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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 873
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 556
Gots: 204 | FT: 27
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of goodbyeohio
3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

update: 2011

before consuming the next in my kuhnhenn stash, i saw the last time i had this was not so successful. this worries me. whatever. let's roll the dice!

purplish pour. big fruity & sweet aroma. i get dates, cherry pie filling, burnt sugar, rum cake, and a tinge of the esters from a big belgian dark ale. booze overwhelms the sweet (which is present), but makes this thankfully more of a sipper than a saccharine drain pour. carbonation is there but muted, nice for the heft. kind of tastes like fruity smores.. definite marshmallow and toasty graham. absolutely zero tartness or infection. this reminds me a lot of north coast old stock, just a bit bigger and more intense.

bottled 2/05... revisiting a cellared bottle. fraw notes:

murky bloodish with expansive tan foam bridges. dotty lace. smells like the garbage can the day after you throw overcooked maple bacon in it.

first sip is full of cherry acid, next is overwhelming with woody must and portish stale booze. sips get smaller and smaller as not to offend my sensitive palate (the same palate which just shared a 22oz 2007 maharaja and should be suitably adjusted to big flavors). the final sip shows some nutty toffee and carob richness but fails to overpower the essential rotten fruit funk.

this is what i imagine a non-pasteurized, fresh-cherry version of three philosophers after years of sitting on a steamy, 75 degree shelf would produce. unfortunately, this brew was stored in a temperate cellar with love and care. fridged, even, for the last few months.

F minus. this beer has disintegrated in quality. originally, in 05, i rated this beer in the 4 range. fuck that noise, it's dead to me now.

i'll take a bottle of infected creme brulee over this travesty ANY DAY.

goodbyeohio, Mar 22, 2007
Photo of mmapes
3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Big thanks to Andrew for the trade. We opened a 2012 vintage.

Pours cloudy, murky brown. Smells of whiskey, carmel. Smells sweet - very sweet, some molasses.

First impression: sweet! Lingering finish has an herbal quality. Medicinal? Very hot. Probably needs to warm up before we can say more definitively what the taste will be.

Later sips: the herbal component stays in the back. The sweetness stays forward. Probably less balanced and interesting than my favorite Old Stock, but pretty good. Up my alley.

Nice thick mouthfeel coats the tongue.

mmapes, Jan 03, 2014
Photo of emmasdad
3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a medium to dark brown, with a very minimal head. Aromas of honey, molasses, dark brown sugar and oak. On the palate, this one is quite boozy, with rum soaked dark fruits and more of the above sugars. An enjoyable beer, but one I wouldn't want a large quantity.

emmasdad, Sep 19, 2010
Photo of Kadonny
3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I got this bottle via trade. FYI my bottle listed abv at 12.5%.

Poured into a tulip tasting glass from a 12 ounce bottle.

A: A dark brownish color with some hints of ruby red. A very thin off white head leaves minimal lacing.

S: Wow, fantastic. Smells of candy with butterscotch, caramel, toffee, dark ripe fruits and a hint of wood tones.

T: Ok, beer is much sweeter than the aroma. The first flavors that pour out are the dark ripe fruits with raisin, fig, prune coupled with a candy like sweetness that gives off butterscotch, caramel, molasses and some slight earthy or wood tones. Sweetness is strong and lasting with the alcohol flavor kicking in at the end. You taste this beer long after its gone from the mouth.

M: Full, coating, syrupy sweet (almost cloying), lasting with the abv poking out for sure.

O: A very good beer that is hurt by the overall huge sweetness. Limited quantities can only be tolerated as the sweetness just keeps coming and coming. Very complex and it would make a fantastic dessert beer.

This was a very good beer, but not my bag with the huge sweetness. Still, I'm very glad I got to try it.

Kadonny, Mar 22, 2011
Photo of s1ckboy
3.9/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Nice off white head. Deep red body

S - Amazing. Very sweet. Caramel, burnt sugar, molasses dark fruits, a touch of alcohol.

T - Some caramel and dark fruits. Alcohol is very well hidden. A good amount of bitterness coming through at the end. Could use some age. A bit of a disappointment after smelling it.

M - On the thinner side of medium. A bit sticky and syrupy.

O - A decent old ale, definitly not my favorite. I very much prefer the barrel aged version.

s1ckboy, Oct 01, 2011
Photo of Alieniloquium
3.91/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter. 2010 vintage.

Appearance - Deep brown with a surprising head. Wispy surface with a thin collar. Leggy on the swirl.

Smell - Mmm. A bit of oxidation, some wet sock aroma, delicious. Deep earthy caramel aroma.

Taste - Nutty malt flavor, earthy hops. Slightly less impressive than the smell. No real sweetness. Bitter finish. No booze.

Mouthfeel - No alcohol or sweetness. It's a sipper, but it's not really difficult to drink. Medium carbonation.

Overall - Nowhere near as good as the barrel aged version, but still an impressive beer.

Alieniloquium, Apr 03, 2013
Photo of shbobdb
3.93/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

This beer is caramel coffee. What a delightful idea! I think I will start my day out with that tomorrow, caramel coffee.
Rich and sweet, with a definate coffee/bitter chocolate presence rounded off with deep prunes and Kirschwasser.
This is a mighty tastey beer. There are hops in this brew . . . somewhere, but they are so dominated by the malts in the flavour profile that you really only notice it when you either smell the beer (where it is mixed with beautiful malts and booze) or in the lingering aftertaste.
Even the mouthfeel is nice. Thin, yet round. Very tastey. I really like it.
The booze is still a little too present, though. The one mark against an amazing beer. The goodness wins out over the badness though.
Yummy.

shbobdb, Mar 29, 2006
Photo of ahking
3.93/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

Piney, citrusy, and fruit punch aromas attack your nose. Super smooth and malty with enough hops present to remind you this is beer. Deep ruby/mahogany colors. Full and chewy mouthfeel.Very tasty ale; I want to drink more, but high ABV prevents that. I really like this beer. True testament to how good it is: I would drink this beer warm and flat!

ahking, Jun 03, 2005
Photo of malty
3.93/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Enjoyed on a Monday late afternoon lunch at HopCat in Grand Rapids.

Poured into a stemmed tulip chalice a dark crimson with plum hilights. A thin khaki head settles to a mere 1/8" but stays creamy and dense. The liquid is perfectly clear with no signs of upward carbonation.

The scent is minimal. It lurks and shrugs when put under my nostrils. After a few swirls, Boozy malts laden with concord grapes evokes.

The flavors are thick and bright with what reminds me of stomped on Fig Newtons. A few sips in, a warming sherry note takes charge with a Christmas fruit cake backdrop.

Mouthfeel is full bodied to the max. with light but lifting fine carbonation. Warming and full flavored, somewhat spicy finish.

Drinkabilty is good. I definitely will be satisfied with this 13 oz. pour.

Glad I got to finally savor this gentle beast at my favorite beer bar. It's pretty much impossible to find this anywhere, so im very thankful HopCat brought in a keg. Great stuff on a sunny laidback winter afternoon.

malty, Mar 07, 2011
Photo of SaucyA
3.93/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

2007. Cellar temp.

A - Poured into a Kuhnhenn tulip. Deep, dark brown with a lovely 1 finger, light tan head. Lots of bubbles ride the glass. Fantastic frothy lace. Noticeable carbonation dies down quickly, yet head never fades.

S - So nice... and very Kuhnhenn. There are a few smells that come to be commonplace in their big brews. Deep malt base, coupled with fruity esters. Raisins, molasses, alcohol.

T - Super roasty malts, big alcohol finish, noticeable hop bittering as well as bitter roasted malts. Slight coffee affects, as well as molasses. Melted bittersweet chocolate. Sweet, slightly sour, slightly bitter... will knock your tastebuds around.

M - I wouldn't mind if it were thicker. The carbonation and creaminess are on point, just seems like it could use a little more viscosity.

D - One and done. I love Fourth Dementia, but having more than one glass is asking for it.

Notes: This is a fine brew, but Ola Dubh 16 and Adam are both a little better from the bottle. Fourth Dementia is a bit better on tap.

SaucyA, Nov 02, 2008
Photo of Stocean1
3.95/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured a one finger head, upon an amber body, a beige head tops it off with good retention - slowly down to a nice collar of foam, fine bubbles.

Smell is caramel, dark fruit and booze.

Taste follows the nose with apricot and alcohol. Very earhty with a hint of sweet tarts.

Mouth is dry, sweet, warming alcohol however towards the end the booze began to dominate, tart, and not particularly smooth.

O - a decent brew with complexities I enjoy trying but I can not say I would seek it out.

Stocean1, Nov 01, 2011
Photo of brewtechnik
3.95/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A: Looks like muddy water when poured into my glass. Zero head.

S: Malt Bomb! Resembles Utopias, lots of ethanol mixed with caramel, raison, chocolate, and, well, malt. Oak also comes through. Almost no hop character.

T: Very slight bitterness, alcohol presence right away, and lingers. Again, malt forward with lots of sweetness but not cloying. Lots of dark fruit flavors in the background. The oak character is perfect.

M: Thinner than I would expect, alcohol lingers but is not hot. low bitterness. Very-very low carbonation.

O: If you like the Utopias "style" of beer, then you would enjoy this. Lots of malt, very low hop character and low carbonation. But, very delicious and boozy. I feel good after just one :)

brewtechnik, Oct 26, 2011
Photo of drabmuh
3.95/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by Matt recently after I told him this beer was on my "long list." THANKS MATT!

Served in a snifter. Beer is dark brown and forms a thin off white head that still leaves some lacing on the glass but overall carbonation levels appear low. Looks OK

Aroma is dark fruits like raisins, sweetness with a back drop of apricots and pears. Interesting. May be slightly oxidized.

Beer is sweet with an apple middle and dry finish. The forward beer is thin but the body fills out in the midpalate somehow to finish with a medium to full body. Interesting. I think this beer would benefit from some age on it. Dirnkability was pretty good, mouthfeel was confusing.

drabmuh, Jul 02, 2010
Photo of Sammy
3.98/5  rDev -7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

2004 bottle. Barleywine aroma. Yeast, lace. Good carbonation. Sweetness and accompanying spicey yeast, pineapple. The alcohol is ever present and a medium-full mouthfeel. Would love to try again in a year and again in five. Thanks Tim(IPFreely)for sharing. Second bottle 5 months later, harshness on mouth after the first few sips.
Six years later and somewhat sour. Great labels though.
Nine years later and very smooth spices, cola, caramel.

Sammy, Jul 05, 2005
Photo of illidurit
3.98/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

07 bottle courtesy bret27. Pours a murky orange-brown with barely any tan head. Aroma is big on tropical fruit and caramel. Flavor is similar, monstrous body with tons of caramel, ripe citrus and figs. Alcohol really isn't that noticeable. It's warming but well-integrated. Very rich and full-bodied, a good slow-sipper.

illidurit, Nov 21, 2009
Photo of younger35
3.98/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Received this brew quite some time back. This will be my third brew from Kuhnhenn and so far I'm not overly impressed. Drank from my Ithaca Excelsior tulip. Non dated bottle, which according to my buddy means this is pre 2007.

Appearance- Pours a very dark brownish red with a small half finger white head that recedes quickly. A lily pad cap is left with a very thin collar that leaves zero lacing.
Smell- Very fruity and dark with a strong raisin and fig scent. Some berry tones as well consisting of blackberry's and raspberries. Loads of caramel and brown sugar as well as sherry and candied cherries. Perhaps a touch of vanilla as the beer seems to smell sweeter as it warms.
Taste- Much like the nose it starts exceedingly fruity with booze soaked cherries and figs. The alcohol has a fairly significant bite yet the beer remains amazingly smooth. Loads of toffee, brown sugar, molasses and sherry seem to coat my entire mouth. Some light accents of chocolate and sherbet give way to deep earthy tones of tobacco and leather. A lingering bit of fruit and slight astringency finish the beer.
Mouthfeel- Not overly full or really all that heavy considering how big this brew is. Very lightly carbonated with a slick warming feel.
Drinkability- Well considering I'm not a huge Old Ale fan I did really enjoy this brew. It took me quite awhile to finish this brew but I did enjoy the heck out of it. It was a nice change of pace from my usual choices. Tasty stuff!

younger35, Apr 18, 2009
Photo of Schlais
4/5  rDev -6.5%

Schlais, Jun 12, 2013
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4/5  rDev -6.5%

Callmecoon, May 23, 2013
Photo of tjthresh
4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours brown with some nice reddish hues. There's a ring of dirty white foam around the edge. Bold nose with cherry pits, Werthers candies, Tootsie Rolls, and a bit of chewing tobacco. The flavor is rich with chocolate and chew. If they actually made chewing tobacco that tastes like this, I made pick it up again. Full body with just a bit of carbonation and a sweet finish. Very yummy stuff.

tjthresh, Feb 11, 2009
Photo of badbeer
4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Garnet color with a beige head that quickly recedes to a ring around the glass and leaves spotty lacing. Aroma is quite sweet with caramel, toffee, and dark fruit, but there still is a noticeable amount of hops (English variety?). Taste is vinous, has some brown sugar, dark fruits, a hint of spice it seems, and some grassy hops also coming through. Light carbonation and medium to full bodied. An enjoyable beer. Bottle courtesy of hoppymeal.

badbeer, Jan 03, 2009
Photo of OStrungT
4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer pours a cloudy dark brown color with a slight reddish tint. It has a thin tan head. The head fades fast, leaving a small layer of head, with a decent lacing.

This beer has a very sweet aroma. It has a strong caramel malt aroma. I smell some dark fruit. Some plumbs, and figs. Behind that, I get a chocolate aroma.

This beer tastes exactly like it smells. Very sweet. A strong malty tasting beer. I taste the dark fruits as well. A slight chocolate flavor is also present.

This beer is very full bodied. It warms the throat as it goes down. It is low in carbonation, well for the style.

I doubt this beer would make a great session beer. It has a very aggressive, sweet flavor. Also, it is a little high in alcohol.

Overall: Thanks to Faro for this beer. Although not my favorite style, I do like to have one every not and again. This one is good.

OStrungT, Oct 31, 2007
Photo of acurtis
4/5  rDev -6.5%

acurtis, Feb 03, 2012
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4/5  rDev -6.5%

DerekQXQX, Apr 27, 2014
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4/5  rDev -6.5%

Beerontwowheels, Sep 24, 2013
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4/5  rDev -6.5%

MrVonzipper, Jan 24, 2013
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 873 ratings.