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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 870
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 554
Gots: 203 | FT: 27
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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Photo of Pellinore1
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to kdub87 for sending this one.

Pours a slightly hazy warm brown into a snifter, and shines red when held to the light. Less than a finger of off-white head fades, leaving some lacing on the glass.

I smell caramel, raisin, fig, and a whiff of booze. Not a very strong smell, but quite pleasant.

Everything from the smell is in the taste as well, only much more intense. I pick up the sweet caramel first, and this is quickly followed by a bloom of dark fruit. The boozy warmth is there at the end, but still astonishingly well concealed for 13.5 abv.

Thick and a bit sticky, but not overwhelming.

A very good beer overall, and almost certainly the best I've had in its category.

Pellinore1, Aug 22, 2011
Photo of crossovert
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2010 Vintage.

It pours a dark brown, more or less black with a fizzy and small light tan head. It quickly fizzes away with just a few specks of lacing. Kind of expected at this abv, but yet some brewers manage to produce beers with decent heads at this abv.

The smell is good. There is a noticeable old ale base. The bourbon and oak aren't overpowering but still highly noticeable. There is a huge amount of dark fruits and a hint of soy.

The taste is rich with bourbon and dark fruits. Really deep dark fruit notes. The bourbon adds a bit of alcohol, vanilla, and caramel. It isn't too alcoholic in the taste though, not too hot. It warms the tummy for sure though. It feels like you are drinking a liqueur rather than a beer taste-wise.

This is a beer that combines the best aspects of an old ale with some really good barrel notes. I would recommend tracking down a bottle.

crossovert, Feb 29, 2012
Photo of bamadog
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I received this in a trade some time ago. Bottle is from 2009 and listed as 12.5%. Review is from notes taken on 3/14/2011 and poured from the bottle to a snifter. Thank Jeebus I have 2 bottles left...

Appearance: Pour is a deep cola brown and it starts with about 1/4 finger tan head that fades immediately to nothing other than a scant wisp trailing across the surface; body is pretty dark, but shows some ruby/mahogany highlights when held up; pretty soft carbonation is what I see, I have feeling it's going to be even lighter on the palate; no lacing is left behind, not that I would expect any in a beer like this.

Smell: Fantastic. Smells absolutely amazing -- tons of caramel and butterscotch really set up the scents; dark ripe fruits; some kind of spiciness is in there, kind of reminds me of ginger and cinnamon; definite presence of warm alcohol and a bit of a cola-like sweetness; smell is quite robust.

Taste: Holy schyte! Fan-freaking-tastic! Really matches the smell to a "T" -- tons of sweet caramel and butterscotch dominate the palate and there's definite a chewy and overly ripe dark fruit aspect (like raisins) and there's also a bit of spiciness to it (as mentioned in the smell); definite presence of alcohol warms the breath. I have to say, I'm reminded of drinking bourbon and Coke.

Mouthfeel: Body is thick and chewy, just heavier than medium in weight; a thin and dry stickiness is left on the palate; carbonation is essentially non-existent and I have to admit, I would mind just a touch more, but the semi-flatness isn't necessarily outside the style; belly is left very warm, as is the breath from the 12.5% ABV.

Drinkability: Moderate -- the high ABV really keeps it honest, and the super sweetness could become a bit much. I have to say, this is a beer that is probably better shared.

bamadog, Mar 15, 2011
Photo of schlimenhaumer
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12oz. bottle into a Southampton snifter at low altitude.

A: Pours a semi-transparent dark copper/ruby color with almost no head, which is unsurprising given the ABV. Leaves a little bit of lacing on the glass because it's so viscous.

S: A strong sweet malty smell. Marshmallows, caramel malts, raisins, prunes. The alcohol doesn't come through very much in terms of smell.

T: This one is sweet and malty all the way through, while still managing to remain well-balanced. Sugar, toffee, marshmallows, caramel malts are all at play here. No alcohol burn on the finish.

M: Full-bodied, sticky and wet without much carbonation. Fits the flavors quite nicely.

D: This would be ideal as a dessert beer. It's sweet, but not overpoweringly so. The alcohol is concealed very well, so this one could be dangerous. Definitely worth trying if you have the chance.

schlimenhaumer, Feb 10, 2012
Photo of clvand0
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a dark brown color with very little head and ok retention (lacking because it was from a growler most likely). Has a very strong aroma. Slight alcohol, strong raisin and spice, reminds me a bit of varnish ... but not in a bad way. The flavor is very nice. Lots of subtle spices and a great caramel backing tie in very well with the warming hints of alcohol. This is a great representation of the style. Body is somewhere around moderate and the drinkability is pretty good for the high level of alcohol.

clvand0, Jun 06, 2005
Photo of birderbeerer
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Caramel beer with a golden tint. Two-finger, creamy head.

Aroma is super-sweet malts with caramel and butter too.

Taste is even better. Very sweet but creamy and smooth with drier malts tasting like white toast, salty butter, and caramel. Lots of caramel. So creamy and thick. Unbelievably well-hidden abv.

Imminently drinkable. Delicious and easy going down.

birderbeerer, May 18, 2011
Photo of JoeyBeerBelly
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Growler filled on 2/13/10, consumed in a snifter on 2/14/10.

L - reddish/brown color with a tan head that stayed afloat for a good long time which is good because this brew is a sipper.
S - roasted malt, raisin and brown sugar sweetness.
T - yummy, malty and sweet with notes of sugared dates and other dark fruit.
F - medium body with a silky smooth feel.
D - sip it slow and enjoy by a fire.

JoeyBeerBelly, Feb 14, 2010
Photo of ncvbc
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Reddish with brown and amber in color, somewhat murky with a tan head that slowly settles to a ring. Smell is rich of malt. Caramel and toffee. Brown sugar. Some spice, a touch of toasted coconut. Taste is deep and rich. Very nice. Mild hoppiness is present. Spice is more apparent. Lots of caramel and toffee. Raisin and fig, dark fruits, slightly tart at times. Some doughy toasted bread. Even hints of oatmeal in the finish it seems. Big, close to full mouthfeel, though silky smooth going down. Could definitely see myself enjoying a couple of these with ease. A hearty brew though, so not much more than that. Quite enjoyable.

Cheers to grub, DrJay, and hoppymeal for the chance to try these on three occasions.

ncvbc, Aug 10, 2008
Photo of cetherid
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

poured into a tulip

A.

Beer is a dark brownish color with ruby highlights coming out from the light. Almost looks like a dark maple syrup color. Head was about 1 fingers worth of off-white before dissipating into a thin film.

S.

A relatively complex (but great) nose in this one. Big aroma of sweet caramel and dark fruits. Some molasses and brown sugar, with a hint of booze. Beer kind of reminds me of a Trappist quad.

T.

Caramel and toffee covered dark fruits...almost like a gourmet candy/candy bar but not overpoweringly sweet as one. Picking up some subtle fruity wine notes in this as well. A little booze in the taste (expected of course), but not as potent as I'd expect from a 13%+ beer.

M.

about medium bodied...carbonation a little low, but might be appropriate for the style. A slight dry finish which seems typical with the wine-like qualities of this beer.

O.

A great overall beer. A little difficult to find (as well as pricey) which knocks this down a bit. I have a bottle of the BA version that I've been meaning to try but I only have 1 bottle so I'm saving it for a special occasion. This beer is a solid sipper

cetherid, Apr 01, 2011
Photo of Flipadelphia
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance- Rich dark cherry color, consistent and little to no head probably due to alcohol content

Smell- nice cherry smell, continues rich, the remainder of the scent but reminds me of dark fruits, and it smells sweet and deep. Can smell either brown sugar or molasses, when I tried to smell figs and the beer in short order, I could distinctly smell figs.

Taste- This tastes really wonderful, as I continued to drink it, the taste got stronger, deeper and better. Complex taste that has character at the start, sweetness in the middle, and solid finish. No taste is overpowering and no single taste dominates. As such, the strength of the flavor never overpowers your palate. For a beer with such a high alcohol content, this beer has a well rounded taste. As the beer warms in your glass the flavor only improves. Can taste dark cherry and figs/dates.

Mouthfeel- creamy feel in your mouth, sweet but not sugary, subtle tastes help this high alcohol content beer from having an overpowering feel while drinking it, and the finish is smooth and continues to develop the flavor rather than leaving any type of after-taste that could possibly ruin the experience.

Drinkability- This is a great beer that I could have a couple glasses of. Due to the complexity of the flavor, I'm not sure that more than 2 or 3 glasses would continue to be great, but the both glasses I enjoyed were great and the flavor got better the more in took over my palate.

Flipadelphia, May 15, 2010
Photo of beaglemac
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a snifter. Very thin head with a dark mahogany red body. Smell is fruity, cherry, raisins, with a slight spice background.
Taste is unbelievable. Sweet taste (as it smells) and maybe a hint of chocolate in there. Malty malty malty. Some slight Roasted tones in there as well. A little alcohol is present, but I can barely feel/taste it. The body coats the glass after every drink.

Good work Kuhnhenn, one helluva brew there.

beaglemac, Jan 12, 2008
Photo of sliverX
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured a deep chestnut not much of a head even with a vigorous swirl decent slight lacing
Smell huge caramel maltyness big toffee notes.
Taste is a big caramel punch in the face with a bit of booze a bit of Apple cider on the back end
Mouthfeel a bit thin on the side of medium
Overall a pretty nice beer I enjoy the maltyness

sliverX, Oct 17, 2011
Photo of flannelman808
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Medium brown and pretty darn opaque. Not much head to speak of.

S: Bourbon, caramel, coco powder and smoke.

T: This stuff is good. Its like drinking a maple iced rhum cake. Very rich and deep. Lots of flavors develop. Sweet finishing but not overtly so.

M: sticky

O: quite good stuff, I was impressed with this one. The high %13+ abv is noticeable but a welcomed addition to the depth of flavor.

flannelman808, Aug 11, 2011
Photo of tmoneyba
4.33/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Draft at MBG Festival in Ann Arbor.

Poured dark amber with medium head that diminished slowly with good lacing. Full complex sweet aroma. Medium body with a smooth texture and flat carbonation. Complex sweet flavor with a medium to heavy sweet finish that was cut short by the alcohol bite.

Good beer for after dinner cigar.

tmoneyba, Mar 24, 2009
Photo of liamt07
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Peter of Flying Monkeys, 355ml bottle into some tulips. 2010 winter solstice release, thanks a ton Peter!

Pours a dark brown, with a tan head - transient, and falls to a ring. Big legs on this one. Nose has dried dark fruits, sweet caramel notes, and a hint of metal. Taste reflects this without the metal note (which diminished with warmth), more dried dark fruits - berries and currants, booze, caramel and something I kept percieving as oak, although I'm confident this isn't oak aged. Mouthfeel was medium heavy, with a moderate sweetness that's restrained by some drier qualities throughout. Great drinkability, and doesn't even come close to feeling like the alcohol content advertised. Need to get my lips on the bourbon barreled version.

liamt07, Sep 07, 2011
Photo of nhindian
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle poured into a Cantillon wine glass. Bottle generously provided as an extra by normyk, thanks a ton!

2010 vintage.

A - Pours a dark brown, almost purple color, similar to a deeper-colored Quad. A one-finger, off-white head gradually builds, with moderate retention given the alcohol in this. The lacing is interesting in this beer for sure, as I drink, it leaves a thin, yet generous coating of lace on the opposite side of the glass and a bit on the sides, but if I tilt the glass left and right slowly, the lace stacks for a few seconds, then slowly breaks apart and cascades back down to the rest of the liquid, like a wave that crests and breaks on the beach, and slowly recedes back to the ocean. Very cool.

S - The smell is a nice blend of toffee, dried fruits, and heavily caramelized malts. There appears to be a bit of vanilla and oak in here as well, with a dose of candied sugar as well. Very forward malt nose overall.

T - The taste, as the nose would imply, is quite sweet and dominated by malts. At first there's a slight butterscotch taste, which when followed by the vanilla and oak, generates a unique and tasty flavor. From there it's all toffee and caramel malts, which layer over the dried fruit and raisin to dally into an almost faint Dubbel territory, which when supplemented by the candied sugar, is a Belgian-yeast strain away from being a tantalizing hybrid. This fades in the finish, however, as the malts resurge and last well into the aftertaste. The alcohol comes through slightly, but not enough to give any indication of its 13.50% ABV.

M - Mouthfeel is moderately heavy-bodied with pretty low carbonation. It is pretty slick in the mouth but finishes pretty dry. Leaves a nice coating in the mouth that helps deliver a long-lasting finish.

D - Drinkability is moderately high. It is a tasty beer and hides its alcohol well. It is still a sipper but pretty addicting. I found myself content with a 12oz bottle but it was an enjoyable experience.

nhindian, Apr 17, 2011
Photo of Sean9689
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Tasted a bunch of times at Schlafly Repeal Festival 2010. Poured into tasting glass over and over because it's so damn awesome.

A - Pours black, off-white/tan head, nice sticky lacing and a slim cap on top.

S - Burnt sugars, dark fruits, caramel, toffee. Lots of sweetness and complexity to this. A decent amount of alcohol on the nose but nothing I was expecting with Kuhnhenn.

T - Big, sweet, and boozy (in a good way). I knew this was gonna be a monster and I loved every sip. Chocolate, toffee, burnt caramels, boozy alcohol. The alcohol works really well with this and doesn't overpower the rest of the beer...in fact, it compliments the nuances. Sweet & boozy finish.

M - Full, rich & thick, very very light carbonation.

D - As high octane as this one is, I loved it. I think it was the first keg to blow at the festival and for good reason. Awesome.

Sean9689, Apr 20, 2010
Photo of webmanspidey
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

The 2008 variety... I'd been waiting to try this one for a while and finally gave in.

Bottle poured into Duvel tulip glass. Dark purplish brown color, loads of fizzy tan head. Smell is pretty faint but sweet and fruity.. I'd say grapes, currants, and cherries. There might be some darker sweet aromas as well such as maple syrup and molasses.

More of the same in the taste: a very tart mix of cherries and currants with only the slight twinge of alcohol. Slightly sour, but also slightly sweet. Very well put together, with really almost no alcohol burn. A delicious slow sipping dessert-style beer.

webmanspidey, Jun 17, 2009
Photo of Overlord
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours a not terribly attractive ruddy brown. Small head that quickly dissipates, but remains carbonated throughout (which definitely helps with a thick, syrupy beer like this).

Smells mostly of raisins/figs/prunes -- I have a real problem telling these three ingredients apart -- with a hint of sweeter notes. There are definitely some sweet fruits in here as well, dark/tart cherries, maybe something more exotic. I can't tell. There's definitely a strong molasses/caramel undercurrent.

Very, very good.

Overlord, Mar 03, 2008
Photo of Huhzubendah
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle split two ways thanks to ahalloin.

Mahogany hue with a very substantial head and plenty of lace. Aromas of sweet tobacco, alcohol, rich malts, raisins. This beer has great complexity. My initial thoughts upon my first sip were that this instantly reminds me of a great English barleywine, particularly J.W. Lees. Secondly, this beer tastes much older than it is. I really thought the alcohol, while certainly not hidden, did not overpower the beer or present any undesirable harshness on the palate. There is a long, lingering aftertaste consisting of sweet caramels, toffee. Warming alcohol in the finish. Great beer. Probably best in small quantities.

Huhzubendah, May 15, 2010
Photo of ShadesOfGray
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got via trade from a fellow BA. Pours extremely dark brown with large tan frothy head. Very cloudy and laces very nice...wow the aroma is wonderful. I can smell the strong sweet caramel and malts before even getting close. Now, I'm also picking up a little hops, and chocolate. Drinking at room temp btw.
Taste is awesome(2008 vintage btw). Very sweet with caramel, sugars, malts, booze, tangy...creamy. Wow, what a great brew! A little thick so hard to put more than one down in a tasting. Yummy!

ShadesOfGray, Dec 10, 2009
Photo of MDDMD
4.35/5  rDev +1.6%

A-brown burgundy color with a nice tan head and good lacing

S-brown sugar, toffee, dark fruit, vanilla, malt

T-caramel malt, toffee, vanilla, figs, plums, dates, light chocolate, little nutty

F-medium body with moderate carbonation, smooth and a little alcohol comes through

O-delicious ale, great dessert beer, love sipping this

MDDMD, Aug 27, 2014
Photo of GonzoHomebrewer
4.36/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

2011, poured into a KtG tulip

A- viscous ruby/mahogany/dark brown pour with a hint of a head that dissipates quickly into a ring around the class. inviting

S- toffee, fig, dark fruit, maybe some graham cracker? I dunno, there's a lot going on, smells sweet and decadent

T- Somehow even richer on the palette. toffee, burnt marshmallow, brown sugar, decadent.

M- thick, almost cloyingly syrupy, could use some more carb to be just a touch less sticky, great nonetheless and goes with the decadent vibe of the brew

O- if this wasn't so sticky, I'd say I could drink this anytime, but I'm wishing I had saved it for a cold winter rather than a cooler summer eve. Decadent brew that is worth seeking out

GonzoHomebrewer, Jul 30, 2013
Photo of oberon
4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottled on 2-16-05,best before 2011.Poured a deep chesnut brown with well formed light brown one finger head that leaves a trace amount of lace as it settled quickly.Oh the aromas so rich and decadent,nutty and portish with anise notes and caramel and alcohol dipped dark fruit.Chewey mouthfeel very pleasurable,where to begin flavor wise,those tawny port notes and quite raisiny upfront slowly merging into a nutty,woody finish I also noticed a touch of herbal hop toward the end as well wich was suprising and nice.Hmm this is a gem here would age incredibly just awesome.

oberon, May 07, 2006
Photo of mikey711
4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Brewery Aged Version

A: Dark brown with only a mild amount of head that leaves no lace and does not retain at all. Slightly cloudy with minor bits of sediment as well.

S: Very pleasant caramel and toffee note to start. Also a nice hint of toasted almond and a slightly breadiness. Also plenty of fruit notes and a bit of a port quality

T: Starts off with the toasted almond flavor followed by caramel and brown sugar. Definitely sweet, but there is enough going on else where in terms of biscuit notes and toasted flavor where it is not cloying at all.

M: Incredibly smooth with no heat detectable for such a big beer, there is a hint of chalkiness, but for the most part smooth and on for the style

D: For such a big beer it is very easy to drink and highly enjoyable. I think it may be tough to drink to much of this due to the abv but one worth seeking out

mikey711, Mar 09, 2010
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 870 ratings.