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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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924 Ratings
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Ratings: 924
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 567
Gots: 201 | FT: 21
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of Gusler
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Upon its release the beer sets in the glass a beclouded ruby red with a personable creamy light tan head that slowly evaporates leaving an admirable sheet of lace. Nose has a bit of muskiness with sweet malt, hints of caramel, delectable this nose, sweet at the start, grain profile perfect and the top middling in its feel. Finish has a determined acidity, the hops spicy and enjoyable, the after taste dry, with a nice bit of tummy warming, a total hit with me, and a must try.

Photo of Thorpe429
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Picked up at Kuhnhenn a few days after Christmas 2009.

A: Pours a fairly-dark brown with a few mahogany highlights. Pours with a nice tan head and a bit of lacing.

S: Very, very nice and quite complex. Lots of dark malt and accompanying sweetness alongside some dark fruits, cherry, brown sugar, honey, and hints of alcohol.

T: Similar to the smell, with a whole bunch of things going on. A bit of alcohol, which will likely subside with some time, exists alongside loads of sweet malt, brown sugar, caramel, dark fruits, cherry, and raisins.

M: Medium body with a bit too much alcohol at this point, although I'm sure this will meld together very well in time.

D: Incredibly complex and smooth for the alcohol volume it has, this is definitely one to hold onto for a while.

Photo of grub
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

review number 400. woohoo!

sampled on tap at the brewery.

pours very dark brown with a nice very dense light tan head. the head drops very slowly and leaves a thick sheet of lace around the glass.

aroma is great. bit of alcohol. light roast. huge bread and biscuit malts. caramel. bit of dark fruit.

wow! taste is incredible. nice warm blast of alcohol initially, then the malt. tons and tons of malt. caramel. bit of toffee. bread and biscuits toasted with jam. date and a bit o fraisin. so delicious and complex. by about half way down the 10oz glass you start to feel the warmth throughout. layers of flavour in waves, almost too hard to pick each out.

mouthfeel is excellent. silky smooth medium-low carbonation level. nice big body.

drinkability is excellent. a sipper, no doubt, but something i feel like i could sip on all day. good balance between the malt and alcohol with minimal hop presence, just the way an old ale should be. another world class beer from kuhnhenn.

Photo of Viggo
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very pretty ruby red/brown colour, slight haze, small tan head forms, recedes to a ring around the glass, lots of lace. Smell is insane malt, lots of caramel, molasses, some chocolate, and floral hops. Taste is very caramel and sweet malt, with some molasses. Some chocolate and floral hops come through, as well as a little alcohol. Very nice bitter finish. Full bodied, low carbonation, warming alcohol burn down the esophagus and really coats the mouth. Very very good, thanks for the pickup DrJay.

Photo of bbb099
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to scottfrie for sharing this one!

A - Clear mahogany amber with a pretty orange hue and wispy tan head.

S - Strong but pleasant wine and bourbon aroma. Fruity esters present as well.

T - Complex taste of dark fruits (plums, figs) and a dark caramel malt. A little bit of bourbon in there as well. Quite sweet.

M - Medium to full bodied, relatively thick with low carbonation.

O - Well balanced complex beer that I would love to have every dinner.

Photo of Beerzebub
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2009 bottle, served in a big wine glass, not too cold.

Smells like deep rich nutty caramel malt, with some floral and herbaceous notes, very nice indeed.

Tastes like a delicious malt bomb. Huge, sweet dark toffee/caramel, brown sugar, date. After a few seconds some restrained but discernible bitterness comes in, keeping it balanced and drinkable.

Nice beer!

Photo of xgrigorix
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Twelve ounce brown bottle. Brewed on date, along with best by 2011.

Deep rudy chestnut brown. Thin whisp of a beige coloured head. No lace.

Smells like caramel dipped apples that have been marinating in port. Also a slight solvent smell.

Toffe and caramel abound. Intense malt. Comples with a pleasant fruitiness. Finishes off-dry, without becoming cloying. Warms the throat on the way down. Viscous, full bodies elixer with very relaxed carbonation. An excellent adventure.

Photo of bonkers
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I picked up this 2010 vintage bottle in Secret Halloween 2011. The pour is a muddy caramel with a slight white head. The aroma is wonderful, lots of caramel and toffee, hints of alcohol. Taste as good as it smells, mild alcohol on the finish. The body is full, sticky mouthfeel, light carbonation. A great very enjoyable beer, thanks Michael.

Photo of fartingdog
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Brewed on 02/16/05

Pours a dark brown, almost black color, with a decent, yet quickly receeding head. First whiff was delicious - sweet, berry-like and rich. The taste? My first remark was 'delicious'. Full and rich with licorice, berries, dates and caramel. Mouthfeel is delectable, rich and smooth. There's a faint alcohol warming on the finish. This is a fantastic beer to savor.

Photo of MbpBugeye
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks normyk, this is a long time want.

As expected, very minimal head. Beautiful deep rusted chestnut. Deep, rich butternut and toffee aromas. Lots of caramel and alcohol on the nose.The taste is great. Strong toffee, caramel and nuttiness. I can't wait to try the-bal aged version, but honestly it can't get much better than this.

This beer is pretty huge but it enters a different realm of drinkability, sipability. The cant recall the ABV on my bottle but it was in the 13% neighborhood. This is a long evening sipper. Just the thing you need this time of year.

Photo of sinstaineddemon
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

A - this renowned old ale pours a dark red into a tulip glass with a thick smooth tan head with the beer too dark to see any but slight hints of carbonation

S - raisins are the first sensation in the aroma, followed swiftly by toffee and vanilla, with some background hints of anise

T - the taste has the same elements as the aroma, dark sweetness like that of raisins or dates up front, followed shortly by the lighter sweetness of vanilla and toffee, these flavors start of not subdued, but without intensity, but the intensity grows as the taste culminates in a big finish

M&D - smooth and mellow for such a high ABV, flavors and mouthfeel entice with every sip, one of the easier 13+% beers i have had, quite a good job, worth the 700 miles

the new menu has this beer at 13.5%

Photo of cpmichael
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2010 Bottle.

A: Pours a light ruby red color, with a 1 finger tan foam that dissipates quickly. Looks fairly syrupy.

S: Whoa, really complex. Smells very sweet, cotton candy, caramel, some prunes and other dark fruits. The booze is discernible.

T: Layers of caramel, toffee, raisins, a little nutty, and almost a brandy-like sweetness to it. Very sweet, but not in a bad way.

M/D: Medium carbonation, very thick, almost like syrup. Awesome texture, the booze is totally there, but it was pretty smooth and drinkable. I want to try again.

Photo of pmarlowe
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2010 vintage. Kuhnhenn tulip glass.

Pours a deep caramel brown, no lacing and minimal head which disappears completely within a few minutes. Aroma is caramel and malt, brown sugar, some toffee, rye toast, musky and leather notes, chocolate and candied cherries. Alcohol burn is noticeable on the nose. The taste picks up a lot of the nice complex flavors in the aromas, especially the sweet caramel malt, milk chocolate, and toffee. A little bitterness coats the mouth on the finish. Warm, full bodied and medium carbonation, which is probably high for the style but works fine for me. A little hot going down. Overall, this is a fantastic, complex beer, a real sipper but still quite drinkable despite the body and alcohol. My only complaint is that the alcohol is noticeable on both the nose and palate; not terribly surprising, but knocks it down a notch.

Photo of hoppymeal
4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Wow, Kuhnhenn knows old ale. This beer pours a dark brown color with hints of a deep red in the light. There is no head no matter how rapid I pour it and a low level of carbonation. Rich sugary caramel and prune aromas let me know I am in for a treat. Light bitterness in present in the taste but it is balanced and overpowered by the sweet rich malty flavors. The alcohol is so well balanced it is barely discernible, just a warming in the back of the throat in the finish. A sipper for sure, this beer is a very fine example of one of my favorite styles.

Photo of MusicaleMike
4.41/5  rDev +3%
look: 5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a balloon glass. The body is a deep, dark mahogany, verging on opaque. The head is a pillowy, two finger thick, tan foam that has excellent retention. Tiny bubbles. Very lasting, which is surprising for a beer that has such a high alcohol content. Some lacing.

Ripe pineapple is the first thing that came to mind in the aroma. It has a rich, malty sweetness, but a certain tartness/acidity in the aroma which I find desirable in an olde ale. Sherry-like. As it warms, notes of fig emerge.

Taste is bold, explosive. Alcohol and rich caramel malts intertwine, with a balancing bitterness and sweet, vinous finish. Carbonation is excellent and absolutely perfect for helping to lighten the body of this massive beer. Full bodied. Sticky. Nutty, toffee-like aftertaste.

This is a great olde ale. With a perfect appearance, and an excellent aroma, with an equally complex flavor, and active carbonation that serves this beer well, it may be the best in the style I've ever had. Would love to see what additional aging could bring to this beer.

Photo of DaPeculierDane
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

In many ways 4th dimension is much more like a cordial or after dinner liquor than a beer. Its viscosity appears as such and its booziness is so forthright, rich, and fiery in powerful ways. The appearance is quite pleasing – a deep crimson tinged ruby body. Truly a unique and brilliant color. Lacing is minimal to say the least but that’s highly forgivable in such a large beer. Fruity alcohol aromas dominate the nose. Raspberry, mulberry, and cherry. Then toffee and biscuits come into play and finally the whole endeavor is finished with tobacco and rounded out with vanilla. The flavor doesn’t diverge much from the nose. Dark fruits rule here as well, mostly berries but also some plum and raison. Toffee is also a large component. Herbal, boozy finish. Not drinkable in large quantities. A real after dinner sort of sipper and quite the well rounded, hyper warming, fun big beer. I would really like a growler or two of this around Christmas to sip on while sitting around the fire.

Photo of abfraser
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to waltonc for letting me try to this one.

A: What's up with cheap home-computer printed label? Anyway, pours dark, dark brown with virtually no head. Not unattractive, not the most attractive

S: This is really complex. Other reviewers mentioned the similarity to an English-style barleywine, which is appropriate. Earthy and fruity. There's a subtle menthol like aroma.

T/M: Exceptional. Was worried the no-head pour would mean no carbonation, but that wasn't the case. The flavor is big and intense, with dark fruit and earthy flavors.

D: A very nice sipper, but you wouldn't want more than a glass.

A very complex and interesting beer. Was very glad to be able to try it. I think this would age particularly well.

Photo of franksnbeans
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours out a muddy mohogany with a ruby hue. Big creamy head that dies quick to a thin layer with full sheets of lace throughout. Smell is very sweet and creamy. Dried dark fruit, plumb, fig, cherry, some raspberry, toffee and caramel. Taste starts a little syrupy with the fruits showing then the caramel and toffee shine through then take over the palate. Finishes a little dry. Creamy, thick and smooth as silk in the mouth. A definite sipper with its ABV that serves as a treat but no more than one per sitting. Definitely worth seeking out.

Photo of sukwonee
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: Just like BB4D, it doesn't look very good. Almost no head, dark brown body.

S: Amazing. It's literally BB4D less bourbon character. Malt, vanilla, caramel, toffee.

T: Excellent again. Dark fruits, caramel, vanilla, brown sugar.

M: Thick and syrupty.

O: I like this beer almost as much as BB4D. Thank you Beerworld for throwing this in as an extra.

Photo of sulldaddy
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanx to walleye for the hookup on this one!
I am sampling a 12 oz bottle in a snifter at room temp. The beer pours a clear mahogany color with ruby tints when held to the lite.
A small fizzy off white head develops and fades away to nothing very quickly. Aroma is toffee, mixed berries and cherry with some spicy alcohol to boot. I also sniff some brown sugar and raisins.
First sip reveals a very fine carbonation that is so lite it is almost non-existent.
Average body with a bit of syrupy texture and very smooth.
Flavor is sweet toffee up front with some raisins and brown sugar moving in behind it and then some bitey and warming alcohol on the finish. A nice smooth beer that although it warms, the beer still goes down nicely.

Photo of John_M
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Many thanks to Dyan for sharing this beer with me, my first ever beer from Kuhnhenn Brewing.

The beer pours a dark brown color with very good head retention and lacing. The nose on this beer is huge, presenting brown sugar, butter, chocolate and leather. Mama mia, this beer smells great! Flavors on the palate replicate the nose, and I'm impressed by how incredibly rich tasting and intense the flavor profile is. Furthermore, despite considerable sweetness, this beer was not the least bit heavy, cloying or tiring on the palate. I get some slight woodiness on the finish, which only adds to the extremely long and smooth finish. Alcohol is noticeable, but is not intrusive in any way. Still, this is clearly a sipper, and one is all I can ever imagine having of this fine beer. Nevertheless, this is a very flavorful, very big, and very fine beer. Excellent stuff.

Photo of DefenCorps
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Received in trade with goryshkewych. 2007 vintage, split with largadeer.

A: Deep crimson with ruby highlights. Thin tan head

S: Leather and sheesah (hookah tobacco) are what strike me off the bat. There's a hint of smokiness, plums and alcohol. There's also something spicy here. Intriguing and interesting

T: Intense. Medium body to start with with leather and tobacco up front. Fruitiness (plums and raisins) come through followed by a dry finish

M:With the low carbonation and the dry finish, this one is great

D: We ended our drinking session with this. A perfect nightcap.

**Edit: 3rd October 2009.

I drank my second bottle from the 2007 vintage last night and holy crap was it awesome. Fabulous brown sugar, vanilla and spicy alcohol on the nose, with fruity and leather character. Excellently balanced and integrated with a touch of smoke.

The flavors are ridiculously smooth and this is one very easy drinking full-bodied beer, deep and complex with brown sugar, leather, wet wood, figs, prunes and spicy alcohol., Caramel, vanilla, toffee and tobacco round out the flavors and the finish with a prominent tobacco character is AWESOME.
Nose: +0.5, Mouthfeel: +0.5

**Edit 11 March 2012**
2008 Vintage received from Viggo. Thanks, Eric! 11.8% ABV

This vintage seems fruitier and sweeter, both on the nose and the palate, with brown sugar, prunes, raisins and maybe some dates? Less leather, less tobacco, this does remind me of the BB 4D. Lighter in body, making this extremely drinkable. Still, excellent. 4/4.5/4/4.5/4

Photo of schreurb
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of roadhouse
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12 oz. bottle that I received from kryptic (gigantic thanks!) into a snifter. Not sure of the year but it looks quite old with a black and white label.

Appearance is a dark shade of mahogany with a cream colored head that is about one inch thick and with very tight bubbles. Some spotty lacing is left behind.

The aroma is bursting with malty goodness. Full on caramel assauly, very raisiny with lots of candied fruit aromas, and a bit of alcohol in the nose.

The taste is so much better than the nose it blew my mind. It begins with the caramel sweetness that was expected then the dark candied fruit flavors come in for a perfect blend. In the finish there is some chocolate flavors that come out as well making this one even more complex and delicious. There's even a bit of citrus hops coming through in the finish though they have obviously headed south. Easily the best Old Ale I've tried.

Mouthfeel is full and chewy with a mild carbonation that makes it so creamy and soft on the palate it's unbelievable.

Having not liked many Old Ales that much that I've tried, this one really blew me away. I wish I had more of this wonderful beer.

Photo of farrago
4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

You get a good two fingers at first of light tan, creamy foam, mostly microfoam with a pile here or there of larger bubbles, above average retention with a brush of lacing here or there. Unusual clarity for the category with a deep cherry red veneer, only a very slight fade to more base orange around the rims, highly attractive. The nose unfolds at a langorous pace, layers of candied nuts, caramel, toffee, brown sugar, baker's chocolate as well as prune, black raisin, cherry, apricot fruit, elusive smokiness and mossy notes, displays a great deal of power without clumsiness. Full-bodied and then some, covers every mouth pore like rubber glue. Given its texture and overall sweetness, does stay notably fresh and in movement. Avalanche of caramel, toffee, crème brûlée, butterscotch, chocolate, brown sugar, you name it. Maraschino cherry, poached apricot, golden raisin, prune, fig fruit. Candied tangerine citrus adds more sweet and sour. Carbonation behaves like a lava lamp. An edge of peat moss, charcoal, tar pulls it back from the precipice of oversweetness. Even as it warms keeps its balance, although you do suspect you could light the surface with a match. No port handy, drink this beer.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 924 ratings.