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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 954
Reviews: 443
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 579
Gots: 218 | FT: 24
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Ratings: 954 | Reviews: 443
Photo of Bitterbill
4.92/5  rDev +15%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

From my notes of December 17, 2006.

Poured from 12oz bottle(brewed on 2-16-05 best before 2011!) a super dark brown with a good sized head of foam that slowly shrinks leaving a mostly solid layer that hugs the side of my glass in a most pleasing way.

The smell is....wow! Huge notes of caramel malt, molasses, and fig that just don't quit. The smell alone is woth the price of admission but, I got this one pro gratis compliments of Mentor!!

The taste follows the nose to a T. Awesome caramel and roasted malt that are just tickling my palate to the Nth degree. The molasses and fig that I noted in the nose are there as well as is dark fruit(plum) adding to the complexity of this Old Ale and making it, despite it's high abv, a most drinkable nectar. And yeah, there's a bit of warming as it goes down but the alcohol, for me, is not detectable in the flavour at all. From the first sip right through to the finish, there's no doubt that I'm drinking a world class brew. Yeah, it's *that* damn good!!

Bottom line: Fantastic! If I were given a choice of sipping on this or a Westy 12(different beer styles aside), I'd have a darned hard time making up my mind on which to choose!
Once again, kudos to Mentor for allowing me to try this tasty son of a gun!!

Photo of mikeys01
4.87/5  rDev +13.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Served on tap at the fantastic and unassuming Kuhnhenn Brewery. This beer was highly recommended by the illustrious Venom and it did not disappoint. The Dementia arrived to us in a beautiful tulip glass. Color is a deep ruby that is so dark it's almost black. Capped with a foamy, ruddy brown head that fades quickly but leaves a satisfying lacing for the duration. Aroma is way out there and in your face, bold as can be, plump full of raisin, plum, and oh so sweet caramely malt. Body isn't quite heavy, making it dangerously drinkable for a reasonably potent brew. Flavor is complex like one of those jigsaw puzzles in which all the pieces look alike, it's almost indescribable. I get elements of chocolate toffee, fermented raisin, caramel, and molasses out of this rich dark beauty. Just a slight drip of maple syrup as well. Phenomenal for sipping or drinking in moderation, you're longing for more when the glass is empty. There is a nice warmth in the finish and just a bit of bitterness on the back and sides of the tongue, also unveiled are soft creamy vanilla and woody notes. This brew has a very old/vintage ale character for a beer brewwed this year, a masterful creation. This is a top shelf brew, do not miss the oportunity to enjoy this one!

Photo of francisweizen
4.87/5  rDev +13.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

I was really excited to try this brew at Kuhnhenns since I never got to try any of the bottled batches, and now I hear that there recent bottles of this are not doing to well as it is. Anyways, this one came in a lovely Balloon glass, the colour was dark bloody red/black, but not quite opaque. Head was light khaki and lasted for quite a while providing the glass with some lovely lacing patterns as well. Aromas are impressive, old ale notes of raisins, figs, other dark fruits and residual sugars, molasses, brown sugar, etc. hops are leafy and good in this mix, malts are dark roasty and hella complex. Middle is doughy and fruit with a rum raisin sort of kick to it that really does it for me. Finish is leafy hops and dark patent malts with some caramel hints, and a somewhat wet and drying contrasting finish that makes this exceptionally drinkable. Just a totally kick ass old ale from a brewery that is really drawing lines. Awesome stuff.

Photo of Hollister
4.85/5  rDev +13.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Damn near perfect. Without question the best olde ale that I've ever had. Exremely complex but still balanced. Very syrupy. Can keep it in your mouth forever and the longer you wait the more you find. Alcohol comes through in the finish, accompanied by a last-minute hoppy bitterness. It could be a desert beer - but there are so many layers to the malt that you don't really consider it a sweet beer while you drink it. A thick head was not expected for this style, however it did seem slightly under-carbonated - perhaps a bit more and the palette would be opened up to dig through the layers of flavor. As I continue to drink this brew, more and more I'm impressed by the finish - the alcohol dries things out and the hop-content thrives.

Photo of connecticutpoet
4.85/5  rDev +13.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Bottled 8-1-04, best before 2010. 11% ABV. Seems like the one most people have been reviewing recently.

This one poured into my chalice a clear, deep ruby red, with absolutely no head. An extremely thin line of foam was evident where the ale met the glass.

Aroma was incredibly complex. Sweet dark fruits, oaken notes, and a rich malt core. There was a little tang of alcohol. Excellent.

Taste... WOW! I am not a huge fan of old ales, but this one was incredible! I loved Adam, but this one blew it away. Dark fruits, rich lightly roasted malts, and definite sweetness. Alcohol was present but restrained, in perfect proportion.

Mouthfeel was thick, rich, and syrupy. It coated the tongue with flavor and held it there.

Drinkability was wonderful. I would gladly have two or three of these at a sitting, and pace myself accordingly. This one just got better as it warmed in the glass. I could see myself enjoying this one again and again, were it available in my area.

Hearty thanks to Erik in Michigan for the trade!

Photo of baconsausage
4.83/5  rDev +12.9%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

2008 vin

Clings to the glass and everything. My palate, nose and eyes can't leave the beer alone. Woah. Burnt orange color matches the burnt sweet orange flavor. Sticky burnt sugar sweetness and citrus hop bitterness blend and become confection greatness. An indulgence. A slight amount of oxidation present on the finish. Great in all ways, proficient. saying this to my now emty glass.

Photo of jsvt
4.82/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a stemless wine glass. 2008

Translucent toffee with a few finger head and ceaseless retention. Lacing all over the place.

Butterscotch, hops, malt honey and slight bitterness on the nose.

As it warms up the palate reveals Great Butterscotch. It goes from burnt caramel to perfect toffee as you continue to sip.

The balance is amazing between sweet and hop. Alcohol is masked in a treat that is truly an endulgance.

Will seek more of this in differnt years and to experience this one of a kind brew again!

Photo of jjayjaye
4.82/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a cloudy dark brown color with better than a full finger foamy light tan head, leaving sheets of lacing in its wake. The smell is amazing. An aggressive dark fruit fig and sweet molasses aroma. I'm REALLY taken in by the smell to the point of distraction; maybe i ought to take a mouthful. Wow, what a kick in the pants!. The mouth feel is first very creamy and medium large bodied. The fig of the nose comes through really strong in the flavor then its overwhelmed by an intense molasses taste. Quite sweet. The 9.5. ABV is warming to be sure. I'm not finding that level of alcohol distracting. I'm assessing the weight to be something that i wouldn't session (if i had a frig full of them...which, i don't), but I find it a cinch to drink and I'm savoring the balance as best I can. Lightly carbonated, there is plenty of the alcohol coming through on subsequent mouthfuls and the dark fruit character is lingering nicely. This one is unique and imaginative to be sure; BRAVO!Thanks a lot for the trade Matt.

Photo of coldmeat23
4.82/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

GLASS: Snifter
TEMP: Poured at approx 42 degrees, warmed to room temp
VINTAGE: 2007 (12.5%abv)

This pours up a deep, yet vibrant, ruby/garnet color with some dark amber highlights. A very thin film of tan/beige foam forms the head, which never really leaves. It's small enough to hang around and not have to worry about diminishing, but at this abv level, I wouldn't expect much more of a head than this. The lacing is filled with tiny little spots which are sticky enough to fight against the oily-ness that coats the sides of the glass and drags them back down to the liquid surface.

This nose is deep, rich, and very complex. Loads of maple and dark fruit notes. Good hints of vanilla. Red grapes and a slight earthy/mustiness. Hints of black currants and a slight trace of cotton candy sweetness. Candied apple notes. Lots of caramel richness and sweet notes of brown sugar. Light hints of wood notes. Earthiness of dark molasses. As expected, it has an almost port like quality to it, overall.
An amazing nose, even in the realm of Old Ales, where noses are commonly amazing.

Initial taste is a malted milk bar, dipped in maple syrup. The earthiness comes forward to balance out the sweetness, which is still here, but somewhat muted. Still lots of dark fruit notes, along with some maraschino cherries and ranier cherries on the back end. Minor notes of green vegetables touch the mid-palate. Very nice presence of salted caramels. Lots of wood presence. Minor earthy hop notes. Lots of dates and figs, along with some light notes ohfmolasses and tobacco.
Overall, this is very rich, deep and complex. As far as old ales go, this is absolutely one of my top faves.

Very much a full-bodied brew, with a slightly oily feel to it. Low carbonation level, which works very well for it. Very smooth and a tiny touch of creaminess. Almost silky.

This is extremely drinkable. Very smooth and delicious. Just be careful of that high abv. You don't taste it, but you will certainly feel it after just a little bit of time goes by.

Photo of Lothore
4.82/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A- Pours a deep scarlet hue carrying a small coffee head.

S- The smell is amazing and I know i'm going to blow it on the description but i'm going to try anyway. Sweet bready malt up front followed by an intoxicating dark fruit armoa, figs, possibly hints of plum which lead into a subtle hop afterthought.

T- The taste seems to be the inverse of the smell, some hops up front followed by a gentle wave of dark fruit which sweeps the palate and carries an alcohol warming with it. After that wave ebbs, a hop bitterness lingers. I am definitely going to get my hands on another one and let it age for a year or two. By far the best old ale i've ever experienced.

M- Thick with an ample amount of carbonation for the style.

D- This was such a delight to drink it is almost indescribable. I definitely would not be in the mood for this all the time but on a cold winter night I can think of nothing better.

Photo of 2BDChicago
4.82/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

My friend Oach had his bro-in-law hit Kuhnhenn's at the 2010 Winter Solstice party and bought a sixer of each of (7) flav's that day.

A: Rich and deep mahogony red brown. Soft bubbly, tan head that quickly disapated.

S: Holy swinging monkeys. Crazy complexity, I don't know where to start. Alcohol and dark fruit come to mind first, but there's way more depth than I can isolate at first sniff. Super seductive blend of molasses, black cherry, vanilla, and clean-pure rocket fuel.

T: Raisins and black currants soaked in alcohol. Then a port wine sweetness and than dark chocolate covered cherries. Could use some aging to take the edge off.

D: This shit is the real deal. Definition of complexity and it blows my mind the variety of well defined flavors that emerge. At 13.5% abv the fuel is present, but not in a burning or instrusive way. The aroma is so awesome, I could almost just smell this brew and not even taste it....almost. When I think of a end of the night snifter, this very rich brew is the benchmark.

Photo of SportsandJorts
4.81/5  rDev +12.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

2013 Vintage

Appearance: dark brown with reddish hues. almost opaque in color. a small, half finger of a tannish head that fades slowly to nothing.

Smell: first i get malts, sweet toffee, caramel, slight molasses that comes through. vinous flavors. oxidized dark fruits. very sweet but not grossly.

Taste: strong sweet malts at first some caramel and toffee, more subtle molasses and a very slight roastiness play in. the end consists of dark fruits, quite vinous in taste. the flavors are very oxidized and show the age well. quite a bit of alcohol comes through without being astringent or off putting.

Mouthfeel: thick, chewy, leathery, and sticky. lots of alcohol warmth. sweetness and alcohol balance nicely. feels strong probably close to what it is but is in a suitable balance.

Overall: This beer is exactly what I look for in a big beer, its flavors are intense and it pushes the style guides to the extreme but stays with the constraint (besides gravities and alcohol).

Photo of Amalak
4.8/5  rDev +12.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

A. Extremely dark brown. No light comes through. Very limited, tan head and no lacing. Almost seems like a deep liquor.

S. Very nice malty, nutty scent. Thick. Caramel in there.

T. That is arguably the smoothest beer I've ever had. Beautiful toffee blended with a floralness. Nice nut taste. There's a cotton-candy taste to it. Love it.

M. Nice sweet tingle.

O. Certainly this is the best ale that I've ever had. Absolutely the smoothest most wonderful ale I've tried.

Photo of rye726
4.8/5  rDev +12.1%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Pours a rich, dark mahogany with a silky tan head and nice lacing.

Nose has figs, plums, cherries, chocolate, toffee, caramel, honey, pecans, and brandy. Simply superb.

Taste is just as complex. Flavors of port, dark pitted fruits, carmelized candies, nutty malts and cognac.

Full creamy body is delicately carbonated. Long, lasting finish.

Near perfect example of the style. Will age well fro years to come.

Photo of SaxmanRick
4.79/5  rDev +11.9%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

Photo of IntriqKen
4.77/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This may be the sweetest desert beer I have ever had.
Poured a deep, deep dark brown with amber tones.
Aromas are caramel, dark chocolate, dark fruits like raisins, plums, burnt sugar (brown sugar?), and sweet alcohol.
Mouthfeel is slippery creamy smooth with light carbonation.
Taste is an amplification of the smell. Sugar, caramel, brown sugar, raisins, plums, stewed prunes, and sweet alcohol. Maybe a little toasted malt.
Aftertaste is sweet dark fruits with a comfortable warming.
This is an incredible desert beer.

Photo of EgadBananas
4.77/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Big Thanks to JJFoodie for this amazingness!

A - Pours a wonderful garnet color, with a minimal sized head, tan/yellow in color. Left a surprisingly nice amount of scattered, bubbly lacing.

S - Huge malty notes, lots of sweetness; candied dark fruits, toasted marsh mellow as the label predicts, almost chocolaty.

T - Sweet, but not cloying. Complex rather. Big sweet dark fruits, lots of malts, that toasted marsh mellow again and again with the chocolaty finish. It's complex to the point that it makes description a feat.

M - The feel is viscous, with a viscosity that rivals some stouts. There's an almost chewiness to it, naturally full-bodied, but the finish is clean. Carbonation level is easily next to none, giving way to a wonderful creaminess.

D - You can't smell or taste the alcohol in this monster, but it does create a bit of warming that lets you know that it's there. Drinkability is dangerously good due in part to that, but you'd be wise to limit yourself to one. (Un)Luckily for me, I had but 1 bottles, so I shall be forced to stop at that.

Wonderful Old Ale.

Photo of BEERchitect
4.77/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Fourth Dementia has all the qualities of world class English Barleywines but with a lighter and evaporative body that makes it seductivley drinkable.

The beer pours a rich mohogany hue, moderate haze and a creamy barley stained head. Good lacing and light legging make this one masculine and handsome beer.

Rich aromas of deep molassas, sorghum, toffee, and stone fruits make a dramatic and pronounced impact from the nose. Rum and fruitcake notes give as much complexity as you can expect any one beer to hold.

Succulent flavors of molassas, charred toffee, peanut brittle and brandy show up front. Plumbs, figs, dates, raisons, bruised cherries, and prunes show a well-aged estery mix throughout. Sweeter rums, fruitcake breadiness and light chocolates also add to the complex matrix of the beer. Moderate aged notes of sherry and soy make their way into the savory mix and with pin-point precision in the beer's balance. Absolute complexity and variation with supurb balance and error-free in this 2-year vintage.

I expect a thick and syrupy texture that would be similar to the J.W. Lees and Thomas Hardey's but the beer's light dryness and ample carbonation lifts the beer off of the tongue and away from the palate- allowing for a cotton candy evaporation that is both satisfying and seductive, leaving me wanting the next sip far too soon for a nearly 12% beer.

Fourth Dementia tastes as rich and deep as any big beer but with the drinkability of a 6% beer. This equals danger with me.

Thank you waltonc, you sir are a class act!

Photo of BGDrock
4.76/5  rDev +11.2%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.75

Appearance: no head (might be the glass though), foggy dark brown like an americano

Aroma: fascinating, mystifying - raisin, prune, rich complex port; just beautiful!; perfume - slightly floral, over-ripe fruit like apple that's gone brown and rinkled (in a good way)

Taste & Mouthfeel: thick and oily; burnt caramel of the deepest kind, vanilla - like a more intense creme brulee; just a hint of burn in the finish - which goes on for days with simmered dark fruit flavour; hints of coffee bitterness; over time the alcohol becomes more prominent, as well as chocolate, coffee, burnt flavours, but still masterfully balanced with fruit and caramel

Overall: love when a beer has a undefinable, complex flavour that keeps you coming back for more, trying to reason what makes it so good - this is that and more; a must have and probably great aged a few years

Photo of mtomlins
4.76/5  rDev +11.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.75

2012 Vintage bottle drank from a standard pint glass.

A: A beautiful deep brown (mahogany or copper) color with a thin tan head that dissipated rapidly. This bottle had very little carbonation and not much in the way of lacing.

S: Deep, ripe, dark fruit like raisins and dates and a blast of malty ‘breadiness’. There is a slight boozy note which is to be expected given its 13.5% ABV, but it is not overwhelming.

T: Wow! There is a rich caramel sweetness that is dominated by ripe, dried, dark fruit (raisins, figs, dates) and backed by a full, rich malt, biscuit, bread base. There is a nice hop bitterness to balance out the sweetness of the malt. Again, there is a slight booziness, but minimal given the high ABV. Given the high gravity of the beer, it still manages to remain soft on the palate.

M: Fourth Dimension is a bowl of brown sugar porridge on a cold winter’s day. The beer is full and silky smooth giving it an incredibly round and robust presence.

O: A stellar version of a complex beer style. 4D is a perfectly balance beer of rich fruit and biscuit/bready malt with a pleasant hoppy counterpoint. This is an impressive beer!!

EDIT: Poured the same 2012 vintage on Feb 2015. The hops have died back really allowing the malt profile to shine. A certain amount of spice has developed like nutmeg and cinnamon adding a delicious complexity. This beer is only getting better with age!

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
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