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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Reviews: 447
Hads: 1,007
Avg: 4.26
pDev: 13.62%
Wants: 603
Gots: 216 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Reviews: 447 | Hads: 1,007
Photo of atsprings
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On-tap at Tyler's In Durham, funny, this makes 4 out of 5 reviews of this beer now that state that! Served in a Kuhnhenn tulip a nice deep ruby brown with a decent head that diminished to a ring and left a slight amount of lacing. The aroma was dominated by burnt caramel. The taste was a wonderfully complex blend of dried fruits, burnt caramel, molasses and loads of barley. The beer is very heavy, but gets much smoother as it warms, more taste comes out as well, this one is certainly a sipper. This was an extremely wonderful beer, but it's certainly a sipper. I'm just hoping we see bottles of it here in NC.

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Photo of bozebus17
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 3.5

Had on-tap at the brewery.

Pours a very dark brown, almost black. There is an impressive tan head that doesn't last real long. I'm sure this is due to the high ABV. The lacing on the goblet is immense.

Smells very sweet; There are hints of caramel, toffee, and smokey notes. My mouth started watering at first sniff.

Tastes very very sweet. Roasted flavors are everywhere. There is a bittersweet finish. This beer is very creamy and heavy, almost a barley stew.

This is a great beer. It is the kind of beer that warms the heart and soul. I love it!

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Photo of wagenvolks
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I absolutely love this beer. Many thanks to Deniz (JDV) for hooking me up with a killer freebie!

My pour slowly fills the Corsendonk tulip with an opaque, mahogany-plum body, while a thick, fluffy cap of manila foam slowly recedes, clinging to the edges of the glass. Exceptional aroma on this Old Ale, as melted butterscotch and caramel candies balance with a kiss of dusty chocolate and a ton of dark fruit. I'm literally having to swat away the fruit flies from this beer, as notes of raisin, honeydew, and plum repeatedly draw them (and my nose) to the glass.

Man, this stuff is good. Starts off with a thick sweetness of dark raspberry and toffee, before quickly giving way to earthy chocolate nibs and a touch of oxidation. The 9.5% ABV is hidden very well, as a kiss of raisin rum lingers on the finish with some musty hops. Creamy, velvety-smooth mouthfeel to the thick body, and the carbonation level is spot-on. I hope old age is like this Old Ale...that way, I'd look forward to getting 4th Dementia!

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Photo of CaptCleveland
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle from 2011, poured into snifter.

Ruby-black, nearly opaque, elixir, thin tan rim, no lacing.

Incredible aroma of toffee, caramel, dark fruits, hint of malt sweetness.

Starts with fig, prune, dark fruits, some sweet caramel at the back end, then a nice smooth sugar, plum aftertaste. Delightful.

Thick, full body, but smooth with the feel of a nicely aged dark fruit shake.

One of the best non-BA old ales I have had the pleasure to consume. A wonderful sipper on nice fall evening. Well done.

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Photo of Beertracker
4.51/5  rDev +5.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Kuhnhenn's Fourth Dementia (Olde Ale 2008)[11.8%] pours up with an excessive amount of carbonation that foams upon release of the crown creating a volumous craggy beigish-cream colored head that envelopes the glass above the murky chestnut brown body. The head retention is rather pour, but expected given the alcohol%. The aroma is extremely complex with layer upon layers of meloidins & maltiness with secondary notes of apple butter, caramel flan, maple syrup, treacle pudding & vanilla custard that changes with each whiff. Alcohol is noted, but certainly well integrated. Hint of oxidation is beginning to creep in. The flavor is extremely generous with a sweet, but not overly cloying caramel richness supported by a wonderfully inviting toastiness e.g. buttered pecan/pralines with some chocolate notes and hoards of maple goodness e.g. maple cream cookies that gives way to just a bit of earthen bitterness offering a bittersweet candy finish that warms the soul with its surreptitious alcoholic strength. This full bodied old ale is overly effervescent per style, quite chewy & lacks some finesse, but don't let that stop you from partaking in this wonderful elixir. KbC's 4D is truly American in origin, but carries a unique old world charm. Enjoy the Madness!

CHEERS! Beertracker

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Photo of gnemesis
4.5/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle poured into snifter on 4/11. The body is a dark brown with almost ruby highlights. Topped with a dirty white/tan head. Good retention and slight lacing. The nose on this monster is amazing! Caramel, dark fruit, vanilla, and a touch of honey sweetness. Once it hits my lips I'm in love... the alcohol is well hidden and the caramel, dark fruit, and vanilla notes shine. I detect some slight earthiness that plays with the sweetness perfectly. Medium body and low carbonation. Overall this beer is great! My favorite old ale to date- I will find more to age.

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Photo of flexabull
4.5/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2009 Bottle courtesy of klikger, thanks again!

Pours a deep dark brown color with a nice off white head.

Aromas are of dark ripe fruits, hints of cocoa, and brown sugars. Smells nice.

Taste is quite nice, this beer is a powerhouse of flavors. Nice dark fruit flavors, bitter bakers chocolate, and creamy sweet. Finish ties it all together with warm booziness.

Mouthfeel is pretty good, a little prickly though, feels a little bit off. (this is a slight nit pick...)

Drinkability is up there. This is a superb old ale with wonderful flavors, thoroughly enjoyable, and one that would be great to set aside for a few years.

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Photo of notchucknorris
4.5/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2012 Bottle

A: Pours a sludgy, deep brown color with a huge (for the ABV) two finger tan head that shows great retention.

S: I'm getting a lot of the smells that I'm used to in an Old Ale (thick brown sugar, date, prune, rye bread and honey notes), but everything seems really tightly pulled together in this one, which is really hard to find. Everything in here seems a touch more toned down, but works together really well.

T: I mean, I'm not gonna lie, this is not a style I typically enjoy. But wow this is good. A huge note of brandy and honey soaked raisins right away, followed by some burnt brownie, dark chocolate covered raisin, a little bit of tobacco and some rye bread. Finishes sweet and malty with a slight dryness from the alcohol. Mouthfeel is near perfect. Slick but well carbed, which hides the alcohol ridiculously well. Top notch.

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Photo of jayhawk73
4.5/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Chaney- Thanks Brandon!

Review from notes:

Pours a dark amber color w/ a nice sliver of a cocoa head. No carbonation or lacing. Smell is bourbon, caramel, toffee, some alcohol. Taste is the same profile as the nose w/ a toasted marshmallow flavor as well. Awesome. Great feel- smooth, goes down easy. Overall, this is an incredible brew, and I'm glad I got to try it.

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Photo of taylorhamrick
4.49/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Recieved in a trade from hotpipes29.

It's a deep brown color, slightly hazy, with a decent 1 cm head, tannish colored, surprising for a 2-year old beer, I'd say. The smell is really nice. Comes off with a caramel/toffee sweetness from the malts. Really caramellized nicely in there. With notes of chocolate and cocoa. There are also some notes of tobacco, and a slight mustiness (maybe it's my imagination on this last one). Really fascinating, and very deeply complex. The taste just really fascinates you from the first, particularly if you like some malt. It just comes out with caramel, like caramel coated, herby, grass/straw, cola flavored grain, great maltiness here - very complex, but really sort of comes outright and tells you it's here. I get a nice flavor of chocolate, a little roastiness, which blends with a slight alcohol burn. The little bit of age has done wonders, and I can tell it will hold up for longer. The body has a huge thickness, sticky and sweet, but the carbonation peeks through with a strong enough presence to keep it from being cloying. This is really a great display of malt, and I found myself continually drinking it, almost too much, so I couldn't wait on it to warm enough to see the differences in flavor. Will keep you interested, I'd say. A great beer.

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Photo of Floydster
4.49/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 ounce bottle acquired in a trade with Faro, thanks for giving me the opportunity to try this brew, bottled on 2-16-05, best before date of 2011, has been in my cellar since October, poured into my Dogfish Head snifter

A-Ruby red color with some light brown highlights, 1/8 inch bubbly light tan head that went away immediately, no retention or lacing

S-Caramel, sweeet malt, booze, plums, figs, raisins, dates, still a hint of hoppiness after three years, oak, vanilla, brandy, oak, and sugar

T-Started off with a big caramel flavor, followed by some dark fruits and very sweet malt, the finish was warming with a hint of brandy and oak, as it warmed the sweetness popped out even more and the vanilla shined through with some booze in the aftertaste, probably more balanced with more hoppiness when fresh, but they recommend at least four months to six years of age for this brew, great flavor overall

M-Hot, sweet, and aggressive mouthfeel, thin to medium body, not much carbonation at all, taste lingered for a long time, attacked the taste buds

D-Could have drank more than one bottle of this, alcohol is hidden great for a beer above nine percent, smooth and easy to drink, not too heavy on the stomach

Second beer from Kuhnhenn and it was great like the first one, would love to try the bourbon barrel version of this, one of the better olde ales I have ever had, would love to drink again, highly recommended

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Photo of trxxpaxxs
4.49/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Big thanks to northyorksammy for this bottle...

A: Pours a deep brown with only a faint khaki colored head. The foam fades quickly leaving only the tiniest of bubble rings along the edges of the glass. The beer has great legs and no lacing.

S: The nose is caramel, malt, raisin, plum, mild spice, and alcohol. It smells perfect for the style. I'm looking forward to this.

T: Right off the bat I get caramel, raisins, and cinnamon. As it moves to the middle, the alcohol begin to show as is mixes with stone fruits and nutmeg. There is a lot more spice in this beer than I would have imagined. The finish is mild spice, caramel, raisin, vanilla, and alcohol.

M: Full bodied beer. It syrupy and sticky from start to finish. The beer coats the palate and refuses to shift off. Totally cloying and sweet, with great residual flavors.

O: Great beer. I actually think I enjoyed this one more than the barrel aged versions. The caramel fruit and spice are more pronounced in this beer, where some of the subtleties get lost in the Barrel Aged version. Really nice. Would drink again/10.

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Photo of BelgianAleSlut
4.48/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

2008 vintage, 11.8%. ABV is quite different from other years apparently.

$23.99/6 12 oz. which is a bargain (1/2 off) compared to buying 6 drinks at brewery.

Pours dark toffee colored, semi-cloudy with nice thick head that dissipates slowly.

Smells like a malt soda.

Tastes very sweet, but is complex and comes in layers. The flavors change quite a bit from sip to swallow, and also sip to sip. Caramel, raisins, redpop, and has a little vinous quality. Enough bitterness to put up with all the malt - sweetness doesn't linger which helps to keep from getting sick from the high amount of sugar.

Thick on the tongue, creamy. Carbonation is subtle, however it is in good amount for beer.

Drinkability is good based on the need to only have one or two of these at a time.

Really like this beer, good to buy a six-pack and use one as a weekly reward for putting up with all the sh*t at work. Might be better to let this one age for a couple years.

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Photo of OldFrothingSlosh
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. bottle courtesy of Frozensoul327. Brewed on 08-01-04. Best before 2010.

Color is a chunky-murky deep brown with amber notes. Despite the aggressive pour, there's little, if any, head to speak of. Just a tiny ring of tan froth 'round the edges. Aromas step up with a wonderfully-balanced blend of dark fruit, candied sugar, some extract of vanilla, and some oaken notes. Flavor is so very mellow. Delicate pattern of the dark druits again, drizzled with melted caramel sugar. Some vinous notes seep in towards the middle and are cleansed away by the bitterness mingled with brown sugar sweetness mixed with Heath bar chunks. Where is the alcohol in this bad boy? Only glimpses can be detected. Extremely smooth on the palate. The low levels of carbonation really "thicken" this up. One to definitely savor on this cold winter's night.

Extreme thanks to Frozensoul327 for this true gem.

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Photo of dogfishandi
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2010 Vintage

12oz bottle at fridge temp poured into a snifter split with fellow BA's. had this side by side with the 2010 BA 4D.

they both poured out with pretty much no head. poured out a slightly murky dark brown, the BA version was a little darker. pretty much no head, just a slight ring on the edges.

a very interesting aroma. a grapey kind of winey fruitiness. maybe some dates, figs. a graininess reminded me of some darker breads. also reminded me a lot of frozen apple juice from concentrate.

again lots of fruitiness, mostly the concentrate apple juice. also has a briney almost seaweed sensation, makes for a very interesting flavor. some dark fruits and just a hint of smokey meat.

smooth, a big body, but it hides the big ABV nicely. leaves a bit of stickiness on the palate.

a very interesting beer, not really like anything ive had before. i would definatly seek this out again, would love a few of these for the cellar. having the 2 side by side, i definatly enjoyed this one, the non barrel aged version, better. the BA one was just a bit too hot and kinda of muddled the awesome flavors in the regular one.

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Photo of jimmy82063
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2011 version at a whopping 13.5% poured into a brandy snifter. The appearance is murky brown, no head at all. The smell is of rasins butter rum and toffee. The taste combines the same with just a hint of oak. The mouthfeel is slick. Great beer...cellar worthy for sure!

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Photo of SpdKilz
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Another big thanks to Erik (erikkoppin) for this kickin extra. Cheers! 2010 bottling.

Appearance – Pours into my LadyFace Tulip with a hazelnut brown color. About a half finger of slight tan head is achieved that dissipates relatively fast leaving pretty nice lacing on the sides of the glass.

Smell – Lots of toffee and caramel up front. Dark fruits emerge as the beer slowly warms giving off aromas such as plum and raisins. Slight wood, alcohol, and also brown sugar.

Taste – Holy cow. LOTS of candied sugar, toffee, caramel, and brown sugar. The more it warms the more it reminds me (and I’ve said this about another beer before which has slipped my mind) but it reminds me of the butterscotch candies my grandmother used to give me as a child. After the initial sugary blast the dark fruits come through…exactly as the nose; plum and raisin. Just an ever so slight hint of hop and bread come through at the end, along with citrus, though the end note is again sugary sweetness.

Mouthfeel – Whoo boy. Full bodied, thick, creamy, lower carbonation. Damn chewy (one of the thickest mouthfeels I’ve had to date). Practically syrupy though it seems to work as I slowly sip on this.

Overall – For being so “young” of a beer, I get literally almost no alcohol warmth nor taste. Amazing seeing as it is over 13% abv. A spectacular beer to sip and enjoy, and by golly I can’t wait to try the BB version of this. Very glad I was able to try this before the BB version. Glad I have another one of these to age.

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Photo of brewdan
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2008 vintage bottle.

Pours brown with a lively oatmeal-colored head.

Smells of malty dark fruits, figs, raisins, dates and vanilla.

Taste is very sweet. Banana bread, raisins, figs, etc. Also vanilla, caramel, and toffee. Rich and decadent.

Mouthfeel is really nice; thick and rich but a decent amount of fine carbonation makes for a creamy smooth mouthfeel.

A sipper for sure due to the high ABV and rich sweet flavors. The perfect beer for a fall day in MI.

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Photo of Brian700
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. bottle from trbeer
11% ABV

Pours a dark garnet color with a tan head that settles down to a thin layer. Some lacing but not a bunch.

The aroma is great. Heavy molasses and dark fruit ( figs, raisins)

The flavor is also of heavy molasses, figs, dates, raisins. Must be maris otter malt because of the striking resemblance to Thomas Hardy. There is some alcohol presence giving it a warming sensation. This is a top notch beer.

The mouthfeel is full bodied with medium carbonation. Coats the mouth nicely and the flavor last long after the swallow.

This is a very drinkable beer and I MUST get my hands on some more. I highly recommend it.

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Photo of sholland119
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A-Pours a clear very dark amber. Thin tan rings around the glass, no lacing.

S-Currants, brown sugar, raisins and a bit of whiskey. Delicious.

T-Raisins, plums, hints of a red wine barrel, brown sugar and warming alcohol. Really tasty.

M-Remarkably light for the style and ABV. A bit of booze lingers on but otherwise very light to drink.

D-Excellent. I would love to have another one to drink...tomorrow.


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Photo of vonnegut21
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2011 vintage poured into a tulip.

A: Deep black pour, slight tan head. Minimal lacing.

S: Lots of fig and raisin. Caramel and brown sugar notes linger. Lots of dark winter fruit character. Very nice.

T: HUGE fig, raisin and plum presence on the first sip. Caramelized brown sugar, molasses and slight roasted chocolate flavors follow. This has almost a port wine character to it. Very warming. A big ol' fig bomb. I need one of these on a cold winter night. Delightful.

M: Thick and viscous. Coats the tongue and provide a nice touch of warmth.

O: This was just excellent. I'm sure it's great fresh as well, but I think the two years in the cellar really took this one up a level. Quite possibly my favorite old ale. I can't wait to crack the BB4D sitting in my fridge. I don't think that one is making it until cold weather returns...

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Photo of MeisterBurger
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a deep, brownish black topped by a thin head. Decent lacing.

The aroma is booze and raisins, bourbon maybe. Rum. Vanilla. Treacle and molasses. Lots of toffee and sweetness, lots of dark fruits.

Delicious sweet brown sugar and black liquorice. Salt water toffee. Lots of dark fruits. Some tobacco and vanilla. It's a tad boozy, but in a good way. The delicious malty sweetness is noticeable but is quashed perfectly with a mild bitterness. Just a complex yet wonderful depth of flavour here.

It's ligher than expected body actually works really well with all of the rich flavours that are going on here.

Very well rounded and enjoyable. Definitely a sipper and one is enough at any given time. But super enjoyable.

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Photo of thecheapies
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Kuhnhenn 4th D. 2010 vintage. Served just below room temperature. Poured into a snifter glass.

Pours a dark cherry brown color with a small head that didn't hold up long. Had a viscous body coming out of the bottle. 4.0

Huge port aroma coming off of this beer. That, and a rich layer of decadent caramel and melted chocolate toffee bar. So much butter in the nose that the alcohol is pretty dormant, so far. A little ripe grape thrown in the array. There's a massive sweet, honey biscuit-like malt underneath the imparted smells. Mammoth in nose. 4.5

Prune, raisin, toffee, and buttercrunch follow the booze among dominant flavors. More big vinous characters like fortified wine and brandy. The malts are giant, but soft. No heavy roastiness, spring-y toast, or standout astringent grain notes. Still chunky and sweet. There is a choppy bitterness that reminds me of the wood from a barrel, but this is not that version. The finish has more of the port wine and alcohol presence with a mild, almost chile pepper, spiciness. Ridiculously warming. Absolutely stunning. 4.5

Rich, burly mouthfeel with a light existent carbonation. Toothsome and wooly. Major league booze. Not for the light beer drinker. A big-time warmer that makes you clear your throat and grunt after each sip. 4.5

One of the better old ales that I have tasted. Will seek out the bourbon barrel aged version. Recommended. 4.5

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Photo of rousee
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Oh boy, this is noticeably high on the abv. Many thanks to Erik in Michigan for the sample. My wife likes this one too. Very dark muddy fudgy top with only a slight slice at the bottom of the glass of amber ale.

What a malt bomb this is. It is so sweet and delicious that it would take all the hop heads and convert them instantly to malt. A little like Aventinus but not as banana-esque. It is very close to a barleywine and although I don't care too much for barleywines--this thing is fantastic. Tasting notes are caramel syrup, and a nice barley-grainish finish. There are some hops but they don't warrant mention here. You wanna know what the best maltbomb is--this might be it !!!

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Photo of feloniousmonk
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Lovely mahogany/crimson color, nice 1/4" creamy cocoa head.
Aroma is vibrant, brimming with fruit, big in the alcohol department, rich and full of burnished fruit, cherries, berries, and grapes...sweetness, interrupted by booze, a satisfying aroma, fit for the best of any barleywine.
In the taste, delicious....smooth, and bursting with overwhelming fruity flavor...not too strong, either, just enough...massive malt, cherries and berries...
I'd anticipated this brew for some time, wondered about it, dreamed of it...love me barleywines, ...would Kuhnhenn's meet my expectations? So far...
...so good..
smooth, and delicious, ...whatever the alcy-hol is, I'm not tasting it...that's a plus...hooo. lordy, this is niceness personified. Oh, so perfect.
Fourth Dementia, you are my new hero.
I will chase you with a favorite barleywine, to compare, but am sure that you are his/her equal...if they are lucky ...
Enough of that, kudos, to the mastery over there in Warren, MI!

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 447 ratings.