries, molasses, brown sugar, alcohol, maple syrup. Wonderful.

M- Thick, syrupy and warming. My kind of beer for a winter night.

D- Very high. I expected this to need some age to mellow out before it would be very drinkable but I like it just fine as is.

I'm going back to the store for more of this tomorrow, a hope they have a few bottles left.

Shumista, Jan 20, 2010
Photo of Pencible
3.7/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

2008 vintage. This poured a hazy reddish mahogany with lots of light tan head. It smelled like earthy cocoa and musty roasted barley, with some coffee and cream and molasses. It tasted like super sweet prunes and molasses and raisins, with some honey wheat and rich brown sugar. This is the definition of cloying sweetness. It was somewhat thick with a bit of carbonation, and had a lasting bittersweet aftertaste. Overall this had a strange scent for an old ale, with a powerful taste that wasn't very complex but instead just a barrage of sweet dark fruits. It had good body, and hid the alcohol fairly well. But this really needs to be sipped due to all the sugar. A decent beer, but not really one of my favorite old ales.

Pencible, Jan 01, 2010
Photo of ShadesOfGray
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got via trade from a fellow BA. Pours extremely dark brown with large tan frothy head. Very cloudy and laces very nice...wow the aroma is wonderful. I can smell the strong sweet caramel and malts before even getting close. Now, I'm also picking up a little hops, and chocolate. Drinking at room temp btw.
Taste is awesome(2008 vintage btw). Very sweet with caramel, sugars, malts, booze, tangy...creamy. Wow, what a great brew! A little thick so hard to put more than one down in a tasting. Yummy!

ShadesOfGray, Dec 10, 2009
Photo of rye726
4.78/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Pours a rich, dark mahogany with a silky tan head and nice lacing.

Nose has figs, plums, cherries, chocolate, toffee, caramel, honey, pecans, and brandy. Simply superb.

Taste is just as complex. Flavors of port, dark pitted fruits, carmelized candies, nutty malts and cognac.

Full creamy body is delicately carbonated. Long, lasting finish.

Near perfect example of the style. Will age well fro years to come.

rye726, Nov 30, 2009
Photo of CoolJosh
4.58/5  rDev +7%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Huge ups to ma main man treyrab diggity.

This beer looks amazing with it's bottle shape figure. Pours a decadent wooded dark brown. A huge light yellow creamy head really adds to the appetizing factor of this beer.

This. beer. smells. so. good. A heavily roasted hazlenut and caramel matched with vanilla alludes to this beers depth and complexity. As Trey pointed out, there is a nice funky element that was present in Kuhnhenn's Triple Bock. This beer is just as enjoyable in the taste. So smooth yet highly carbonated. The roasted flavors carry well and really take this beer to the next level. I'll file this beer under incredible beers that I will never get to try again...

CoolJosh, Nov 28, 2009
Photo of treyrab
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Huge thanks goes out to my man Derek (hoppymeal) for sending me this Kuhnhenn delight to have for the night before my CPA exam. Split with CoolJosh into two snifters.

A: Opens with a nice hiss and the usual smoke that comes out of the bottle. Poured prudently into the bottom of the snifter. Pours with a nice two finger tan head that lasts the whole glass. For an old ale to have a head like this is just absurd. The color is a nice dark brown with ruby hues.

S: The smell reminds me of their triple bock mixed with american barleywine. Great sweet caramel and toffee blended with some sour milk, chocolate, and some prunes and figs. Some herbal and grassy notes also come out.

T: Very interesting and simultaneously tasty. Reminds me of Bell's eccentric ale. Odd how everything that this reminds me of was also sent by Derek (Eccentric and Kuhnhenn Triple Bock). The milkiness, toffee and caramel are sublime.

M/D: The carbonation is a tad high for an old ale. A little lower and it would be perfect!

Overall, this was the perfect beer for a cold PA night Thanks Derek.

treyrab, Nov 28, 2009
Photo of bret27
3.63/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

2007, 2+ yr old bottle.

A: Brown/amber, minimal light brown head.

S: Heavy malt sweetness

T: Bready, malty, sweet, vanilla, citrus notes, alcohol.

M: Fairly thick + full bodied.

D: Pretty thick w/alcohol presence pretty strong. So not so great.

O: Pretty good solid beer, but not mind-blowing, or something to drink all the time. Not sure if the age helps or hurts this beer. There just wasn't a whole lot of flavor coming out of it for me.

bret27, Nov 25, 2009
Photo of illidurit
3.98/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

07 bottle courtesy bret27. Pours a murky orange-brown with barely any tan head. Aroma is big on tropical fruit and caramel. Flavor is similar, monstrous body with tons of caramel, ripe citrus and figs. Alcohol really isn't that noticeable. It's warming but well-integrated. Very rich and full-bodied, a good slow-sipper.

illidurit, Nov 21, 2009
Photo of emerge077
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to Craig & or Wes for this fine Michigan beer.

Poured into an Oerbier tulip, 4th D glows a ruby-copper color with a sticky layer of foam across the top. Some dried papaya/pineapple throwing off fruity esters in the aroma. Something rich and earthy underneath, a sticky sweet caramel toffee that carries over to the taste. Very rich and boozy, yet this is my favorite vintage so far in terms of balance. A warm blanket of dried fruits and rich maltiness. The alcohol is pretty well integrated, by now you know this is a slow sipper. More than one, and you'll be on the floor... also cigar-worthy if thats your thing.

emerge077, Nov 15, 2009
Photo of rhinos00
4.75/5  rDev +11%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Received this long time want from Eric (viggo) in the Gentlemen's Club BIF. 2007 Vintage. Poured into a snifter.

A- Pours a very dark brown with shades of maroon throughout. Very little clarity. Produced a fingers width of off-white head. Over time dissipated into a thin ring around the glass.

S- Malt explosion. Lightly smoked malts, along with toffee and caramel scents. Also picking up a bit of vanilla and barrel as well. The barrel I'm noticing gives the beer a slightly nutty attribute.

T- Oh man, just heavenly. Easily one of the best beers I have had in a long, long time. For a few brief moments an oak barrel, malt flavor lingers on the palate. However, a wave a vanilla, caramel flavors just transform this beer into something so beautiful. Almost like Vanilla Bean DL except the sweetness was not as overwhelming. This beer finishes sweet, but not as sweet as say Dark Lord or Darkness. Just perfect.

M- If there was ever a beer that matched the mouthfeel with the taste perfectly, this was it. Medium bodied, but was silky and smooth. Left some residual stickiness on the palate.

D- I could have put this down so quickly, but I tried to savor each sip. Didn't even notice that this was close to 12%abv.

Overall, this beer, particularly this vintage, is just ridiculous. All I can say is that if you have 2007 Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia, send them to me ;^)

rhinos00, Nov 15, 2009
Photo of John_M
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Many thanks to Dyan for sharing this beer with me, my first ever beer from Kuhnhenn Brewing.

The beer pours a dark brown color with very good head retention and lacing. The nose on this beer is huge, presenting brown sugar, butter, chocolate and leather. Mama mia, this beer smells great! Flavors on the palate replicate the nose, and I'm impressed by how incredibly rich tasting and intense the flavor profile is. Furthermore, despite considerable sweetness, this beer was not the least bit heavy, cloying or tiring on the palate. I get some slight woodiness on the finish, which only adds to the extremely long and smooth finish. Alcohol is noticeable, but is not intrusive in any way. Still, this is clearly a sipper, and one is all I can ever imagine having of this fine beer. Nevertheless, this is a very flavorful, very big, and very fine beer. Excellent stuff.

John_M, Oct 06, 2009
Photo of AKBelgianBeast
4.15/5  rDev -3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Big thanks to mymnmmgjckt for the bottle.

Pours an ominously murky, nearly impenetrable brown with a very nice off white almost manilla head that lingers very well and leaves good lacing.

Nose is full of dark fruit, prune and plum with some sweet sugars and alcohol. Smells very similar to an english BW.

Wow. More carbonated than i was expected. Taste is incredibly rich and thick. Huge dark fruit flavors. Figs, prunes, plums, all nice and glazed with some kind of alcohol. Very sugary and sweet, with alot of BW flavors. The finish is mildly bitter, and the aftertaste is full of booze and sugar.

Mouthfeel is nice and viscous, but slightly overcarbonated for the style, IMO. Very chewy, but just under the cloying borderline.

Drinkability is good for the style, but nothing amazing. The alcohol is still pretty apparent, and this one is VERY close to cloying.

Overall this is a fine beer. If old ales and barleywines are your thing, you will definitely love this one. Great sweet flavors and incredible potential for cellaring. Would love to get ahold of a couple more of these to put some time on. An excellent beer.

AKBelgianBeast, Sep 22, 2009
Photo of csmiley
4.15/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Many thanks to prototypic for this generous gift.

Bottle marked 2008.

A - Pours a color that leans real close to dark brown. There is a reddish tint hidden deep in there as well. It starts to take on a lighter brown towards the bottom and edges of the glass and finishes off a bright copper. It's murky but that seems slightly disguised by the darker color. The tan head comes to half inch before taking a couple minutes to recede to a thin tan cap. Some lace remains but it's spotty at best.

S - Aroma is big and complex. Starts out with a warming alcohol and quickly moves on to thick caramel and some honey coated granola. Fruit sort of shows up in the middle with notes of cherry and fig. That warm alcohol just doesn't want to let go. It's steady all the way through. Dark bread and yeast wrap it up. Oh yeah, and alcohol.

T - Interesting. Saying this is a big beer would be a complete understatement. Fruit is much more present in the flavor. Cherry, pear, raspberry, and maybe some apple. There might even be a hint of citrus as well. Caramel and toffee in the middle with a remote hint of tea. Thick bread and cake on the end. Alcohol is strong and almost too warm for this one. The fruitiness starts to fade as the beer warms and that helps to bring it all into balance a little better.

M - Full bodied with a light carbonation level that work out well for the brew. Finish is hot, thick, and a little sweet. It never actually lets go of the palate. You'll be tasting this one for hours.

D - Drinkability is good. Going into this one I was expecting a big strong brew and my expectations were well exceeded. This one is a sipper but the complexity is there to keep you coming back for another sip and another sip. I would say the alcohol could be dialed back a bit but it does seem to work pretty well with the other big flavors that are going on here. Could I have more than one? Probably not. Would I get this again? Definitely.

csmiley, Sep 17, 2009
Photo of bobsy
3.3/5  rDev -22.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Eric's bottle from Eric. Cheers, Eric!

Pleasing appearance, as the liquid reveals itself to be a deep and luxurious mahogany with a large tan head which gradually fades, leaving clumps of foam floating in the glass. No lace though. Malt heavy aroma of caramel and sweet dark fruit. The flavour is decent, but too sugar heavy to advance beyond that. Lots of rich dark fruit (particularly raisin), and sweet malt by the bucketload. Caramel and toasty brown sugar. Just way too much sweetness, and it becomes cloying after a while. The alcohol, on the other hand, is hardly noticable. Heavy sweet and sticky mouthfeel just adds to the cloying feeling.

I'm glad to try this, but its not of the same caliber as a Thomas Hardy's or Old Stock. The sweetness is just way out of line and torpedoes some of the finer flavours lurking underneath. Perhaps time would fix this one?

bobsy, Sep 14, 2009
Photo of ritzkiss
3.55/5  rDev -17.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12oz bottle in a trade from Viggo - thanks a bunch man! 2008 vintage.

Pours a dark amber with a pillowy caramel head, actually quite a solid foam buildup for a barleywine/old ale. Doesn't leave any lacing though.

Nose is heavy, sweet caramel, bready malts, just a hint of fruit.

This is one sweet brew. As others have mentioned, this beer tastes a little more in line with an English barleywine than an old ale. Thick, syrupy caramel, brown sugar, bread, toast, flowery, a hint of alcohol in the finish (but for 12% it is remarkably well hidden), just the faintest hop bittering in the finish.

This one is too sweet for me; you can almost feel the sugar moving between your teeth. That said, it hides the alcohol really well and if you dig the really sweet brews this one would be sneaky dangerous. I found it all a little messy, not enough room for the individual flavors to shine through - just too sweet. Thanks again for the chance to try this one, Eric!

ritzkiss, Sep 13, 2009
Photo of JRhode
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle w/ jessethehutt courtesy of MiScusi. 2007 edition.

Burnt amber color with minimal head. Spotty lacing. Smells like vanilla custard, toffee, fig. Taste is more dark fruit, raisin, followed by sweet malt and pumpkin pie spices. Finishes with some alcohol bitterness. Creamy, mouth coating; medium to low carbonation. Alcohol bitterness knocks down mouthfeel a notch. Fairly drinkable for almost 12% abv.

JRhode, Aug 21, 2009
Photo of rudylaw
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

On tap @ GTOM

This was another one of my 'must try multiples of' beers. But, I only got one, but dude filled mine to the top.

In the sun, it's a brown looking ale with red highlights. Some head, but it's gone in a flash.

Smells like a Christmas fruit cake! Tastes like it too, but I'm getting hints of truffle, caramel and oak as well. It goes down fairly smooth. Makes me long for the holidays and cooler weather.

I had about 3.5oz in my serving and I was sated. Fantastic stuff and would love to spend 90 minutes with a full 12oz one day.

rudylaw, Aug 10, 2009
Photo of spointon
4.58/5  rDev +7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I poured this one from a 12oz brown bottle into a tulip pint glass.

A= This old ale poured a caramel/cola/brown color with a towering fluffy 2.5" tan head. The head took a while to settle, and wound up retaining a 1/4" cap all the way down. Some nice sticky lace clung to my glass as each sip disappeared and the beer sank lower and lower.

S= Wow, this thing threw out some crazy good aromas of rich sweet malt, wood, caramel, raisin, fruity esters, and quite a bit of spicy alcohol.

T= The up front flavors were a heady mix of caramel malt sweetness, treacle, ripe dark fruits (plums, cherries, raisins), and honey. Through the middle a solid oaky dryness and bitter English hops took the edge off most of that sweetness without conquering it completely. The finish was long, rich, and full of warming alcohol. Aftertaste was all oak and alcohol. Superb!

MF= Full bodied and though this had a fairly big carbonation level it never felt too sharp. Nice slick tongue-coating feel.

D= This is an excellent beer deserving of its praise. It reminded me of the first time I ever had an Ayinger Celebrator Dopplebock and how that changed the way I saw that style. While I cannot say I could or would want to session this beer, it was very drinkable for such a huge ABV. Would make a perfect cold weather sipper or nightcap anytime of the year.

spointon, Aug 04, 2009
Photo of alcstradamus
4.55/5  rDev +6.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

2008

Poured this one a little too quickly and overflowed my 16 oz. glass with 4 fingers of head. Caught me off guard since I didn't have that problem a couple weeks ago when I tried it for the first time. Anyway...dark brown in color with a bit of sticky lacing in places. Great retention. Smell is deep dark fruits and earthy hops. If this was magnified a little bit it would be something special, but I suppose subtlety is nice too. The taste is absolutely magnificent. This is called an "old ale" but if I did a blind tasting I would assume it was an English Barleywine. A sharp sting of dark fruits hits you quickly, with some wood characteristics and a complex mash of other goodies underneath. Full bodied and highly drinkable at 11.8%. This is an incredible beer.

12/26 UPDATE 2009 RELEASE: I think my '08 bottle may have been infected because I just poured an '09 and the head was much smaller. Luckily, it didn't taste that way at the time.

I have already noticed that the nose on this '09 is far superior to my original review. This is a huge blast of alcohol heat, raisins, and some citrus notes. The taste is actually more subtle in this edition, but it maintains all of its original complexity and actually may provide for an even more drinkable experience. The body is still full and damn near perfect for an old ale. The alcohol may be a bit too fusel for some people, but I think that this '09 release will age absolutely fantastically for years to come. I have now changed my rating by bumping up the smell and dropping the taste and drinkability a half a point because of the booziness.

alcstradamus, Jul 15, 2009
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 878 ratings.