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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Reviews: 445
Hads: 998
Avg: 4.26
pDev: 13.62%
Wants: 601
Gots: 219 | FT: 25
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Photo of wagenvolks
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I absolutely love this beer. Many thanks to Deniz (JDV) for hooking me up with a killer freebie!

My pour slowly fills the Corsendonk tulip with an opaque, mahogany-plum body, while a thick, fluffy cap of manila foam slowly recedes, clinging to the edges of the glass. Exceptional aroma on this Old Ale, as melted butterscotch and caramel candies balance with a kiss of dusty chocolate and a ton of dark fruit. I'm literally having to swat away the fruit flies from this beer, as notes of raisin, honeydew, and plum repeatedly draw them (and my nose) to the glass.

Man, this stuff is good. Starts off with a thick sweetness of dark raspberry and toffee, before quickly giving way to earthy chocolate nibs and a touch of oxidation. The 9.5% ABV is hidden very well, as a kiss of raisin rum lingers on the finish with some musty hops. Creamy, velvety-smooth mouthfeel to the thick body, and the carbonation level is spot-on. I hope old age is like this Old Ale...that way, I'd look forward to getting 4th Dementia!

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Photo of CaptCleveland
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle from 2011, poured into snifter.

Ruby-black, nearly opaque, elixir, thin tan rim, no lacing.

Incredible aroma of toffee, caramel, dark fruits, hint of malt sweetness.

Starts with fig, prune, dark fruits, some sweet caramel at the back end, then a nice smooth sugar, plum aftertaste. Delightful.

Thick, full body, but smooth with the feel of a nicely aged dark fruit shake.

One of the best non-BA old ales I have had the pleasure to consume. A wonderful sipper on nice fall evening. Well done.

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Photo of Crittervision
4.53/5  rDev +6.3%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

thanks to triptens for this. split with beavers.

body is a yeast-clouded maroon-tinted brown with an everlasting eighth to quarter-inch creamy, frothy head. simply beautiful.

smell is of fermented prune juice, hints of black pepper, bready sweetness, lightly cinnamony (mike said spiced apples, yes yes)

that brown-sugary bready sweetness from the nose is precisely mirrored in the taste. macerated prunes. black pepper just noticeable after it warms a bit. hint of tobacco. very reminiscent of jw lees. a slight bitterness and a roastiness round it out wonderfully.

ultra smooth, mouth is full of creamy goodness.

incredible. the heat becomes apparent on warming, but definitely within reason. alcohol stays masked behind everything. exquisite.

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Photo of brewcrew76
4.53/5  rDev +6.3%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottled on 2-16-05 - Best before 2011

A - Pours deep brown with mahogany and ruby highlights with the smallest tan head that disappeared immediately.

S - Rich caramel and toffee, rum soaked raisin, figs, prunes, dates, molasses and a woody, earthy leather smell.

T - Sweet rich caramel, carmalized brown sugar, nutty, molasses, woody bourbon like alcohol, dark fruits, raisins and a hint of vanilla. Complex.

M - Thick with little carbonation but not quite syrupy. Alcohol is noticeable but compliments flavor instead of taking anything away.

D - Hands down the best old ale I have tried. A very nice sipper.

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Photo of RoyalT
4.54/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance – There was a surprising head to this high-octane ale. The body was a dirty, filthy, pond scum brown with some light carbonation.

Smell – This was the ale’s strong point, IMHO. I just loved that raunchy, booze-soaked, woody malt smell that never did give up. The sweetness is very subdued, keeping the focus on the malts. Nicely done in a conservative sort of way.

Taste – This ale melts in your mouth. It reminds me a bit of Old Woody with all the wood character in the flavor profile. It’s not “oaky” but more like a malty wood, if that makes any sense. Either way, it’s killer. It reminds me a bit of their FUV BOP special : )

There are a few more sweets to be had at the taste, but not much more. The sugars that are there are more like raw cane than anything else. You might find some maple in here if you look hard enough. All in all this is an amazing flavor profile that begs for further examination as the ale warms.

Mouthfeel – This is on the big side of medium-bodied and almost flat with some old school bitterness on the back of the tongue and an unapologetic alcohol sting throughout.

Drinkability – The raunchy wood and stinging booze may be too much for some, but fans of the Old Ale style will unquestionably enjoy sampling this Kuhnhenn effort.

Comments – I will be forever indebted to garthwaite for sending this Old Ale out to Seattle. Cheers and beers!

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4.54/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

An inch and a half of stryfoam like fuzzy deep tan head has excellent retention. Body is a super dark, almost black brown in color. Huge notes of bourbon, molasses, vanilla and hot buttered toffee like malt are very attractive on the nose. Enters the mouth with some initially soured dark fruit but that quickly yeilds to a rich carmalized maltieness. You get some biscuity notes along with phelonic notes including vanilla, toffee, and crisp candied peanut butter. Dark berries are met with some hop based bitter at the end of the palate. Mouthfeel is of dark fruit and a nice bitter feel. It is a joy to drink this big sipper of a brew.

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Photo of Gushue3
4.54/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks a ton to nkersten for this and many other excellent beers in the heavy metal LIF. Long time want that I cant wait to crack.

A- Nice clear transparent light brown while being poured. About a 1 finger off white head forms that doesnt have much retention. The body is very dark brown and can only been seen through toward the bottom of my snfter. The body there is brown sugar meets amber red. looks nice. 4

S- VERY nice scent! Big sweet maltis all over the place with some vanilla, dark druits, leather and alcohol. Lots of big stinks in here. I wish there was a candle of this, one of the best smelling beers in had. 5

T- Nice sweetness upfront that follows to the end. On the finish the sweetness breaks into its components of toffee, caramel, vanilla and a light roast. Some alcohol burn in the throat but nothing too big. Excellent flavor that masks the 13.5% very well. 4.5

M- Lighter mouthfeel that feels somewhat syrupy. Not really much carbonation to speak of makes this really smooth. 4

O- I'm relatively new to this style but i know that this is an excellent beer. The Flavor and taste are great and I wish I could get more of this or try BB4D.

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Photo of grandq
4.54/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

man, i just wanna stick my nose down in the bottle. smells like caramelized sugar, maple, some fig maybe. Taken altogether, this calls to mind a fresh baked rum raisin cake. Taste is sweet - all sweetness from fruits in the redish-to-brown spectrum, raisin, cherry, prune. etc. Caramel creeps along (not too much, as that's not a favorite flavor) and gives way to a slight hop bite that warms up the last few notes, leaving off with maple syrup more or less. The mouthfeel is silky smooth, not too much carbonation. An excellent sipper that isn't forcing you to sip with big alcohol, big malt, big hops - just asking you to savor. Definitely way up there in the style for me, even beats out Third Coast IMO.

Another big thank you to Hoppymeal for another great beer from Kuhnhenn.

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Photo of alcstradamus
4.55/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5


Poured this one a little too quickly and overflowed my 16 oz. glass with 4 fingers of head. Caught me off guard since I didn't have that problem a couple weeks ago when I tried it for the first time. Anyway...dark brown in color with a bit of sticky lacing in places. Great retention. Smell is deep dark fruits and earthy hops. If this was magnified a little bit it would be something special, but I suppose subtlety is nice too. The taste is absolutely magnificent. This is called an "old ale" but if I did a blind tasting I would assume it was an English Barleywine. A sharp sting of dark fruits hits you quickly, with some wood characteristics and a complex mash of other goodies underneath. Full bodied and highly drinkable at 11.8%. This is an incredible beer.

12/26 UPDATE 2009 RELEASE: I think my '08 bottle may have been infected because I just poured an '09 and the head was much smaller. Luckily, it didn't taste that way at the time.

I have already noticed that the nose on this '09 is far superior to my original review. This is a huge blast of alcohol heat, raisins, and some citrus notes. The taste is actually more subtle in this edition, but it maintains all of its original complexity and actually may provide for an even more drinkable experience. The body is still full and damn near perfect for an old ale. The alcohol may be a bit too fusel for some people, but I think that this '09 release will age absolutely fantastically for years to come. I have now changed my rating by bumping up the smell and dropping the taste and drinkability a half a point because of the booziness.

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Photo of spointon
4.55/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I poured this one from a 12oz brown bottle into a tulip pint glass.

A= This old ale poured a caramel/cola/brown color with a towering fluffy 2.5" tan head. The head took a while to settle, and wound up retaining a 1/4" cap all the way down. Some nice sticky lace clung to my glass as each sip disappeared and the beer sank lower and lower.

S= Wow, this thing threw out some crazy good aromas of rich sweet malt, wood, caramel, raisin, fruity esters, and quite a bit of spicy alcohol.

T= The up front flavors were a heady mix of caramel malt sweetness, treacle, ripe dark fruits (plums, cherries, raisins), and honey. Through the middle a solid oaky dryness and bitter English hops took the edge off most of that sweetness without conquering it completely. The finish was long, rich, and full of warming alcohol. Aftertaste was all oak and alcohol. Superb!

MF= Full bodied and though this had a fairly big carbonation level it never felt too sharp. Nice slick tongue-coating feel.

D= This is an excellent beer deserving of its praise. It reminded me of the first time I ever had an Ayinger Celebrator Dopplebock and how that changed the way I saw that style. While I cannot say I could or would want to session this beer, it was very drinkable for such a huge ABV. Would make a perfect cold weather sipper or nightcap anytime of the year.

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Photo of J0E
4.55/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A 2010 bottle poured into an oversized snifter. The appearance is ok. When viewed head on, it is dark almost opaque, but it's actually a copper orange when held to the light. No head when poured, only a little bit of fizz. The smell is sweet, burnt caramel, a little bit of raisiny fruit, but all very balanced. The taste is much like the nose. It's very sweet with lots of the caramel mixed with that hint of fruit (but not all raisin - there is some tangy citrus to it as well). A little bit of burnt biscuit or something. Very complex and different things pop out with each sip. It's nice and thick. Almost syrupy and coats the whole palate. I don't get much of the alcohol heat, which is a change from the last time I had this Non-barrel version. I think the little bit of extra time it's had in the bottle was very good to the beer.

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Photo of alexgash
4.55/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Served at 60 degrees F.

Brewed on 02-16-05

13.5% abv

Dark caramel corn brown edges around a deep ruby body. Finger of cobwebby, clingy, khaki brown head. Nose of oak, sherry, tart cherry-vinous-grape, scorched maple syrup, hints of alcohol, vanilla, and caramel. Pretty complex if you ask me--and good! Sweet caramel sugar malt up front. Vinous fruity tartness follows. I can taste the age on this and it tastes good. Notes of oak, vanilla, and madeira mid-palate. Gets fruitier and finishes sweet. The hops are super mellow but provide some nice balance. Warming and malty and very good. Full-bodied, ultra-creamy smooth feel. Velvety. 13.5%! I never would have guessed. Glad I bought a sixer. Might have to lay down some of those though to try next year(s).

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Photo of pjkelley82
4.56/5  rDev +7%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

Poured from the bottle into a Kuhnhenn mini snifter... 2013 vintage.

A-lackluster, transparent leather brown in color that gave off a quick 1/4 mocha colored head that was soda like and disappeared just as fast. No ring or skin left but legs for days, very sparse lacing. It's ABV is showing through.

S-ummmm, yeah... The flavors are super strong in the nose. A very powerful and full smell of Brown sugar, sugared dates, caramel, toffee, slight alcohol smell to it but it tells you this drink is not playing around.

T- Taste follows the nose with much emphasis placed on very bold and full tasting. I cannot think of a beer that better describes flavorful or taste explosion. Nice vanilla taste to mellow things out and the alcohol is noticeable but dangerously tolerable.

F-I would say medium to full bodied but feels alot heavier while not becoming sticky or cloying. Not much carb to it, but most of it goes dancing around in the alcohol.

O-Kuhnhenn is my Favorite brewery so I am biased but I could have a blind tasting with 20 different old ales and this would guarantee be top three if not 1. Definitely the best old ale I've had.

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Photo of TastyTaste
4.56/5  rDev +7%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Appearance: Dark brown until held to light, then the body lights up to a brilliant red color. Head is tan, about 3/4", slow fading.

Smell: Sugar and maple syrup. Rich, with some dark fruits. Very sweet.

Taste: Rich and strong, but muted and earthy. The back end has some nice hop bitterness. Rich and smooth, as the style dictates. I would like to try and age a bottle of this, i think it would mature wonderfully. Probably the second best Old Ale I have tried.

Drinkability: Well rounded and extremely enjoyable. A very good example of the style. Thanks to warriorsoul for the trade.

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Photo of beerhan
4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

2010 Vintage obtained at winter solstice. 13.5%

Poured into a snifter, very little head, nice amber color when held up to the light otherwise and rich maroon brown.

Smells very caramely. Lots of chocolate, toffee, some nuts, and fig.

Taste is simply marvelous. Lots of caramel and chocolate. So rich but so smooth. Kind of like a port towards the end.

Feels pretty amazing. Swishing it around the mouth really brings out the rich flavors.

For being over 13% I am amazed how smooth this goes down. All of a sudden my glass was empty but I was amazed by this beer. Truly fantastic.

2007 Vintage sampled as well.

Not nearly as good, pours a more yellow golden color and has lost many good qualities. only 12.5% alcohol here but it is more hidden. Overwhelming tartness and lots of cherry are present. 2010 was much better.

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Photo of BBP
4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

A- Pours dark chestnut. What looked like good head potential fell back into a film. Luckily the film lasted for the duration of the drink. Slight lace to this one. Moderate carbonation.

S- Carmel, sugars, prunes, and vanilla. A bit like a quad, but lacking the sharp sweetness in the nose.

T- While picking apart the flavors in drinks can be tricky at times, the first thing that I registered was delicious. The hard part will be explaining that. I'm noticing that it just gets better with each sip too.

There's an ever so slight hop base and lots of carmel, spiciness, and wood character on top of it. The sweetness is strong, but not one bit repulsive either. I'm a huge fan of bitterness, and this one feels perfectly balanced to me.

This is an excellent example of using prolific amounts of malt without letting them own the drink. My favorite part of the drink is the aftertaste. It's full of oak and a tinge of carmel that just sets in and holds on for a while.

M- Full, creamy body. The carbonation isn't hard on you, and the alcohol doesn't leave any bad heat either.

O- This is a beer that was far better than I was expecting. I randomly picked it up at the store as a single, and almost feel that it's too good to be a random. The next time I see this I'll opt for the 4pk.

This is a beer that has a lot of depth to it. It's also damn drinkable for 13.5%. It's easy to get hit by this fast.

I'm curious to see how some age will treat it.

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Photo of WeedKing4
4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Bottle bought from the brewery pours the darkest of reds with a little bit of foam in the duvel glass. This bottle says its 12.5% and its so god damn smooth. I am finding no hint of the alc% in this at all. The taste is wonderful. Hard to explain but I fucking love it. Its got a mixture of dark fruit and dark malt to the taste, but there is something else that I can't figure out how to explain. But I am really digging this beer. Fantastic beverage.

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Photo of paco1029384756
4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Pours a deep mahogany color with a short creamy off white head.

Scent of dark fruit, grassy hops, caramel, and alcohol. Strong and boozy, very good.

Taste of caramel, chocolate, earth, honey, molasses, sugars and hops. Sweet and a bit spicy, delicious.

Mouthfeel is medium heavy bodied with good carbonation.

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Photo of onsite416
4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle Dated 2.16.05
a= really did not see this one coming. Poured a dark brown, and then seemed to turn to dark amber. Very thin white head was gone in it 2 seconds.

s= Loads of berries, caramel, malts & zest of lemon.

t= Champagne caramel taste right off the bat. Alcohol followed right after. Then raisons, fig & brown

m= A little acidic, the taste overwhelms that fact.

d= would definitely be able to enjoy more than one. Although you would want another BA near you, way too many flavors in this beer for one person to determine.

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Photo of facundoCNB
4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

2011 bottle poured into a snifter.

a murky dark brown pour, slight amount of head which quickly turned into a tan ring of foam around the glass.

smells of caramel, chocolate, rum, nuts, raisins, coconut, vanilla.. this is a very sweet smelling drink and i can't wait to taste it.

ok enough waiting! holy cow this is fantastic. a dark caramel, dark chocolate, fruity sweet, very christmas-like ale. all of the sweetness of this drink masks the abv wonderfully to the point where it isn't noticeable at all (in the flavor). a nice sugary aftertaste of wet pecans.. seriously this is excellent.

full body, low carbonation.. a very heavy sipper! barely any feel of the alcohol, aside from a veru subtle warmth in the chest area.

this really is an excellent ale - i can't even imagine what the bourbon barrel aged 4d is like. this honestly feels like it's been barrel aged.

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Photo of Hogie
4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A-Dark reddish/brown with virtually no head. What little foam there was, was tan in color, but dissipated almost immediately leaving only a very thin ring around the glass. A few very small bubbles visible at pour, but after a few seconds carbonation is not visible.

S-Sweet, fruity brandy like aroma with hint of oak. No discernible hop aroma.

T- Starts off sweet, malty with alcohol/brandy flavors dominating. Finishing with oak flavors and here comes the hops. Not so much hop flavor as definite hop bitterness. Nice warmth as it goes down.

M- Feels silky, almost syrupy at first, but the carbonation that was absent visually, now quickly reveals itself in the mouth releasing some of the flavors mentioned earlier along with that hop bitterness.

D- Very good Old Ale but most definitely not a session beer. I wish I had shared it with a friend (12oz too much for me). This is one to enjoy in small amounts on a cold winters night IMO.

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Photo of Monkeyknife
4.58/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Picked up a carton on my last visit to the brewery.

Poured from a bottle a dark ruby-brown color with a very thin tan head.

Sweet aroma of malts, raisins, dark cherries, and brandy.

The taste is heavy on the malts along with the dark cherries, molasses, brown sugar, and vanilla. The alcohol is bright and warming. The finish is surprisingly clean.

Full mouthfeel, rich and creamy and lightly carbonated. The alcohol leaves a nice warmth on the lips and tongue.

An enjoyable sipping beer and so good on many levels. A must try.

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Photo of blankenhoney
4.58/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

Enjoyed this one at Kuhnhenn's on Mead Day '14.

A: Pours a dark and cloudy shade of burnt mahogany. Looks great.

S: Sweet, rich, and deep: 4D has aromas of brown sugar, caramel, and toffee. Lots of vanilla, too. Smells a lot like a barrel-aged barleywine.

T: The flavors here are rich and sweet, with lots of toffee, apricots, molasses, and vanilla. But the beer isn't cloying at all; in fact, it's highly crushable, partly because of a bright fruitiness on the finish that lightens the load and makes things interesting. About as good as it gets…can only imagine how good the barrel-aged edition is.

M: Nice balance between creaminess and viscousness.

O: Amazeballs…could drink this one all day. Aside from appearances, reminds me a lot of Bourbon County Barleywine. God bless Warren, MI.

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Photo of Chaney
4.58/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Sent to me in an awesome trade by lewis1rg. Thanks Ryan!

I split a 12 oz. bottle four ways.

A: Looks straight up like brandy with a slight head on it. Awesome golden color and without much pretensiousness in terms of thickness.

S: Buttery toffee, no booze, caramel and sweet candy sugar... but this was rounds out nicely by a bit of a woody character.

T: Definitely not the booze bomb I was expecting. I got all the stuff I got on the nose, only even more intensified. It definitely had an awesome marshmallow quality on the finish that was to die for!

M: Sweet, yet not syrupy in the slightest. The carbonation was low, but not as low as I thought it was going to be. Sticky sweet yummy goodness!

O: Every once in a while a beer comes along that is best described using non-beer descriptors. This was one of those brews. Impressive!

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Photo of GClarkage
4.59/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

03/12/09- Received via trade with former BA member Jetsbeer.

Presentation- 2005 Vintage, bottled in February. Best by 2011. 12oz bottle poured into my Old Stock Ale glass.

Appearance- Deep cherry, mahagoney, burnt caramel color. Slight bubbly head on a fairly hard pour. Spotty and watery-like lace left behind. Not uncommon per style.

Smell- Very pungent and wonderful nose. Burnt and heavy caramel malt, sugary cherry notes, minor alcohol. Smells a bit like alcoholic brownies.

Taste- Thought this was much higher of an abv. Lots of flavor for it's strength. Strong toasted and roasted caramel malted flavor. Minor chocolate notes added with some raisin, date and cherry flavors. Fairly bready and the sweetness isn't too strong.

Mouthfeel- Very smooth and silky. Not really creamy. Mildly thick. Lower carbonation, but sharp at times. Nice dark fruity aftertaste with a light sugary coating.

Drinkability- Finally got around to drinking this after aquiring this in '05. Great and easy drinking Old Ale. Score for Kuhnhenn. Have my bottle of Raspberry Eisbock from '05 or earlier tomorrow night.

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 445 ratings.