Dismiss Notice
Subscribe to BeerAdvocate magazine and get 12 issues / year of fresh beer content delivered to your door each month.

Already subscribe? to manage your subscription.

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

Not Rated.
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)

Educational use only; do not reuse.
BA SCORE
94
outstanding

445 Reviews
THE BROS
-
no score

(Send Samples)
Reviews: 445
Hads: 988
rAvg: 4.25
pDev: 6.12%
Wants: 596
Gots: 217 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
Beer: Reviews & Ratings
Sort by:  Recent | High | Low | Top Raters
Reviews: 445 | Hads: 988
Photo of schlimenhaumer
4.3/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12oz. bottle into a Southampton snifter at low altitude.

A: Pours a semi-transparent dark copper/ruby color with almost no head, which is unsurprising given the ABV. Leaves a little bit of lacing on the glass because it's so viscous.

S: A strong sweet malty smell. Marshmallows, caramel malts, raisins, prunes. The alcohol doesn't come through very much in terms of smell.

T: This one is sweet and malty all the way through, while still managing to remain well-balanced. Sugar, toffee, marshmallows, caramel malts are all at play here. No alcohol burn on the finish.

M: Full-bodied, sticky and wet without much carbonation. Fits the flavors quite nicely.

D: This would be ideal as a dessert beer. It's sweet, but not overpoweringly so. The alcohol is concealed very well, so this one could be dangerous. Definitely worth trying if you have the chance. (870 characters)

Photo of perrymarcus
4.17/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle served in a snifter.

pours a murky, deep amber / mahogany tone while yielding a short-lived 1/4" beige head - to be expected given the big ABV here.

nose is fairly complex and enticing, offering a lot of dark fruit, caramel / toffee, molasses, and some vanilla. alcohol presence also evident.

all of the aforementioned pull through in the flavor. big dark fruit and caramel / toffee presence mingles with secondary notes of molasses, vanilla, and a touch of anise. chewy, full bodied mouthfeel with slightly below average carbonation.

overall there's a lot to like here; very tasty brew. the barrel aged version, however, is in another league. (659 characters)

Photo of grittybrews
4.09/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

From South Sound tasting notes:

Poured a murky reddish-brown with a trace of dirty head. Really nice aroma of toffee, vanilla, molasses, and dark fruit.

Moderate carbonation and a full, sticky mouthfeel. Very sweet with caramel, molasses, oaky bourbon, and some muted dark fruit and vanilla. Some distinct alcohol burn on the tail end.

Nice flavors but too sweet for me to handle. (383 characters)

Photo of Beertracker
4.51/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Kuhnhenn's Fourth Dementia (Olde Ale 2008)[11.8%] pours up with an excessive amount of carbonation that foams upon release of the crown creating a volumous craggy beigish-cream colored head that envelopes the glass above the murky chestnut brown body. The head retention is rather pour, but expected given the alcohol%. The aroma is extremely complex with layer upon layers of meloidins & maltiness with secondary notes of apple butter, caramel flan, maple syrup, treacle pudding & vanilla custard that changes with each whiff. Alcohol is noted, but certainly well integrated. Hint of oxidation is beginning to creep in. The flavor is extremely generous with a sweet, but not overly cloying caramel richness supported by a wonderfully inviting toastiness e.g. buttered pecan/pralines with some chocolate notes and hoards of maple goodness e.g. maple cream cookies that gives way to just a bit of earthen bitterness offering a bittersweet candy finish that warms the soul with its surreptitious alcoholic strength. This full bodied old ale is overly effervescent per style, quite chewy & lacks some finesse, but don't let that stop you from partaking in this wonderful elixir. KbC's 4D is truly American in origin, but carries a unique old world charm. Enjoy the Madness!

CHEERS! Beertracker (1,291 characters)

Photo of barleywinefiend
4.27/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Poured a caramel color with a nice tan cap and some bubbles

S: Holy caramel, bourbon, figs, raisins and booze

T:Immediate caramel sweetness with some bourbon heat and a massive amount of residual sugar. Figs, riasins and tobacco are very prevelant in this beer, all the way through. Caramel, toffee and big sugar seem to be the key notes

M: Warm, sweet and boozey on the end. Medium to big body, well carbonated

O: Very nice but as sweet as this beer is a sure headache and sugar rush would follow on a single beer. Wow. (528 characters)

Photo of TheManiacalOne
3.88/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2009 release, acquired from raznug courtesy of the Under 100-3 BIF, so a big “Thank You” goes out to him. Poured from a 12oz bottle into a US tumbler pint glass.

A: The beer is a deep reddish brown color, with a thin light brown head that fades quickly and leaves a thin lace on the glass.

S: The aroma contains brown sugar, bourbon, caramelized malts and some hops.

T: The taste starts out sweet with flavors of bourbon, caramel and brown sugar. Then a significant alcohol sting comes in followed by a hearty malt character. The hops presence is mild but brings a decent balance. The after-taste is slightly sweet.

M: Smooth and crisp, medium body, medium carbonation, finish is slightly sticky.

D: Tasty, goes down easily, not too filling, ABV listed on the bottle is 12.50% so a very strong kick, very good representation of style, this is a solid stronger beer but there are others in the style that I would choose first. (934 characters)

Photo of metter98
4.23/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: The beer is dark red and poured with virtually no head.
S: Hints of cherries are present in the aroma.
T: The beer tastes strong with notes of cherry flavors and malty sweetness along with hints of alcohol.
M: It feels medium-bodied and very smooth on the palate with a light amount of carbonation.
O: This beer goes down very easily considering its strength. (362 characters)

Photo of J0E
4.55/5  rDev +7.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A 2010 bottle poured into an oversized snifter. The appearance is ok. When viewed head on, it is dark almost opaque, but it's actually a copper orange when held to the light. No head when poured, only a little bit of fizz. The smell is sweet, burnt caramel, a little bit of raisiny fruit, but all very balanced. The taste is much like the nose. It's very sweet with lots of the caramel mixed with that hint of fruit (but not all raisin - there is some tangy citrus to it as well). A little bit of burnt biscuit or something. Very complex and different things pop out with each sip. It's nice and thick. Almost syrupy and coats the whole palate. I don't get much of the alcohol heat, which is a change from the last time I had this Non-barrel version. I think the little bit of extra time it's had in the bottle was very good to the beer. (837 characters)

Photo of MarcatGSB
4.27/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

BIG props to friend BA abanton. Adam and I met at FoBab, and he sent me a box a week later with some goodies in it. Thanks man! 2010 Vintage, poured from bottle into Founder's Snifter (keep it in MI)

Appearance: Vigorous pour reveals a rather chestnut brown color with a beautiful 2 finger head, dissipating slowly, leaving some nice sticky looking lacing running down the glass.

Smell: The smell is awesome. The glass is brimming with aromas of vanilla, dark ripe fruit, caramel, and toffee. Big molasses and maple syrup with some bright cherry notes lingering in the background.

Taste: Wow, complex stuff. Really has alot going on. It's very sweet, with more of the molasses and caramel coming through...It's almost drying how sweet it is. Very malt foward, with that sweet malt providing alot of body, with some mild vanilla and smoke coming through.

Mouth: This is a sticky sweet ale. I'm not going to fault the beer for that, but it truly his a mouthful. True to style, minimal carbonation, sweet character.

Drink and overall: Definitely very drinkable for being such a high ABV. The alcohol is hidden well. It's extremely well crafted, and fairly well rounded. Probably the best Old Ale I have had in a very long time. (1,233 characters)

Photo of raznug
4/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is a 2008 vintage
Appearance: It pours a cloudy reddish color topped with 1” of off white tight head that holds firm at a ¼”. There are chunks floating in the brew I think I forgot about the yeast settlings in the bottom of the bottle.
Smell: It smells of sweet malt and some alcohol. In the background you can smell toffee and caramel.
Taste: It tastes very sweet to start, there are bourbon notes, and toffee, caramel and alcohol are the major taste flavors in this brew. The sweetness is almost too much as the beer warms.
Mouthfeel: This is a beer that has a thickness to it that doesn’t dominate the palate but allows the flavor lingers nicely. (661 characters)

Photo of bbb099
4.42/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to scottfrie for sharing this one!

A - Clear mahogany amber with a pretty orange hue and wispy tan head.

S - Strong but pleasant wine and bourbon aroma. Fruity esters present as well.

T - Complex taste of dark fruits (plums, figs) and a dark caramel malt. A little bit of bourbon in there as well. Quite sweet.

M - Medium to full bodied, relatively thick with low carbonation.

O - Well balanced complex beer that I would love to have every dinner. (459 characters)

Photo of mjyoung
4.05/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to scottfrie for this one.

A: The dark brown of a fine wood (mahogany) with absolutely no head and some definite booze stickiness. Nothing really stands out, but it does look good.

S: Sweet toffee and caramel. Almost overwhelmingly so. The usual hints of vanilla and dark fruit, but all I can think of is sugar. A little one note for me, but still good.

T: Yup, definitely sweet. Able to pin down the dark fruit that comes through in the finish, it's raisin. There's a lot of sugar, chocolate and something else slightly not as tasty. The bottle says marshmallows, which I'm not quite getting.

M: Hmm. Nice and syrupy. The mouthfeel is great with a nice medium body and a smooth finish. The booze is so nonexistent that I forgot to even mention it in the taste. Skillfully done.

O: Overall a pretty good beer. This isn't always my favorite style but Kuhnhenn did a good job. (886 characters)

Photo of Stocean1
3.95/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured a one finger head, upon an amber body, a beige head tops it off with good retention - slowly down to a nice collar of foam, fine bubbles.

Smell is caramel, dark fruit and booze.

Taste follows the nose with apricot and alcohol. Very earhty with a hint of sweet tarts.

Mouth is dry, sweet, warming alcohol however towards the end the booze began to dominate, tart, and not particularly smooth.

O - a decent brew with complexities I enjoy trying but I can not say I would seek it out. (492 characters)

Photo of aasher
4.22/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This bottle was graciously shared by sixthglass, thanks Tim!

This bottle was the 2008 vintage, 11.8%. It pours a medium bodied and somewhat murky cherried wood brown in color with red highlights and a beige lacing around the glass. It smells of sweet malts, some cherry, raisins, brown sugar, molasses, maple syrup, with some light oak. It's very sweet on the nose yet very aromatic. You can tell that it has aged well thusfar. The flavors too are on the sweet side. You get a lot of raisins, figs, dates, light oak/earthiness, with some vanilla as well. It's very complex and an interesting drink. It's kind of like sipping on a port. The sugar is holding me back from grading it higher. It drinks medium in body and is sticky on the palate. The flavors resonates for a few minutes after each sip. Overall this is a nice old ale, despite the grandiose amount of sugar. It's very, very complex and will make you think while you drink it. It's well worth your while. (966 characters)

Photo of brewtechnik
3.93/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A: Looks like muddy water when poured into my glass. Zero head.

S: Malt Bomb! Resembles Utopias, lots of ethanol mixed with caramel, raison, chocolate, and, well, malt. Oak also comes through. Almost no hop character.

T: Very slight bitterness, alcohol presence right away, and lingers. Again, malt forward with lots of sweetness but not cloying. Lots of dark fruit flavors in the background. The oak character is perfect.

M: Thinner than I would expect, alcohol lingers but is not hot. low bitterness. Very-very low carbonation.

O: If you like the Utopias "style" of beer, then you would enjoy this. Lots of malt, very low hop character and low carbonation. But, very delicious and boozy. I feel good after just one :) (723 characters)

Photo of heebes
4.1/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a rusty dark brown with only a film of tan head. Nose is heavily malty. Sweet toffee and caramel, plum, dried dark fruits, mollasses, toasted marshmellow. Taste is similiar, very complex mix of dark malts, toffee, brown sugar, heavily mollasses. Thick syrupy mouthfeel, heavily bodied. Robust malt presence makes for a sweet sipper of an olde ale. Strong alcohol presence. Overall an enjoyable beer. (405 characters)

Photo of bonkers
4.42/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I picked up this 2010 vintage bottle in Secret Halloween 2011. The pour is a muddy caramel with a slight white head. The aroma is wonderful, lots of caramel and toffee, hints of alcohol. Taste as good as it smells, mild alcohol on the finish. The body is full, sticky mouthfeel, light carbonation. A great very enjoyable beer, thanks Michael. (342 characters)

Photo of dogfishandi
4.47/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2010 Vintage

12oz bottle at fridge temp poured into a snifter split with fellow BA's. had this side by side with the 2010 BA 4D.

they both poured out with pretty much no head. poured out a slightly murky dark brown, the BA version was a little darker. pretty much no head, just a slight ring on the edges.

a very interesting aroma. a grapey kind of winey fruitiness. maybe some dates, figs. a graininess reminded me of some darker breads. also reminded me a lot of frozen apple juice from concentrate.

again lots of fruitiness, mostly the concentrate apple juice. also has a briney almost seaweed sensation, makes for a very interesting flavor. some dark fruits and just a hint of smokey meat.

smooth, a big body, but it hides the big ABV nicely. leaves a bit of stickiness on the palate.

a very interesting beer, not really like anything ive had before. i would definatly seek this out again, would love a few of these for the cellar. having the 2 side by side, i definatly enjoyed this one, the non barrel aged version, better. the BA one was just a bit too hot and kinda of muddled the awesome flavors in the regular one. (1,132 characters)

Photo of sliverX
4.3/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured a deep chestnut not much of a head even with a vigorous swirl decent slight lacing
Smell huge caramel maltyness big toffee notes.
Taste is a big caramel punch in the face with a bit of booze a bit of Apple cider on the back end
Mouthfeel a bit thin on the side of medium
Overall a pretty nice beer I enjoy the maltyness (328 characters)

Photo of jayhawk73
4.5/5  rDev +5.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Chaney- Thanks Brandon!

Review from notes:

Pours a dark amber color w/ a nice sliver of a cocoa head. No carbonation or lacing. Smell is bourbon, caramel, toffee, some alcohol. Taste is the same profile as the nose w/ a toasted marshmallow flavor as well. Awesome. Great feel- smooth, goes down easy. Overall, this is an incredible brew, and I'm glad I got to try it. (386 characters)

Photo of Bitterbill
4.92/5  rDev +15.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

From my notes of December 17, 2006.

Poured from 12oz bottle(brewed on 2-16-05 best before 2011!) a super dark brown with a good sized head of foam that slowly shrinks leaving a mostly solid layer that hugs the side of my glass in a most pleasing way.

The smell is....wow! Huge notes of caramel malt, molasses, and fig that just don't quit. The smell alone is woth the price of admission but, I got this one pro gratis compliments of Mentor!!

The taste follows the nose to a T. Awesome caramel and roasted malt that are just tickling my palate to the Nth degree. The molasses and fig that I noted in the nose are there as well as is dark fruit(plum) adding to the complexity of this Old Ale and making it, despite it's high abv, a most drinkable nectar. And yeah, there's a bit of warming as it goes down but the alcohol, for me, is not detectable in the flavour at all. From the first sip right through to the finish, there's no doubt that I'm drinking a world class brew. Yeah, it's *that* damn good!!

Bottom line: Fantastic! If I were given a choice of sipping on this or a Westy 12(different beer styles aside), I'd have a darned hard time making up my mind on which to choose!
Once again, kudos to Mentor for allowing me to try this tasty son of a gun!! (1,265 characters)

Photo of Treebs
4.62/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Split a 12 oz. bottle at Hopcat with fellow BA danielnovak3. Poured into a tulip. 2011 bottle.

A: Pours a very dark ruby with small light khaki head the subsides quickly.

S: Nice dark fruits, caramel, and a little leather. There is faint cherry sweetness in the background.

T: The flavors going on in the taste are incredible. Leather, caramel and tobacco blend together with figs and plums to really create some amazing flavor. Very little alcohol is present and there is no heat. There is a slight sweetness on the finish that really blends it all together.

M: Creamy and coatable. Between heavy and medium on the feel with a nice subtle carbonation. A dark fruit taste is left on the palate.

O: This is what an old ale should taste like. So well balanced and the all the flavors that came through on the taste were awesome. Now I must find the BB4D. (858 characters)

Photo of s1ckboy
3.95/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Nice off white head. Deep red body

S - Amazing. Very sweet. Caramel, burnt sugar, molasses dark fruits, a touch of alcohol.

T - Some caramel and dark fruits. Alcohol is very well hidden. A good amount of bitterness coming through at the end. Could use some age. A bit of a disappointment after smelling it.

M - On the thinner side of medium. A bit sticky and syrupy.

O - A decent old ale, definitly not my favorite. I very much prefer the barrel aged version. (467 characters)

Photo of Arbitrator
2.2/5  rDev -48.2%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Chilled bottle into a glass. 2009 vintage. Courtesy of semibaked, if I recall correctly. Thanks!

A: Pours a murky chestnut body capped with a short-lived beige head. No lace.

S: Aroma is a treacly, underattenuated grape Jolly Rancher variety. Notes of licorice, rum-soaked raisins. All around sweet.

T: As the nose suggested, this beer is sugar drizzled with raisins, mah nizzle. Way too sweet, sugary, and altogether unfinished-feeling. Simply underattenuated. Wow.

M: Full-bodied, but simplistic; it's sugary, sweet, and simply amateurish in execution. Lots of grape, sugar, and little else. At least it's not boozy.

O: I had a high impression of the barrel-aged Fourth Dementia when it was first released. Unfortunately, even that version has fallen off, but it is far better than the sugar bomb its base beer turned out to be. We didn't finish either version, but we poured out more of this. (903 characters)

Photo of homebrew311
3.42/5  rDev -19.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: appearance is a purpleish red, decent amount of clarity, no head, no lacing

S: bold waves of molasses, licorice, maple, and oak. This is a definite malt bomb. Notes of fruit come through, mainly raisins.

T: just like the nose suggested, this one is all about that malts. This one is skewed way towards the sweet side and features bits of earthiness and pepper, not seeming very balanced and the ABV is very present of the finish.

MF: thick body, a bit syrupy, light carbonation

O: well this beer definitely doesn't lack flavor, perhaps my palate just isn't prepared for the overload of sweet malts that this one delivered... I found it to be too sweet. (659 characters)

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
94 out of 100 based on 445 ratings.