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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) - Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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845 Ratings
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Ratings: 845
Reviews: 437
rAvg: 4.28
pDev: 9.11%
Wants: 549
Gots: 193 | FT: 26
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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  13.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%

(Beer added by: marburg on 05-06-2003)
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THECPJ

Delaware

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

01-21-2013 18:30:48 | More by THECPJ
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Derek

British Columbia (Canada)

4.26/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

2012 Vintage.

I've had earlier (lighter) versions of this and never really cared for it. At the first Michigan Brewers Guild Winter Beer Fest I just thought it was harsh, same with other bottles.

This is better. It doesn't need to be 13.5%, but it is better.

A: Initial pour seems like it is almost still, very little carbonation. Deep, deep mahogany, a few tan bubbles surface and it shows a little leg.

S: Alcohol is apparent in the aroma, somewhat sherry-like. Plenty of raisins, figs, dates and hints of field berry.

T: Although it's stronger than early versions, it doesn't seem so. I thought they were plagued by tertiary/fusel alcohol, but not this one. Tons of dates, raisins, figs and dark caramel, hints of roasted nut and cocoa and some meaty melanoidins. Good bitterness, alcohol is certainly warming.

M: Mild carbonation really works, but I still find the residual sweetness a bit much.

O: I still think this is over-rated, but it is a good brew.

Serving type: bottle

04-18-2013 03:33:45 | More by Derek
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dirtylou

Washington

4.43/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12oz single, got this bottle from CRJMellor in a trade, label says best before 2010 so I think I am good

Ah, my first kuhnhenn beer ever. How exciting!

appearance: quite murky, a distinct mahogany/amber color, light bubbling head and lacing.

smell: aromas of deep dark fruit with some alcohol soakage, caramel malty core, woody.

taste: quite a nice old ale...alcohol is definately present and the hop bitterness is dead on. lots of earthy/woody notes thoughout...dark fruit and berries are key components

mouthfeel: extraordinarily smooth up until the bite of hop bitterness in the aftertaste, outstanding

drinkability: very drinkable

Serving type: bottle

11-12-2005 02:13:58 | More by dirtylou
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HopHead84

California

4.38/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

5/18/2010

2008 vintage in a snifter. Bottle received in a trade with FlanderNed, thanks Steve! The beer pours turbid deep crimson brown with a voluminous light tan head, excellent retention, and scattered lacing.

The aroma is rich and malty, with notes of dried dates and figs, sherry oxidation, treacle, mellow alcohol, caramel, and toffee. Amazing aroma.

The flavor is luscious toffee. It's incredibly rich and expressive, with notes of dried dates, dried figs, treacle, toffee, caramel, light sherry oxidation, and alcohol. The finish is decadent and boozy.

The beer is full bodied with a thick and chewy mouthfeel. This is a rich, complex, and potent malt sipper. Highly recommended, though I'd suggest you share the bottle.

Serving type: bottle

05-19-2010 05:30:08 | More by HopHead84
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dmorgan310

Panama

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

06-28-2013 16:43:08 | More by dmorgan310
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TurdFurgison

Ohio

4.65/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had on tap at the Kuhnhenn brewpub. I'd been wanting to try this beer for some time, and it lived up to its hype.

It was presented in a tulip-style chalice, showcasing the dark aubrun red beer with a thick, wet, and sticky tan head. Very nice looking, and the aroma wasn't as strong or barley-winey as I feared. It was malty and a little muted. Still very nice. The taste was almost doppelbocky, with rich and sweet malt flavors battling for dominance over the alcohol (13.5% based on the menu description). The malt flavors came through really nicely, and there was just a hint of alcohol burn. The mouthfeel was just as good, thick and chewy, it felt like drinking a meal. Very very nice old ale.

Serving type: on-tap

09-06-2007 22:48:59 | More by TurdFurgison
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wordemupg

Alberta (Canada)

3.68/5  rDev -14%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

355ml bottle poured into tulip 6/6/12 thanks liamt07 for the bottle

A dark reddish brown with only a very short lived thin film for head and it leaves zero lace

S lots of burnt brown sugar and rum soaked raisins, molasses and some teriyaki beef jerky smells better then it sounds, heavy on the soft caramels and a little booze but nothing compared to the 13.5% listed on the bottle

T sweeter then the smell somehow with just a little soy, tastes slightly oxidized and not as nice as the nose, some cherry liquor I didn't smell and a slightly nutty aspect

M not quite flat but very little carbonation, quite sticky on the lips but not much heat considering the strength, a little syrupy

O booze is well concealed and it smells great but not blowing me away in other areas, decent beer but I'm going too be well below the average with this one

I'm not sure what to make of this one, well concealed booze and it smells great but not quite what I was hoping for elsewhere. Even if this is a off bottle its still easy enough too drink

Serving type: bottle

06-07-2012 06:34:24 | More by wordemupg
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drummermattie02

Texas

4/5  rDev -6.5%

01-19-2013 15:23:57 | More by drummermattie02
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Zaphog

Michigan

4.25/5  rDev -0.7%

03-22-2012 03:59:06 | More by Zaphog
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BeerFMAndy

Wisconsin

4.28/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle poured into a Bruery tulip. 12.5 % ABV, 2009.

I was lucky enough to snag a bottle of this at Martha's Vineyard for $5.99 in Grand Rapids last year. Thanks to sweemzander for showing me around town!

A - The dark bronzed cherry mahogany color is tainted by a subtle cloudiness while the tall pour creates almost no head. A ring of tan foam still leaves lace though.

S - Sticky caramel malt sweetness battles dusty old basement throughout the aroma. Warm ethanol alcohol is fairly strong in the background. Faint hoppiness provides minuscule balance. A swirl dissolves toffee into candied plum while hints of raisin bread come into play. Complex and subtle.

T - A unique departure from the nose, Fourth Dementia is still strong with abundantly sweet caramel malt, candied plum, and raisin, topped by a mildly spicy, bitter touch of hops on the finish. Dry mocha reminds of the old basement once again. A little more pronounced and bold than the nose.

M - Warm alcohol doesn't affect the taste negatively and that goes for the mouthfeel also. Warm and soft, there is no burning, in fact, it's barely there altogether. Sweet all over with some mild dryness to the finish, the smooth, medium body is very nice.

D - Kuhnhenn does a fantastic job with alcohol involvement (or lack of) and it shows in this brew. No unpleasantness at all, this goes down very well, sip after sip. I wouldn't call it very drinkable, but as high ABV as this is, it's very nice.

Serving type: bottle

02-21-2011 13:08:51 | More by BeerFMAndy
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liamt07

Ontario (Canada)

4.35/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Peter of Flying Monkeys, 355ml bottle into some tulips. 2010 winter solstice release, thanks a ton Peter!

Pours a dark brown, with a tan head - transient, and falls to a ring. Big legs on this one. Nose has dried dark fruits, sweet caramel notes, and a hint of metal. Taste reflects this without the metal note (which diminished with warmth), more dried dark fruits - berries and currants, booze, caramel and something I kept percieving as oak, although I'm confident this isn't oak aged. Mouthfeel was medium heavy, with a moderate sweetness that's restrained by some drier qualities throughout. Great drinkability, and doesn't even come close to feeling like the alcohol content advertised. Need to get my lips on the bourbon barreled version.

Serving type: bottle

09-07-2011 16:10:19 | More by liamt07
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tobelerone

Connecticut

4/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a rich chestnut brown; nearly clear, with very little head or lacing. Complex aroma is vinous, sweet, toasted marshmallows as mentioned on the label; toffee and caramel, raisins, booze, woody notes. Flavor equally complex but less sweet; there’s the trace of marshmallow and toffee from the nose but less prominent in the taste; oaky, slightly corky, vinous. Port and brandy flavors, some heat and warming as expected from the high ABV but not too much burn. Pleasant fusel alcohol presence. Low carbonation but not still; a little sticky, somewhat creamy. Medium body, could be a bit fuller. Finishes surprisingly dry. Tasty old ale; would love to see what the barrel aging brings to this very intriguing beer.

Serving type: bottle

03-26-2012 13:48:03 | More by tobelerone
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jrallen34

Illinois

3.85/5  rDev -10%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

My growler filled by Alex on his roadtrip, thank you very much.

Boring light brown pour with light tan head of carbonation...Aroma is really nice and complex, starts off sweet similar to the oude bruin with some light sour cherries, dark brown sugar, and a little alcohol...The taste is a let down, not as sweet, lots of grain alcohol and brown sugar, not any of the sweetness or cherries.

Better than the bottle version I've had but still only a decent beer.

Serving type: growler

09-05-2010 21:41:18 | More by jrallen34
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HuskyinPDX

Washington

4.11/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Bottle opened on 5.26.13

2010 Vintage

A - Pours a dark caramel brown with a small dark tan head that fades away quickly.

S - Caramel, toffee, dark fruit, booze.

T - Caramel, dry fruit, booze. A touch of some oxidization.

D - Heavier body with low carbonation.

O - Boozey dark ale with lots of caramel and dark fruit flavors.

Serving type: bottle

06-10-2013 04:46:42 | More by HuskyinPDX
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Bitterbill

Wyoming

4.93/5  rDev +15.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

From my notes of December 17, 2006.

Poured from 12oz bottle(brewed on 2-16-05 best before 2011!) a super dark brown with a good sized head of foam that slowly shrinks leaving a mostly solid layer that hugs the side of my glass in a most pleasing way.

The smell is....wow! Huge notes of caramel malt, molasses, and fig that just don't quit. The smell alone is woth the price of admission but, I got this one pro gratis compliments of Mentor!!

The taste follows the nose to a T. Awesome caramel and roasted malt that are just tickling my palate to the Nth degree. The molasses and fig that I noted in the nose are there as well as is dark fruit(plum) adding to the complexity of this Old Ale and making it, despite it's high abv, a most drinkable nectar. And yeah, there's a bit of warming as it goes down but the alcohol, for me, is not detectable in the flavour at all. From the first sip right through to the finish, there's no doubt that I'm drinking a world class brew. Yeah, it's *that* damn good!!

Bottom line: Fantastic! If I were given a choice of sipping on this or a Westy 12(different beer styles aside), I'd have a darned hard time making up my mind on which to choose!
Once again, kudos to Mentor for allowing me to try this tasty son of a gun!!

Serving type: bottle

10-06-2011 22:21:12 | More by Bitterbill
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avalon07

South Carolina

4.7/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: Poured from a bottle to a pint glass. Had a murky brown color and a thick consistency. There was a very thin, foamy head that quickly dissipated. Not much lacing to speak of.

S: A big, warm aroma of malt, caramel, molasses, alcohol, and some spices.

T: Tasted like it smelled: Lots of caramel and molasses, some malt, and assorted spices. Alcohol is noticeable, but not overwhelmingly. This is a very complex, extremely flavorful beer.

M: A good amount of carbonation with a smooth, silky finish. Full-bodied.

O: This is an excellent example of an Old Ale. A well made beer all around.

Serving type: bottle

07-30-2011 12:09:38 | More by avalon07
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Alieniloquium

Florida

3.91/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter. 2010 vintage.

Appearance - Deep brown with a surprising head. Wispy surface with a thin collar. Leggy on the swirl.

Smell - Mmm. A bit of oxidation, some wet sock aroma, delicious. Deep earthy caramel aroma.

Taste - Nutty malt flavor, earthy hops. Slightly less impressive than the smell. No real sweetness. Bitter finish. No booze.

Mouthfeel - No alcohol or sweetness. It's a sipper, but it's not really difficult to drink. Medium carbonation.

Overall - Nowhere near as good as the barrel aged version, but still an impressive beer.

Serving type: bottle

04-03-2013 02:42:49 | More by Alieniloquium
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AgentZero

Illinois

2.95/5  rDev -31.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

A - Pretty dark brown, looking black, ridiculously huge head that faded after a little while and left some bizzare bubble sheets in random spikes and thorny shapes on the side. Unusual.

S - Sugarrific, other than I don't like that sort of thing. Very brown sugarish, big malt profile. A lot of dark fruit smell, and a huge dose of licorice.

T - Brown sugar bomb, not really good. I get way too much licorice on this also. Dark fruit, just too sweet. Any complexity in this is hard to find as it is buried in a huge malty, sugary overload.

M - Medium bodied, high dose of carbonation, sticky.

D - Can't do it, the sweetness is too coating and overpowering. The sugar and licorice tastes dominate too much and overpower the taste buds to the point of being painful.

Serving type: bottle

05-10-2010 06:02:29 | More by AgentZero
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TheSevenDuffs

Ontario (Canada)

4.23/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

2011 Vintage poured in to Founders tulip.

A - Murky dark brown with a very small amount of light brown head.

S - A huge caramel malt sweetness up front accompanied by toffee, molasses and brown sugar. The ABV is very well hidden. Reminiscent of a barley wine.

T - A big sweetness up front with dark caramel, toffee, brown sugar and molasses flavours. The middle offers a bouquet of dark fruit, raising, dates and sticky candy-like flavours. The finish brings back the sweet toffee and caramel with just the right amount of warming alcohol present.

M - Full bodies, silky and smooth. Light carbonation. An exceptional mouth feel.

Serving type: bottle

05-08-2012 01:43:04 | More by TheSevenDuffs
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tavernjef

Minnesota

4.53/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Solid cloud of dark rust brown tinted burnt orange. Thin tan foam smoothly caps the top. Clean and thin stringy lace sticks.

Pretty big aroma of dark fruit plumy/raisin brandyish heat and induced vanilla. Smooth and inviting dark molasses with a soaked alcoholic bread and light nutty cookie dough touches.

Taste is dark and well heated with fun displays of dark molasses sweetened smoothness, darker still, light sticky toffee. Quite a silky candy spiced taster the whole way through. Fine tuned notes of oaky orange vanilla, peat dirty dates, leathery prunes, and earthy nuts create supurb additions along the way. Trails off with a well displayed and handled alcoholic heat keeping with a dark brandy or sherry-like smooth burn as it grabs hold late. Soft and slick hard chocolate candy swipes in very late after the burn.

Beautiful silken body. Fairly full, bold, rich, candy brandy heat and light doughyness. Even a bit smokey in the alcoholic heat with a claro cigar-like spice. It drys off with extremely professional care.

One very nice Old Ale. Candyish, dark, silky, smooth, and the alcoholic heat is perfect akin to any nice brandy, port, or sherry out there; yet still keeps its beery quality and character.

Serving type: bottle

07-05-2005 03:22:22 | More by tavernjef
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DefenCorps

Oregon

4.4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Received in trade with goryshkewych. 2007 vintage, split with largadeer.

A: Deep crimson with ruby highlights. Thin tan head

S: Leather and sheesah (hookah tobacco) are what strike me off the bat. There's a hint of smokiness, plums and alcohol. There's also something spicy here. Intriguing and interesting

T: Intense. Medium body to start with with leather and tobacco up front. Fruitiness (plums and raisins) come through followed by a dry finish

M:With the low carbonation and the dry finish, this one is great

D: We ended our drinking session with this. A perfect nightcap.

**Edit: 3rd October 2009.

I drank my second bottle from the 2007 vintage last night and holy crap was it awesome. Fabulous brown sugar, vanilla and spicy alcohol on the nose, with fruity and leather character. Excellently balanced and integrated with a touch of smoke.

The flavors are ridiculously smooth and this is one very easy drinking full-bodied beer, deep and complex with brown sugar, leather, wet wood, figs, prunes and spicy alcohol., Caramel, vanilla, toffee and tobacco round out the flavors and the finish with a prominent tobacco character is AWESOME.
Nose: +0.5, Mouthfeel: +0.5

**Edit 11 March 2012**
2008 Vintage received from Viggo. Thanks, Eric! 11.8% ABV

This vintage seems fruitier and sweeter, both on the nose and the palate, with brown sugar, prunes, raisins and maybe some dates? Less leather, less tobacco, this does remind me of the BB 4D. Lighter in body, making this extremely drinkable. Still, excellent. 4/4.5/4/4.5/4

Serving type: bottle

05-14-2008 03:21:00 | More by DefenCorps
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RoyalT

Ohio

4.53/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance – There was a surprising head to this high-octane ale. The body was a dirty, filthy, pond scum brown with some light carbonation.

Smell – This was the ale’s strong point, IMHO. I just loved that raunchy, booze-soaked, woody malt smell that never did give up. The sweetness is very subdued, keeping the focus on the malts. Nicely done in a conservative sort of way.

Taste – This ale melts in your mouth. It reminds me a bit of Old Woody with all the wood character in the flavor profile. It’s not “oaky” but more like a malty wood, if that makes any sense. Either way, it’s killer. It reminds me a bit of their FUV BOP special : )

There are a few more sweets to be had at the taste, but not much more. The sugars that are there are more like raw cane than anything else. You might find some maple in here if you look hard enough. All in all this is an amazing flavor profile that begs for further examination as the ale warms.

Mouthfeel – This is on the big side of medium-bodied and almost flat with some old school bitterness on the back of the tongue and an unapologetic alcohol sting throughout.

Drinkability – The raunchy wood and stinging booze may be too much for some, but fans of the Old Ale style will unquestionably enjoy sampling this Kuhnhenn effort.

Comments – I will be forever indebted to garthwaite for sending this Old Ale out to Seattle. Cheers and beers!

Serving type: bottle

06-23-2005 03:01:13 | More by RoyalT
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chippo33

Vermont

4.5/5  rDev +5.1%

05-14-2013 00:56:12 | More by chippo33
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claspada

New Jersey

4.7/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Adding 2009 edition, sampled 2/9/12.
Aromas are the same minus the musty, oxidized qualities.
The tastes are identical and equally as enjoyable as I remember. Dark fruits and light cocoa dominate.
Mouthfeel is crazy coating and amazing.
Overall, I love this beer, considering moving to Michigan to have direct access every time this is released.

Adding 2007 Vintage tasted 1 month after 2005.
The pour had more more evident carbonation/head retention.

Aromas begin with light chocolate. with the below sweet and fruity malts as well. Less of a musty, earthy, leathery presence. Less sweet toffee and more dark chocolate.

The tastes are fairly close to the previous with lots of dark chocolate and dark fruits. Baker's cocoa becomes more apparent as it warms. Zero alcohol tastes or aromas here. This further verifies my beliefs that beer needs to be consumed within 5 years.

Mouthfeel is super full with medium carbonation; much much more than the 05 I had a couple weeks back. Glorious full finish, luscious almost.

Overall I think this beer is at it's peak after 4 years, the 6 year version showed signs of breaking down but this is freakin' epic. I am adjusting my original ranking to reflect this 2007 perfection. Although this is much more chocolatey and cocoa forward than I expect in an Old Ale, it is still probably the best example I have ever had. I just love that dark, bitter, fruit balance.

Sampling 2005 vintages of Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D).
Aromas start with deep dark caramelized brown sugar maltiness and sweet toffee as well. Cocoa and dark dark cherries become quite apparent as this opens up. Lesser notes of leather and earthy/musk in the background with some inevitable alcohol as well.
The tastes follow the nose to a tee. Loads of dark caramel maltiness coupled with equal amounts of toffee sweetness and dark brandy soaked cherry flavors. Lesser notes of cocoa and earthy/leather on the back end (much less compared to the initial flavors mentioned above). Alcohol bite is non-existent which makes sense after 5+ years. Molasses and dark fruits (figs and dates) linger on the palate now that this is room temperature.
The mouthfeel is medium-full bodied with low carbonation, which I usually hate but it works here. Chewy and finishes mildly sticky.
Overall, this is a great old ale; a bit heavy for the style in the dark malt/cocoa flavor profile but absolutely still delicious. Brandy soaked toffee covered cherries is a single sentence descriptor. This has aged superbly and shows no signs to deterioration even after 5+ years.

Serving type: bottle

06-16-2011 23:26:46 | More by claspada
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gford217

Georgia

4.22/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle courtesy of Knight84 and Hoppymeal poured into a snifter.

A: Pours a dark brown mahogany with a small dense head that diminishes quickly leaving almost no bubbles and no lacing.

S: Big caramel malt smell dominates the nose with raisins and molasses mixed in. There is also a definite alcohol sting in there as well.

T: Taste follows the smell with molasses and raisins up front giving way to the huge caramel malt taste. The finish is slightly smoky with the alcohol making its presence felt as well.

M: Mouthfeel is smooth and almost syrupy with little carbonation in the mix. The high sugar content makes it a bit sticky.

D: This is an excellent beer though the syrupy sweet mouthfeel takes away from the drinkability slightly. Still, very nice.

Serving type: bottle

06-01-2008 03:33:06 | More by gford217
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 845 ratings.