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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 889
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.29
pDev: 9.09%
Wants: 555
Gots: 204 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of blitz134
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Well...its my 24th b-day today...and this beer had its 2nd b-day yesterday...I thought it was fitting that I had this today...

Dark garnet color, obvious floaties drift around. Really no head on the pour, only an offwhite ring around the glass. The beer sparkles in the glass. Looks nice...

Dark fruit aromas raisin, fig and plum, hints of cherries. Alcohol is obvious. Toasted malt aromas come in later on and fill out the body of this beer. Great aroma...

This beer is still a bit hot, super alcoholic tasting but doesn't burn too much to turn me off to it. Lots to the taste. Toasted malts again come forth with some caramel sweetness. Dark fruits come out again, fig and plums. Finish is a bit of tobacco. Nicely done overall. This could use another year, although the alcohol might not ever dissapate.

Medium to full bodied mouthfeel. I'd like it to be a bit creamier. Overall a really tasty beer. Complex aroma and taste. A bit hot still, but tolerable. Good overall.

blitz134, Aug 03, 2006
Photo of BillyB
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Very interesting and complex beer.

Pours an almost reddish brown color with a thin, whispy, tan colored layer of foam.

Aromas of dark and dried fruits, wood, earth, mollasses, honey, caramel, toffee and spice. Some nutty, alcohol and slight oxidation is noticeable as well.

Tastes of big malty sweetness followed by an impressive bitterness (not what I had expected) that helps with the balance. Some nutty, caramel and mollasses flavors. Woody alcohol.

Mouthfeel is medium to full with a chewy body, nice alcohol warmth and a sweet finish.

BillyB, Mar 10, 2008
Photo of AnPiobaire
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a goblet. 4D poured a thick muddy brown with barely a cream colored halo for a head. The nose is malty and rich with strong notes of fig. Very pleasant. The taste is a rich malty sweetness with toffee and fig. The mouth is thick and viscous with minimal carbonation. Overall, this is a very decadent old ale that is far from sessionable but is very tasty and one I am glad to have tried. Enjoy!

AnPiobaire, Mar 01, 2012
Photo of CRJMellor
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours chestnut and mahogany with a thin but big, bubbly, tan head. Minimal lace on the glassware.
Aroma of orange, deep caramel and some lightly roated barley notes. Darker fruit notes of raisins, figs and dates also emerge as it warms. Some peat and maple syrup like note also emerges
Flavor of sweet chocolate, peaty and smoked notes. Some dark citrus fruits with a hint of orange peel, sweet brown sugar and some mulled spices. Faints of leather, wood and tobacco magically appear as it really warms. Delicious but only when warmed.
Mouthfeel is full but hyper sweet cut by some roasted notes and a scotch-like peat alcoholic tone.
Drinkability is very good. Excellent, tasty beer but the hyper-sweetness makes one enough. Poured at least 10-15 degrees too cold. If you get one, leave it on the bar top, try another brew and come back to it. It'll be ready.

CRJMellor, Sep 07, 2004
Photo of JohnGalt1
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2007 vintage received a while back from DLucky.... I tried a bottle my bro brought over a couple of months back and it piqued my interest.. so... tonight is the night. Poured into my New Belgium snifter.

Aggressive pour lends only a short lived 3/4" head with a nice cap.. the brew is a beautiful deep brown with bright crimson highlites when held to a light... very pretty and a unique looking brew... nice lace as the liquid slowly drops.

Aroma is very complex... reminds me of an English BW and an older Tawny port.. fruity and leathery with a mild spicy hop background... raisins and lite figs ...

The flavor is huge and comes in waves... very thick malty presence ... with abundant dried fruit .... figs.. lite prune.. fairly sweet.. dry cigar wrapper.. again is reminiscent of an aged English BW... but very aged.. spicy and peppery.... a little bit of ETOH heat.. but actually adds to the overall presentation.. the body is thick and coating.. maybe a little sweet for my palate.. but I honestly think it should probably be cellared for a while longer.. maybe years... what do I know? The carbonation is alot more lively than expected... pouring this one, I did not expect as much.

This brew is a sleeper.. because the finish is sooo long... I am really liking it... now I just need to find a good connection for Kuhnhenn.

Thanks Dan for the fantastic trade.

JohnGalt1, Dec 26, 2008
Photo of largadeer
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Dark but clear brown with reddish highlights. Half an inch of head forms from a gentle pour, which settles into a ring.

Smell: Dried fruit, molasses, old leather - very earthy and bold, the aroma really jumps out of the glass.

Taste & mouthfeel: Rich toffee-like sweetness with underlying notes of prunes and fruitcake. Hops come out mid-finish, earthy and herbal with a lasting bitterness. A mineral quality appears at warmer temperatures, bringing to mind iron. Heavy/syrupy on the palate with low-to-moderate carbonation, definitely a sipper but a highly enjoyable one.

Notes: Thanks to Dyan for sharing this one. This typically isn't my favorite style but this one definitely won me over.

largadeer, May 06, 2008
Photo of spinrsx
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12oz Bottle

Appearance – Hazy brown colour with an average size off-white coloured head. There is a low amount of carbonation showing and there is some really good lacing. The head lasted for around 5 minutes before it was gone.

Smell - Malts, caramel, hops, dark fruits, vanilla

Taste & Mouth - There is a slightly below average amount of carbonation and I can taste malts, caramel and toffee. There is also a touch of hop bitterness and I can taste some raisins and light vanilla. The beer finishes with a sweet buttery and malty aftertaste.

Overall – You'd never guess that the beer had 13.5% alcohol. It's very well hidden and while the taste is very sweet it isn't too over the top. I'd definitely like to have a few bottles of this on hand for the colder months. It's a well crafted and well balanced beer and is well worth seeking out.

spinrsx, Jun 13, 2011
Photo of Pellinore1
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to kdub87 for sending this one.

Pours a slightly hazy warm brown into a snifter, and shines red when held to the light. Less than a finger of off-white head fades, leaving some lacing on the glass.

I smell caramel, raisin, fig, and a whiff of booze. Not a very strong smell, but quite pleasant.

Everything from the smell is in the taste as well, only much more intense. I pick up the sweet caramel first, and this is quickly followed by a bloom of dark fruit. The boozy warmth is there at the end, but still astonishingly well concealed for 13.5 abv.

Thick and a bit sticky, but not overwhelming.

A very good beer overall, and almost certainly the best I've had in its category.

Pellinore1, Aug 22, 2011
Photo of crossovert
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2010 Vintage.

It pours a dark brown, more or less black with a fizzy and small light tan head. It quickly fizzes away with just a few specks of lacing. Kind of expected at this abv, but yet some brewers manage to produce beers with decent heads at this abv.

The smell is good. There is a noticeable old ale base. The bourbon and oak aren't overpowering but still highly noticeable. There is a huge amount of dark fruits and a hint of soy.

The taste is rich with bourbon and dark fruits. Really deep dark fruit notes. The bourbon adds a bit of alcohol, vanilla, and caramel. It isn't too alcoholic in the taste though, not too hot. It warms the tummy for sure though. It feels like you are drinking a liqueur rather than a beer taste-wise.

This is a beer that combines the best aspects of an old ale with some really good barrel notes. I would recommend tracking down a bottle.

crossovert, Feb 29, 2012
Photo of bamadog
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I received this in a trade some time ago. Bottle is from 2009 and listed as 12.5%. Review is from notes taken on 3/14/2011 and poured from the bottle to a snifter. Thank Jeebus I have 2 bottles left...

Appearance: Pour is a deep cola brown and it starts with about 1/4 finger tan head that fades immediately to nothing other than a scant wisp trailing across the surface; body is pretty dark, but shows some ruby/mahogany highlights when held up; pretty soft carbonation is what I see, I have feeling it's going to be even lighter on the palate; no lacing is left behind, not that I would expect any in a beer like this.

Smell: Fantastic. Smells absolutely amazing -- tons of caramel and butterscotch really set up the scents; dark ripe fruits; some kind of spiciness is in there, kind of reminds me of ginger and cinnamon; definite presence of warm alcohol and a bit of a cola-like sweetness; smell is quite robust.

Taste: Holy schyte! Fan-freaking-tastic! Really matches the smell to a "T" -- tons of sweet caramel and butterscotch dominate the palate and there's definite a chewy and overly ripe dark fruit aspect (like raisins) and there's also a bit of spiciness to it (as mentioned in the smell); definite presence of alcohol warms the breath. I have to say, I'm reminded of drinking bourbon and Coke.

Mouthfeel: Body is thick and chewy, just heavier than medium in weight; a thin and dry stickiness is left on the palate; carbonation is essentially non-existent and I have to admit, I would mind just a touch more, but the semi-flatness isn't necessarily outside the style; belly is left very warm, as is the breath from the 12.5% ABV.

Drinkability: Moderate -- the high ABV really keeps it honest, and the super sweetness could become a bit much. I have to say, this is a beer that is probably better shared.

bamadog, Mar 15, 2011
Photo of schlimenhaumer
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12oz. bottle into a Southampton snifter at low altitude.

A: Pours a semi-transparent dark copper/ruby color with almost no head, which is unsurprising given the ABV. Leaves a little bit of lacing on the glass because it's so viscous.

S: A strong sweet malty smell. Marshmallows, caramel malts, raisins, prunes. The alcohol doesn't come through very much in terms of smell.

T: This one is sweet and malty all the way through, while still managing to remain well-balanced. Sugar, toffee, marshmallows, caramel malts are all at play here. No alcohol burn on the finish.

M: Full-bodied, sticky and wet without much carbonation. Fits the flavors quite nicely.

D: This would be ideal as a dessert beer. It's sweet, but not overpoweringly so. The alcohol is concealed very well, so this one could be dangerous. Definitely worth trying if you have the chance.

schlimenhaumer, Feb 10, 2012
Photo of clvand0
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a dark brown color with very little head and ok retention (lacking because it was from a growler most likely). Has a very strong aroma. Slight alcohol, strong raisin and spice, reminds me a bit of varnish ... but not in a bad way. The flavor is very nice. Lots of subtle spices and a great caramel backing tie in very well with the warming hints of alcohol. This is a great representation of the style. Body is somewhere around moderate and the drinkability is pretty good for the high level of alcohol.

clvand0, Jun 06, 2005
Photo of birderbeerer
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Caramel beer with a golden tint. Two-finger, creamy head.

Aroma is super-sweet malts with caramel and butter too.

Taste is even better. Very sweet but creamy and smooth with drier malts tasting like white toast, salty butter, and caramel. Lots of caramel. So creamy and thick. Unbelievably well-hidden abv.

Imminently drinkable. Delicious and easy going down.

birderbeerer, May 18, 2011
Photo of JoeyBeerBelly
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Growler filled on 2/13/10, consumed in a snifter on 2/14/10.

L - reddish/brown color with a tan head that stayed afloat for a good long time which is good because this brew is a sipper.
S - roasted malt, raisin and brown sugar sweetness.
T - yummy, malty and sweet with notes of sugared dates and other dark fruit.
F - medium body with a silky smooth feel.
D - sip it slow and enjoy by a fire.

JoeyBeerBelly, Feb 14, 2010
Photo of ncvbc
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Reddish with brown and amber in color, somewhat murky with a tan head that slowly settles to a ring. Smell is rich of malt. Caramel and toffee. Brown sugar. Some spice, a touch of toasted coconut. Taste is deep and rich. Very nice. Mild hoppiness is present. Spice is more apparent. Lots of caramel and toffee. Raisin and fig, dark fruits, slightly tart at times. Some doughy toasted bread. Even hints of oatmeal in the finish it seems. Big, close to full mouthfeel, though silky smooth going down. Could definitely see myself enjoying a couple of these with ease. A hearty brew though, so not much more than that. Quite enjoyable.

Cheers to grub, DrJay, and hoppymeal for the chance to try these on three occasions.

ncvbc, Aug 10, 2008
Photo of cetherid
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

poured into a tulip

A.

Beer is a dark brownish color with ruby highlights coming out from the light. Almost looks like a dark maple syrup color. Head was about 1 fingers worth of off-white before dissipating into a thin film.

S.

A relatively complex (but great) nose in this one. Big aroma of sweet caramel and dark fruits. Some molasses and brown sugar, with a hint of booze. Beer kind of reminds me of a Trappist quad.

T.

Caramel and toffee covered dark fruits...almost like a gourmet candy/candy bar but not overpoweringly sweet as one. Picking up some subtle fruity wine notes in this as well. A little booze in the taste (expected of course), but not as potent as I'd expect from a 13%+ beer.

M.

about medium bodied...carbonation a little low, but might be appropriate for the style. A slight dry finish which seems typical with the wine-like qualities of this beer.

O.

A great overall beer. A little difficult to find (as well as pricey) which knocks this down a bit. I have a bottle of the BA version that I've been meaning to try but I only have 1 bottle so I'm saving it for a special occasion. This beer is a solid sipper

cetherid, Apr 01, 2011
Photo of Flipadelphia
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance- Rich dark cherry color, consistent and little to no head probably due to alcohol content

Smell- nice cherry smell, continues rich, the remainder of the scent but reminds me of dark fruits, and it smells sweet and deep. Can smell either brown sugar or molasses, when I tried to smell figs and the beer in short order, I could distinctly smell figs.

Taste- This tastes really wonderful, as I continued to drink it, the taste got stronger, deeper and better. Complex taste that has character at the start, sweetness in the middle, and solid finish. No taste is overpowering and no single taste dominates. As such, the strength of the flavor never overpowers your palate. For a beer with such a high alcohol content, this beer has a well rounded taste. As the beer warms in your glass the flavor only improves. Can taste dark cherry and figs/dates.

Mouthfeel- creamy feel in your mouth, sweet but not sugary, subtle tastes help this high alcohol content beer from having an overpowering feel while drinking it, and the finish is smooth and continues to develop the flavor rather than leaving any type of after-taste that could possibly ruin the experience.

Drinkability- This is a great beer that I could have a couple glasses of. Due to the complexity of the flavor, I'm not sure that more than 2 or 3 glasses would continue to be great, but the both glasses I enjoyed were great and the flavor got better the more in took over my palate.

Flipadelphia, May 15, 2010
Photo of beaglemac
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a snifter. Very thin head with a dark mahogany red body. Smell is fruity, cherry, raisins, with a slight spice background.
Taste is unbelievable. Sweet taste (as it smells) and maybe a hint of chocolate in there. Malty malty malty. Some slight Roasted tones in there as well. A little alcohol is present, but I can barely feel/taste it. The body coats the glass after every drink.

Good work Kuhnhenn, one helluva brew there.

beaglemac, Jan 12, 2008
Photo of sliverX
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured a deep chestnut not much of a head even with a vigorous swirl decent slight lacing
Smell huge caramel maltyness big toffee notes.
Taste is a big caramel punch in the face with a bit of booze a bit of Apple cider on the back end
Mouthfeel a bit thin on the side of medium
Overall a pretty nice beer I enjoy the maltyness

sliverX, Oct 17, 2011
Photo of flannelman808
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Medium brown and pretty darn opaque. Not much head to speak of.

S: Bourbon, caramel, coco powder and smoke.

T: This stuff is good. Its like drinking a maple iced rhum cake. Very rich and deep. Lots of flavors develop. Sweet finishing but not overtly so.

M: sticky

O: quite good stuff, I was impressed with this one. The high %13+ abv is noticeable but a welcomed addition to the depth of flavor.

flannelman808, Aug 11, 2011
Photo of tmoneyba
4.33/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Draft at MBG Festival in Ann Arbor.

Poured dark amber with medium head that diminished slowly with good lacing. Full complex sweet aroma. Medium body with a smooth texture and flat carbonation. Complex sweet flavor with a medium to heavy sweet finish that was cut short by the alcohol bite.

Good beer for after dinner cigar.

tmoneyba, Mar 24, 2009
Photo of liamt07
4.35/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Peter of Flying Monkeys, 355ml bottle into some tulips. 2010 winter solstice release, thanks a ton Peter!

Pours a dark brown, with a tan head - transient, and falls to a ring. Big legs on this one. Nose has dried dark fruits, sweet caramel notes, and a hint of metal. Taste reflects this without the metal note (which diminished with warmth), more dried dark fruits - berries and currants, booze, caramel and something I kept percieving as oak, although I'm confident this isn't oak aged. Mouthfeel was medium heavy, with a moderate sweetness that's restrained by some drier qualities throughout. Great drinkability, and doesn't even come close to feeling like the alcohol content advertised. Need to get my lips on the bourbon barreled version.

liamt07, Sep 07, 2011
Photo of nhindian
4.35/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle poured into a Cantillon wine glass. Bottle generously provided as an extra by normyk, thanks a ton!

2010 vintage.

A - Pours a dark brown, almost purple color, similar to a deeper-colored Quad. A one-finger, off-white head gradually builds, with moderate retention given the alcohol in this. The lacing is interesting in this beer for sure, as I drink, it leaves a thin, yet generous coating of lace on the opposite side of the glass and a bit on the sides, but if I tilt the glass left and right slowly, the lace stacks for a few seconds, then slowly breaks apart and cascades back down to the rest of the liquid, like a wave that crests and breaks on the beach, and slowly recedes back to the ocean. Very cool.

S - The smell is a nice blend of toffee, dried fruits, and heavily caramelized malts. There appears to be a bit of vanilla and oak in here as well, with a dose of candied sugar as well. Very forward malt nose overall.

T - The taste, as the nose would imply, is quite sweet and dominated by malts. At first there's a slight butterscotch taste, which when followed by the vanilla and oak, generates a unique and tasty flavor. From there it's all toffee and caramel malts, which layer over the dried fruit and raisin to dally into an almost faint Dubbel territory, which when supplemented by the candied sugar, is a Belgian-yeast strain away from being a tantalizing hybrid. This fades in the finish, however, as the malts resurge and last well into the aftertaste. The alcohol comes through slightly, but not enough to give any indication of its 13.50% ABV.

M - Mouthfeel is moderately heavy-bodied with pretty low carbonation. It is pretty slick in the mouth but finishes pretty dry. Leaves a nice coating in the mouth that helps deliver a long-lasting finish.

D - Drinkability is moderately high. It is a tasty beer and hides its alcohol well. It is still a sipper but pretty addicting. I found myself content with a 12oz bottle but it was an enjoyable experience.

nhindian, Apr 17, 2011
Photo of Sean9689
4.35/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Tasted a bunch of times at Schlafly Repeal Festival 2010. Poured into tasting glass over and over because it's so damn awesome.

A - Pours black, off-white/tan head, nice sticky lacing and a slim cap on top.

S - Burnt sugars, dark fruits, caramel, toffee. Lots of sweetness and complexity to this. A decent amount of alcohol on the nose but nothing I was expecting with Kuhnhenn.

T - Big, sweet, and boozy (in a good way). I knew this was gonna be a monster and I loved every sip. Chocolate, toffee, burnt caramels, boozy alcohol. The alcohol works really well with this and doesn't overpower the rest of the beer...in fact, it compliments the nuances. Sweet & boozy finish.

M - Full, rich & thick, very very light carbonation.

D - As high octane as this one is, I loved it. I think it was the first keg to blow at the festival and for good reason. Awesome.

Sean9689, Apr 20, 2010
Photo of webmanspidey
4.35/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

The 2008 variety... I'd been waiting to try this one for a while and finally gave in.

Bottle poured into Duvel tulip glass. Dark purplish brown color, loads of fizzy tan head. Smell is pretty faint but sweet and fruity.. I'd say grapes, currants, and cherries. There might be some darker sweet aromas as well such as maple syrup and molasses.

More of the same in the taste: a very tart mix of cherries and currants with only the slight twinge of alcohol. Slightly sour, but also slightly sweet. Very well put together, with really almost no alcohol burn. A delicious slow sipping dessert-style beer.

webmanspidey, Jun 17, 2009
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 889 ratings.