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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Reviews: 445
Hads: 998
Avg: 4.26
pDev: 13.62%
Wants: 600
Gots: 218 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Reviews: 445 | Hads: 998
Photo of CharlesDarwin
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Originally reviewed on December 1, 2006. 12 Oz Bottle. Sweet sugar currant malt amalgamation of raisin, cream and fragrant yeast. Light fruitcake spice and aged rum. Candied papaya and other fruits. Colored with clouded pale mahogany with deep ruby-brown core and sunset fringes. Rim of off-white. A quiet silky smooth palate of fresh creamy raisins and loads of tawny caramel malts. A highlight of fresh black cardamon pods over the yeast character. A background of tooth-biting hop flavor rallied around a lemon kiss in the middle of the tongue. Sweet mexican cocoa powder and heavy british toffees with faint buttermilk arise from the middle. Alcohol alights the sinuses, however gently. Beautifully malt flavors. A touch cloying and clingly. Dark sugars fringes edge towards a hint of medicine notes, which keep this from excelling. But, the dry chocolate and faint coffee highlights are especially appreciated. Faint oxidation.

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Photo of Hollister
4.85/5  rDev +13.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Damn near perfect. Without question the best olde ale that I've ever had. Exremely complex but still balanced. Very syrupy. Can keep it in your mouth forever and the longer you wait the more you find. Alcohol comes through in the finish, accompanied by a last-minute hoppy bitterness. It could be a desert beer - but there are so many layers to the malt that you don't really consider it a sweet beer while you drink it. A thick head was not expected for this style, however it did seem slightly under-carbonated - perhaps a bit more and the palette would be opened up to dig through the layers of flavor. As I continue to drink this brew, more and more I'm impressed by the finish - the alcohol dries things out and the hop-content thrives.

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Photo of mrasskicktastic
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - A fairly dark brown color with a half a finger of short-lived head with a thin ring of lacing that forms. Specks of lacing adorn the glass throughout.

S - Concord grape juice, dark red fruit juices - cherries and blackberries. A bit of dates and figs.

T - Excellent. The foretaste is dominated by a truly fantastic presentation of blackberries. The aftertaste is mostly grape with a fruity bitterness.

M - Smooth, thin, slick and very refreshing.

D - Awesome. Too strong to session. The bitterness is of a type that detracts from teh drinkability, but it would be better with food. If I ever find it again, I will have it again. Why doesn't Kuhnhenn distribute more?!? This is the only Kuhnhenn beer I have had and it is simply amazing. I hope to get my hands on many more of their beers. Hopefully I can make it up to their brewpub one day.

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Photo of fartingdog
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Brewed on 02/16/05

Pours a dark brown, almost black color, with a decent, yet quickly receeding head. First whiff was delicious - sweet, berry-like and rich. The taste? My first remark was 'delicious'. Full and rich with licorice, berries, dates and caramel. Mouthfeel is delectable, rich and smooth. There's a faint alcohol warming on the finish. This is a fantastic beer to savor.

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Photo of alexgash
4.55/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Served at 60 degrees F.

Brewed on 02-16-05

13.5% abv

Dark caramel corn brown edges around a deep ruby body. Finger of cobwebby, clingy, khaki brown head. Nose of oak, sherry, tart cherry-vinous-grape, scorched maple syrup, hints of alcohol, vanilla, and caramel. Pretty complex if you ask me--and good! Sweet caramel sugar malt up front. Vinous fruity tartness follows. I can taste the age on this and it tastes good. Notes of oak, vanilla, and madeira mid-palate. Gets fruitier and finishes sweet. The hops are super mellow but provide some nice balance. Warming and malty and very good. Full-bodied, ultra-creamy smooth feel. Velvety. 13.5%! I never would have guessed. Glad I bought a sixer. Might have to lay down some of those though to try next year(s).

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Photo of mcallister
4.97/5  rDev +16.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This one pours out and has olde ale written all over it. A dark opaque amber showing scarlet hues when held too light. Pours with a small quickly dissipating brown head that leaves very little lace behind.

Maybe the best smelling beer I've ever laid nose on. Hard too pull my face out of the Great Lakes Christmas ale snifter holding this elixir. First thing you notice is the vast amounts of toffeed caramel very sweet malt that slaps you in the face. This leads into brown sugar, maple, mollasses, dried fig, a bit of woodsy bourbon, dried cherry, alcohol, and a plethora of other pleasing delectable aromas. One hell of a smell!!

This beer is what all others in this style strive to be. Perfectly balanced with an over the top complexity. Upon entrance you get a sour bing cherry that leads into a mass of goings on in the mid palate, caramel, toffee, sweet succulent malt, dried fig as well as dried berries, a maple syrup touch, brown sugar, no signs of alcohol. The perfect beer for a dreary cold day like today. This beer screams age me, at least 5 more years of maturing was in this olde ales future. The finish is medium and has a nice floral bitterness that mingles quite well with the lingering sweet brown sugar malty heavan.

Mouthfeel thick and chewy and succulently sweet. I could drink this beer daily for the rest of my life and be happy. Great job from a great brewery.

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Photo of TastyTaste
4.56/5  rDev +7%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Appearance: Dark brown until held to light, then the body lights up to a brilliant red color. Head is tan, about 3/4", slow fading.

Smell: Sugar and maple syrup. Rich, with some dark fruits. Very sweet.

Taste: Rich and strong, but muted and earthy. The back end has some nice hop bitterness. Rich and smooth, as the style dictates. I would like to try and age a bottle of this, i think it would mature wonderfully. Probably the second best Old Ale I have tried.

Drinkability: Well rounded and extremely enjoyable. A very good example of the style. Thanks to warriorsoul for the trade.

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Photo of IntriqKen
4.77/5  rDev +12%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This may be the sweetest desert beer I have ever had.
Poured a deep, deep dark brown with amber tones.
Aromas are caramel, dark chocolate, dark fruits like raisins, plums, burnt sugar (brown sugar?), and sweet alcohol.
Mouthfeel is slippery creamy smooth with light carbonation.
Taste is an amplification of the smell. Sugar, caramel, brown sugar, raisins, plums, stewed prunes, and sweet alcohol. Maybe a little toasted malt.
Aftertaste is sweet dark fruits with a comfortable warming.
This is an incredible desert beer.

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Photo of egajdzis
4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a hazy copper color with a thin, light tan head that left spotty lacing on the glass. Aroma of tangerine, citrus fruits, pine, caramel wiith some tobacco as well. Taste of pine, sticky caramel malts, with more tobacco, citrus fruits, and, light alcohol as well.

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Photo of RonfromJersey
4.72/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Best before 2011 ?

Dark brown/black body with ruby highlights. Held up to the light it looks like a goblet of blood. Small tan head collars the glass and clings a half inch up from the surface. Tempting.

Filthy rich aroma includes mocha, licorice, some fresh bread, tons of fruit, and big floral notes. Delightfully complex even if I can't identify all the elements.

Taste is ...wow. The mocha java from the aroma is here, intwined with some wonderous caramel. Sweet and alcoholic but not cloying. Some dark fruits plum about the surface. Big hit of cherry.

Mouthfeel is halfway from medium to thick, and feels damn fine. Drinkability...this is a sipper, because its good enough to slowly savor, you won't want the bottle to end.

My first beer from Kuhnhenn. Lived up to all the good word. Not demented to say this is damn good.

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Photo of BuckeyeNation
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Black cherry cordial beneath a three finger crown of attractive golden caramel foam. As the proportions of beer and head begin to reverse, I'm amazed at the fiery brilliance of the liquid. An ABV of 11% is probably a bit high to expect much lace, and, in fact, the glass is almost untouched. Still though, this is a very nice looking old ale.

The nose--by my nose at least--is indistinguishable from a barleywine. In addition to aromas of concentrated cherries and raspberries, there's a good bit of sweet caramel and fruit juice infused tobacco. Alcohol is present, as it will most likely be for at least several more years. I need more complexity and sheer force of personality to break out the big numbers though.

On the palate, I'm again reminded of a barleywine. The flavor profile follows the nose directly and, like the nose, could be deeper and more multi-faceted. I started the bottle out at barely cool so I don't think that temperature is an issue. Let's see what happens as the ounces disappear.

My taste buds are quite happy during the initial submersion. For such a big beer though, the flavor fades a bit too quickly, never quite reaching critical mass. I need more time to explore all of the beer's dimensions, but I can't quite get to the third one, the one that bestows volume and depth. I'm probably being a little hard on Fourth Dementia, but my expectations were sky high and they weren't met. That always makes me a little grumpy.

Caramel-drizzled, brandy-soaked cherries account for most of the flavor profile. I had a feeling that the hops that were present when this bottle was young (bottled on 8-1-04) have long since faded and that's exactly the case. There isn't a great of sweetness to counter though, so a huge hop load isn't needed at this point. The finish is on the short side for the style. The high ABV and the lack of malty assertiveness see to it that it's drying as well.

The body fills out a little from start to finish and manages to reach softly creamy by the final few ounces. It's nowhere near too carbonated, but a few fewer bubbles would have made the mouthfeel more silky and more enjoyable than it already is. This is a pretty good sipper though, I'm glad that I chose a snifter.

This bottle of Fourth Dementia has been biding its time in my cellar for over a year now. Given the 'best before 2010' on the label, I was in no hurry to sample the goods. After drinking it, I don't believe that it's going to improve from here on out. In the final reckoning, it's a good old ale, but 'great' never even crossed my mind.

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Photo of blackie
4.17/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

appearance: In the snifter, the beer has a slight, khaki colored head. The color is a deep, rich brown.

smell: Upfront are lightly toasted malts with big notes of date and dark sugars. As the beer warms, just the right amount of ethanol opens up. Plenty of muddy hop aroma.

mouthfeel: The carbonation is at a very smooth, light, almost perfect level. The body is full and syrupy.

taste: A big barley sweetness with thick flavors of dark fruits and a nice ethanol bite dominate. The hop flavor is considerable and pretty heavy with the taste of hop pulp, though very well blended with the sugary malts. The hop flavor opens up and becomes floral in the finish, and the bitterness tries its best to back up the malt sugars.

drinkability: a good beer and pretty easy to sip on

bottle split with dirtylou during my stay in Madison...best by 2010

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Photo of onsite416
4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle Dated 2.16.05
a= really did not see this one coming. Poured a dark brown, and then seemed to turn to dark amber. Very thin white head was gone in it 2 seconds.

s= Loads of berries, caramel, malts & zest of lemon.

t= Champagne caramel taste right off the bat. Alcohol followed right after. Then raisons, fig & brown

m= A little acidic, the taste overwhelms that fact.

d= would definitely be able to enjoy more than one. Although you would want another BA near you, way too many flavors in this beer for one person to determine.

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Photo of blitz134
4.32/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Well...its my 24th b-day today...and this beer had its 2nd b-day yesterday...I thought it was fitting that I had this today...

Dark garnet color, obvious floaties drift around. Really no head on the pour, only an offwhite ring around the glass. The beer sparkles in the glass. Looks nice...

Dark fruit aromas raisin, fig and plum, hints of cherries. Alcohol is obvious. Toasted malt aromas come in later on and fill out the body of this beer. Great aroma...

This beer is still a bit hot, super alcoholic tasting but doesn't burn too much to turn me off to it. Lots to the taste. Toasted malts again come forth with some caramel sweetness. Dark fruits come out again, fig and plums. Finish is a bit of tobacco. Nicely done overall. This could use another year, although the alcohol might not ever dissapate.

Medium to full bodied mouthfeel. I'd like it to be a bit creamier. Overall a really tasty beer. Complex aroma and taste. A bit hot still, but tolerable. Good overall.

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Photo of Gusler
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Upon its release the beer sets in the glass a beclouded ruby red with a personable creamy light tan head that slowly evaporates leaving an admirable sheet of lace. Nose has a bit of muskiness with sweet malt, hints of caramel, delectable this nose, sweet at the start, grain profile perfect and the top middling in its feel. Finish has a determined acidity, the hops spicy and enjoyable, the after taste dry, with a nice bit of tummy warming, a total hit with me, and a must try.

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Photo of mentor
4.75/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Hand-carried home to Colorado by my lovely wife. How cool is that. Pours a thin layer of tan head over a clear red-brown liquid. During the pour is smelled chocolate and sweet riding a clean alcohol. To the nose it's plum, raisin, toffee, cherry. Similar to a belgian dark without the phenolic edgy funk. Leather, oak and tobacco. Really inticing...this has *got* to taste delicious.

Tastes phenomenal. Chocolate, brown sugar, nutty, toffee, with hints of sherry. A bit of plum, fig, vanilla and some caramel. Woody dry. Almost comes across as oaky. But wet sweet while in the mouth due to the thick body. Hot from alcohol, but not a bit of alcohol flavor. Dry aftertaste has a rough grassy character that I think comes from the alcohol. Thick mouthfeel with very modest carbonation. This beer was wonderful as a snipper. I would eagerly accept another.

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Photo of Brian700
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. bottle from trbeer
11% ABV

Pours a dark garnet color with a tan head that settles down to a thin layer. Some lacing but not a bunch.

The aroma is great. Heavy molasses and dark fruit ( figs, raisins)

The flavor is also of heavy molasses, figs, dates, raisins. Must be maris otter malt because of the striking resemblance to Thomas Hardy. There is some alcohol presence giving it a warming sensation. This is a top notch beer.

The mouthfeel is full bodied with medium carbonation. Coats the mouth nicely and the flavor last long after the swallow.

This is a very drinkable beer and I MUST get my hands on some more. I highly recommend it.

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Photo of Dithyramb
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottled on 2-16-05, best before 2011.
Poured deep dark cloudy brown with a wisp of tan head.
Dark molasses and rummy raisin aromas.
Both come through in a hearty, syrupy brew. Maybe some green hops, but mostly burnt malts here. Dark fruit and booze on the finish. Medium to heavy sweet mouthfeel leaves one wanting more. Enjoyed while watching the sunset, would like more.

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Photo of oberon
4.37/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottled on 2-16-05,best before 2011.Poured a deep chesnut brown with well formed light brown one finger head that leaves a trace amount of lace as it settled quickly.Oh the aromas so rich and decadent,nutty and portish with anise notes and caramel and alcohol dipped dark fruit.Chewey mouthfeel very pleasurable,where to begin flavor wise,those tawny port notes and quite raisiny upfront slowly merging into a nutty,woody finish I also noticed a touch of herbal hop toward the end as well wich was suprising and nice.Hmm this is a gem here would age incredibly just awesome.

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Photo of assurbanipaul
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours a hazy brown with a little ring of a head. Aroma is big and sweet, like a malty maple syrup.

Taste is robust. Lots of caramelized malt, maybe even flavors of roasted meat (duck?). Sweet butterscotch, cream butter, maple syrup, light indistinct hop bitterness. A hint of smoke, maybe cigarette ash, peat, fruity like a merlot, more maple syrup again. No flavors of alcohol, but you can feel the heat if you hold it on the palate.

Mouthfeel is heavy like a barleywine but smooth like a scotch. Shares a lot of elements with a nice aged scotch, especially when warmed slightly. Dances around both the barleywine and fine Scottish ale styles. I agree with the others, a bold and tremendous flavor profile that, strangely, hurts its drinkability (too intense?). But me likey, and it would be great to age.

Label says bottled on 08-01-04, 11% ABV.

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Photo of xgrigorix
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Twelve ounce brown bottle. Brewed on date, along with best by 2011.

Deep rudy chestnut brown. Thin whisp of a beige coloured head. No lace.

Smells like caramel dipped apples that have been marinating in port. Also a slight solvent smell.

Toffe and caramel abound. Intense malt. Comples with a pleasant fruitiness. Finishes off-dry, without becoming cloying. Warms the throat on the way down. Viscous, full bodies elixer with very relaxed carbonation. An excellent adventure.

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Photo of hoppymeal
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Wow, Kuhnhenn knows old ale. This beer pours a dark brown color with hints of a deep red in the light. There is no head no matter how rapid I pour it and a low level of carbonation. Rich sugary caramel and prune aromas let me know I am in for a treat. Light bitterness in present in the taste but it is balanced and overpowered by the sweet rich malty flavors. The alcohol is so well balanced it is barely discernible, just a warming in the back of the throat in the finish. A sipper for sure, this beer is a very fine example of one of my favorite styles.

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Photo of shbobdb
3.95/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

This beer is caramel coffee. What a delightful idea! I think I will start my day out with that tomorrow, caramel coffee.
Rich and sweet, with a definate coffee/bitter chocolate presence rounded off with deep prunes and Kirschwasser.
This is a mighty tastey beer. There are hops in this brew . . . somewhere, but they are so dominated by the malts in the flavour profile that you really only notice it when you either smell the beer (where it is mixed with beautiful malts and booze) or in the lingering aftertaste.
Even the mouthfeel is nice. Thin, yet round. Very tastey. I really like it.
The booze is still a little too present, though. The one mark against an amazing beer. The goodness wins out over the badness though.

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Photo of Crosling
4.15/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12’er. Burning forest in color. Rich, somwhat vinous, malt accented nose with hints of chocolate, plums, figs and molasses. Soft carbonation. Rich malty flavor, reminiscent of chocolate, fruits (raisins, plums) and a touch of toffee. Light on the palate with unfortunately, a fairly watery texture, but the flavor is still extremely delicious.

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Photo of proc
4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours out to a dark red to almost ruby color in the glass with a slight head. The aroma is that of a light liquer. The taste is excellent, with traces of plums, bourbon and molasses coming to the forefront. A winter warmer for sure and a well-crafted beer that makes you appreciate the brewer's craft.

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 445 ratings.