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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 943
Reviews: 441
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 578
Gots: 219 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Photo of brewdlyhooked13
4.92/5  rDev +15%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Appearance - pours a brownish caramel into a tasting glass, two fingers of beer and three fingers of light tan foam. A mosaic of lace as the head slowly recedes. It never does go away, though, it stays at a solid bubbly cap.

Aroma - caramel and fruit. Cola, figs, brown sugar, Joseph's aspirin. Lots of cool aromas here, a fine palatte of smells.

Taste - big sweet, brown sugared malts. Some fruity notes, figgy and sweet, orange notes at times. A delicious wave of coffee on the swallow, where did that come from? Who cares...the aftertaste has notes of licorice and sneaky abv heat.

Mouthfeel - big and creamy, pretty well carbonated.

Drinkability - awesome stuff. Major props to crazynelson for hooking me up with a bottle of this. Man, this is good. A fine pick for review 1200, thanks Nelson.

Photo of brokenleadedcask
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

2008 vintage

Pouring this into my generic snifter it produced a ton of head. Half the glass filled with an off white, tight bubbled foam. Once the head subsided aromas of raisin, pear and yeast rose to meet me. For a high alcohol beer (over %11) only a slight amount of alcohol can be detected. They also covered the alcohol well in the taste. Flavors of port, more raisin notes, fresh apples and there was a very slight bit of smoke. On the tongue it has a spicy sharp bite on the taste buds and pleasant lingering after taste. This beer is a real treat and presents complex flavors in every sip.

Photo of OneDropSoup
4.45/5  rDev +4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Much love to crazynelson for the trade!

Pours a dark brown, almost black close to the head, with a cola brown/amber "base" (the bottom). Would look stout-like if it weren't for the big bubbles rising to form the head, which is beige & a finger thick. Heavy lacing all around.

Smells like a barley wine -- both alcoholic & sweet, bready, smell some molasses or honey. Taste packs a big, malty sweetness, with those honey & molasses notes intensified. Almost a sticky taste, like maple syrup, but so rich. Some dark fruity flavors, like fig. This profile lists it at 9.5% ABV -- the bottle says 11.8%, a significant difference that comes through here. Though the alcohol is not too-too forward, it provides a warming feel (as opposed to a burning one). The taste is wonderful, I only reign it in slightly because it borders on too much.

The mouthfeel is interesting, as the sugars in the taste lead me to expect a sticky feeling, but it's not actually there. Moderately full -- coats the mouth without being sticky & sugary. This is a bountiful beer, I like it a lot, but not a repeat performer in one session. I'd definitely look for this on a winter evening.

Photo of younger35
3.97/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Received this brew quite some time back. This will be my third brew from Kuhnhenn and so far I'm not overly impressed. Drank from my Ithaca Excelsior tulip. Non dated bottle, which according to my buddy means this is pre 2007.

Appearance- Pours a very dark brownish red with a small half finger white head that recedes quickly. A lily pad cap is left with a very thin collar that leaves zero lacing.
Smell- Very fruity and dark with a strong raisin and fig scent. Some berry tones as well consisting of blackberry's and raspberries. Loads of caramel and brown sugar as well as sherry and candied cherries. Perhaps a touch of vanilla as the beer seems to smell sweeter as it warms.
Taste- Much like the nose it starts exceedingly fruity with booze soaked cherries and figs. The alcohol has a fairly significant bite yet the beer remains amazingly smooth. Loads of toffee, brown sugar, molasses and sherry seem to coat my entire mouth. Some light accents of chocolate and sherbet give way to deep earthy tones of tobacco and leather. A lingering bit of fruit and slight astringency finish the beer.
Mouthfeel- Not overly full or really all that heavy considering how big this brew is. Very lightly carbonated with a slick warming feel.
Drinkability- Well considering I'm not a huge Old Ale fan I did really enjoy this brew. It took me quite awhile to finish this brew but I did enjoy the heck out of it. It was a nice change of pace from my usual choices. Tasty stuff!

Photo of tmoneyba
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Draft at MBG Festival in Ann Arbor.

Poured dark amber with medium head that diminished slowly with good lacing. Full complex sweet aroma. Medium body with a smooth texture and flat carbonation. Complex sweet flavor with a medium to heavy sweet finish that was cut short by the alcohol bite.

Good beer for after dinner cigar.

Photo of FtownThrowDown
3.98/5  rDev -7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours brown in color with some very nice ruby highlights around the edges. Smell is classic old ale. Lots of malts, toffee and just a bit of alcohol rearing it's ugly head to mix it up a bit.
Flavor is huge. Some more huge malts, more toffee and some nice dark fruit to round it out. Again, I keep getting a bit more of the alcohol than I care to notice and it detracts a little from the beer. It's hard to hide the alcohol when it's at close to 12%, but it was a little bit too evident. Very big and smooth on the mouthfeel.
A whole bottle would be a bit much. This is a very nice sipper to sit back and savor and enjoy.

Photo of BelgianAleSlut
4.48/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

2008 vintage, 11.8%. ABV is quite different from other years apparently.

$23.99/6 12 oz. which is a bargain (1/2 off) compared to buying 6 drinks at brewery.

Pours dark toffee colored, semi-cloudy with nice thick head that dissipates slowly.

Smells like a malt soda.

Tastes very sweet, but is complex and comes in layers. The flavors change quite a bit from sip to swallow, and also sip to sip. Caramel, raisins, redpop, and has a little vinous quality. Enough bitterness to put up with all the malt - sweetness doesn't linger which helps to keep from getting sick from the high amount of sugar.

Thick on the tongue, creamy. Carbonation is subtle, however it is in good amount for beer.

Drinkability is good based on the need to only have one or two of these at a time.

Really like this beer, good to buy a six-pack and use one as a weekly reward for putting up with all the sh*t at work. Might be better to let this one age for a couple years.

Photo of GClarkage
4.59/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

03/12/09- Received via trade with former BA member Jetsbeer.

Presentation- 2005 Vintage, bottled in February. Best by 2011. 12oz bottle poured into my Old Stock Ale glass.

Appearance- Deep cherry, mahagoney, burnt caramel color. Slight bubbly head on a fairly hard pour. Spotty and watery-like lace left behind. Not uncommon per style.

Smell- Very pungent and wonderful nose. Burnt and heavy caramel malt, sugary cherry notes, minor alcohol. Smells a bit like alcoholic brownies.

Taste- Thought this was much higher of an abv. Lots of flavor for it's strength. Strong toasted and roasted caramel malted flavor. Minor chocolate notes added with some raisin, date and cherry flavors. Fairly bready and the sweetness isn't too strong.

Mouthfeel- Very smooth and silky. Not really creamy. Mildly thick. Lower carbonation, but sharp at times. Nice dark fruity aftertaste with a light sugary coating.

Drinkability- Finally got around to drinking this after aquiring this in '05. Great and easy drinking Old Ale. Score for Kuhnhenn. Have my bottle of Raspberry Eisbock from '05 or earlier tomorrow night.

Photo of DavoleBomb
4.09/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into a snifter. 2007 Vintage.

3.5 A: Motor oil black. Had trouble forming a head, but the 1/2 finger or so that formed had decent retention and lots of lacing.

4.5 S: Really sweet initially. Very strange combination of aromas that I've never experienced before. Tobacco, raisins, plum, dark cherry, and molasses all poke through. A bit boozy as well. Unique and pleasant.

4.0 T: Pretty much everything in the nose is here again. Alcohol is very apparent and makes this quite boozy overall, though quite good.

4.0 M: Thick, syrupy body and low on carbonation.

4.0 D: I'd drink this again. This is my first old ale, so I'm intrigued to try more.

Photo of david131
4.05/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

2007 Vintage.

A- A deep ruddy brown with some ruby hues. A white head maintains itself with decent retention.

S- Some alcohol, cinnamon, caramel, spiciness. Some oak with some nice agedness. A whole bunch of raisin aroma. Not too shabby.

T- Same as the aroma with the alcohol amazingly well hidden. Maybe a bit warm, but all the flavors come together very well.

M- Not too hot at all. A little sweet and just a bit cloying.

D- For the ABV, this is pretty drinkable. Some age has done this well. I'm impressed.

Photo of BMoney575
3.8/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sampled on 2-21-09
2007 Vintage
Reviewed from notes.

A: Off white head, deep brown, almost purple color.

S: Fruity and boozy, lots of age and oak. Very strong.

T: Quite earthy at first, strong and malty, with dark fruit and raisin flavors. Booze adds a pleasant finish.

M: Nice, about right for the style, a little thin for my tastes.

D: Good, considering the abv. Definitely a sipper.

Photo of mikereaser
4.2/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Old Ale 2007

A - Pours a murky nut brown with no foam, just a ring of small bubbles around the glass

S - brown sugar and a bit of cherry with a bit of a boozy smell

T - very complex flavor, a strong malt background with hints of raisins, coffee, plums and a bit of alcohol

M/D - This is a very complex and flavorful beer, there is so much going on that each sample seems different. Not one for an every day beer, but really nice treat once in a while.

Photo of brewandbbq
4.03/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz bottle, 2007 vintage at 52 degrees.

Pours dark mahogany, almost opaque, but when held to the light a ruby clarity shines through. An inch-plus head of ultra dense froth sank slowly and revealed a rocky skim coat on the surface with plenty of clingy lacework.

Aromatics lead off with rich malt, chipped toffee, dried figs, plump raisins, and scorched caramel. A hint of wet leather follows through along with a dash of cocoa.

On the full side of medium bodied with a cremay, chewy mouthfeel. Carbonation level is right on. Lively enough to keep things from being syrupy.

Plump ripe malt, drizzeled caramel, toffee syrup, and malt-steeped raisins start the palate. A mild vineous note pulls through along with warming alcohol and a hint of sherry.

Finishes with a lingering malt base, a hint of warmth, and toffee-coated raisins.

As far as Kuhnhenn goes, this is one of thier "dryer" offerings. While it has plenty of residuals and a whallop of malt with an extract nod, it remains balanced for an Old Ale. Where it's lacking though is the straight up vineousity thats an integral part of the style.

Photo of tjthresh
4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours brown with some nice reddish hues. There's a ring of dirty white foam around the edge. Bold nose with cherry pits, Werthers candies, Tootsie Rolls, and a bit of chewing tobacco. The flavor is rich with chocolate and chew. If they actually made chewing tobacco that tastes like this, I made pick it up again. Full body with just a bit of carbonation and a sweet finish. Very yummy stuff.

Photo of CrellMoset
4.2/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

UPDATE: 09/07/2009, bottle courtesy of goryshkewych. Thanks to a great BA. 2008 vintage. A few notes:

* This bottle is raging infected, but there's still a lot of good stuff here. I really, really, really wish Kuhnhenn would fix their damn infection issues.

* I'm gonna knock the appearance up to a 4.0, but that's mostly probably based on the fact that the (infected) head on this one has some amazing lift and staying power. However, the lacing is also pretty nice, too, so I assume the head would have been impressive on a regular bottle.

* Still tons of good stuff here - sweet cherries, coffee, toast, caramel, dark toffee, earth, and coconut come through, some more in the aroma, others more strongly in the taste, and though I have a feeling that a certain amount of moderate tartness that is present is imparted by an unwelcome friend, it's still solid.

* My dream is to one day try a complete bottle of this that is not infected. But I'm not holding my breath.

2008 vintage, enjoyed at the Sexual Chocolate release, 2009, Winston Salem, NC. Enjoyed in a sampling glass.

Appearance: A hazed reddish brown with minimal head and only a thin, white collar. Probably about what you'd expect from a brew of this abv% - 11.8%, this vintage. The carbonation is faint, very slow. This brew is approximately the color of the lockers at my law school - that is, way too expensive looking, cherrywood mahogany-esque.

Aroma: Brown sugar and molasses dominate, with cherry notes a close second, and the two blend very well together. It's slightly medicinal, but heavily fruity, heavy-smelling, with notes of pear and apple skin. A few spicy notes as well.

Taste: Very nice. Cherry cough syrup is the first thing me and many others tasting it thought of, but in a good way. There's also pear notes, as well as tons of heavy, well roasted notes, brown sugar, maple syrupy, honey. A few green apple notes mingle pleasantly with some complex spices.

Mouthfeel: Thick, syrupy, heavy, with minimal carbonation resulting in a smooth and even mouthfeel with the slightest prickle.

Drinkability: This is one big bold beer, flavorful and intense. I'd love to try a whole bottle of this one sometime (and so it shall remain on my wants), but I'm very glad to have tried this portion thanks to a very generous fellow beer advocate (perhaps not a BA - we were in mixed website company, after all). A truly tasty and well-made beer, and though I have to knock it down a few points on drinkability due to the ~12% abv (not the 9.5% listed here, though I know Kuhnhenn does change its abv%s constantly), I can't in good faith knock it down too far - it's just too good!

Photo of kels
4.13/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I stopped by Kuhnhenn's on a recent trip to Detroit. There were so many great beers on tap it was hard to choose just one. Frank at the bar said this was his favorite, so I went with it. Here's the review.

Appearance: Pours a deep brown with ruby highlights. The short tan head is retained as a skim and leaves pretty impressive lacing clinging to the tulip glass. Liquid appears viscous.

Smell: The smell is seriously strong of alcohol and syrupy malts. I know I could be easily overwhelmed - it's going to take me a little while to get through this one.

Taste/Mouthfeel: The taste is a mouthful of super-sweet syrupy malts, chewy raisins and prunes and toasty bread. The alcohol is clearly pronounced, and the strength of it seems to grow as the beer warms. The feel is heavy and viscous.

Drinkability: I know Old Ales aren't supposed to be easy to throw back, but this one posed an exceptional challenge for me. I drank it very slowly over the course of an hour and a half (and it was only a 10oz pour!). Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed taking it slow and noticing different things in the beer as it warmed, but it's definitely a good beer to limit to one in a session.

Photo of TexIndy
4.03/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got in a trade with phyl21ca - many thanks! Poured from a 12oz bottle into a snifter. Opened with a very audible pop. It had a crazy label on it. Black and white (from a laser printer maybe) with the worst glue job I've ever seen on a beer. Rippled to hell and back and partly torn. No date on it so can't tell the year. Seems that most years have a date but not this one. Bottling code on bottom of bottle but no way to decipher it. It was a dark, dark russet brown with mahogany highlights. Mostly opaque except the edges which showed bits of yeast. Tiny bit of carb and fast sliding lacing. Had a good sized beige head that slowly settle to a collar with broken foam.

The aroma was very much like barleywine. Dark fruit, lots of alcohol, very sweet malt. The taste was very sweet. Approaching cloying but stopped just shy. Alcohol is very present here as well. The sweet hits right at the front and never fades. Same with the alcohol. Halfway thru and I'm feeling it. Good buzz with warm throat and stomach. This is definitely a sipping beer. A good beer for sharing as well. Wish the sweetness was offset a bit but still very tasty. The mouthfeel is good. Very thick and creamy. It's like you are chewing it instead of drinking it. But the alcohol bite gets old. The drinkability is hurt by the sweetness and the alcohol presence. While the taste itself is excellent, half of the bottle would be plenty for me.

Overall, an excellent beer that I'm glad I finally got to try. Recommend especially if you like barley wines. For me, one is enough unless I can easily get another.

UPDATE: after my review, I found out that the vintage was 2008 so this one is still pretty hot and could use some time to age. Will seek another one and properly age it and re-review.

Photo of maximum12
3.27/5  rDev -23.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Thanks to HopHobo for sending me this brew that I've been on the lookout for. My first experience with this brewery.

2006 vintage & dammit, I like the label! Looks like it was slapped on by a kid who left his coke-bottle glasses at home then accidentally dropped it in a bucket of water. Still cool.

Pour. The aroma is intensely alcoholic, I wanted some tongs to carry it from the kitchen to the computer. What is this beer going to do to me? And on a weeknight, at that? Once you get past the alcohol sting, it's sweet & earthy.

The taste suffers from a mustiness that I'm not grooving on, where the dark fruits turn into fruits that have bit of dust & dirt on them. Otherwise, after reading some of the other reviews, I'm a bit surprised at the lack of depth. I'm not getting much off of this, even not much alcohol, despite the nose.

Not bad, but definitely not the beer I was expecting. I wouldn't seek it out again, but would try a younger version if one every falls into my lap.

Photo of scottoale
4.65/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2008 Vintage, an extra from a most generous trader, hoppymeal. Thanks a million D! The brown 12oz. long-neck pours into my Chimay chalice a deep rootbeer-ruby with great clarity and about a 1/2" of khaki, dense foam. Subtle, yet perfect carbonation for this style.

Sweet and malty, estery fruity nose that unfolds with complexity as it warms. Reminds me of sweet mead and raw honey. Dark ripe fruits as well and some grassy hops in the background.

Very sweet and fruity upfront, tasting alot like honeysuckle nectar, right off the flower. Malty notes of caramel and tropical fruit follow. The alcohol comes into play at this point and adds complexity and turns to the pleasant grassy hop bitter finish, with a touch of warmth. The ABV stated on the label is 11.8%, which keeps this brew to a sipper pace. Overall really sweet, with just enough balance to make the flavors shine...tasty stuff!

Full complex body with dialed carbonation and the flavor of an Old Ale like no other...very unique indeed. Would love to try this with even more age on it and will seek it in the future.

Photo of abfraser
4.34/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to waltonc for letting me try to this one.

A: What's up with cheap home-computer printed label? Anyway, pours dark, dark brown with virtually no head. Not unattractive, not the most attractive

S: This is really complex. Other reviewers mentioned the similarity to an English-style barleywine, which is appropriate. Earthy and fruity. There's a subtle menthol like aroma.

T/M: Exceptional. Was worried the no-head pour would mean no carbonation, but that wasn't the case. The flavor is big and intense, with dark fruit and earthy flavors.

D: A very nice sipper, but you wouldn't want more than a glass.

A very complex and interesting beer. Was very glad to be able to try it. I think this would age particularly well.

Photo of waltonc
4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked this up in a trade thanks to MasterSki.

A: pours dark brown without any head. I was worried this would be flat and syrupy.

M: thankfully that was not the case. Fairly thick, sticky body with low, but present carbonation. I could have used a little more, but this was still very enjoyable.

S/T: this is where Fourth Dementia shines. One of the best smelling beers I've had. Sweet dark fruits and rich maltiness. Not much hops. Taste is more of the same, and I was also getting a little evergreen. Not piney hops-style evergreen, but a pleasant hint of spruce or something. Whatever it was, this is great. Wish it was more accessible.

Photo of bradford
3.73/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle, 2007 version received in a trade from gkatsoris several months ago.
Pours a deep brown with reddish hues, almost opaque but a hint of light squeaks through the tulip glass just under the foam head. Off white foam with slowly dissipating lacing leaves the glass sticky after each sip.
Smells bready and nutty with hints of chocolate and carmel. No discernable hops or presence of alcohol in the nose.
Thick and creamy with a definite alcohol taste with a sweet and sticky finish.
Mouthfeel is very rich and creamy that finishes smooth and warms the mouth and throat.
Very easy drinking and an enjoyable experience.

Photo of Bung
3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

2008 bottling. Quite dark amber pour, zero head arises. Some stickiness to the glass. Smells wonderful. Fragrant aroma of brown sugar, malt and some floral hops. Sweet molasses, caramel/toffee up front. Mellows rather quickly into some red fruits, malt and finishes with just a miniscule hop bitterness. Certainly a beer to contemplate. Only a hint of booziness. Just a little bit thin yet. Well done, but a bit dissappointed considering this is so highly thought of. We'll see how the other 5 of these age, I have a feeling it will improve. Still very well worth trying.

Photo of badbeer
4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Garnet color with a beige head that quickly recedes to a ring around the glass and leaves spotty lacing. Aroma is quite sweet with caramel, toffee, and dark fruit, but there still is a noticeable amount of hops (English variety?). Taste is vinous, has some brown sugar, dark fruits, a hint of spice it seems, and some grassy hops also coming through. Light carbonation and medium to full bodied. An enjoyable beer. Bottle courtesy of hoppymeal.

Photo of roadhouse
4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12 oz. bottle that I received from kryptic (gigantic thanks!) into a snifter. Not sure of the year but it looks quite old with a black and white label.

Appearance is a dark shade of mahogany with a cream colored head that is about one inch thick and with very tight bubbles. Some spotty lacing is left behind.

The aroma is bursting with malty goodness. Full on caramel assauly, very raisiny with lots of candied fruit aromas, and a bit of alcohol in the nose.

The taste is so much better than the nose it blew my mind. It begins with the caramel sweetness that was expected then the dark candied fruit flavors come in for a perfect blend. In the finish there is some chocolate flavors that come out as well making this one even more complex and delicious. There's even a bit of citrus hops coming through in the finish though they have obviously headed south. Easily the best Old Ale I've tried.

Mouthfeel is full and chewy with a mild carbonation that makes it so creamy and soft on the palate it's unbelievable.

Having not liked many Old Ales that much that I've tried, this one really blew me away. I wish I had more of this wonderful beer.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 943 ratings.