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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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924 Ratings
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Ratings: 924
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 568
Gots: 203 | FT: 21
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of abfraser
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to waltonc for letting me try to this one.

A: What's up with cheap home-computer printed label? Anyway, pours dark, dark brown with virtually no head. Not unattractive, not the most attractive

S: This is really complex. Other reviewers mentioned the similarity to an English-style barleywine, which is appropriate. Earthy and fruity. There's a subtle menthol like aroma.

T/M: Exceptional. Was worried the no-head pour would mean no carbonation, but that wasn't the case. The flavor is big and intense, with dark fruit and earthy flavors.

D: A very nice sipper, but you wouldn't want more than a glass.

A very complex and interesting beer. Was very glad to be able to try it. I think this would age particularly well.

Photo of waltonc
4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked this up in a trade thanks to MasterSki.

A: pours dark brown without any head. I was worried this would be flat and syrupy.

M: thankfully that was not the case. Fairly thick, sticky body with low, but present carbonation. I could have used a little more, but this was still very enjoyable.

S/T: this is where Fourth Dementia shines. One of the best smelling beers I've had. Sweet dark fruits and rich maltiness. Not much hops. Taste is more of the same, and I was also getting a little evergreen. Not piney hops-style evergreen, but a pleasant hint of spruce or something. Whatever it was, this is great. Wish it was more accessible.

Photo of bradford
3.73/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle, 2007 version received in a trade from gkatsoris several months ago.
Pours a deep brown with reddish hues, almost opaque but a hint of light squeaks through the tulip glass just under the foam head. Off white foam with slowly dissipating lacing leaves the glass sticky after each sip.
Smells bready and nutty with hints of chocolate and carmel. No discernable hops or presence of alcohol in the nose.
Thick and creamy with a definite alcohol taste with a sweet and sticky finish.
Mouthfeel is very rich and creamy that finishes smooth and warms the mouth and throat.
Very easy drinking and an enjoyable experience.

Photo of Bung
3.85/5  rDev -10%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

2008 bottling. Quite dark amber pour, zero head arises. Some stickiness to the glass. Smells wonderful. Fragrant aroma of brown sugar, malt and some floral hops. Sweet molasses, caramel/toffee up front. Mellows rather quickly into some red fruits, malt and finishes with just a miniscule hop bitterness. Certainly a beer to contemplate. Only a hint of booziness. Just a little bit thin yet. Well done, but a bit dissappointed considering this is so highly thought of. We'll see how the other 5 of these age, I have a feeling it will improve. Still very well worth trying.

Photo of badbeer
4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Garnet color with a beige head that quickly recedes to a ring around the glass and leaves spotty lacing. Aroma is quite sweet with caramel, toffee, and dark fruit, but there still is a noticeable amount of hops (English variety?). Taste is vinous, has some brown sugar, dark fruits, a hint of spice it seems, and some grassy hops also coming through. Light carbonation and medium to full bodied. An enjoyable beer. Bottle courtesy of hoppymeal.

Photo of roadhouse
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12 oz. bottle that I received from kryptic (gigantic thanks!) into a snifter. Not sure of the year but it looks quite old with a black and white label.

Appearance is a dark shade of mahogany with a cream colored head that is about one inch thick and with very tight bubbles. Some spotty lacing is left behind.

The aroma is bursting with malty goodness. Full on caramel assauly, very raisiny with lots of candied fruit aromas, and a bit of alcohol in the nose.

The taste is so much better than the nose it blew my mind. It begins with the caramel sweetness that was expected then the dark candied fruit flavors come in for a perfect blend. In the finish there is some chocolate flavors that come out as well making this one even more complex and delicious. There's even a bit of citrus hops coming through in the finish though they have obviously headed south. Easily the best Old Ale I've tried.

Mouthfeel is full and chewy with a mild carbonation that makes it so creamy and soft on the palate it's unbelievable.

Having not liked many Old Ales that much that I've tried, this one really blew me away. I wish I had more of this wonderful beer.

Photo of barefootbrewer
4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This beer poured a clear brown color with a thin tan head that stuck around for the entire tasting. The aroma was big of malt and caramel - very inviting. The taste was also MALT! It was complex with notes of deep plumb, caramel and brown sugar. The mouthfeel was full and lush. This is a heavy brew. A delicious sipper that I'd love to try again.

Photo of JohnGalt1
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2007 vintage received a while back from DLucky.... I tried a bottle my bro brought over a couple of months back and it piqued my interest.. so... tonight is the night. Poured into my New Belgium snifter.

Aggressive pour lends only a short lived 3/4" head with a nice cap.. the brew is a beautiful deep brown with bright crimson highlites when held to a light... very pretty and a unique looking brew... nice lace as the liquid slowly drops.

Aroma is very complex... reminds me of an English BW and an older Tawny port.. fruity and leathery with a mild spicy hop background... raisins and lite figs ...

The flavor is huge and comes in waves... very thick malty presence ... with abundant dried fruit .... figs.. lite prune.. fairly sweet.. dry cigar wrapper.. again is reminiscent of an aged English BW... but very aged.. spicy and peppery.... a little bit of ETOH heat.. but actually adds to the overall presentation.. the body is thick and coating.. maybe a little sweet for my palate.. but I honestly think it should probably be cellared for a while longer.. maybe years... what do I know? The carbonation is alot more lively than expected... pouring this one, I did not expect as much.

This brew is a sleeper.. because the finish is sooo long... I am really liking it... now I just need to find a good connection for Kuhnhenn.

Thanks Dan for the fantastic trade.

Photo of PatronWizard
3.2/5  rDev -25.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Killer extra from Egledhill. Contents are suspicious though. Label is a little faded and looks as though it could have come from a laser printer. Plus there is a home wax job on the cap. I wouldn't put it past that cheap-shot taking sonofabitch to send me a repack. I can't pass on the opportunity to try this, so here goes.

Nice little psss when I popped the cap, so if it is a repack, it's a nice job. Appears to be a deep shade of blood. Dark with slight ruby highlights. Small off-white head quickly settles to a thin film. Nice off-white head of bigger proportions results from the second pour. Quickly settles to a thin film again.

I smell some caramel and maybe dark cherries. Some kind of a darker type fruit that I'm not familiar with also. Smells pretty decent.

Tastes completely different. It's cold but it tastes warm. Big taste of what I want to call pomegranite. Unique bitterness at the end. Again I claim pomegranite although it may be something similar. Is there any thing similar to pomegranite?

How should I put this? I don't like it about sums it up.

Really happy to try it, but I won't be needing another. Gee Erik, thanks PAL. With friends like you, who needs enemas?

Overall: one timer

Photo of pwoods
4.6/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Bottle clearly states 11.8% ABV

Second Review:
Thanks to Kels for picking me up a bottle of this while you were in Detroit to watch a big time wrestling pay per view.... >.>

This bottle was much better than the first that I had. Carbonation was much stronger and helped tie the flavors together. This also majorly helped the feel which made it much thicker and completely smooth. A large head formed and help for quite a bit and helped the aroma flood my nose. This beer could definitely be dangerous if you're not careful as it stupidly easy to drink.

First Review:
Thanks to Hoppymeal for this great trade.

12oz. brown bottle poured into a snifter.

A: Pours a very deep mahogany with nearly no visibility. Very little carbonation even after a rough pour. Basically no head or lacing.

S: Dark, sugary fruits soaked in alcohol. Raisins and cooked cherry's. Sweet malts, deeply cooked sugar and honey. Alcohol is very present but not stinging or abrassive, nicely mellowed.

T/M: Some weak signs of oxidation. Super sweet caramel malts with more of the thick honey. Dark plump raisins and cooked cherry's and plums. The carbonation is basically not there which is a little disappointing.

D: Great sipper and drinks relatively easy for an Old Ale.

Photo of prototypic
4.22/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Many, many thanks to hoppymeal for this one.

Vintage 2007

Appearance: It pours a really nice looking dark brown color. It's very clear and has some strong ruby highlights. The head is a really light mocha color that stood about two fingers tall. It stuck around for a few, but not too long. A nice web of lace stuck to the glass.

Smell: Dark fruit aromas kick it off. It's a nice mix of raisin and plum. There's a touch of berry fruits that round out the fruit aromas. There's an interesting leather-like aroma to it. A very light whiff of hops emerges, but it's not very strong. Perhaps that's faded a bit with time. Alcohol is noted. My bottle doesn't list the abv, so I can't confirm that it's 9.5%. It certainly smells like it. It's a nice smelling beer that's lacking just a little in strength.

Taste: The flavor profile is much better simply because of the delivery. It really has a lot of depth and character. It is very dark fruit-intensive. Raisin, plum, and a little prune are all recognizeable. There's some berry flavors and cherry that are more subdued, but add quite a bit of flavor. There's an earthy side to it that features a nice tobacco flavor. There's a light hop flavor to it that's nice. But it's obviously faded a little. This really reminds me of a nicely aged Barleywine. Alcohol is noted, but it's masked well. It finishes sweet and ever so slightly bitter.

Mouthfeel/Drinkability: It's medium bodied and has a pretty smooth feel. Carbonation is relatively low, which helps. I can't help but think a little more thickness would drive this to the next level in terms of feel. Drinkability is good. But, I suspect the abv is indeed somewhere in the 9%-10% neighborhood. It's a nice sipping beer. One 12 oz. is enough for me.

Fourth Dementia's a nice beer. I'd like to try one fresh just to see how it compares. Frankly, the nose could use a little more strength and thickening it up would improve it to some degree. But, it's a very good beer as it is. I'm certainly grateful for the opportunity to try it. Thanks, Derek.

Photo of hopdog
4.2/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle. Bottle labeled bottled on 08-01-04 and best before 2010.

Poured a deeper and murky brown color with a small sized off white head. Aromas of caramel, toffee, dark cherries, raisins, and light chocolate. Tastes of toffee, cherries, plums, citrus, caramel, and some brown sugar. Light to medium alcohol in the finish.

Notes from 12/24/06

Photo of joe1510
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz Bottle

2007 Bottling

A big thanks goes out to hoppymeal for this brew among many others, thanks Derek! There's nothing like an old ale to celebrate the first snow of the season. Fourth Dementia's body is the darkest of reds, that red that borders on black and is deep mahogany when a little light gets to it. I can't see any carbonation through the glass when backlit, the beer looks perfectly still. I had to pour hard to get a head but when it finally started forming it was well worth it. Two fingers of beige creaminess sit atop the body and slowly falls to a thick cap leaving insanely sticky lacing all over the glass. The head sticks around forever and makes for a great looking brew.

The nose is loaded with malty goodness. Deeply toasted grains and brown sugar lay down the big malty base. Coca-Cola, Bing cherries, blackberries, and golden raisins all take place in the aroma in that order exactly. Faint whiffs of vanilla and lightly toasted wood pop up here and there. Alcohol comes through with some spiciness. The nose on this old ale is deeply complex and needs time to open up to get all the perks.

Damn! The flavor is just as malty intense as the nose led on. Caramel, brown sugar, and toasted grains all come through in a big way. That sticky sweetness segues directly into the Coca-cola, cherry and blackberry middle. The finish is somewhat peppery and boozy warm which adds more depth and character. The moderate alcohol heat never gets in the way of this brew and it just wouldn't feel right if there were any less heat.

The mouthfeel is right where it should be. Each drink coats the tongue and cheeks with a sticky sweetness that never becomes cloying but in fact disappears not long after the swallow. The carbonation is a little livelier than I expected, which isn't saying much with the still look on the pour.

This beer is big and complex so it's a sipper without a doubt but it goes down especially easy. I take drink after drink trying to pull out all the intricacies of this beer until I realize it's almost gone.

My first sampling of Fourth Dementia was the bourbon barrel aged version, it was fantastic and this one isn't far behind. One of the best of the style I have sampled to date. Thanks for the bottle Derek!

Photo of SaucyA
3.93/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

2007. Cellar temp.

A - Poured into a Kuhnhenn tulip. Deep, dark brown with a lovely 1 finger, light tan head. Lots of bubbles ride the glass. Fantastic frothy lace. Noticeable carbonation dies down quickly, yet head never fades.

S - So nice... and very Kuhnhenn. There are a few smells that come to be commonplace in their big brews. Deep malt base, coupled with fruity esters. Raisins, molasses, alcohol.

T - Super roasty malts, big alcohol finish, noticeable hop bittering as well as bitter roasted malts. Slight coffee affects, as well as molasses. Melted bittersweet chocolate. Sweet, slightly sour, slightly bitter... will knock your tastebuds around.

M - I wouldn't mind if it were thicker. The carbonation and creaminess are on point, just seems like it could use a little more viscosity.

D - One and done. I love Fourth Dementia, but having more than one glass is asking for it.

Notes: This is a fine brew, but Ola Dubh 16 and Adam are both a little better from the bottle. Fourth Dementia is a bit better on tap.

Photo of srandycarter
4.18/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Pours dark murky brown. Not much head. Lacing thin and sudsy.

S - Cooked fruit, booze and molasses.

T - Follows smell somewhat. Prunes, brown sugar, molasses, chocolate.

M - Very coating, good carb, medium to heavy feel. Nice balance for such a sweet beer.

D - For the style, very drinkable.

Photo of SPLITGRIN
4.53/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

An inch and a half of stryfoam like fuzzy deep tan head has excellent retention. Body is a super dark, almost black brown in color. Huge notes of bourbon, molasses, vanilla and hot buttered toffee like malt are very attractive on the nose. Enters the mouth with some initially soured dark fruit but that quickly yeilds to a rich carmalized maltieness. You get some biscuity notes along with phelonic notes including vanilla, toffee, and crisp candied peanut butter. Dark berries are met with some hop based bitter at the end of the palate. Mouthfeel is of dark fruit and a nice bitter feel. It is a joy to drink this big sipper of a brew.

Photo of jmscott
4.15/5  rDev -3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Much thanks to bakerslp for this one. 12oz bottle, had a low fill - bottom of the neck. Poured into a pint glass.

A: Pours a thick, dark reddish/brown, slight lacing, decent legs

S: Very sweet, molasses, strong alcohol

T: Much like the smell, complexity of sugars with molasses and prunes, a little tartiness, definitely taste the 11%

M: It tickles your bitter senses, leaves a sweet coating on the entire palate. Behind all the sugars theres a really smooth finish, especially noticed towards the bottom of the glass as the beer warms up.

D: Very nice, but the intensity of the sugars & alcohol make each sip a lot to handle

Photo of kkipple
3.68/5  rDev -14%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

My buddy snagged a bottle of this at DLD 2008 and was kind enough to break it out near the end of a recent tasting. From notes:

A. Dingy, not quite clear brown. Soupy. Lingering 2cm tan head. Not much active carbonation.

S. Hmm, classic Kuhnhenn over-the-top nose. Lucious and sweet with loads of sugar from all different colors. Pine-like and bitter from a large amounts of hops that haven't died out yet. Some chocolate and plums are lurking in there too... oh yeah, and a distinct boozy, barleywine like aroma. Complex, but a little hot and doesn't come together *quite* as well as it could.

T. How unusual... this is very aggressive and flavorful. Bitter hops, sweet syrupy caramel and some nearly sour, tart fruit (or fermentation character) all are on stage here. Surprisingly hoppy and bold for an old ale, perhaps this is a young bottle? A little oxidized and sherry like too. Cherries are hidden under the pile of other flavors, oddly. Overall it's brash and eye opening. Sweetness is a bit over the top (like a lot of Kuhnhenn's brews), but ok for the style. This is good, but young and rough.

M. Warm, boozy, sticky and generally dense. Finishes bittersweet and sugary / hoppy.

D. Not so great. Too much going on that doesn't mesh well. Fourth Dementia is likely a decent sipper for a cold night, but I also bet it improves greatly with a couple years.

Photo of khiasmus
4.03/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

pours a clear mahogany with a surprising amount of head and excellent retention.

dates, sherry, raisins, plums, metal, cane sugar, hop notes and a bit of alcohol.

much the same as the nose up front, with all the same characteristics, but it finishes with lots of hop flavor and finally with tons of bitterness.

carbonation is surprisingly high for the style, and body is medium and smooth. finish is quite astringent.

not overly drinkable, simply because of the intensity of the flavor. highly recommended though.

Photo of ncvbc
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Reddish with brown and amber in color, somewhat murky with a tan head that slowly settles to a ring. Smell is rich of malt. Caramel and toffee. Brown sugar. Some spice, a touch of toasted coconut. Taste is deep and rich. Very nice. Mild hoppiness is present. Spice is more apparent. Lots of caramel and toffee. Raisin and fig, dark fruits, slightly tart at times. Some doughy toasted bread. Even hints of oatmeal in the finish it seems. Big, close to full mouthfeel, though silky smooth going down. Could definitely see myself enjoying a couple of these with ease. A hearty brew though, so not much more than that. Quite enjoyable.

Cheers to grub, DrJay, and hoppymeal for the chance to try these on three occasions.

Photo of Atron67
4.2/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Alright in not one to review from but this was one of the first beers i had. it came a copper red with a solid head of tan color that stuck around with solid retention. extremely malty and very thick but not overwhelming for the consumer who understands what they are getting into. thick creamy very full bodied, had a very strong lingering character on the tongue, and an extreme maltiness. as stated above, very thick and creamy, slight fruit notes to it. heavy actually pretty smooth and very tasty.

Photo of TheBlackMallard
4.25/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

07 Winter Solstice Batch 13.5%

Poured into my giant snifter. Dark Brown with a tan head that fades leaving behind some lacing.

Smell: Carmel, Rasins, Plums, Alcohol, and Toffee.

Taste: Earthy Hops, Brown Sugar, Dark Fruits, Followed by Bitterness and a Warming Alcohol finish. Syrupy and Heavy.

Photo of mynie
4.08/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Aged a year and a half in my fine beer cellar (the closet in my office). Bottle sez it's best before 2011 and seeing as we're not even halfway through 2008 I figure I'm golden.

Sort of a gluppy, undercarbonated pour. I was worried for a second that it had gone flat but then I saw bubbles springing up from the bottom and heaved a sigh of relief. Looks like soda poured from a 2-liter that had been sitting in the fridge too long.

Smells pretty dang nice, though. The malt is intensely syrupy sour, tons of very rich and overripe fruits. Like a good, traditional old ale, this smells... well, old.

Tastes of stingy malted fruit and zippy yeasty alcohol. No hops to speak up, which I guess aren't standard for the style but the folks at Ft. Collins use them in their old ale so I guess they're not banned. The complexity is intense, nearly overwhelming, and while its overall quite nice there are a few off nodes. The syrupiness is a bit much, and the zingy sour nodes really could have used something--not hops, even, but some spice on the yeast--to cut into them.

The body is surprisingly firm, though, and while this is a sipper it still goes down like gold. Overall a very fine beer, but maybe not quite what I was hoping it would be.

Photo of tpd975
4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Many thanks to Joey R for this one. I had had it on draft now I get to sample it in the bottle.

A: Nice bright brownish black hue with a little head. Spotty lace was noted.

S: The aroma is of wonderful deep dark fruits like plums and raisins. There is a bready malty backbone that makes its self known. Tinges of booze soaked dark cherries and a dash of chocolate.

T: Very nice. Who knew you could pack something so boozy, hoppy, roasty, dark fruity, and damn good in a bottle.

M: Very thick with ample carbonation and a blast of booze.

D: Sip slowly my friend, cause this one will dump a whole can of whoop ass on you if not.

Photo of bbothen
4.05/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle poured into a snifter.

Thanks to Sarcastro for the trade on this one.

A - Dark ominous murky chocolate brown with barely any head, just a tiny bit around the glass. Looks yummy & potent. Can't wait.

S - Smells of sweet caramel & toffee. Dried fruit and raisin. And sweet sweet booze. Wow, I cant wait to taste this.

T - Sweet caramel & fruitiness in the front with a warm/dry alcohol finish. There's some nutiness or wood in there as well. Very complex.

M - Very smooth & full bodied. A joy.

D - This is a sipper. Drinks every bit like a 9.5%er.

I really enjoyed this and will gladly have more. In fact I'll be seeking this one out again. This is a cold evening warmer.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 924 ratings.