Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Ratings: 927
Reviews: 439
rAvg: 4.29
pDev: 8.86%
Wants: 567
Gots: 208 | FT: 23
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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4.75/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. brown bottle; brewed on 08-01-04, best before 2010; $2.79 for single bottle

Pours an almost opaque deep ruby color with orange/amber tints around the edges and a thick creamy head that dissipates slowly and leaves beautiful yet sparse lace on the sides of the glass. The aroma is mostly caramel sweet with some sherry, raisin, and molasses notes detected along with just a hint of spiciness from the hops. The flavor here is all malt. It is a sweet caramel malt flavor with just enough noble hops bitterness to balance this big boy out. There are some hints of raisin, sherry, molasses and brown sugar along with some alcohol warming. This beer is big in the mouthfeel department, smooth, creamy and chewy all the way to the end. The flavors will linger on your tongue long after the beer is gone... and that is a good thing! Now this is my kind of beer!

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4.75/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Received this long time want from Eric (viggo) in the Gentlemen's Club BIF. 2007 Vintage. Poured into a snifter.

A- Pours a very dark brown with shades of maroon throughout. Very little clarity. Produced a fingers width of off-white head. Over time dissipated into a thin ring around the glass.

S- Malt explosion. Lightly smoked malts, along with toffee and caramel scents. Also picking up a bit of vanilla and barrel as well. The barrel I'm noticing gives the beer a slightly nutty attribute.

T- Oh man, just heavenly. Easily one of the best beers I have had in a long, long time. For a few brief moments an oak barrel, malt flavor lingers on the palate. However, a wave a vanilla, caramel flavors just transform this beer into something so beautiful. Almost like Vanilla Bean DL except the sweetness was not as overwhelming. This beer finishes sweet, but not as sweet as say Dark Lord or Darkness. Just perfect.

M- If there was ever a beer that matched the mouthfeel with the taste perfectly, this was it. Medium bodied, but was silky and smooth. Left some residual stickiness on the palate.

D- I could have put this down so quickly, but I tried to savor each sip. Didn't even notice that this was close to 12%abv.

Overall, this beer, particularly this vintage, is just ridiculous. All I can say is that if you have 2007 Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia, send them to me ;^)

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4.75/5  rDev +10.7%

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4.75/5  rDev +10.7%

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4.75/5  rDev +10.7%

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4.78/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Bottle (2011)

Acquired via trade
Thanks, whartontallboy!

(Aged for 1+ year)

Very dark brown throughout. Even the edges are the darkest of browns. There is effectively zero visible carbonation after an aggressive pour. A few large bubbles appear at the center/top of the liquid, but effectively, this looks still. I suppose this is the only disapointing aspect of this beer, but the appearance becomes altogether meaningless after tasting this.

Fantastic aroma, though the flavor is even better. The aroma is a wonderful combination of melted caramel candies, chocolate covered marshmallows, maple syrup, and an earthy/honey sweetness. Complete and expressive.

An absurdly good (non barrel-aged) old ale. There is so much complexity here, usually found only in beers of this style that have been barrel-aged. Layers of dark fruits, caramels and toffees, mild chocolate and marshmallow, and maple sweetness coat the tongue. The alcohol is remarkably well hidden. I haven't had the opportunity to try this beer fresh, but I'm happy I sat on this one for the length I did.

Medium bodied with very low carbonation. Slightly chewy, coating, oily. Lovely and decadent.

My favorite of a favorite style. Perfection. Looking forward to opening the barrel-aged one next.

Photo of BGDrock
4.78/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.75

Appearance: no head (might be the glass though), foggy dark brown like an americano

Aroma: fascinating, mystifying - raisin, prune, rich complex port; just beautiful!; perfume - slightly floral, over-ripe fruit like apple that's gone brown and rinkled (in a good way)

Taste & Mouthfeel: thick and oily; burnt caramel of the deepest kind, vanilla - like a more intense creme brulee; just a hint of burn in the finish - which goes on for days with simmered dark fruit flavour; hints of coffee bitterness; over time the alcohol becomes more prominent, as well as chocolate, coffee, burnt flavours, but still masterfully balanced with fruit and caramel

Overall: love when a beer has a undefinable, complex flavour that keeps you coming back for more, trying to reason what makes it so good - this is that and more; a must have and probably great aged a few years

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4.78/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12oz. bottle, brewed 2/16/05.

Hazy initially, but cleared considerably even as I drank. Dark brown, with lots of ruby highlights. Small, creamy, light brown head. No lacing, but quite leggy.

Chocolate& caramel greet the nose. Some roast notes (faint). Smells very rich. Just a bit of tartness, cherries, I think. Dark fruits, plums, raisins and figs. Smells like a malt bomb!

It is! It is! It is a malt bomb! And I'm damn happy to be the target! Sweet, almost port-like in taste. Dark fruits and chocolate come out first, followed by some caramel. Roast notes, again quite faint. Alcohol there, but well hidden. Tea flavors. Herbal bitterness at the finish, more noticeable in aftertaste, provides just a bit of balance.

Heavy and coating in body. Low to almost no carbonation. Alcohol warming present with first sip. Very rich and smooth. Touch of drying near finish, probably related to alcohol content.

Not really sure how something like this could be improved! I'm a certified hop head, but this malt bomb was one of the most delicious beers I've ever drank.

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4.78/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Received in a trade from Hoppymeal.

Pours a deep mahogany brown with notes of red. Nice fizzy head despite the age.

Smell is very malty with dark fruits dominating. Cherries, figs, some toasty grain.

Taste is very nicely balanced sweet but not too sweet.

Mouthfeel is fantastic. It's got body but some of the softest carbonation that really lit up the palate.

Easily one of the best sippers out there.

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4.78/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Pours a rich, dark mahogany with a silky tan head and nice lacing.

Nose has figs, plums, cherries, chocolate, toffee, caramel, honey, pecans, and brandy. Simply superb.

Taste is just as complex. Flavors of port, dark pitted fruits, carmelized candies, nutty malts and cognac.

Full creamy body is delicately carbonated. Long, lasting finish.

Near perfect example of the style. Will age well fro years to come.

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4.83/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

A. Extremely dark brown. No light comes through. Very limited, tan head and no lacing. Almost seems like a deep liquor.

S. Very nice malty, nutty scent. Thick. Caramel in there.

T. That is arguably the smoothest beer I've ever had. Beautiful toffee blended with a floralness. Nice nut taste. There's a cotton-candy taste to it. Love it.

M. Nice sweet tingle.

O. Certainly this is the best ale that I've ever had. Absolutely the smoothest most wonderful ale I've tried.

Photo of SportsandJorts
4.83/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

2013 Vintage

Appearance: dark brown with reddish hues. almost opaque in color. a small, half finger of a tannish head that fades slowly to nothing.

Smell: first i get malts, sweet toffee, caramel, slight molasses that comes through. vinous flavors. oxidized dark fruits. very sweet but not grossly.

Taste: strong sweet malts at first some caramel and toffee, more subtle molasses and a very slight roastiness play in. the end consists of dark fruits, quite vinous in taste. the flavors are very oxidized and show the age well. quite a bit of alcohol comes through without being astringent or off putting.

Mouthfeel: thick, chewy, leathery, and sticky. lots of alcohol warmth. sweetness and alcohol balance nicely. feels strong probably close to what it is but is in a suitable balance.

Overall: This beer is exactly what I look for in a big beer, its flavors are intense and it pushes the style guides to the extreme but stays with the constraint (besides gravities and alcohol).

Photo of jsvt
4.83/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a stemless wine glass. 2008

Translucent toffee with a few finger head and ceaseless retention. Lacing all over the place.

Butterscotch, hops, malt honey and slight bitterness on the nose.

As it warms up the palate reveals Great Butterscotch. It goes from burnt caramel to perfect toffee as you continue to sip.

The balance is amazing between sweet and hop. Alcohol is masked in a treat that is truly an endulgance.

Will seek more of this in differnt years and to experience this one of a kind brew again!

Photo of jjayjaye
4.83/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a cloudy dark brown color with better than a full finger foamy light tan head, leaving sheets of lacing in its wake. The smell is amazing. An aggressive dark fruit fig and sweet molasses aroma. I'm REALLY taken in by the smell to the point of distraction; maybe i ought to take a mouthful. Wow, what a kick in the pants!. The mouth feel is first very creamy and medium large bodied. The fig of the nose comes through really strong in the flavor then its overwhelmed by an intense molasses taste. Quite sweet. The 9.5. ABV is warming to be sure. I'm not finding that level of alcohol distracting. I'm assessing the weight to be something that i wouldn't session (if i had a frig full of them...which, i don't), but I find it a cinch to drink and I'm savoring the balance as best I can. Lightly carbonated, there is plenty of the alcohol coming through on subsequent mouthfuls and the dark fruit character is lingering nicely. This one is unique and imaginative to be sure; BRAVO!Thanks a lot for the trade Matt.

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4.83/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

GLASS: Snifter
TEMP: Poured at approx 42 degrees, warmed to room temp
VINTAGE: 2007 (12.5%abv)

This pours up a deep, yet vibrant, ruby/garnet color with some dark amber highlights. A very thin film of tan/beige foam forms the head, which never really leaves. It's small enough to hang around and not have to worry about diminishing, but at this abv level, I wouldn't expect much more of a head than this. The lacing is filled with tiny little spots which are sticky enough to fight against the oily-ness that coats the sides of the glass and drags them back down to the liquid surface.

This nose is deep, rich, and very complex. Loads of maple and dark fruit notes. Good hints of vanilla. Red grapes and a slight earthy/mustiness. Hints of black currants and a slight trace of cotton candy sweetness. Candied apple notes. Lots of caramel richness and sweet notes of brown sugar. Light hints of wood notes. Earthiness of dark molasses. As expected, it has an almost port like quality to it, overall.
An amazing nose, even in the realm of Old Ales, where noses are commonly amazing.

Initial taste is a malted milk bar, dipped in maple syrup. The earthiness comes forward to balance out the sweetness, which is still here, but somewhat muted. Still lots of dark fruit notes, along with some maraschino cherries and ranier cherries on the back end. Minor notes of green vegetables touch the mid-palate. Very nice presence of salted caramels. Lots of wood presence. Minor earthy hop notes. Lots of dates and figs, along with some light notes ohfmolasses and tobacco.
Overall, this is very rich, deep and complex. As far as old ales go, this is absolutely one of my top faves.

Very much a full-bodied brew, with a slightly oily feel to it. Low carbonation level, which works very well for it. Very smooth and a tiny touch of creaminess. Almost silky.

This is extremely drinkable. Very smooth and delicious. Just be careful of that high abv. You don't taste it, but you will certainly feel it after just a little bit of time goes by.

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4.83/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A- Pours a deep scarlet hue carrying a small coffee head.

S- The smell is amazing and I know i'm going to blow it on the description but i'm going to try anyway. Sweet bready malt up front followed by an intoxicating dark fruit armoa, figs, possibly hints of plum which lead into a subtle hop afterthought.

T- The taste seems to be the inverse of the smell, some hops up front followed by a gentle wave of dark fruit which sweeps the palate and carries an alcohol warming with it. After that wave ebbs, a hop bitterness lingers. I am definitely going to get my hands on another one and let it age for a year or two. By far the best old ale i've ever experienced.

M- Thick with an ample amount of carbonation for the style.

D- This was such a delight to drink it is almost indescribable. I definitely would not be in the mood for this all the time but on a cold winter night I can think of nothing better.

Photo of 2BDChicago
4.83/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

My friend Oach had his bro-in-law hit Kuhnhenn's at the 2010 Winter Solstice party and bought a sixer of each of (7) flav's that day.

A: Rich and deep mahogony red brown. Soft bubbly, tan head that quickly disapated.

S: Holy swinging monkeys. Crazy complexity, I don't know where to start. Alcohol and dark fruit come to mind first, but there's way more depth than I can isolate at first sniff. Super seductive blend of molasses, black cherry, vanilla, and clean-pure rocket fuel.

T: Raisins and black currants soaked in alcohol. Then a port wine sweetness and than dark chocolate covered cherries. Could use some aging to take the edge off.

D: This shit is the real deal. Definition of complexity and it blows my mind the variety of well defined flavors that emerge. At 13.5% abv the fuel is present, but not in a burning or instrusive way. The aroma is so awesome, I could almost just smell this brew and not even taste it....almost. When I think of a end of the night snifter, this very rich brew is the benchmark.

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4.85/5  rDev +13.1%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

2008 vin

Clings to the glass and everything. My palate, nose and eyes can't leave the beer alone. Woah. Burnt orange color matches the burnt sweet orange flavor. Sticky burnt sugar sweetness and citrus hop bitterness blend and become confection greatness. An indulgence. A slight amount of oxidation present on the finish. Great in all ways, proficient. saying this to my now emty glass.

Photo of Hollister
4.88/5  rDev +13.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Damn near perfect. Without question the best olde ale that I've ever had. Exremely complex but still balanced. Very syrupy. Can keep it in your mouth forever and the longer you wait the more you find. Alcohol comes through in the finish, accompanied by a last-minute hoppy bitterness. It could be a desert beer - but there are so many layers to the malt that you don't really consider it a sweet beer while you drink it. A thick head was not expected for this style, however it did seem slightly under-carbonated - perhaps a bit more and the palette would be opened up to dig through the layers of flavor. As I continue to drink this brew, more and more I'm impressed by the finish - the alcohol dries things out and the hop-content thrives.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
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