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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 938
Reviews: 441
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 8.88%
Wants: 574
Gots: 214 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Photo of DarkerTheBetter
4.27/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to hoppymeal for this one.

This one pours a dark brown with light strawberry and copper around the edges. The head is a frothy tan and manila film.

Smells like fruitcake and fruity liquors with a nice hidden sting of alcohol. I'm also getting a bit of ginger bread here too.

Tastes big and sweet with a caramel kick. The sweet punch falls out into a charred, caramelized sugar and burnt coffee. The finish is still sweet and bready.

Fells thin but with a froth of carbonation that holds things up. Quite clean and dry.

A tasty treat, but a little dry for the style.

Photo of Derek
4.27/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

2012 Vintage.

I've had earlier (lighter) versions of this and never really cared for it. At the first Michigan Brewers Guild Winter Beer Fest I just thought it was harsh, same with other bottles.

This is better. It doesn't need to be 13.5%, but it is better.

A: Initial pour seems like it is almost still, very little carbonation. Deep, deep mahogany, a few tan bubbles surface and it shows a little leg.

S: Alcohol is apparent in the aroma, somewhat sherry-like. Plenty of raisins, figs, dates and hints of field berry.

T: Although it's stronger than early versions, it doesn't seem so. I thought they were plagued by tertiary/fusel alcohol, but not this one. Tons of dates, raisins, figs and dark caramel, hints of roasted nut and cocoa and some meaty melanoidins. Good bitterness, alcohol is certainly warming.

M: Mild carbonation really works, but I still find the residual sweetness a bit much.

O: I still think this is over-rated, but it is a good brew.

Photo of KAP1356
4.27/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Fnally got my hands on this in a trade from bdberr. 12 oz bottle poured into a Weyerbacher tulip...

A - Rich and thick maroon color with some nice darker amber highlights when held to the light. No real head to speak of. The tiniest little eggshell white cap forms and recedes to basically nothing.

S - Rich and buttery aromas. Toffee, caramel, buttery, and some brown sugar. A bit of alcohol comes through along with the slightest bit of coffee. Really very inticing nose.

T - Strong and rich toffee, caramel and very sherry like. Nice dark sugar flavors with some chocolate and coffee at the end. Dark fruits come through as well; raisins, dates, etc. Ever so slight smokiness and/or tobacco flavors at the very end ofthe palate. Really stunning taste. I can only imagine how this one ages. Really reminds me of a nice sherry or port.

M - Slick mouthfeel. Very smooth and medium-heavy bodied. Not much alcohol heat coming through (although there is some there, don't get me wrong. Just not as much as I would have thought).

D - One ofthe best Old Ale's I have ever had. Quite an amazing sipper and the ABV doesn't hinder the enjoyment of this one at all. Cannot wait to try this again in a year or two. So worth the trade!

EDIT: This was the 2010 batch.

Photo of MarcatGSB
4.27/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

BIG props to friend BA abanton. Adam and I met at FoBab, and he sent me a box a week later with some goodies in it. Thanks man! 2010 Vintage, poured from bottle into Founder's Snifter (keep it in MI)

Appearance: Vigorous pour reveals a rather chestnut brown color with a beautiful 2 finger head, dissipating slowly, leaving some nice sticky looking lacing running down the glass.

Smell: The smell is awesome. The glass is brimming with aromas of vanilla, dark ripe fruit, caramel, and toffee. Big molasses and maple syrup with some bright cherry notes lingering in the background.

Taste: Wow, complex stuff. Really has alot going on. It's very sweet, with more of the molasses and caramel coming through...It's almost drying how sweet it is. Very malt foward, with that sweet malt providing alot of body, with some mild vanilla and smoke coming through.

Mouth: This is a sticky sweet ale. I'm not going to fault the beer for that, but it truly his a mouthful. True to style, minimal carbonation, sweet character.

Drink and overall: Definitely very drinkable for being such a high ABV. The alcohol is hidden well. It's extremely well crafted, and fairly well rounded. Probably the best Old Ale I have had in a very long time.

Photo of Dope
4.27/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

2011 bottle

A: Pours a murky dark, dark, dark brown/red. Small fizzy tan head despite aggressive pour; very low carbonation. Almost no lacing, just little specks here and there. Good head retention at least.

S: Very fruity. Loads of raisin, fig, prune, dates...and grape juice? Molasses and toffee too. Caramel, lots of it. Very sweet, almost cloyingly so. Smells similar to a JW Lees if I'm not mistaken.

T: Whoa. Smooth and heavy malts. Loads of caramel, brown sugar, toffee and molasses. LOADS of it. Less fruit here but raisin and fig is still apparent, especially towards the middle. There is a slight taste of alcohol briefly in the finish but it's surprisingly mellow given the low carbonation and high ABV. Finish is a little less sweet, toffee and marshmallow stand out here. Some fruits in the lingering aftertaste but much drier than the initial flavor. Still sweet, just not as much.

M: Heavy body, high ABV and low carbonation. It's thick and smooth but not nearly as cloying as I expected it to be. Surprisingly drinkable.

O: A serious old ale. A must-have for the malt lover with boatloads of maltiness and fruits. No sign of hops here. Above-average drinkability for the ABV, it's surprisingly mellow and smooth. Flavors are quite strong of course but not sharp and overpowering. Would love to get my hands on a barrel aged version of this.

Photo of PsilohsaiBiN
4.27/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

Appearance: Dark crimson with a 1/2 finger of tan head that fades to the perimeter after a few minutes.

Smell: Citrus, biscuity bread, strawberries, hops.

Taste: Biscuit like malt combines nicely with orange and some hops. This is a pleasure to drink for the abv. If I drank this blind and you told me it was 13.5 abv, I wouldn't believe you. Alcohol is masterfully hidden.

Mouthfeel: Not the most carbonated beer in the world but that's expected for the gravity.

Overall: Solid beer, would drink again. Looking forward to many more from Kuhnhenn.

Photo of JRhode
4.27/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle w/ jessethehutt courtesy of MiScusi. 2007 edition.

Burnt amber color with minimal head. Spotty lacing. Smells like vanilla custard, toffee, fig. Taste is more dark fruit, raisin, followed by sweet malt and pumpkin pie spices. Finishes with some alcohol bitterness. Creamy, mouth coating; medium to low carbonation. Alcohol bitterness knocks down mouthfeel a notch. Fairly drinkable for almost 12% abv.

Photo of MasterSki
4.27/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Picked this up at Winter Solstice - must have got a an unusual bottle, as it dates from 2006 and claimed to be "Brewery Aged". Shared with Dave for NBS, and served in a Willimantic pint glass.

A - One finger of dark tan foam that dissipates fairly quickly with some spotty lacing. Transparent cherry-red brown color with a few bubbles lazily rising to the top. Pretty attractive for a small pour of a high-gravity aged old ale.

S - Rum-cake, booze, dark fruits, raisin, chocolate truffle, and some vinous notes. It actually seems a little boozier than the listed 9.5% - doesn't seem significantly lighter than 5th Dementia in any case. There's also something the smells a little woody - but I'm pretty sure this isn't barrel-aged.

T - Again - lots of the same flavors - raisin, caramel, chocolate truffle, booze - There's also an oak/smoke aftertaste that lends a slightly sour or bittering quality to the finish. I'm surprised that two years of brewery aging hasn't mellowed this out a little more. (I'm also relieved it isn't infected, like many older Kuhnhenn bottles.)

M - Lots of residual stickiness, smooth, creamy, full-bodied, with some nice warming alcohol heat.

D - I split a 12oz bottle with two other people - probably ended up with 5oz at most - and yet it seemed like the perfect serving size. It's just so rich and boozy. Definitely a slow sipper, and perfect as a dessert beer or a night cap.

Photo of barleywinefiend
4.27/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Poured a caramel color with a nice tan cap and some bubbles

S: Holy caramel, bourbon, figs, raisins and booze

T:Immediate caramel sweetness with some bourbon heat and a massive amount of residual sugar. Figs, riasins and tobacco are very prevelant in this beer, all the way through. Caramel, toffee and big sugar seem to be the key notes

M: Warm, sweet and boozey on the end. Medium to big body, well carbonated

O: Very nice but as sweet as this beer is a sure headache and sugar rush would follow on a single beer. Wow.

Photo of craytonic
4.27/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2007 bottle, consumed 2/3/10

Appearance: Pour is a deep mahogany brown, little head, but then bubbles spring forth nicel. No lace, but a bright amber-lit looker.

Nose - Cocoa, sherry, port, , toffee, caramel, brown sugar, vanilla, tobacco, and fruit.

Taste - Cocoa, sherry, toffee, and port again (was this barrel aged?), there is something going on that I can't quite grasp. Cherries and berries I suppose, along with the caramel, brown sugar, vanilla, tobacco, and fruit. Just sweet enough. It is good, but for some reason the flavors are neither pronounced or distinct.

Mouthfeel - full and silky smooth but a bit chewy, could not ask for more.

Drinkability - Highly drinkable, you do not notice the 11.8% abv, but then again it is a very small bottle

It is good, but nothing really distinguishes it. Very mellow. Nice by-the-fire sipper, and I like that it has a bit of oxidation to it.

Photo of xpimptastikx
4.27/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

I received a bottle of this in the recent White Whale BIF. I finally get to try some Kuhnhenn

A - Pours a dark mahogany with a fizzy light tan head that leaves a solid 1mm that still hasn't left. Already decent lacing.

S - What an old ale smell. Sweet like caramel and butterscotch with chocolate and that old musty smell. A good amount of raisin and dates as well.

T - Caramel, raisins, chocolate, and a light booziness. It's pretty well balanced, being touch on the sweet side for me, but perfect for the style.

M/D - It's carbonated very well (the sheet of head still hasn't left after 10 minutes). I kind of like this more than the thicker old ales. It still coats the mouth very well, and makes it easier to drink all by myself. A great nightcap.

Photo of SiepJones
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A: Pours a dark chestnut in color. The beer is darker in color when I look through the side of my glass as not much is visible through it. When I look down on my beer from above it is much lighter in color and I can see the bottom of my glass. Not a lot of head on the pour. There is only a thin layer of bubbles collecting around the edges of my glass as the carbonation rises to the top.

S: The scent is sweet and syrupy like a fine rum. There is lots of toffee, caramel present with a slight hint of alcohol on the end.

T: The flavor is that of sugary sweet malt, with a heavy toffee presence. I can't put my finger on it but it tastes like some sort of sweet baked good.

M: A very smooth mouth on the beer, I almost want to describe it as "fluffy". Silky smooth with hardly any carbonation present. I am surprised that at 13.5% ABV there isn't more alcohol presence in the flavor or in the mouthfeel. I don't detect any alcohol bite on my tongue, but can feel my head getting warmer while I drink.

D: An enjoyable sipper that has all the characteristics of an easy drinking beer. I had no problem getting through the first six ounces of beer but have significantly slowed down since then. I will not have anything else besides water after I am done.

Photo of brokenleadedcask
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

2008 vintage

Pouring this into my generic snifter it produced a ton of head. Half the glass filled with an off white, tight bubbled foam. Once the head subsided aromas of raisin, pear and yeast rose to meet me. For a high alcohol beer (over %11) only a slight amount of alcohol can be detected. They also covered the alcohol well in the taste. Flavors of port, more raisin notes, fresh apples and there was a very slight bit of smoke. On the tongue it has a spicy sharp bite on the taste buds and pleasant lingering after taste. This beer is a real treat and presents complex flavors in every sip.

Photo of joe1510
4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz Bottle

2007 Bottling

A big thanks goes out to hoppymeal for this brew among many others, thanks Derek! There's nothing like an old ale to celebrate the first snow of the season. Fourth Dementia's body is the darkest of reds, that red that borders on black and is deep mahogany when a little light gets to it. I can't see any carbonation through the glass when backlit, the beer looks perfectly still. I had to pour hard to get a head but when it finally started forming it was well worth it. Two fingers of beige creaminess sit atop the body and slowly falls to a thick cap leaving insanely sticky lacing all over the glass. The head sticks around forever and makes for a great looking brew.

The nose is loaded with malty goodness. Deeply toasted grains and brown sugar lay down the big malty base. Coca-Cola, Bing cherries, blackberries, and golden raisins all take place in the aroma in that order exactly. Faint whiffs of vanilla and lightly toasted wood pop up here and there. Alcohol comes through with some spiciness. The nose on this old ale is deeply complex and needs time to open up to get all the perks.

Damn! The flavor is just as malty intense as the nose led on. Caramel, brown sugar, and toasted grains all come through in a big way. That sticky sweetness segues directly into the Coca-cola, cherry and blackberry middle. The finish is somewhat peppery and boozy warm which adds more depth and character. The moderate alcohol heat never gets in the way of this brew and it just wouldn't feel right if there were any less heat.

The mouthfeel is right where it should be. Each drink coats the tongue and cheeks with a sticky sweetness that never becomes cloying but in fact disappears not long after the swallow. The carbonation is a little livelier than I expected, which isn't saying much with the still look on the pour.

This beer is big and complex so it's a sipper without a doubt but it goes down especially easy. I take drink after drink trying to pull out all the intricacies of this beer until I realize it's almost gone.

My first sampling of Fourth Dementia was the bourbon barrel aged version, it was fantastic and this one isn't far behind. One of the best of the style I have sampled to date. Thanks for the bottle Derek!

Photo of ZorPrime
4.29/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Received this one from a recent trade with liamt07. Cheers!

Viscous beer, brown in color. Head is very timid.

The nose is strong. Caramel malts, sugars, some rum. Vanilla is too faint initially. In the mouth, this beer explode... Full bodied. Very good. Some caramel notes with a good bitterness. Love this. This is a strong and complex beer. Needs time to fully appreciated this one. Amazing that they are able to make this. I prefer this one, than the barrel aged version. Both are good, but this one is better to me.

Photo of JNForsyth
4.29/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

Photo of LuckySevens82
4.29/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle courtesy of Gaisgeil

Pours a dull ruby brown with no head or lacing. Not much carbonation in this one.

Smell is pretty darn complex. Loads of dark ripe fruits (rasins, dates, figs), molasses, rum, toffee, slight chocolate aroma, definitely wine like and quite a bit of alcohol in the nose.

Taste is also very fruity (same as above), molasses is present, as are caramel, toffee, chocolate, a rum like character, a slight hoppiness, and a very nice alcohol warming sensation as this one goes down (sensation is almost on par with bourbon whiskey). A bit wine-like in flavor, but not nearly as much as it is in the aroma.

Mouthfeel is good, it's not nearly as flat as I originally thought it was when I poured it into the glass. It coats the tongue and the alcohol warming sensation is quite nice.

Overall...a very very good old ale, something that I could definitely have again.

Photo of sleuthdog
4.29/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

2011 vintage into Kuhnhenn snifter

Pour: Copper brown with ruby highlights. Head tried to form but ultimately failed.

Smell: Dark fruits, (figs, dates, raisins), toffee, caramel and brown sugar...just a big sweet forward beer. This regular version is much fruitier than the BB version and does not have a note of alcohol at all.

Taste: Dark fruits up first. Huge taste of figs, raisins, plums and dates that seem to be covered with caramelized brown sugar. Again very sweet and toffee like with a slight alcohol burn. I find this regular 4D to have a tart taste in the back end and through the finish. A very nice warming sensation from this one.

Mouthfeel: Thick and viscous. Covers all areas of the palate with sticky sweetness. The sweetness is even found on the lips after sipping. Light carbonation.

Overall: Not as mind blowing as the BB4D was to me but wow is this beer put together to perfection. This is like a spirit sipper for sure. Sweet, complex and decadent!

Thanks Ryan, rpbuckeye!

Photo of wethorseblanket
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%

Photo of spinrsx
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12oz Bottle

Appearance – Hazy brown colour with an average size off-white coloured head. There is a low amount of carbonation showing and there is some really good lacing. The head lasted for around 5 minutes before it was gone.

Smell - Malts, caramel, hops, dark fruits, vanilla

Taste & Mouth - There is a slightly below average amount of carbonation and I can taste malts, caramel and toffee. There is also a touch of hop bitterness and I can taste some raisins and light vanilla. The beer finishes with a sweet buttery and malty aftertaste.

Overall – You'd never guess that the beer had 13.5% alcohol. It's very well hidden and while the taste is very sweet it isn't too over the top. I'd definitely like to have a few bottles of this on hand for the colder months. It's a well crafted and well balanced beer and is well worth seeking out.

Photo of crossovert
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2010 Vintage.

It pours a dark brown, more or less black with a fizzy and small light tan head. It quickly fizzes away with just a few specks of lacing. Kind of expected at this abv, but yet some brewers manage to produce beers with decent heads at this abv.

The smell is good. There is a noticeable old ale base. The bourbon and oak aren't overpowering but still highly noticeable. There is a huge amount of dark fruits and a hint of soy.

The taste is rich with bourbon and dark fruits. Really deep dark fruit notes. The bourbon adds a bit of alcohol, vanilla, and caramel. It isn't too alcoholic in the taste though, not too hot. It warms the tummy for sure though. It feels like you are drinking a liqueur rather than a beer taste-wise.

This is a beer that combines the best aspects of an old ale with some really good barrel notes. I would recommend tracking down a bottle.

Photo of kohoutek
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Kuhnhenn strikes again! It is nice to see the emergence of yet another fine Michigan brewery. Yet most importantly, this beer serves as an important challenger to a beer that has been held close to the hearts of Michiganders for many years.

The Fourth Dementia Olde Ale is truly the only worthy competition to Bell's Third Coast Old Ale I have tasted. Upon glancing at this ale, the drinker is met with its garnet hue. A deep whiff reveals its wonderful caramel nose. Not to be dissapointed, the flavors that emerge are right on par with what you would expect (hope for). Caramel, Graham cracker, fresh baked bread . . a bisquit/crystal nose that proves Kuhnhenn is a house run by those that love beer and respect the grains that contribute to these elixirs.

This beer is balanced delicately with a very clean neutral hop variety to lengthen its finish without overstating its malty qualities. Do not be confused . . . this beer is a malt afficionadoes beer. Pure, full and lingering. Yes hopheads (and I am one), malts have a wonderful vinous viscosity that we can re-experience in this beer.

Cheers!

Photo of schlimenhaumer
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12oz. bottle into a Southampton snifter at low altitude.

A: Pours a semi-transparent dark copper/ruby color with almost no head, which is unsurprising given the ABV. Leaves a little bit of lacing on the glass because it's so viscous.

S: A strong sweet malty smell. Marshmallows, caramel malts, raisins, prunes. The alcohol doesn't come through very much in terms of smell.

T: This one is sweet and malty all the way through, while still managing to remain well-balanced. Sugar, toffee, marshmallows, caramel malts are all at play here. No alcohol burn on the finish.

M: Full-bodied, sticky and wet without much carbonation. Fits the flavors quite nicely.

D: This would be ideal as a dessert beer. It's sweet, but not overpoweringly so. The alcohol is concealed very well, so this one could be dangerous. Definitely worth trying if you have the chance.

Photo of birderbeerer
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Caramel beer with a golden tint. Two-finger, creamy head.

Aroma is super-sweet malts with caramel and butter too.

Taste is even better. Very sweet but creamy and smooth with drier malts tasting like white toast, salty butter, and caramel. Lots of caramel. So creamy and thick. Unbelievably well-hidden abv.

Imminently drinkable. Delicious and easy going down.

Photo of Flipadelphia
4.3/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance- Rich dark cherry color, consistent and little to no head probably due to alcohol content

Smell- nice cherry smell, continues rich, the remainder of the scent but reminds me of dark fruits, and it smells sweet and deep. Can smell either brown sugar or molasses, when I tried to smell figs and the beer in short order, I could distinctly smell figs.

Taste- This tastes really wonderful, as I continued to drink it, the taste got stronger, deeper and better. Complex taste that has character at the start, sweetness in the middle, and solid finish. No taste is overpowering and no single taste dominates. As such, the strength of the flavor never overpowers your palate. For a beer with such a high alcohol content, this beer has a well rounded taste. As the beer warms in your glass the flavor only improves. Can taste dark cherry and figs/dates.

Mouthfeel- creamy feel in your mouth, sweet but not sugary, subtle tastes help this high alcohol content beer from having an overpowering feel while drinking it, and the finish is smooth and continues to develop the flavor rather than leaving any type of after-taste that could possibly ruin the experience.

Drinkability- This is a great beer that I could have a couple glasses of. Due to the complexity of the flavor, I'm not sure that more than 2 or 3 glasses would continue to be great, but the both glasses I enjoyed were great and the flavor got better the more in took over my palate.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 938 ratings.