Folklore - The Tale Of Van Winkle - Stillwater Artisanal Ales
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District of Columbia
2.53/5 rDev -34.5%
I've held off on reviewing this until I had a few samples for reasons that will become obvious. Tried a bottle at Of Love and Regret, at my residence and on draft at Maxs.
Pours a still, opaque dark black with minimal tan head. Looks like a stout. Smells like bourbon and... bourbon. Tastes like a glass of bourbon on the rocks that has been sitting around for two hours. Literally, no trace of the base beer in any sample I've had of this, just straight up, watery bourbon. Held off reviewing after the first two bottle samples, but this on draft today was actually more disappointing than the bottles were. The JD version of Folklore (that was sold in 750s) was infinitely more interesting and enjoyable than this was. Get a grip everyone. Aging in PvW barrels does not automatically make something amazing.
10-21-2012 20:44:04 | More by yourefragile
2.75/5 rDev -28.8%
Bottle poured into a CBS snifter
Pours a translucent black with a 1/2 finger khaki head
Smells strongly of bourbon - a bit of dark fruit and roastiness behind the booze, but the base is hard to detect
Taste as well is over the top bourbon for me. No base beer here - just a carbonated watery glass of bourbon.
Light to medium bodied and smooth, this is nicely carbonated.
This beer is all about the barrel - almost seems like it wasn't anywhere near empty when the beer was put it the barrel. This is one of my least favorite barrel aged beers I've had - mostly because the beer is almost nonexistent. Can't complain about the bourbon though!
11-05-2012 00:13:32 | More by TheBeerologist
2.83/5 rDev -26.7%
Was glad to finally find a bottle of this as I generally like Stillwater beers, and I love PvW.
Pours a deep dark brown bordering on black. Initial dark coffee colored head disappears quickly. Seems to have low carbonation.
Smell is bourbon forward. Alcohol, dark roast, lot of oak woodiness, slight coconut, but none of it is "shining" through, it's just sort of there.
Taste is mediocre. Base beer is not strong enough for the bourbon. It really is just a watered down bourbon beer. The pappy character that I've found stands out in other beers aged in those barrels is not present here at all. More like an Old Grand Dad bourbon flavor than Pappy if that makes sense.
Mouthfeel is where I think this beer gets dragged down a lot. This beer is bordering on flat after it sits in the glass for awhile. Very thin and watery. I get that this is not a stout, but whatever the base beer is simply not up to the task of carrying the bourbon.
Overall one of my bigger disappointments this year. I really wanted to like this beer, and perhaps my expectations were too high. I factor $$ into reviews as well, and when a 12.7 oz bottle cost $15 it needs to deliver better than avg in my mind. Unfortunately this beer does not and I can't recommend it. Pick up other Stillwater to try as I don't think this beer is a good representation of what you typically get.
11-29-2012 20:07:01 | More by smokeypeat
2.95/5 rDev -23.6%
Bottle split with Amyliz4 and yourefragile at Of Love & Regret last night. Served in stemware. Pours nearly ink-jet black with a few bubbles of a head that quickly recede. The nose carries loads of whiskey. It’s a nice whiskey, but there’s nothing else really below it. I wouldn’t be able to say whether the base was a black saison, imperial stout, or whatever else had I not already known. The same goes for the flavor. Body is a bit hot, but not beyond the 8.4%. Overall, this really just tastes like watered down whiskey with a bit of carbonation. I think this could have turned out much better if it were blended back quite a bit.
01-10-2013 22:07:34 | More by Thorpe429
3.15/5 rDev -18.4%
On tap at Max's the other day. One of only two sixtels, according to Casey at Max's.
The beer pours a blackish brown color with almost no head or lacing to speak of. The beer appears to be practically still, something I was not expecting. Don't get a lot on the nose initially (the beer was served VERY cold), but as it warmed, I picked up an attractive aroma of dark chocolate, light vanilla, light bourbon and a hint of underlying spice. As the beer warmed some more, I picked up a slightly nutty sherry aroma as well, that was attractive (there seemed to be something of an oxidized component to this beer). Alas, this was to be as good as things would get with this beer. Upon tasting this beer, my immediate reaction was WTF!!! The beer tasted flat, and not in a good way (it had all the hallmarks of a beer that had been left out sitting too long), with a thin mouthfeel and short finish. Given the abv., I was surprised by how light and simple the flavor profile was. While I got some chocolate, vanilla and bourbon, the flavors tended to fade very quickly, and it just seemed as if something was missing from this beer. On the bright side, the alcohol seemed pretty well integrated into the flavor profile.... no one would call this beer hot or heavy. Also, aside from something of an oxidized, old aged ale flavor to this beer as it warmed, I picked up a light sour component as well. This beer is just odd.
Like a lot of folks at Max's this past Sunday, this beer was the primary reason I came down at 10:00 in the morning. I knew it would be expensive (that goes with the territory with Stillwater beers, especially the barrel aged ones), but I was hoping the beer would be so special, it would be worth it ($10 for a 6 ounce pour at Max's). So to say I was a bit disappointed in this beer would be an understatement. Very, very glad I didn't purchase any bottles of this stuff (they were available at Max's for $20 for an 11.2 ounce bottle).
10-22-2012 22:11:38 | More by John_M
3.35/5 rDev -13.2%
Big thanks to BA wishuwerebeer for sharing this with me. 375ml bottle into a tulip. A rough pour yields a black brew with skimpy head formation. A few bubbles are swirled out and that produces a few spots of lace on the glass. Around the edges some dark brown clarity is noted.
The nose of this beer is all about the barrel treatment. It smells of coconut and oak before turning to sulfur and cheese. A hint of coffee and roasty grain essence is mild mingled with a bourbon fortified scent of alcohol. If you removed the barrel aging, whats left in the glass is dull and forgettable without any distinct stylistic character.
The taste is somewhat bitter like the roasted char quality of the grain. A mild hint towards something coffee-like coupled with oak, bourbon, coconut and burnt caramel to vanilla. The aftertaste has a somewhat nutty flavor about it that is grainy before transitioning to just a dull flavoring of booze.
This is a medium bodied brew with a very low level of carbonation. A bit boozy and overall just lacking. It is one of the most basic, plain and lackluster brews I have had in a long time. Even with the special pvw treatment, this brew was boring. If I paid $15 for this small format bottle, I would be livid. This brew is a shining example of simply aging a beer in a pappy barrel does not make magic. Im surprised by the favorable reviews before me...
10-22-2012 14:50:03 | More by stakem
3.53/5 rDev -8.5%
A huge tan head forms on top of dark brown liquid that does not allow any light to pass. The head takes its time to recede into a splotchy veil. Some light lacing is left on the glass.
The nose has quite a bit going on. I can smell the funk of the base beer, toasted oak, dark chocolate and alcohol.
The flavor is slightly more complex than the nose. I get the same funk of the base beer, followed by alcohol, then finishes with dark chocolate, toasted wood and grain, and vanilla.
The feel is thin with some carbonation. The brew does coat the mouth with toasted grain flavor.
Overall this is a decent experiment. The barrel seems to overpower a bit. For the flavors that are found in this brew, the feel needs to be thicker. The toasted wood and grain flavors really rescue this beer. My biggest complaint is the price. Of the series, I highly recommend Stateside.
11-29-2012 20:38:37 | More by TotallyHosed
3.59/5 rDev -7%
Bottle shared by Chris (spycow). Served in a Cigar City snifter.
A - Tan foam settles to a wisp, partial cap, solid collar, and specks of lace. Very dark brown body.
S - Massive bourbon and oak presence, with some vanilla as well. There's a hint of char and anise in the background. Once you get back the aggressive barrel presence, there's a solid beer in here, but the oak is harsh and heavy-handed.
T - The taste is significantly better, with more vanilla than oak, light touches of chocolate and dark fruit, and only some moderate bourbon flavor. Improves as it warms, with a nice fudge flavor coming out. Drinks more like a stout than a Belgian, as I don't get any overt yeast flavors.
M - Thin-bodied, with moderate carbonation. Smooth texture, but a somewhat hot and boozy finish. Undersized to begin with or aged too long; not sure which.
D - The nose is rough and the body is thin, but the taste is pretty enjoyable. Hard to justify at the premium price, but not completely lacking in positive qualities. Dial back the bourbon and oak about 30% and this might be quite excellent.
01-09-2013 20:38:41 | More by MasterSki
3.63/5 rDev -6%
Poured from the bottle into a snifter.
Appearance: Pours an almost opaque dark brown color with some red at the edges where the light hits the pour. There is a half finger of tan head that fades to a small layer on top of the pour.
Smell: There is a lot of bourbon here. Some dark fruit and a smokey note. I'm getting some pepper from the bourbon and some heat from the alcohol.
Taste: The bourbon definitely dominates this beer. Not a ton going on underneath. Peppery bourbon with some smoke and peat. There is some heat from the alcohol in the finish. There is also some dark fruit in the background.
Mouthfeel: The body is on the thin side with smooth carbonation and a dry finish.
Overall: This reminded me of watered down bourbon. The bourbon was the star, and it is really good. I enjoyed this beer, but I wouldn't want to buy another given the price.
10-08-2012 19:28:34 | More by oline73
3.65/5 rDev -5.4%
12.7 oz bottle poured into a Microbrasserie Le Naufrageur chalice.
This beer pours a deep black color, a bit thinner in texture than I'd expect, intensely opaque with no head, just a few loose bubbles that vanish instantly, no lacing. The aroma is very barrel heavy, bourbon, molasses, toffee, oak, dark stone fruits with some rich dark grain. I was skeptical of this beer after the pour which was somewhat disappointing but the aroma is really wonderful. The flavors are nice but the body is weak, as expected from the pour, and it really detracts from the experience. The barrel is much more muted in on the tongue, stone fruits are more dominant, cherry and plum, chocolate, molasses and some oak and sweet alcohol. The body is just so disappointingly thin, it still does coat the mouth well, which is one saving grace and does help the flavors come across better.
Verdict: This one was a miss for me, the weak body really hurt this beer. The flavors aren't potent enough on their own to come across without the support of the lively carbonation. The aroma is spectacular but the rest of this beer literally falls flat. There is a lot of potential here and I'd be very interested to try the other variants.
01-04-2013 01:57:01 | More by kevanb
Folklore - The Tale Of Van Winkle from Stillwater Artisanal Ales
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