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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 938
Reviews: 441
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 574
Gots: 214 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Photo of scottfrie
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle into AVBC snifter. A huge thanks to ipa247 for giving me this bottle. Really generous of you.

A: Pours an extremely dark mahogany red with a thin but dense cream colored head that faded to a thin collar. Not much lace.
S: Rich notes of vanilla, raisins, and caramel. Very sweet and a tad musty smelling with a hint of alcohol vapor, maybe sherry. Hints of fruits also.
T: Hits the palate sweet, fruity and alcoholic (port and sherry). Finish switches to coffee and milk chocolate but some candied fruit notes carry through. Aftertaste is full of sugar, tobacco and grapes.
M: Smooth medium-full body with soft carbonation and a slick mouthfeel. 12.5% alcohol you say? Where? There is a touch of warmth but this drinks great.
D: Hell yeah this is what an Old Ale tastes like! Sweet in all the right places but so very subtle and smooth. I could drink this for days. Alcohol is hidden exceptionally well. Again, I can't thank you enough Jeff for handing this one over to me!

Photo of Fugazme
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

bottled: 8-01-04

Pours a great, deep brown. Slight head... swirls and goes, but decent. A beer with legs and no lacing.

Aroma is great. Maple, alcohol, roasted malts, sugary, caramel, caramel and caramel. Dried fruit.

Taste is very, very good. Biscuity and caramel-like. Slight alcohol burn. Fruity.

Mouthfeel is somewhat oily and full. Sweet and delicous.

Photo of Sean9689
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Tasted a bunch of times at Schlafly Repeal Festival 2010. Poured into tasting glass over and over because it's so damn awesome.

A - Pours black, off-white/tan head, nice sticky lacing and a slim cap on top.

S - Burnt sugars, dark fruits, caramel, toffee. Lots of sweetness and complexity to this. A decent amount of alcohol on the nose but nothing I was expecting with Kuhnhenn.

T - Big, sweet, and boozy (in a good way). I knew this was gonna be a monster and I loved every sip. Chocolate, toffee, burnt caramels, boozy alcohol. The alcohol works really well with this and doesn't overpower the rest of the beer...in fact, it compliments the nuances. Sweet & boozy finish.

M - Full, rich & thick, very very light carbonation.

D - As high octane as this one is, I loved it. I think it was the first keg to blow at the festival and for good reason. Awesome.

Photo of aforbes10
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle picked up for my by kkulacki (thanks, Konrad) at the Winter Solstice Party. Pours deep blood red and dark with a short white head and big long lacing. Smells like cherry cough syrup, blackberries, hazlenut, hints of coffee, ethanol, strong malts. A pretty amazing come-hither odor. The flavor is cough syrup-forward, with hints of cherries. Body and finish are a much more inviting bland of cherry and chocolate with smokey, almost milky malts. Alcohol storng but not overpowering. Some phenolic qualities, and a hint of bitterness. Trends towards a beer liquor. Comparison to cough syrup hard to shed and i wish that flavor were less pronounced. Thick and full-bodied. Sticky and lip-smacking. Almost chewy. Overall, its a great beer, crazy and expertly crafted. The flavor is not as refined as i remember it being from tastes in the past, but i think perhaps its just too young. Luckily i have a second botttle(!) which will be aged 6-12 mos.

Photo of Huhzubendah
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle split two ways thanks to ahalloin.

Mahogany hue with a very substantial head and plenty of lace. Aromas of sweet tobacco, alcohol, rich malts, raisins. This beer has great complexity. My initial thoughts upon my first sip were that this instantly reminds me of a great English barleywine, particularly J.W. Lees. Secondly, this beer tastes much older than it is. I really thought the alcohol, while certainly not hidden, did not overpower the beer or present any undesirable harshness on the palate. There is a long, lingering aftertaste consisting of sweet caramels, toffee. Warming alcohol in the finish. Great beer. Probably best in small quantities.

Photo of GonzoHomebrewer
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

2011, poured into a KtG tulip

A- viscous ruby/mahogany/dark brown pour with a hint of a head that dissipates quickly into a ring around the class. inviting

S- toffee, fig, dark fruit, maybe some graham cracker? I dunno, there's a lot going on, smells sweet and decadent

T- Somehow even richer on the palette. toffee, burnt marshmallow, brown sugar, decadent.

M- thick, almost cloyingly syrupy, could use some more carb to be just a touch less sticky, great nonetheless and goes with the decadent vibe of the brew

O- if this wasn't so sticky, I'd say I could drink this anytime, but I'm wishing I had saved it for a cold winter rather than a cooler summer eve. Decadent brew that is worth seeking out

Photo of ShadesOfGray
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got via trade from a fellow BA. Pours extremely dark brown with large tan frothy head. Very cloudy and laces very nice...wow the aroma is wonderful. I can smell the strong sweet caramel and malts before even getting close. Now, I'm also picking up a little hops, and chocolate. Drinking at room temp btw.
Taste is awesome(2008 vintage btw). Very sweet with caramel, sugars, malts, booze, tangy...creamy. Wow, what a great brew! A little thick so hard to put more than one down in a tasting. Yummy!

Photo of MDDMD
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%

A-brown burgundy color with a nice tan head and good lacing

S-brown sugar, toffee, dark fruit, vanilla, malt

T-caramel malt, toffee, vanilla, figs, plums, dates, light chocolate, little nutty

F-medium body with moderate carbonation, smooth and a little alcohol comes through

O-delicious ale, great dessert beer, love sipping this

Photo of ChadQuest
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pretty fresh batch, so whatever that is.

Looks deadly, in a way that is deep, and dark brown. lacing, but not much head due to the high alcohol. I like the look of the 13.5 on the bottle.
It smells like sweet alcohol, i like it, molasses and brown sugar rolled over currants.
Every time i have drank a Kuhnhenn beer i have absolutely loved the alcohol flavors in it, they are always very present and warming, and never too hot or fusel. Alcohol soaked cherries and black currants, figs and pomegranate juice, brown sugar and vibrant maple syrup. Powdered donut flavors and sweetness that makes you want to lick your lips. Yum.
The body is medium with a decent amount of carbonation.

As with all the Kuhnhenn beers i have had, i really like this one.

Photo of abfraser
4.34/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to waltonc for letting me try to this one.

A: What's up with cheap home-computer printed label? Anyway, pours dark, dark brown with virtually no head. Not unattractive, not the most attractive

S: This is really complex. Other reviewers mentioned the similarity to an English-style barleywine, which is appropriate. Earthy and fruity. There's a subtle menthol like aroma.

T/M: Exceptional. Was worried the no-head pour would mean no carbonation, but that wasn't the case. The flavor is big and intense, with dark fruit and earthy flavors.

D: A very nice sipper, but you wouldn't want more than a glass.

A very complex and interesting beer. Was very glad to be able to try it. I think this would age particularly well.

Photo of bamadog
4.34/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I received this in a trade some time ago. Bottle is from 2009 and listed as 12.5%. Review is from notes taken on 3/14/2011 and poured from the bottle to a snifter. Thank Jeebus I have 2 bottles left...

Appearance: Pour is a deep cola brown and it starts with about 1/4 finger tan head that fades immediately to nothing other than a scant wisp trailing across the surface; body is pretty dark, but shows some ruby/mahogany highlights when held up; pretty soft carbonation is what I see, I have feeling it's going to be even lighter on the palate; no lacing is left behind, not that I would expect any in a beer like this.

Smell: Fantastic. Smells absolutely amazing -- tons of caramel and butterscotch really set up the scents; dark ripe fruits; some kind of spiciness is in there, kind of reminds me of ginger and cinnamon; definite presence of warm alcohol and a bit of a cola-like sweetness; smell is quite robust.

Taste: Holy schyte! Fan-freaking-tastic! Really matches the smell to a "T" -- tons of sweet caramel and butterscotch dominate the palate and there's definite a chewy and overly ripe dark fruit aspect (like raisins) and there's also a bit of spiciness to it (as mentioned in the smell); definite presence of alcohol warms the breath. I have to say, I'm reminded of drinking bourbon and Coke.

Mouthfeel: Body is thick and chewy, just heavier than medium in weight; a thin and dry stickiness is left on the palate; carbonation is essentially non-existent and I have to admit, I would mind just a touch more, but the semi-flatness isn't necessarily outside the style; belly is left very warm, as is the breath from the 12.5% ABV.

Drinkability: Moderate -- the high ABV really keeps it honest, and the super sweetness could become a bit much. I have to say, this is a beer that is probably better shared.

Photo of seeswo
4.34/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2009 bottle, ABV 12.5%. Appears to have been printed off on a home printer. I guess that doesn't matter...

Pours a barely translucent dark brown with a tan head. Looks good. Smells amazing. Raisin and other dark fruits darn near fill the room, deep, rich and earthy, this is one of my favorite old ale smells. Good start. Taste is very sweet with that nice sweet, thin front and a touch of hops/bitterness in the back for balance. Just recently had a JW Lees 88, 99 and 08 and this tastes a lot like a slightly better version of the 99 I had. The sweetness here is aggressive and not as off putting as the Lees 99. That said, this beer is very, very similar. What I don't get is that essence of ham that sometimes comes up in the JW Lees for me, and for me, that makes this a winner. Mouthfeel is somehow thinner than what the sticky sweetness eludes to. If it were any thicker (it's still medium-heavy), the sweetness would cover the tongue and be offensive. So while thinner than expected, this is actually welcome. Overall, this beer is not exactly what I was expecting, but I am impressed that this tastes very similar to a beer aged 12 years, and yet comes off more drinkable and enjoyable. If it weren't so sweet, it would be phenomenal. Barely a touch of alcohol, which is very impressive.

Photo of Overlord
4.34/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours a not terribly attractive ruddy brown. Small head that quickly dissipates, but remains carbonated throughout (which definitely helps with a thick, syrupy beer like this).

Smells mostly of raisins/figs/prunes -- I have a real problem telling these three ingredients apart -- with a hint of sweeter notes. There are definitely some sweet fruits in here as well, dark/tart cherries, maybe something more exotic. I can't tell. There's definitely a strong molasses/caramel undercurrent.

Very, very good.

Photo of liamt07
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Peter of Flying Monkeys, 355ml bottle into some tulips. 2010 winter solstice release, thanks a ton Peter!

Pours a dark brown, with a tan head - transient, and falls to a ring. Big legs on this one. Nose has dried dark fruits, sweet caramel notes, and a hint of metal. Taste reflects this without the metal note (which diminished with warmth), more dried dark fruits - berries and currants, booze, caramel and something I kept percieving as oak, although I'm confident this isn't oak aged. Mouthfeel was medium heavy, with a moderate sweetness that's restrained by some drier qualities throughout. Great drinkability, and doesn't even come close to feeling like the alcohol content advertised. Need to get my lips on the bourbon barreled version.

Photo of nhindian
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle poured into a Cantillon wine glass. Bottle generously provided as an extra by normyk, thanks a ton!

2010 vintage.

A - Pours a dark brown, almost purple color, similar to a deeper-colored Quad. A one-finger, off-white head gradually builds, with moderate retention given the alcohol in this. The lacing is interesting in this beer for sure, as I drink, it leaves a thin, yet generous coating of lace on the opposite side of the glass and a bit on the sides, but if I tilt the glass left and right slowly, the lace stacks for a few seconds, then slowly breaks apart and cascades back down to the rest of the liquid, like a wave that crests and breaks on the beach, and slowly recedes back to the ocean. Very cool.

S - The smell is a nice blend of toffee, dried fruits, and heavily caramelized malts. There appears to be a bit of vanilla and oak in here as well, with a dose of candied sugar as well. Very forward malt nose overall.

T - The taste, as the nose would imply, is quite sweet and dominated by malts. At first there's a slight butterscotch taste, which when followed by the vanilla and oak, generates a unique and tasty flavor. From there it's all toffee and caramel malts, which layer over the dried fruit and raisin to dally into an almost faint Dubbel territory, which when supplemented by the candied sugar, is a Belgian-yeast strain away from being a tantalizing hybrid. This fades in the finish, however, as the malts resurge and last well into the aftertaste. The alcohol comes through slightly, but not enough to give any indication of its 13.50% ABV.

M - Mouthfeel is moderately heavy-bodied with pretty low carbonation. It is pretty slick in the mouth but finishes pretty dry. Leaves a nice coating in the mouth that helps deliver a long-lasting finish.

D - Drinkability is moderately high. It is a tasty beer and hides its alcohol well. It is still a sipper but pretty addicting. I found myself content with a 12oz bottle but it was an enjoyable experience.

Photo of webmanspidey
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

The 2008 variety... I'd been waiting to try this one for a while and finally gave in.

Bottle poured into Duvel tulip glass. Dark purplish brown color, loads of fizzy tan head. Smell is pretty faint but sweet and fruity.. I'd say grapes, currants, and cherries. There might be some darker sweet aromas as well such as maple syrup and molasses.

More of the same in the taste: a very tart mix of cherries and currants with only the slight twinge of alcohol. Slightly sour, but also slightly sweet. Very well put together, with really almost no alcohol burn. A delicious slow sipping dessert-style beer.

Photo of orbitalr0x
4.32/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz bottle pours into my glass a hazy ruddy brown hue with notes of red. A small cream colored head shows up and then disappears just as quickly. Aromas of big, dense caramel malts. Sweet dark candied fruits mix in alongside a slightly roasted character. Piney, herbal hops are still apparent in the background. There's a bit of toffee and some spiciness in there as well. Smells rich and inviting.

First sip brings a rush of rich caramel malt along with plenty of dark candied fruits. Cherry, plum and grape notes move in along with an overall sweetness. Some toffee, raisin and a light cocoa as it moves down. This flows into a bit of herbal, slightly piney hop flavor that brings a touch of bitterness with it. Finishes with a lingering sweet caramel malt flavor. Alcohol is warming but well hidden. This is a great big, malty brew.

Mouthfeel is viscous and a bit slick from the sweetness. Not as heavy as I was expecting. Mellow carbonation that works well with the overall brew. This one is a sipper for sure. One bottle does the job in a sitting and this would make a good apertif. This is another tasty Kuhnhenn brew that is worth seeking out. This bottle was brewed on 8-1-04 and still holding up quite well.

Photo of blitz134
4.32/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Well...its my 24th b-day today...and this beer had its 2nd b-day yesterday...I thought it was fitting that I had this today...

Dark garnet color, obvious floaties drift around. Really no head on the pour, only an offwhite ring around the glass. The beer sparkles in the glass. Looks nice...

Dark fruit aromas raisin, fig and plum, hints of cherries. Alcohol is obvious. Toasted malt aromas come in later on and fill out the body of this beer. Great aroma...

This beer is still a bit hot, super alcoholic tasting but doesn't burn too much to turn me off to it. Lots to the taste. Toasted malts again come forth with some caramel sweetness. Dark fruits come out again, fig and plums. Finish is a bit of tobacco. Nicely done overall. This could use another year, although the alcohol might not ever dissapate.

Medium to full bodied mouthfeel. I'd like it to be a bit creamier. Overall a really tasty beer. Complex aroma and taste. A bit hot still, but tolerable. Good overall.

Photo of BillyB
4.32/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Very interesting and complex beer.

Pours an almost reddish brown color with a thin, whispy, tan colored layer of foam.

Aromas of dark and dried fruits, wood, earth, mollasses, honey, caramel, toffee and spice. Some nutty, alcohol and slight oxidation is noticeable as well.

Tastes of big malty sweetness followed by an impressive bitterness (not what I had expected) that helps with the balance. Some nutty, caramel and mollasses flavors. Woody alcohol.

Mouthfeel is medium to full with a chewy body, nice alcohol warmth and a sweet finish.

Photo of AnPiobaire
4.32/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a goblet. 4D poured a thick muddy brown with barely a cream colored halo for a head. The nose is malty and rich with strong notes of fig. Very pleasant. The taste is a rich malty sweetness with toffee and fig. The mouth is thick and viscous with minimal carbonation. Overall, this is a very decadent old ale that is far from sessionable but is very tasty and one I am glad to have tried. Enjoy!

Photo of CRJMellor
4.32/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours chestnut and mahogany with a thin but big, bubbly, tan head. Minimal lace on the glassware.
Aroma of orange, deep caramel and some lightly roated barley notes. Darker fruit notes of raisins, figs and dates also emerge as it warms. Some peat and maple syrup like note also emerges
Flavor of sweet chocolate, peaty and smoked notes. Some dark citrus fruits with a hint of orange peel, sweet brown sugar and some mulled spices. Faints of leather, wood and tobacco magically appear as it really warms. Delicious but only when warmed.
Mouthfeel is full but hyper sweet cut by some roasted notes and a scotch-like peat alcoholic tone.
Drinkability is very good. Excellent, tasty beer but the hyper-sweetness makes one enough. Poured at least 10-15 degrees too cold. If you get one, leave it on the bar top, try another brew and come back to it. It'll be ready.

Photo of JohnGalt1
4.32/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2007 vintage received a while back from DLucky.... I tried a bottle my bro brought over a couple of months back and it piqued my interest.. so... tonight is the night. Poured into my New Belgium snifter.

Aggressive pour lends only a short lived 3/4" head with a nice cap.. the brew is a beautiful deep brown with bright crimson highlites when held to a light... very pretty and a unique looking brew... nice lace as the liquid slowly drops.

Aroma is very complex... reminds me of an English BW and an older Tawny port.. fruity and leathery with a mild spicy hop background... raisins and lite figs ...

The flavor is huge and comes in waves... very thick malty presence ... with abundant dried fruit .... figs.. lite prune.. fairly sweet.. dry cigar wrapper.. again is reminiscent of an aged English BW... but very aged.. spicy and peppery.... a little bit of ETOH heat.. but actually adds to the overall presentation.. the body is thick and coating.. maybe a little sweet for my palate.. but I honestly think it should probably be cellared for a while longer.. maybe years... what do I know? The carbonation is alot more lively than expected... pouring this one, I did not expect as much.

This brew is a sleeper.. because the finish is sooo long... I am really liking it... now I just need to find a good connection for Kuhnhenn.

Thanks Dan for the fantastic trade.

Photo of largadeer
4.32/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Dark but clear brown with reddish highlights. Half an inch of head forms from a gentle pour, which settles into a ring.

Smell: Dried fruit, molasses, old leather - very earthy and bold, the aroma really jumps out of the glass.

Taste & mouthfeel: Rich toffee-like sweetness with underlying notes of prunes and fruitcake. Hops come out mid-finish, earthy and herbal with a lasting bitterness. A mineral quality appears at warmer temperatures, bringing to mind iron. Heavy/syrupy on the palate with low-to-moderate carbonation, definitely a sipper but a highly enjoyable one.

Notes: Thanks to Dyan for sharing this one. This typically isn't my favorite style but this one definitely won me over.

Photo of uno99
4.32/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Whoah! One of the highest ABV beers ever (legally) sold in Ontario.

Appearance: Quite a dark brown depending on how wide your glass is. Poured into a small collectable sample glass from a beer fest it is a very deep brown mahogany. No head or lacing really. Just a small ring around the meniscus.

Smell: Very pungent. Rich chocolate, dark fruits, sweet roasty malt, some lighter fruits, oak, pepper, lemon, leather. Quite complex.

Taste: big and bold. All properties from the scent are available in the taste. A bit of alcohol at the finish.

Mouthfeel: Adequate carbonation for this thick and rich ale. Plan on spending a good hour with this if you find yourself alone with the bottle.

Overall: Lives up to the reputation. A quite drinkable huge beer with complex taste and aroma.

Photo of Pellinore1
4.32/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to kdub87 for sending this one.

Pours a slightly hazy warm brown into a snifter, and shines red when held to the light. Less than a finger of off-white head fades, leaving some lacing on the glass.

I smell caramel, raisin, fig, and a whiff of booze. Not a very strong smell, but quite pleasant.

Everything from the smell is in the taste as well, only much more intense. I pick up the sweet caramel first, and this is quickly followed by a bloom of dark fruit. The boozy warmth is there at the end, but still astonishingly well concealed for 13.5 abv.

Thick and a bit sticky, but not overwhelming.

A very good beer overall, and almost certainly the best I've had in its category.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 938 ratings.