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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Reviews: 447
Hads: 1,006
Avg: 4.26
pDev: 9.15%
Wants: 603
Gots: 217 | FT: 25
Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003

Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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Reviews: 447 | Hads: 1,006
Photo of Crosling
4.15/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12’er. Burning forest in color. Rich, somwhat vinous, malt accented nose with hints of chocolate, plums, figs and molasses. Soft carbonation. Rich malty flavor, reminiscent of chocolate, fruits (raisins, plums) and a touch of toffee. Light on the palate with unfortunately, a fairly watery texture, but the flavor is still extremely delicious.

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Photo of proc
4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours out to a dark red to almost ruby color in the glass with a slight head. The aroma is that of a light liquer. The taste is excellent, with traces of plums, bourbon and molasses coming to the forefront. A winter warmer for sure and a well-crafted beer that makes you appreciate the brewer's craft.

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Photo of BigDaddyWil
3.8/5  rDev -10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Purchased a growler for $15 at the Kuhnhenn brewery.
The Fourth Dimentia release party was on Jan 21 2006.
The beer menu states that Fourth Dimentia has an abv of 13.5%
Poured from a growler into a New Belgium tulip glass.

I sampled this at the brewery and just had to take this home. Its too bad they are not bottling this brew. Pours a very dark amber color. Just a faint amount of light can pass through. Bright ruby highlights along the outside of my glass. Absolutely no lacing, but has an oily, syrupy consistency about it. Heavy aroma of molasses, malt, candy, and dark fruits. Nice taste, very sweet, a combination of molasses, candy and maybe apple cider. It leaves with a slight alcohol burn. Slick, smooth mouthfeel and finishes slighly dry. Drinkability is tough due to the high alcohol content. Don't get me wrong, this brew has an awesome taste. But, after one glass I already have a buzz going, and I have a growler of this stuff. Looks like this will be an early night. A must try if you can get to Michigan!!!

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Photo of MaltyGoodness
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz. bottle brewed on 8/1/04 and best before 2010. Labels lists this as 11% ABV. Bottle provided by Frozensoul327.

Pours a dark chestnut brown with a white head that fades to a ring around the inside of the glass. Sparse lacing.

Smells sweet and malty with an ample amount of hops. I get some light nutty and chocloatey tones mixed in as well. A hint of booze ecapes now and then just to remind you that it's 11% ABV.

Sweet and malty upfront with some nice caramel and chocolate undertones. A nice bitter wave of hops rushes in for a monent and then actually finishes rather sweet. A MONSTER flavor, not for the weak of palate.

Big fat belly on this girl. I wouldn't expect less, with such a big flavor.

Rather drinkable for such a big beer. I probably consumed the bottle a little too quickly....

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Photo of Higravity
3.8/5  rDev -10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Well this is a definate snifter beer, the tighter the lip on the glass the better. Garnet coloring with a mild head that is gone fast. Smells of alcohol right up front but there are a lot of others things in there as well including maple, dark fruit, ripe melon, and apples like green apples. The taste is burning from the start with the alcohol but like a good scotch or brandy it only scours the tastes buds to open them up for all the taste coming afterwards. Heady malt complexity with a slight hint of char and raisins, there are some bitter hops but no flavor and again a weird green apple finish that I would call an of flavoring. I think this could have used a little more oxidation overall. The mouthfeel suffers due to the high alcohol feel the taste was fine but the burning in my throat made it a little hard. A good sipper while the weather is whatever outside.

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Photo of MuddyFeet
3.28/5  rDev -23%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

This beer is so lifeless it reminds me of death and graveyards. Absolutely flat but it does not really take away from the appearance or mouthfeel. Brown with a bit of red in that there glass. No head, no bubbles. Could not get much from the nose even though I dug my nose way down in the glass.

Nice and sweet with lots of raisins going on. Malts are very mellow and earthy. Alcohol comes out at the end a bit--but not overly. Honestly, this beer is a bit one dimensional and kind of drab. Kind of like when you realize after the paint has dried that you picked out the wrong color for the walls. Fine and drinkable but just kind of boring and uninteresting.

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Photo of OldFrothingSlosh
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. bottle courtesy of Frozensoul327. Brewed on 08-01-04. Best before 2010.

Color is a chunky-murky deep brown with amber notes. Despite the aggressive pour, there's little, if any, head to speak of. Just a tiny ring of tan froth 'round the edges. Aromas step up with a wonderfully-balanced blend of dark fruit, candied sugar, some extract of vanilla, and some oaken notes. Flavor is so very mellow. Delicate pattern of the dark druits again, drizzled with melted caramel sugar. Some vinous notes seep in towards the middle and are cleansed away by the bitterness mingled with brown sugar sweetness mixed with Heath bar chunks. Where is the alcohol in this bad boy? Only glimpses can be detected. Extremely smooth on the palate. The low levels of carbonation really "thicken" this up. One to definitely savor on this cold winter's night.

Extreme thanks to Frozensoul327 for this true gem.

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Photo of Fugazme
4.35/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

bottled: 8-01-04

Pours a great, deep brown. Slight head... swirls and goes, but decent. A beer with legs and no lacing.

Aroma is great. Maple, alcohol, roasted malts, sugary, caramel, caramel and caramel. Dried fruit.

Taste is very, very good. Biscuity and caramel-like. Slight alcohol burn. Fruity.

Mouthfeel is somewhat oily and full. Sweet and delicous.

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Photo of connecticutpoet
4.85/5  rDev +13.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Bottled 8-1-04, best before 2010. 11% ABV. Seems like the one most people have been reviewing recently.

This one poured into my chalice a clear, deep ruby red, with absolutely no head. An extremely thin line of foam was evident where the ale met the glass.

Aroma was incredibly complex. Sweet dark fruits, oaken notes, and a rich malt core. There was a little tang of alcohol. Excellent.

Taste... WOW! I am not a huge fan of old ales, but this one was incredible! I loved Adam, but this one blew it away. Dark fruits, rich lightly roasted malts, and definite sweetness. Alcohol was present but restrained, in perfect proportion.

Mouthfeel was thick, rich, and syrupy. It coated the tongue with flavor and held it there.

Drinkability was wonderful. I would gladly have two or three of these at a sitting, and pace myself accordingly. This one just got better as it warmed in the glass. I could see myself enjoying this one again and again, were it available in my area.

Hearty thanks to Erik in Michigan for the trade!

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Photo of dirtylou
4.4/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12oz single, got this bottle from CRJMellor in a trade, label says best before 2010 so I think I am good

Ah, my first kuhnhenn beer ever. How exciting!

appearance: quite murky, a distinct mahogany/amber color, light bubbling head and lacing.

smell: aromas of deep dark fruit with some alcohol soakage, caramel malty core, woody.

taste: quite a nice old ale...alcohol is definately present and the hop bitterness is dead on. lots of earthy/woody notes thoughout...dark fruit and berries are key components

mouthfeel: extraordinarily smooth up until the bite of hop bitterness in the aftertaste, outstanding

drinkability: very drinkable

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Photo of Rastacouere
3.86/5  rDev -9.4%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Superb creamy egg shell head. Dark copper pour. Very sweet nose contains heavy brown sugar notes. French toast maple and bready richness form a sweetened candi sugar base among which the vegetal, barky and leafy hints are envelopped. Strong earthy vinous character, cognac-like smooth alcohol burn. Heavy toasted malts bring forth smoky tones that are later replaced by almost roasted grains. Complex fruitiness, very sweet, perhaps too much so, but it’s just admirable how many elements come and go before it’s over. Full bodied, smooth soft carbonation. Could be a bit drier, couldn’t be a bit more decadent.

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Photo of rousee
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Oh boy, this is noticeably high on the abv. Many thanks to Erik in Michigan for the sample. My wife likes this one too. Very dark muddy fudgy top with only a slight slice at the bottom of the glass of amber ale.

What a malt bomb this is. It is so sweet and delicious that it would take all the hop heads and convert them instantly to malt. A little like Aventinus but not as banana-esque. It is very close to a barleywine and although I don't care too much for barleywines--this thing is fantastic. Tasting notes are caramel syrup, and a nice barley-grainish finish. There are some hops but they don't warrant mention here. You wanna know what the best maltbomb is--this might be it !!!

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Photo of sopor
3.98/5  rDev -6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Dark cloudy copper brown pours thick and oily, very relunctant to form a head. Tiny, almost indistinguishable bubbles form an almost unnoticed cascade through the entire glass eventually but still giving only a small tan film. Dark sweet molasses smell is strong.

Taste is right along the lines of the smell. Dark fruits like plumbs, raisins mixed with caramel and molasses to beyond cloying. Alcohol is evident but not obvious while hops are subdued resinous notes. Hints of tangy, bready and buttery notes tease the tongue but never develop past a mere whisper. Moderate and slick body with very little carbonation.

Tasty and complex, but a bit overpowering.

Thanks to Frozensoul327 for this gem!

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Photo of fingolfin72
4.02/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Color- Deep, ruddy mahogany. No head to speak of.

Nose- Brown sugar, alcohol, sweet vermouth

Palate- Smooth, rich and malty. There are overtones of vermouth and toffee, and the mouthfeel is creamy. The finish is long and smooth, and I detect a mild, walnutty bitter tang in there. Quite easy to drink for a beer of this type.

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Photo of lou91
4.25/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottled 8-1-04. The bottle also read 11% ABV. This beer poured thick like deep red maple syrup. It left the thinnest whisper of a head that never went away. It smelled rich, sweet and malty with a hint of smoke/peat. This is old ale at its best. A small taste just lingers with a trifecta of hops, alcohol and rich maltiness in perfect balance. It is so good that it took me almost an hour and half to sip. You must let this one warm up to almost room temperature to get the full range and depth of flavors. Thanks to BuckeyeNation for this excellent brew.

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Photo of Viggo
4.43/5  rDev +4%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very pretty ruby red/brown colour, slight haze, small tan head forms, recedes to a ring around the glass, lots of lace. Smell is insane malt, lots of caramel, molasses, some chocolate, and floral hops. Taste is very caramel and sweet malt, with some molasses. Some chocolate and floral hops come through, as well as a little alcohol. Very nice bitter finish. Full bodied, low carbonation, warming alcohol burn down the esophagus and really coats the mouth. Very very good, thanks for the pickup DrJay.

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Photo of mntlover
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Brewed 08-01-04 Best before 2010 so all is good. Bottle says 11%

Pours a deep burgandy color hints of brown with a one finger tan head that falls quickly.

Aroma is nice sweet caramel dipped grapes, raisins and apples very pleasant so smooth inviting hides the alcohol so well.

Taste is loads of caramel big full but not cloying at all, fruity grapes, raisins and plums what seems like pear but I think its the hops announcing themselves because it mellows out to a herbal earthy like bitterness. This one is nice so smooth caramel sweetness but no real sugary mess that sometimes happpens. As it warms to rooom temp some light alcohol bite and smokiness is noticed but mingles to perfection. So much going on in this one wish I had more to sample.

Mouthfeel is big feels full as it sits in the mouth, velvety soft very nice.

Drinkability well where can I get more, this could kill so nice easy to enjoy ah the caramel and lingering bitterness. Want to thank cretemixer for this treat.

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Photo of amicar
4.65/5  rDev +9.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Pours into a nice tulip glass at the brewery, chestnut colored and thick- looking. The smell is complex with a musky caramel and roast malt smell. Taste is heavenly- evolves over a few minutes from a smooth, somewhat sweet caramel and roast malt to a musky and oh- so slightly vaguely herbal flavor with malt predominance. Really beautiful in the mouth with just the right amount of heat. It was easy to slow down and enjoy this beer over an extended period of time, given the number of flavors going on here, and even easier to order another. Not necessarily easy to get off the stool and walk home without stumbling, though at 9.5%. So worth it, though.

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Photo of macpapi
4.59/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Wow!! This is an unbelieveable beer. It begins by pouring a sludgy, brownish color. Has a small, and quickly dissipating tannish head. Overall the initial appearance is not as impressive as could be. However, other attributes more than make up for this shortcoming. Fourth Demetia has a deep and malty aroma. Hints of caramel and chocolate are followed by a slight hoppy undertone. It smells sweet and full. Very nice in the nose. The taste can be summed up by two words: sweetness galore. I can really distinguish the malt and caramel in this beer. A bit of an alcohol taste is present and hangs around afterward for a bit. But that doesn't bother me at all. Hops are also noticealbe. All and all this is a well balanced and nice taste. In the mouth this beer is full and biting. It is a very strong, heavy and formidable beer on the tongue. Overalll, K.F.D. is a sipper if there ever was one. It is boldly strong and extremely flavorful. This is a notable and deliciously substantial ale. A greet beer!!!

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Photo of lackenhauser
4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to crjmellor for the sample. Pours a slightly hazed chestnut brown color. No real carbonation though a pronounced fizz when opened. Somewhat subdued aroma-oakey and earthy. Raisens and figs-a mix of both fruit and floral. Trace of vanilla. Big malt flavor with a syrupy sweetness to it. Treacle and caramel-minor trace of alcohol in the finish. Slight nutty flavor behind it all. Overall quite complex. Gargantuan body though a tad overly sweet and cloying. A hell of a big beer and quite enjoyable. Like the label says it could use another 4 months of aging but its enjoyable now. That reminds me of the old sign "free beer tomorrow"-another 4 months from when? Get some for now and later.

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Photo of stancpa
5/5  rDev +17.4%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This is what I call an after dinner beer. The taste is divine, taste like the beer version of a fine cognac, this is due to the high alcohol content of the beer. This is one of my favorite beers.

I am somewhat a world traveler and love to sample beer in various countries
so I have sampled a fairly large number of beers. I do admit the stout from Belgium was also divine.

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Photo of blackthistle
4.72/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. brown bottle; brewed on 08-01-04, best before 2010; $2.79 for single bottle

Pours an almost opaque deep ruby color with orange/amber tints around the edges and a thick creamy head that dissipates slowly and leaves beautiful yet sparse lace on the sides of the glass. The aroma is mostly caramel sweet with some sherry, raisin, and molasses notes detected along with just a hint of spiciness from the hops. The flavor here is all malt. It is a sweet caramel malt flavor with just enough noble hops bitterness to balance this big boy out. There are some hints of raisin, sherry, molasses and brown sugar along with some alcohol warming. This beer is big in the mouthfeel department, smooth, creamy and chewy all the way to the end. The flavors will linger on your tongue long after the beer is gone... and that is a good thing! Now this is my kind of beer!

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Photo of francisweizen
4.87/5  rDev +14.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

I was really excited to try this brew at Kuhnhenns since I never got to try any of the bottled batches, and now I hear that there recent bottles of this are not doing to well as it is. Anyways, this one came in a lovely Balloon glass, the colour was dark bloody red/black, but not quite opaque. Head was light khaki and lasted for quite a while providing the glass with some lovely lacing patterns as well. Aromas are impressive, old ale notes of raisins, figs, other dark fruits and residual sugars, molasses, brown sugar, etc. hops are leafy and good in this mix, malts are dark roasty and hella complex. Middle is doughy and fruit with a rum raisin sort of kick to it that really does it for me. Finish is leafy hops and dark patent malts with some caramel hints, and a somewhat wet and drying contrasting finish that makes this exceptionally drinkable. Just a totally kick ass old ale from a brewery that is really drawing lines. Awesome stuff.

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Photo of warriorsoul
4.27/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Big thanks to Gaisgeil for this one of many fine brews.
Pours a dark brown w/ very little light passing thru...less than a 1/4 finger of tan head forms and very little thin lace.
Aroma is rum raisins...add in some vanilla and some malt sweetness. Nothing over the top, but very inviting.
Taste is a burst of raisins...reminding me of an English style barleywine at first, but a hint of smoked flavor makes its way through w/ warming. Alcohol is detected, but well masked for the most part.
Maybe a touch too sweet, but that only affects the drinkablilty, and not the overall enjoyment of the pint.
Mouthfeel is quite thick and is just a touch bitter in its finish.
I have had only a handful from this style and I can see why so many seek out this particular brew...I have one other (thanks to Eyedrinkale) and will age it for a couple years. At that time, this one will be up there w/ the likes of Thomas Hardy.

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Photo of tavernjef
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Solid cloud of dark rust brown tinted burnt orange. Thin tan foam smoothly caps the top. Clean and thin stringy lace sticks.

Pretty big aroma of dark fruit plumy/raisin brandyish heat and induced vanilla. Smooth and inviting dark molasses with a soaked alcoholic bread and light nutty cookie dough touches.

Taste is dark and well heated with fun displays of dark molasses sweetened smoothness, darker still, light sticky toffee. Quite a silky candy spiced taster the whole way through. Fine tuned notes of oaky orange vanilla, peat dirty dates, leathery prunes, and earthy nuts create supurb additions along the way. Trails off with a well displayed and handled alcoholic heat keeping with a dark brandy or sherry-like smooth burn as it grabs hold late. Soft and slick hard chocolate candy swipes in very late after the burn.

Beautiful silken body. Fairly full, bold, rich, candy brandy heat and light doughyness. Even a bit smokey in the alcoholic heat with a claro cigar-like spice. It drys off with extremely professional care.

One very nice Old Ale. Candyish, dark, silky, smooth, and the alcoholic heat is perfect akin to any nice brandy, port, or sherry out there; yet still keeps its beery quality and character.

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 447 ratings.