Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Reviews: 446
Hads: 987
rAvg: 4.24
pDev: 6.37%
Wants: 594
Gots: 217 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Reviews: 446 | Hads: 987
Photo of cooncat
3.58/5  rDev -15.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Serving was on tap at the Brew Kettle's 2008 Ogre Fest (Strongsville, OH.)

Appearance is a deep garnet color of good clarity. Minimal head and lacing, which is to be expected for a beer of this strength.

Unfortunately, this was not served in the proper glassware to extract a good sense of the true nose. What I got was light, but decidedly fruity with faint notes of alcohol. The taste is of dark fruits; raisins and plums come to mind. Supposedly, this has a 30 IBU rating, but those hops are completely hidden by the full bodied fruitiness of the sweet malts. The sweetness is almost to the point of being cloying, but doesn't cross the line ... but only by the closest margin. The sweet fruity flavor last to the end, at which time the alcohol makes a showing in some warmth. This is hard to make out as an Old ale, when it is so close to a Strong Ale and/or a barleywine. The sweetness would make for a fine after dinner drink, but I don't think you could do more than one.

An interesting offering, and Kuhnhenn certainly has produced yet another 'extreme' beer in the 4th Dimentia. Worth seeking out and trying.

Cheers (1,128 characters)

Photo of darklordlager
3.6/5  rDev -15.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (Olde Ale 2008 Brewery Aged)
Received in a trade with Randalld quite a while ago--thanks Randall!

A: Pours with a very small amount of carbonation, a light brown with garnet hints. I think a bit of yeast may have slipped by, as I was not aware it was bottle conditioned.
3.5

S: Rich figs, dark fruit, caramel, bread pudding, alcohol. Licorice notes, and a small amount of oxidation. Maple, as it warms.
3.5

T: Layered caramel, cake-y, bready, soy sauce, salty, licorice. Butterscotch/maple syrup emerges as it warms.
3.5

M: Very thin, with very low carbonation. I would have like to see a bit more of each.
2.5

D: Hides the alcohol like a dream, but the lack of body and carbonation make it less than it could be in my opinion.
3.5 (766 characters)

Photo of oregone
3.63/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Dark amber. Good, prodigious (surprisingly so) light cream head with solid retention.
S: Traecle, molasses and alcohol. Good, but little beyond the sweet caramelized flavors, and the booze was aparent.
T:Smell specific. Boozy in a not subtle way, though somewhat expected. Lots of dark caramel and molasses. Some caramelized orange peel and more brandy dessert flavors.
M: Best part of the brew. Carbonaion kept the huge viscocity fresh. Thick and rich but not tiresome. Sticky on the lips, but fresh on the palate.
O: Good. Would drink again, albeit not search it out. A dessert beer for sure and perhaps the size wasn't matched with enough complexity or balance for me. I love big brew, but this wasn't exciting. (717 characters)

Photo of bret27
3.63/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

2007, 2+ yr old bottle.

A: Brown/amber, minimal light brown head.

S: Heavy malt sweetness

T: Bready, malty, sweet, vanilla, citrus notes, alcohol.

M: Fairly thick + full bodied.

D: Pretty thick w/alcohol presence pretty strong. So not so great.

O: Pretty good solid beer, but not mind-blowing, or something to drink all the time. Not sure if the age helps or hurts this beer. There just wasn't a whole lot of flavor coming out of it for me. (446 characters)

Photo of Gmann
3.64/5  rDev -14.2%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dirty cola brown color with little to no head, meh.

The aroma has an intense raisin aroma with notes of caramel and toffee. Quite sweet. Some honey and booze soaked cherries; rum cake.

The taste starts off sweet like the aroma but does have somewhat of an earthy balance. Sweet caramel, honey, and prune juice kick things off and are expected in an old ale. Then comes a wave of burnt caramel that adds some needed bitterness and a strong tea like flavor that you find in amber ales. And just as the label suggests, I get the toasted marshmellow flavor. They really nailed that one, never tasted roasted marshmellow in a beer before. Some boozy cherry sweetness as well.

The feel is a bit of a mess. It is sticky, syrupy and yet some how dry?!? Significant amount of earthy bitterness balances out the crazy sweetness but it some how really drys the beer out. Bizarre. The lingering effects not entirely pleasant. I'm really not digg'n the feel.

I dunno, the beer has some big bold flavors but they seem to contrast each other. The beer needs a bitter offset but I find that they went too dry with an acrid bitterness. Doesn't blend as an old ale should. Perhaps it needs some major aging. (1,201 characters)

Photo of dragonWhale
3.64/5  rDev -14.2%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

An angry pop..like Huck Finn's father, and the glass fills.
Dark brown, a low film of carb that fades but clings to hope and moves out to the edge of the snifter.
Style says low aromatics, but this beer is anything but. A very sexy barleywinish caramel and oxidized malt characteristic. Complimentary booze aroma is exhausting in my brain. Figs dance like drunk assholes in my mouth. Why does this smell so amazing? Heard some peoples talkin some shit bout this beer, but it smells amazing.
Hard phenolics, strong booze. Sharpness, needs some more time but has the potential to amaze and bewilder even the most complicated of women (or men). Time will certainly tell the tale on this bottled contraption. The sharpness of the characteristics that may make this a fantastic beverage are the only things holding it back. Give this vintage 3 years, it should be amazing. My needs involve picking up another bottle or 3.
2010 vintage.. (931 characters)

Photo of EnemyWithin
3.65/5  rDev -13.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2010 4D Olde Ale into Duvel tulip.

Appearance - 3

Red amber with very small creamy golden head, just forming a thin rim around the circumference.

Smell – 3.5

Very malty. Molasses, brown sugar, sticky sweet malt with notes candy sugar. Spicy aroma with booze notes.

Taste - 4

Starts with a caramel, toffee body with a presence of alcohol. Near the end, a spike of brown sugar and spice, with just a mild bitterness at the end. Get a fair amount of warmth from the alcohol, but not overly powerful. Flavours improves as beer warms and opns – flavours soften up and become much improved.

Mouthfeel – 3.5

Moderate thickness, a littly sticky, not really creamy. Wondering if the little carbonation is typical. A bit of astringency from the hops.

Overall - 4

A sipper, for sure! A nice beer that shows significant improvement as it warms up. Not a style that I've had before, but in many ways it reminds me of a barley wine. At first, put off but as I tasted it more, began to enjoy it. Would have again, especially during winter. Recommend. (1,055 characters)

Photo of CaseyK
3.66/5  rDev -13.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Thanks to mbrasi for the extra. 2009 version.
A: A reddish brown color, pours a slightly brown creamy head. A nice looking beer, looks dark and delicious.

S: Dark fruits and a sweet taste, caramel. Smells like this is going to taste boozy.

T: Taste starts out sweet, malt and caramel dominate. Then the flavor moves on to a strong dark fruit flavor, I'd say raisins. Dark fruit taste lingers on the tongue long after your sip. This beer is too sweet in my opinion but the flavors are interesting.

M: Full bodied and a bit sticky from the sweetness.

D: I'm really enjoying this beer, but the ABV is very obvious and I couldn't see myself drinking more than one at a time.

O: Overall I'm glad I got to try this beer, I'd been interested in it for a while now. (765 characters)

Photo of kkipple
3.67/5  rDev -13.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

My buddy snagged a bottle of this at DLD 2008 and was kind enough to break it out near the end of a recent tasting. From notes:

A. Dingy, not quite clear brown. Soupy. Lingering 2cm tan head. Not much active carbonation.

S. Hmm, classic Kuhnhenn over-the-top nose. Lucious and sweet with loads of sugar from all different colors. Pine-like and bitter from a large amounts of hops that haven't died out yet. Some chocolate and plums are lurking in there too... oh yeah, and a distinct boozy, barleywine like aroma. Complex, but a little hot and doesn't come together *quite* as well as it could.

T. How unusual... this is very aggressive and flavorful. Bitter hops, sweet syrupy caramel and some nearly sour, tart fruit (or fermentation character) all are on stage here. Surprisingly hoppy and bold for an old ale, perhaps this is a young bottle? A little oxidized and sherry like too. Cherries are hidden under the pile of other flavors, oddly. Overall it's brash and eye opening. Sweetness is a bit over the top (like a lot of Kuhnhenn's brews), but ok for the style. This is good, but young and rough.

M. Warm, boozy, sticky and generally dense. Finishes bittersweet and sugary / hoppy.

D. Not so great. Too much going on that doesn't mesh well. Fourth Dementia is likely a decent sipper for a cold night, but I also bet it improves greatly with a couple years. (1,369 characters)

Photo of Retail1LO
3.68/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

From notes on 4/4/12

Pours a garnet/ruddy reddish brown with a 1 finger head via a vigorous pour. Rich plum scent w/ other dark fruits. Brown sugar. Also some caramel and vanilla. Pretty underwhelming, really. Taste is sweet and boozy, slightly astringent. More dark fruits and brown sugars. Tasty indeed. The mouth is smooth with an odd sweet/tart thing going on. Some mild heat and a touch of bitterness. Solid beer that goes down way too easily for being 13.5% (464 characters)

Photo of Pencible
3.68/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

2008 vintage. This poured a hazy reddish mahogany with lots of light tan head. It smelled like earthy cocoa and musty roasted barley, with some coffee and cream and molasses. It tasted like super sweet prunes and molasses and raisins, with some honey wheat and rich brown sugar. This is the definition of cloying sweetness. It was somewhat thick with a bit of carbonation, and had a lasting bittersweet aftertaste. Overall this had a strange scent for an old ale, with a powerful taste that wasn't very complex but instead just a barrage of sweet dark fruits. It had good body, and hid the alcohol fairly well. But this really needs to be sipped due to all the sugar. A decent beer, but not really one of my favorite old ales. (726 characters)

Photo of 4DAloveofSTOUT
3.7/5  rDev -12.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

aquired as an extra in trade with kdub87. Thanks!

Poured into tulip glass.

Appearance: ruby red body almost brownish in color. Head is light tan in color. Sone decent lacing here.

Taste: Nice malty beer with the flavor of ale yeast that makes its slf know as well. Malts taste of sweet caramel and toffee. Some dark fruits linger around in the back ground of the beer. Alcohol is present in a very minor way and has no boozy burn. Its really nice and malty!

Mouthfeel: Creamy and smooth. Full bodied and moderate carbonation.

Overall: Solid beer by Kuhnhenn. This is my first beer by this brewery. I think I prefer Founders Curmugedeon, but this beer is still on the same scale! Thanks Kirk! Up next is the Barrell aged version! (733 characters)

Photo of Tone
3.7/5  rDev -12.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a clear, amber color. 1/4 inch head of an off-white color. Decent retention and decent lacing. Smells of alcohol, sweet malt, and slight dark citrus. Fits the style of an Old Ale. Mouth feel is sharp and crisp with an average carbonation level. Tastes of strong alcohol, sweet malt, dark citrus, slight hop, slight vanilla, and slight tart malt. Overall, a good body, but the blend is off (too strong of alcohol). (419 characters)

Photo of Phelps
3.7/5  rDev -12.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Sent by nlmartin as part of the Blind Beers BIF, this one was the 2010 edition, poured from a 12-ounce bottle into a snifter and reviewed blind.

A beautiful, mostly clear maroon topped with a half-finger, cream-colored head that fizzles away without much notice. A thin ring is all that remains, and there’s no lace — though I wouldn’t really expect much from such a boozy brew.

The aroma is fairly light, but I get some dark, sugary fruits and malts. Prunes, dark toasted bread, raisins, brown and candy sugar. Deep and sweet.

When cold, I get hints of soy and teriyaki in the flavor, along with acrid, roasted bread. As it warms, sweeter flavors emerge: raisins, caramel, toffee, bread pudding. The finish is mostly dry, with lingering notes of burnt bread.

The buttery medium body feels quite nice, and the alcohol is definitely there, though it’s not as powerful as I’d expect from a beer that’s 28-proof. Carbonation massages the tongue lightly and fizzes up the soft body just a bit as it moves.

Not bad at all, but I expect more complexity from ales as strong as this. It’s just too one-dimensional. (1,129 characters)

Photo of joefuzz
3.7/5  rDev -12.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

2011 vintage poured into snifter

pours dark brown with a slight ruby tint some tiny little bubbles circle the edge of the glass

smells more kind of like a burnt marsh mellow with a huge alcohol presence

tastes brings raisins plums and other dark fruits to mind with a nice sugary sweetness slight alcohol burn

carbonation is almost non existent and a very thick coating mouthfeel

overall very good sipper i'm going to sit on a few for a little while and see how they do.... i should crack my 09 soon to try the lower alcohol version (538 characters)

Photo of wordemupg
3.71/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

355ml bottle poured into tulip 6/6/12 thanks liamt07 for the bottle

A dark reddish brown with only a very short lived thin film for head and it leaves zero lace

S lots of burnt brown sugar and rum soaked raisins, molasses and some teriyaki beef jerky smells better then it sounds, heavy on the soft caramels and a little booze but nothing compared to the 13.5% listed on the bottle

T sweeter then the smell somehow with just a little soy, tastes slightly oxidized and not as nice as the nose, some cherry liquor I didn't smell and a slightly nutty aspect

M not quite flat but very little carbonation, quite sticky on the lips but not much heat considering the strength, a little syrupy

O booze is well concealed and it smells great but not blowing me away in other areas, decent beer but I'm going too be well below the average with this one

I'm not sure what to make of this one, well concealed booze and it smells great but not quite what I was hoping for elsewhere. Even if this is a off bottle its still easy enough too drink (1,041 characters)

Photo of billshmeinke
3.71/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle poured into pint glass. Extra from a trade with triptens, thanks.

Hard pour yields a one finger yellowish/cream head. Quickly resides to a layer of foam on top. Dark brown/amber in color. Not much lacing.

Smells of candied plumbs, figs, red licorice, brown sugar and toffee. Quite pungent.

Tastes of candied plumbs, figs, red licorice, brown sugar, toffee, caramel, a vague nutty characteristic and some earthy/leafy hops. A lingering sweetness and slight bitterness. Quite sweet, not enough bitterness to balance it out. Sweetness is slightly cloying after a little while.

Pretty full bodied, medium carbonation. A bit creamy. A little hot.

Pretty decent drinkability. The abv is veeeery well hidden (almost dangerously so). It is almost too sweet and candy-like. Reminiscent of sugar coated dark fruits. (817 characters)

Photo of n2185
3.72/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.75

A: pours a dark brown with half a finger of beige head that recedes into a thin ring with no lacing.

S: loads of caramel malts, vanilla, toffee, and sweet breads.

T: similar to the aroma, caramel and toffee dominate with sweet breads, vanilla, and a light alcohol burn. Somewhat Port-like.

M: thick body with low carbonation, this beer is sticky sweet.

O: a pretty decent old ale overall. It's a little on the sweet side with the high alcohol, but avoids being cloying. (473 characters)

Photo of Blanco
3.72/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

this is a huge beer at 13.5% and the alcohol is there, but is not an issue. It's mostly just warming in the chest. Flavor is intensely complex with all the variations of maltiness: caramel, toffee, butterscotch, and molasses. Hints of chocolate and tootsie roll as well. Lots of residual sweetness.

I'm not sure what I think of this. I'm generally very iffy when it comes to malty brews in the old ale/barleywine category. I dislike most, but absolutely love some. And so i keep buying them. Not sure where I fall here. It's one where I don't think I can personally appreciate everything it brings. This is a true malt lovers dream though, and as I mentioned the complexity is impressive. (690 characters)

Photo of warnerry
3.73/5  rDev -12%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a deep brown w ruby red highlight. No head or lacing to speak of. Smells of raisins and other dark dried fruits, lots of caramel and unfortunately very apparent alcohol. The initial taste is hot alcohol, followed by raisins and figs and a bit of earthiness. Also quite a bit of sweet caramel malts and a hint of smoke. Finishes a bit bitter. Pretty full mouthfeel, but not overwhelmingly heavy. Leaves some lingering bitterness. Overall, this is a bit too fresh perhaps, as the alcohol is quite apparent. However, the alcohol presence doesn't ruin this by any means. I have a few bottles that I look forward to trying after a year or two. This is definitely a sipper, but a nice old ale. Doesn't hold up to the barrel-aged version though. (744 characters)

Photo of bradford
3.73/5  rDev -12%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle, 2007 version received in a trade from gkatsoris several months ago.
Pours a deep brown with reddish hues, almost opaque but a hint of light squeaks through the tulip glass just under the foam head. Off white foam with slowly dissipating lacing leaves the glass sticky after each sip.
Smells bready and nutty with hints of chocolate and carmel. No discernable hops or presence of alcohol in the nose.
Thick and creamy with a definite alcohol taste with a sweet and sticky finish.
Mouthfeel is very rich and creamy that finishes smooth and warms the mouth and throat.
Very easy drinking and an enjoyable experience. (628 characters)

Photo of Jwale73
3.73/5  rDev -12%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz. bottle courtesy of jdiddy. 2008 vintage. Pours a hazy auburn with a frothy, cream-colored two inch head. Nose suggests figs, prunes, a metallic element, as well as a savory herbal character. There's also perhaps a hint of candy and pepper. Taste is sweet, savory and a touch smokey. Mouthfeel is medium-bodied with a lively carbonation. An interesting beer, perhaps still a little young. Just not what I expected. (419 characters)

Photo of Gueuzedude
3.75/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottled August 2004; Sampled February 2008
A vigorous pour produces a half-finger thick, frothy, large bubbled head that is a dark tan, lightly amber tinged color. The beer is a burnt amber color and shows brilliantly clear, though chunky, deep ruby hue when held up to the light. Rich concentrated aromatics of oxidized malt extract, sherry, buttery toffee, caramelized berry notes, chewy grain and toasted brown sugar encrusted whole grain bread. A touch of warming alcohol combines with the fruit notes to provide some soft notes reminiscent of a refined brandy. As the beer aerates a bit it becomes quite a bit more fruit focused, the berry notes become much more noticeable as the aged malt notes reminiscent of Sherry meld into the fruit character.

Sweet up front, but this seems to dry out fairly quickly. The beer is quite light bodied for its strength, but still has a fullness to it; along with the ample alcohol, the body easily makes this a sipping brew. Chewy, caramelized malt notes combine with aged Sherry flavors, fruity raisin notes and browned, whole grain bread-like notes. The hop merely play a supporting role here, but do provide some flavor to this brew; soft herbal notes are found up front and pick up some steam with a herbal, slightly astringent, bitter note by the time we get to the long, lingering finish. Actually because this beer is not overly sweet, the hop character that is here provides a nicely balanced note between hop and malt. The alcohol, while not aggressive, is most certainly here and provides a warming character that sort of radiates down my throat. The finish has a bit of dark grain character to it as well; at times hints of chocolate and perhaps a hint of roast grain becomes noticeable.

Tasty, contemplative and interesting, I have a feeling this is close to peaking. When younger I think it would have been too sweet for my tastes, but the oxidation has started to temper this brew & the still noticeable hop character adds a nice balance to the rich, layered malt character. Not bad, but something seems to keep this from being great; perhaps it is a lack of a certain rich, complexity. (2,144 characters)

Photo of bennetj17
3.77/5  rDev -11.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Thanks to BigDaddyWil for this Michigan treat. Bottled Feb 16, 2005. Dark, syrupy and brown, very little visible carbonation resulting in no foam at all. Very murky/ cloudy also. Raisin, toffee, caramel and a spot of alcohol in the nose, basically a lot of malt. The flavor is much the same, rich caramel and coffee, lightly smoked, dark raspberry and cherry. The finish carries a light buttery sweetness but also some hop tang creating some bitter notes. The mouthfeel is a bit flat from the lack of carbonation, but the syrupy thickness gives it some depth still. Overall, this was a malt bomb with a bit of age on it. I think I would have preferred it younger, although I suspect many of you would enjoy it just fine as is. Worth a try... (741 characters)

Photo of augustgarage
3.78/5  rDev -10.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Received quite some time ago in trade, I forget who (thanks in any case!). 2010 vintage. Poured from a 12oz bottle into my Spirit Sippers snifter.

Coppery liquid glows a dark chestnut color when held to the light. Clear but very dark. A vigorous pour yields a pale apricot collar and surface slick. Good retention considering the age and ABV. Very fine pasty lacing and a fine sheen of lacquer is left around the rim.

Sweet, deeply malty, gently vinuous aromatics suggest burnt sugar, caramel malt, figs, dates, and berries and leather.

Potent grainy palate entry suggests an array of specialty malt, richly roasted and toasted to various degrees from light to black; a fruitiness emerges as well as does a mild sherry/port-like quality (more from fruit/alcohol than any oxidation). Hops are subdued throughout. Alcohol is strong and cuts through the flavor profile a bit much. Finishes warm and woody with an increasing dryness in the aftertaste despite the initial presence of sugars.

Medium-bodied, oily, with adequate carbonation.

A well crafted yet not entirely integrated example of the style - other than mellowing the alcohol further I'm not sure this would benefit from extended cellaring...better served to contrast a strong cheese. (1,249 characters)

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
94 out of 100 based on 446 ratings.