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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Reviews: 447
Hads: 1,006
Avg: 4.26
pDev: 9.15%
Wants: 603
Gots: 217 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Reviews: 447 | Hads: 1,006
Photo of TurdFurgison
4.63/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had on tap at the Kuhnhenn brewpub. I'd been wanting to try this beer for some time, and it lived up to its hype.

It was presented in a tulip-style chalice, showcasing the dark aubrun red beer with a thick, wet, and sticky tan head. Very nice looking, and the aroma wasn't as strong or barley-winey as I feared. It was malty and a little muted. Still very nice. The taste was almost doppelbocky, with rich and sweet malt flavors battling for dominance over the alcohol (13.5% based on the menu description). The malt flavors came through really nicely, and there was just a hint of alcohol burn. The mouthfeel was just as good, thick and chewy, it felt like drinking a meal. Very very nice old ale.

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Photo of sinstaineddemon
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

A - this renowned old ale pours a dark red into a tulip glass with a thick smooth tan head with the beer too dark to see any but slight hints of carbonation

S - raisins are the first sensation in the aroma, followed swiftly by toffee and vanilla, with some background hints of anise

T - the taste has the same elements as the aroma, dark sweetness like that of raisins or dates up front, followed shortly by the lighter sweetness of vanilla and toffee, these flavors start of not subdued, but without intensity, but the intensity grows as the taste culminates in a big finish

M&D - smooth and mellow for such a high ABV, flavors and mouthfeel entice with every sip, one of the easier 13+% beers i have had, quite a good job, worth the 700 miles

the new menu has this beer at 13.5%

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Photo of bozebus17
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 3.5

Had on-tap at the brewery.

Pours a very dark brown, almost black. There is an impressive tan head that doesn't last real long. I'm sure this is due to the high ABV. The lacing on the goblet is immense.

Smells very sweet; There are hints of caramel, toffee, and smokey notes. My mouth started watering at first sniff.

Tastes very very sweet. Roasted flavors are everywhere. There is a bittersweet finish. This beer is very creamy and heavy, almost a barley stew.

This is a great beer. It is the kind of beer that warms the heart and soul. I love it!

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Photo of Matthew
4.02/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A giant thanks to Erikthered for this growler!
Poured into my tulip glass, the color is a brownish ruby with a thin whispy khaki head with tight clusters of bubbles clinging to the side of my glass.
The aroma is nice and deep and really has alot to offer. The first aroma that I can really notice is of caramel and sherry. A good amount of cherry fruitiness is also very prominent, maybe even chocolate covered cherries. Toffee and a hint of vanilla extract are also players in the aroma.
Lots of caramel and boozey sherry are first, lighter flavors of ripe cherry and something that is sort of like rawhide flow into the initial sweetness. Each sip leaves my with a smooth creamy toffee flavor and a good amount of alcohol warming. This beer is fairly boozey, but not too abrasive.
Medium bodied beer with a lower level of carbonation.
This old ale certainly offers a good amount of complexity and a nice variance of flavor. From sweet toffee, caramel and chocolate to some mild earthy and even a leathery rawhideish flavor in the finish.
The level of sweetness is high and the boozey sherry character is a key player in this beer, certainly a sipper. Not something that I could drink more than a glass of in a sitting, but very enjoyable none the less.

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Photo of BlindPig
4.67/5  rDev +9.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

A- Thin creamy tan head on a dark body and when held to light a pretty clear amber body. Very little lacing is left besides a collar. Also has some very nice legs to it with a swirl.
S- Has the "old ale" aroma. A sweet caramel, cherries, dark fruits, and a very nice complex aroma. Very nice blend of smells.
T/M- Has a sweet caramel body and a huge warming of alcohol that warms the whole body. Tastes just like the aroma with the "old ale" flavor. Sweet cherries and other blends of fruits. I'm getting wood and light vanilla from it also. Light bitterness sticks on the tip of the tongue. A dry smooth finish to it along with that huge alcohol hotness. Almost candy like and very full in body. Goes down very smooth with low carbonation. It's just a great blend of complex flavors.
D- It is a big sipper but it's a great beer. I'm glad I opened it for my 400th review. Very complex and interesting flavors. I would seek this out again.

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Photo of grub
4.41/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

review number 400. woohoo!

sampled on tap at the brewery.

pours very dark brown with a nice very dense light tan head. the head drops very slowly and leaves a thick sheet of lace around the glass.

aroma is great. bit of alcohol. light roast. huge bread and biscuit malts. caramel. bit of dark fruit.

wow! taste is incredible. nice warm blast of alcohol initially, then the malt. tons and tons of malt. caramel. bit of toffee. bread and biscuits toasted with jam. date and a bit o fraisin. so delicious and complex. by about half way down the 10oz glass you start to feel the warmth throughout. layers of flavour in waves, almost too hard to pick each out.

mouthfeel is excellent. silky smooth medium-low carbonation level. nice big body.

drinkability is excellent. a sipper, no doubt, but something i feel like i could sip on all day. good balance between the malt and alcohol with minimal hop presence, just the way an old ale should be. another world class beer from kuhnhenn.

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Photo of barleywinebrewer
3.82/5  rDev -10.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

thanks to hoppymeal for this via the bw bif2. another bottle of the 2-16-05 series.

A - sort of a black / brown mix - almost brackish but not quite black. A whisp of dark tan carbonation at the edges.
S - Deep vinous raisin, toffee, notes backed but a warmth that implies strong.
T - similar to the aroma but with a sharp drop of the sweet malts and a hit of burnt / hop bite. Not enough to kill the brew but not what I would envision from the aromas.
M - full bodied, lightly carbonated, thick but not cloying. finishes dry
D - an intriguing brew. One is plenty for an evening.

The bite is a bit more than I would prefer in an aged old ale / barleywine. I'd be curious to see what a few more years would do but other than that I'd look to other brews to fortify the cellar.

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Photo of brdc
4.09/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks Derek hoppymeal for this one.

It pours a dark, hazy brown beer with a reddish hue that has a minimal tan head with almost no retention.
A complex, delicious aroma that starts sweetish, evolving into layers of caramel, choclate milk, toffee and even some hops are quite discernible, all permeated by a powerful but pleasant alcohol.
This full-bodied brew has quite a complex taste, starting sweetish as expected, caramel-like, evolving into a hoppy bitterness, then a warming alcohol followed by a dry finish.
This "alcoholic" presence is at times too pronounced, and at the end of the beer it can get too much, compromising its drinkability.
Nonetheless, it is quite pleasant and well-crafted.

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Photo of goodbyeohio
3.96/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

update: 2011

before consuming the next in my kuhnhenn stash, i saw the last time i had this was not so successful. this worries me. whatever. let's roll the dice!

purplish pour. big fruity & sweet aroma. i get dates, cherry pie filling, burnt sugar, rum cake, and a tinge of the esters from a big belgian dark ale. booze overwhelms the sweet (which is present), but makes this thankfully more of a sipper than a saccharine drain pour. carbonation is there but muted, nice for the heft. kind of tastes like fruity smores.. definite marshmallow and toasty graham. absolutely zero tartness or infection. this reminds me a lot of north coast old stock, just a bit bigger and more intense.

bottled 2/05... revisiting a cellared bottle. fraw notes:

murky bloodish with expansive tan foam bridges. dotty lace. smells like the garbage can the day after you throw overcooked maple bacon in it.

first sip is full of cherry acid, next is overwhelming with woody must and portish stale booze. sips get smaller and smaller as not to offend my sensitive palate (the same palate which just shared a 22oz 2007 maharaja and should be suitably adjusted to big flavors). the final sip shows some nutty toffee and carob richness but fails to overpower the essential rotten fruit funk.

this is what i imagine a non-pasteurized, fresh-cherry version of three philosophers after years of sitting on a steamy, 75 degree shelf would produce. unfortunately, this brew was stored in a temperate cellar with love and care. fridged, even, for the last few months.

F minus. this beer has disintegrated in quality. originally, in 05, i rated this beer in the 4 range. fuck that noise, it's dead to me now.

i'll take a bottle of infected creme brulee over this travesty ANY DAY.

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Photo of Wasatch
4.44/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks stouty1 for the brew.

Brewed On: 02-16-05
Best Before: 2011

My first Kuhnhenn.

Poured into a chalice a slightly cloudy dark amber color, some carbonation, no head or lacing. The nose is of sweet/spicy malts, some hops, slight vanilla, and caramel. The taste is big of sweet malts, hops, and caramel. There's a nice oily/sweetness going on with first sip, then there's a slight dry/bitterness in the finish. Nice warming factor the whole way down. Medium body, nice rounded brew. Very drinkable, but watch out, LOL This is a very tasty Old Ale, hopefully I will get a chance to try out other Kuhnhenn brew's soon.

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Photo of bennetj17
3.77/5  rDev -11.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Thanks to BigDaddyWil for this Michigan treat. Bottled Feb 16, 2005. Dark, syrupy and brown, very little visible carbonation resulting in no foam at all. Very murky/ cloudy also. Raisin, toffee, caramel and a spot of alcohol in the nose, basically a lot of malt. The flavor is much the same, rich caramel and coffee, lightly smoked, dark raspberry and cherry. The finish carries a light buttery sweetness but also some hop tang creating some bitter notes. The mouthfeel is a bit flat from the lack of carbonation, but the syrupy thickness gives it some depth still. Overall, this was a malt bomb with a bit of age on it. I think I would have preferred it younger, although I suspect many of you would enjoy it just fine as is. Worth a try...

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Photo of Prufrock
4.09/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz. bottle, bottled 02-16-05, into a pilsner.

medium brown that shows some bright ruby against the light.

powerful aroma: tons of caramel, with cherries, raisins, sweet malts, sherry, and alcohol.

heavy feel with a gentle carbonation. strong raisin and dark fruit flavors and caramel malts. some alcohol notes, and a balancing hop finish. complex but assertive flavors; interesting and drinkable. very good beer.

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Photo of CharlesDarwin
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Originally reviewed on December 1, 2006. 12 Oz Bottle. Sweet sugar currant malt amalgamation of raisin, cream and fragrant yeast. Light fruitcake spice and aged rum. Candied papaya and other fruits. Colored with clouded pale mahogany with deep ruby-brown core and sunset fringes. Rim of off-white. A quiet silky smooth palate of fresh creamy raisins and loads of tawny caramel malts. A highlight of fresh black cardamon pods over the yeast character. A background of tooth-biting hop flavor rallied around a lemon kiss in the middle of the tongue. Sweet mexican cocoa powder and heavy british toffees with faint buttermilk arise from the middle. Alcohol alights the sinuses, however gently. Beautifully malt flavors. A touch cloying and clingly. Dark sugars fringes edge towards a hint of medicine notes, which keep this from excelling. But, the dry chocolate and faint coffee highlights are especially appreciated. Faint oxidation.

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Photo of Hollister
4.85/5  rDev +13.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Damn near perfect. Without question the best olde ale that I've ever had. Exremely complex but still balanced. Very syrupy. Can keep it in your mouth forever and the longer you wait the more you find. Alcohol comes through in the finish, accompanied by a last-minute hoppy bitterness. It could be a desert beer - but there are so many layers to the malt that you don't really consider it a sweet beer while you drink it. A thick head was not expected for this style, however it did seem slightly under-carbonated - perhaps a bit more and the palette would be opened up to dig through the layers of flavor. As I continue to drink this brew, more and more I'm impressed by the finish - the alcohol dries things out and the hop-content thrives.

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Photo of mrasskicktastic
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - A fairly dark brown color with a half a finger of short-lived head with a thin ring of lacing that forms. Specks of lacing adorn the glass throughout.

S - Concord grape juice, dark red fruit juices - cherries and blackberries. A bit of dates and figs.

T - Excellent. The foretaste is dominated by a truly fantastic presentation of blackberries. The aftertaste is mostly grape with a fruity bitterness.

M - Smooth, thin, slick and very refreshing.

D - Awesome. Too strong to session. The bitterness is of a type that detracts from teh drinkability, but it would be better with food. If I ever find it again, I will have it again. Why doesn't Kuhnhenn distribute more?!? This is the only Kuhnhenn beer I have had and it is simply amazing. I hope to get my hands on many more of their beers. Hopefully I can make it up to their brewpub one day.

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Photo of fartingdog
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Brewed on 02/16/05

Pours a dark brown, almost black color, with a decent, yet quickly receeding head. First whiff was delicious - sweet, berry-like and rich. The taste? My first remark was 'delicious'. Full and rich with licorice, berries, dates and caramel. Mouthfeel is delectable, rich and smooth. There's a faint alcohol warming on the finish. This is a fantastic beer to savor.

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Photo of alexgash
4.55/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Served at 60 degrees F.

Brewed on 02-16-05

13.5% abv

Dark caramel corn brown edges around a deep ruby body. Finger of cobwebby, clingy, khaki brown head. Nose of oak, sherry, tart cherry-vinous-grape, scorched maple syrup, hints of alcohol, vanilla, and caramel. Pretty complex if you ask me--and good! Sweet caramel sugar malt up front. Vinous fruity tartness follows. I can taste the age on this and it tastes good. Notes of oak, vanilla, and madeira mid-palate. Gets fruitier and finishes sweet. The hops are super mellow but provide some nice balance. Warming and malty and very good. Full-bodied, ultra-creamy smooth feel. Velvety. 13.5%! I never would have guessed. Glad I bought a sixer. Might have to lay down some of those though to try next year(s).

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Photo of mcallister
4.97/5  rDev +16.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This one pours out and has olde ale written all over it. A dark opaque amber showing scarlet hues when held too light. Pours with a small quickly dissipating brown head that leaves very little lace behind.

Maybe the best smelling beer I've ever laid nose on. Hard too pull my face out of the Great Lakes Christmas ale snifter holding this elixir. First thing you notice is the vast amounts of toffeed caramel very sweet malt that slaps you in the face. This leads into brown sugar, maple, mollasses, dried fig, a bit of woodsy bourbon, dried cherry, alcohol, and a plethora of other pleasing delectable aromas. One hell of a smell!!

This beer is what all others in this style strive to be. Perfectly balanced with an over the top complexity. Upon entrance you get a sour bing cherry that leads into a mass of goings on in the mid palate, caramel, toffee, sweet succulent malt, dried fig as well as dried berries, a maple syrup touch, brown sugar, no signs of alcohol. The perfect beer for a dreary cold day like today. This beer screams age me, at least 5 more years of maturing was in this olde ales future. The finish is medium and has a nice floral bitterness that mingles quite well with the lingering sweet brown sugar malty heavan.

Mouthfeel thick and chewy and succulently sweet. I could drink this beer daily for the rest of my life and be happy. Great job from a great brewery.

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Photo of TastyTaste
4.56/5  rDev +7%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Appearance: Dark brown until held to light, then the body lights up to a brilliant red color. Head is tan, about 3/4", slow fading.

Smell: Sugar and maple syrup. Rich, with some dark fruits. Very sweet.

Taste: Rich and strong, but muted and earthy. The back end has some nice hop bitterness. Rich and smooth, as the style dictates. I would like to try and age a bottle of this, i think it would mature wonderfully. Probably the second best Old Ale I have tried.

Drinkability: Well rounded and extremely enjoyable. A very good example of the style. Thanks to warriorsoul for the trade.

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Photo of IntriqKen
4.77/5  rDev +12%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This may be the sweetest desert beer I have ever had.
Poured a deep, deep dark brown with amber tones.
Aromas are caramel, dark chocolate, dark fruits like raisins, plums, burnt sugar (brown sugar?), and sweet alcohol.
Mouthfeel is slippery creamy smooth with light carbonation.
Taste is an amplification of the smell. Sugar, caramel, brown sugar, raisins, plums, stewed prunes, and sweet alcohol. Maybe a little toasted malt.
Aftertaste is sweet dark fruits with a comfortable warming.
This is an incredible desert beer.

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Photo of egajdzis
4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a hazy copper color with a thin, light tan head that left spotty lacing on the glass. Aroma of tangerine, citrus fruits, pine, caramel wiith some tobacco as well. Taste of pine, sticky caramel malts, with more tobacco, citrus fruits, and, light alcohol as well.

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Photo of RonfromJersey
4.72/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Best before 2011 ?

Dark brown/black body with ruby highlights. Held up to the light it looks like a goblet of blood. Small tan head collars the glass and clings a half inch up from the surface. Tempting.

Filthy rich aroma includes mocha, licorice, some fresh bread, tons of fruit, and big floral notes. Delightfully complex even if I can't identify all the elements.

Taste is ...wow. The mocha java from the aroma is here, intwined with some wonderous caramel. Sweet and alcoholic but not cloying. Some dark fruits plum about the surface. Big hit of cherry.

Mouthfeel is halfway from medium to thick, and feels damn fine. Drinkability...this is a sipper, because its good enough to slowly savor, you won't want the bottle to end.

My first beer from Kuhnhenn. Lived up to all the good word. Not demented to say this is damn good.

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Photo of BuckeyeNation
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Black cherry cordial beneath a three finger crown of attractive golden caramel foam. As the proportions of beer and head begin to reverse, I'm amazed at the fiery brilliance of the liquid. An ABV of 11% is probably a bit high to expect much lace, and, in fact, the glass is almost untouched. Still though, this is a very nice looking old ale.

The nose--by my nose at least--is indistinguishable from a barleywine. In addition to aromas of concentrated cherries and raspberries, there's a good bit of sweet caramel and fruit juice infused tobacco. Alcohol is present, as it will most likely be for at least several more years. I need more complexity and sheer force of personality to break out the big numbers though.

On the palate, I'm again reminded of a barleywine. The flavor profile follows the nose directly and, like the nose, could be deeper and more multi-faceted. I started the bottle out at barely cool so I don't think that temperature is an issue. Let's see what happens as the ounces disappear.

My taste buds are quite happy during the initial submersion. For such a big beer though, the flavor fades a bit too quickly, never quite reaching critical mass. I need more time to explore all of the beer's dimensions, but I can't quite get to the third one, the one that bestows volume and depth. I'm probably being a little hard on Fourth Dementia, but my expectations were sky high and they weren't met. That always makes me a little grumpy.

Caramel-drizzled, brandy-soaked cherries account for most of the flavor profile. I had a feeling that the hops that were present when this bottle was young (bottled on 8-1-04) have long since faded and that's exactly the case. There isn't a great of sweetness to counter though, so a huge hop load isn't needed at this point. The finish is on the short side for the style. The high ABV and the lack of malty assertiveness see to it that it's drying as well.

The body fills out a little from start to finish and manages to reach softly creamy by the final few ounces. It's nowhere near too carbonated, but a few fewer bubbles would have made the mouthfeel more silky and more enjoyable than it already is. This is a pretty good sipper though, I'm glad that I chose a snifter.

This bottle of Fourth Dementia has been biding its time in my cellar for over a year now. Given the 'best before 2010' on the label, I was in no hurry to sample the goods. After drinking it, I don't believe that it's going to improve from here on out. In the final reckoning, it's a good old ale, but 'great' never even crossed my mind.

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Photo of blackie
4.17/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

appearance: In the snifter, the beer has a slight, khaki colored head. The color is a deep, rich brown.

smell: Upfront are lightly toasted malts with big notes of date and dark sugars. As the beer warms, just the right amount of ethanol opens up. Plenty of muddy hop aroma.

mouthfeel: The carbonation is at a very smooth, light, almost perfect level. The body is full and syrupy.

taste: A big barley sweetness with thick flavors of dark fruits and a nice ethanol bite dominate. The hop flavor is considerable and pretty heavy with the taste of hop pulp, though very well blended with the sugary malts. The hop flavor opens up and becomes floral in the finish, and the bitterness tries its best to back up the malt sugars.

drinkability: a good beer and pretty easy to sip on

bottle split with dirtylou during my stay in Madison...best by 2010

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Photo of onsite416
4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle Dated 2.16.05
a= really did not see this one coming. Poured a dark brown, and then seemed to turn to dark amber. Very thin white head was gone in it 2 seconds.

s= Loads of berries, caramel, malts & zest of lemon.

t= Champagne caramel taste right off the bat. Alcohol followed right after. Then raisons, fig & brown

m= A little acidic, the taste overwhelms that fact.

d= would definitely be able to enjoy more than one. Although you would want another BA near you, way too many flavors in this beer for one person to determine.

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 447 ratings.