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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 943
Reviews: 441
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 578
Gots: 218 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Bottle (2011)

Acquired via trade
Thanks, whartontallboy!

(Aged for 1+ year)

Very dark brown throughout. Even the edges are the darkest of browns. There is effectively zero visible carbonation after an aggressive pour. A few large bubbles appear at the center/top of the liquid, but effectively, this looks still. I suppose this is the only disapointing aspect of this beer, but the appearance becomes altogether meaningless after tasting this.

Fantastic aroma, though the flavor is even better. The aroma is a wonderful combination of melted caramel candies, chocolate covered marshmallows, maple syrup, and an earthy/honey sweetness. Complete and expressive.

An absurdly good (non barrel-aged) old ale. There is so much complexity here, usually found only in beers of this style that have been barrel-aged. Layers of dark fruits, caramels and toffees, mild chocolate and marshmallow, and maple sweetness coat the tongue. The alcohol is remarkably well hidden. I haven't had the opportunity to try this beer fresh, but I'm happy I sat on this one for the length I did.

Medium bodied with very low carbonation. Slightly chewy, coating, oily. Lovely and decadent.

My favorite of a favorite style. Perfection. Looking forward to opening the barrel-aged one next.

Photo of Thehuntmaster
4.74/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

355ml bottle 13,5% ABV
Served lightly chilled in an over sized wine glass.
2011 Vintage

Appearance: 4D pours thick and viscous and appears dark brown in the glass. The body is almost opaque, but a strong back light reveals deep red and then golden along the edges. A very rough pour only yields a few small tan coloured bubbles that can hardly be called a head. A swirl coats the glass in a thick yellow-tinted film and leaves heavy alcohol legs.

Smell: Oh man, now this is what I call a nose! Massive and super sweet (just as I like it). The initial nose consists of dark treacle, caramelized brown sugar, toffee, a touch of chocolate and two notes that I usually only associate with bourbon barrel-aged beers - toasted marshmallow and toasted coconut. As the beer warms, the nose become amazingly complex with notes including: Raisins, preserved figs, an earthy quality, a touch of leather, molasses and a very unexpected hint of Bamberg smoke.
There is a hint of the 13,5% noted in the nose, but it is wonderfully integrated with the other notes.

Taste: As expected, the initial flavour is quite sweet, with notes of dark treacle, dark caramel, toffee, sweet dark fruits (raisins, prunes and figs), toasted marshmallow and a little molasses. This is followed by an earthy character and a touch of chocolate. The finish is mildly bitter and prevents the sweetness from becoming cloying.
As the beer approaches room temperature, the dark fruits become more prominent, with dates also being noted.
As in the nose, a touch of the 13,5% is noted, but I feel it is an integral part of the flavour.

Mouthfeel: I am sure that most people would call this under carbonated, but for me it is just about perfect - very low level and ultra smooth. The body is full and quite sticky.

Overall: 4D is a phenomenal old ale, I will certainly be buying a few more bottles as soon as I get the chance and trying my best to trade for some of the bourbon edition. Highly recommended for any lover of big, sweet beers.

Photo of sweemzander
4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz. bottle poured into a snifter. 2009 Vintage.

(A)- Pours a cloudy dark brown; almost black color. Produced a tan, almost orange head that is sticking to the sides of the glass.

(S)- A near roasted richness and sweetness of fig, raisin, vanilla, toffee, caramel, butterscotch, honey, and somehow plum. A wood-like dryness in the background. A rather rustic profile with a touch of nuttiness in between the malts. The best smelling Old Ale I have ever enjoyed. Rich and sweet with a big complexity to it.

(T)- Again, a dense monster of rich malts. The smell describes the taste perfectly.

(M)- Dense and rich, but is fitting of the style. A good carbonation level and a great balance. Sweet and malty as hell, but has a light level of bitterness, dryness, and heat to not make it over the top. It also has almost a roasted character to the background.

(D)- A fantastic Old Ale. Sweet and rich and dense, but in the best way. Has an awesome malt profile. A superb example of the style. The more I have of it, the more I like it. Usually the style is too hot for my taste, but this one hides its 12.5% well.
Tastes awesome now, but age will be kind to this yet. It did take me awhile to finish the bottle though, but this one you gotta sip; complex and silky sweet.

Photo of DrJay
4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very slightly hazy, very dark, ruby red colour topped by a light tan head that showed very good retention and left thick lacing on the glass. Intensely malty aroma with rich caramel and toffee, molasses, and a hint of vanilla. The dark, ripe fruitiness becomes a deep vinous aroma with noticeable alcohol character as it warms. Malty sweet flavour to start, it just gets more and more complex. Caramel, toffee, molasses, and ripe fruits are strongest initially, with a bit of oak, vanilla, and nuttiness underneath. Bitterness comes forward part way through and a very light hoppiness appears towards the end, but it remains very, very restrained. The finish is a combination of caramel sweetness and warm alcohol flavour. Full, chewy body that stops just short of being syrupy, with moderately low carbonation. This is a very fine beer, made with exceptional craftsmanship. Definitely the stand-out offering that was available at Kuhnhenn during my visit.

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4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. brown bottle; brewed on 08-01-04, best before 2010; $2.79 for single bottle

Pours an almost opaque deep ruby color with orange/amber tints around the edges and a thick creamy head that dissipates slowly and leaves beautiful yet sparse lace on the sides of the glass. The aroma is mostly caramel sweet with some sherry, raisin, and molasses notes detected along with just a hint of spiciness from the hops. The flavor here is all malt. It is a sweet caramel malt flavor with just enough noble hops bitterness to balance this big boy out. There are some hints of raisin, sherry, molasses and brown sugar along with some alcohol warming. This beer is big in the mouthfeel department, smooth, creamy and chewy all the way to the end. The flavors will linger on your tongue long after the beer is gone... and that is a good thing! Now this is my kind of beer!

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4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Received this long time want from Eric (viggo) in the Gentlemen's Club BIF. 2007 Vintage. Poured into a snifter.

A- Pours a very dark brown with shades of maroon throughout. Very little clarity. Produced a fingers width of off-white head. Over time dissipated into a thin ring around the glass.

S- Malt explosion. Lightly smoked malts, along with toffee and caramel scents. Also picking up a bit of vanilla and barrel as well. The barrel I'm noticing gives the beer a slightly nutty attribute.

T- Oh man, just heavenly. Easily one of the best beers I have had in a long, long time. For a few brief moments an oak barrel, malt flavor lingers on the palate. However, a wave a vanilla, caramel flavors just transform this beer into something so beautiful. Almost like Vanilla Bean DL except the sweetness was not as overwhelming. This beer finishes sweet, but not as sweet as say Dark Lord or Darkness. Just perfect.

M- If there was ever a beer that matched the mouthfeel with the taste perfectly, this was it. Medium bodied, but was silky and smooth. Left some residual stickiness on the palate.

D- I could have put this down so quickly, but I tried to savor each sip. Didn't even notice that this was close to 12%abv.

Overall, this beer, particularly this vintage, is just ridiculous. All I can say is that if you have 2007 Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia, send them to me ;^)

Photo of RonfromJersey
4.72/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Best before 2011 ?

Dark brown/black body with ruby highlights. Held up to the light it looks like a goblet of blood. Small tan head collars the glass and clings a half inch up from the surface. Tempting.

Filthy rich aroma includes mocha, licorice, some fresh bread, tons of fruit, and big floral notes. Delightfully complex even if I can't identify all the elements.

Taste is ...wow. The mocha java from the aroma is here, intwined with some wonderous caramel. Sweet and alcoholic but not cloying. Some dark fruits plum about the surface. Big hit of cherry.

Mouthfeel is halfway from medium to thick, and feels damn fine. Drinkability...this is a sipper, because its good enough to slowly savor, you won't want the bottle to end.

My first beer from Kuhnhenn. Lived up to all the good word. Not demented to say this is damn good.

Photo of JamnesCameron
4.7/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Received this 2010 bottle from fear025 in my Birthday BIF box. Thanks Jay!

Poured into a snifter. Pours a deep garnet with barely any head.

Aromas of dark fruits, figs, raisins, prunes. No hop aroma to speak of.

Flavors of deep rich, concentrated dark fruits, like a jam made of raisins, figs and prunes. Sweetness on the edge of being cloying. Reminds me of port wine.

Mouthfeel is big, chewy, syrupy and oily. Just a hint of carbonation.

Overall, an excellent big brew. Lots of rich flavors meld well together.

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4.68/5  rDev +9.3%

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4.68/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

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4.67/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Adding 2009 edition, sampled 2/9/12.
Aromas are the same minus the musty, oxidized qualities.
The tastes are identical and equally as enjoyable as I remember. Dark fruits and light cocoa dominate.
Mouthfeel is crazy coating and amazing.
Overall, I love this beer, considering moving to Michigan to have direct access every time this is released.

Adding 2007 Vintage tasted 1 month after 2005.
The pour had more more evident carbonation/head retention.

Aromas begin with light chocolate. with the below sweet and fruity malts as well. Less of a musty, earthy, leathery presence. Less sweet toffee and more dark chocolate.

The tastes are fairly close to the previous with lots of dark chocolate and dark fruits. Baker's cocoa becomes more apparent as it warms. Zero alcohol tastes or aromas here. This further verifies my beliefs that beer needs to be consumed within 5 years.

Mouthfeel is super full with medium carbonation; much much more than the 05 I had a couple weeks back. Glorious full finish, luscious almost.

Overall I think this beer is at it's peak after 4 years, the 6 year version showed signs of breaking down but this is freakin' epic. I am adjusting my original ranking to reflect this 2007 perfection. Although this is much more chocolatey and cocoa forward than I expect in an Old Ale, it is still probably the best example I have ever had. I just love that dark, bitter, fruit balance.

Sampling 2005 vintages of Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D).
Aromas start with deep dark caramelized brown sugar maltiness and sweet toffee as well. Cocoa and dark dark cherries become quite apparent as this opens up. Lesser notes of leather and earthy/musk in the background with some inevitable alcohol as well.
The tastes follow the nose to a tee. Loads of dark caramel maltiness coupled with equal amounts of toffee sweetness and dark brandy soaked cherry flavors. Lesser notes of cocoa and earthy/leather on the back end (much less compared to the initial flavors mentioned above). Alcohol bite is non-existent which makes sense after 5+ years. Molasses and dark fruits (figs and dates) linger on the palate now that this is room temperature.
The mouthfeel is medium-full bodied with low carbonation, which I usually hate but it works here. Chewy and finishes mildly sticky.
Overall, this is a great old ale; a bit heavy for the style in the dark malt/cocoa flavor profile but absolutely still delicious. Brandy soaked toffee covered cherries is a single sentence descriptor. This has aged superbly and shows no signs to deterioration even after 5+ years.

Photo of avalon07
4.67/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: Poured from a bottle to a pint glass. Had a murky brown color and a thick consistency. There was a very thin, foamy head that quickly dissipated. Not much lacing to speak of.

S: A big, warm aroma of malt, caramel, molasses, alcohol, and some spices.

T: Tasted like it smelled: Lots of caramel and molasses, some malt, and assorted spices. Alcohol is noticeable, but not overwhelmingly. This is a very complex, extremely flavorful beer.

M: A good amount of carbonation with a smooth, silky finish. Full-bodied.

O: This is an excellent example of an Old Ale. A well made beer all around.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 943 ratings.