Vanderghinste Oud Bruin - Brouwerij Bockor N.V.

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Ratings: 707
Reviews: 217
rAvg: 4.04
pDev: 11.14%
Wants: 48
Gots: 75 | FT: 0
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Belgium

Style | ABV
Flanders Oud Bruin |  5.50% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 12-08-2000

Label also displays .VanderGhinste Oud Bruin'.
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Ratings: 707 | Reviews: 217
Photo of UCLABrewN84
3.92/5  rDev -3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a slightly murky dark crimson brown with a 1 inch foamy tan head that settles to an oily film on top of the beer. Foamy streaks of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of tart and sour cherries, slight vinegar, and slight funk. There is a slight grape aroma that comes out as the beer warms. Taste is of the cherries up front with some slight vinegar flavors, but the taste is only mildly tart and funky. There is a grape-like aftertaste on this one. This beer has a lower level of carbonation with a slightly crisp mouthfeel. Overall, this is a good beer with a nice fruity presence in the aroma and flavor.

Photo of GRG1313
4.35/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

This is not a perfect beer - it has flaws...and I really like it!

Purchased same date as review. Note: Great label.

Pours Extremely dark copper black color with a thick and firm tan head.

Nose is acidic plums and apricots.

Mouthfeel is acidic rich and a bit creamy with light carbonation and good fresh acid. Really well balanced.

Flavor profile will cause the controversy. Flavors are sweet plummy grape with a nice citric acid character. Flavors appear initially to be simple and sweet and almost soda like. However, there are some complexities and layers and the flavors and general character of this beer is so bright and appealing that you can't help drinking more.

I have to admit that there is some simplicity to this one - however, a bit of age may refine the sweetness. Simple acidic purple grape finish. At the end of the day, and while this beer is really not all that perfect and is a bit "grape simple,"....I really like it and just want to drink it!

Final word? It tastes good.

Photo of metter98
3.95/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: The beer is slightly hazy light brown in color (with some amber highlights) and has a light amount of visible carbonation. It poured with a thin off white head that rapidly faded away, leaving some lacing on the surface and a thin ring of bubbles around the edge of the glass.
S: There are light to moderate aromas of sour fruits in the nose.
T: Like the smell, the taste is rather tart and has sour flavors of cherries.
M: It feels light-bodied on the palate and has a moderate amount of carbonation.
O: This beer is quite easy to drink for the style because the sourness isn’t that strong.

Photo of StonedTrippin
3.99/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

a very cool version of the style here, not as sour as many of them. its a blend of a flemish red ale and a young lambic, giving this beer a rounded flavor and tartness, without the caustic acidity of other oud bruin types. more brown than red on the pour, hazy and dense, with a deep mahogany glow and less than an inch of cream colored foam. the nose is fruity as they come, tart cherries and maybe even raisins give an orchard sort of sweetness to this, and chocolate and dark amber malts unite in a rich lathery body with a bit of sweetness as well as a lactic tartness from the lambic. the wheat malt there doesnt add much, but the mild acidity is a nice contrast to the red fruit finish. complex and drinkable, more so than a lot of these. well carbonated, but i notice the lushness of the feel before the bubbles. its expanding on the palate and creamy too, down easy. a very impressive offering, especially at around 5 bucks a bottle.

Photo of Knapp85
3.85/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

This poured out as a deep brownish red color with a fluffy tan colored head on top. The head settles and leaves a a light amount of scattered lacing on the glass. The smell of the beer is tart and wooden smelling, there is also some cherry I'm picking up also. The taste is actually much better than I expected. It's a much more muted sour that some of the Flanders Reds out there. The mouthfeel was lightly carbonated and pretty smooth. Overall it was a pretty tasty brew even though I'm not a big fan of the style.

Photo of BuckeyeNation
4.07/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Clear chokecherry with orange-bronze edges. The two finger head of bubbly tan foam looks odd since it's at midglass instead of topglass (because of the 8 oz. bottle). It's a wonderful looking lid that sticks resolutely to the glass and falls in the center, giving a 'king's crown' appearance.

The nose is funky, sour and fruity, reminding me of fermenting cherries, cranberries and freshly tilled earth. I like it more and more the more I sniff. It's satisfying in the way that well-worn old books are satisfying. Words like venerable, time-tested and Old World come to mind.

The flavor isn't as impressive as the nose. Although the same basic components are in place, they're diminished in scope. It's still funky and modestly sour with a not quite ripe cherry and berry fruitiness. Unfortunately, the mouthfeel is too light to carry those flavors across the palate with the panache they deserve.

In accordance with the style, there's very little sweetness. The beer is politely sour and acidic, culminating in an impressive display of aridity. The finish is surgically clean with hints of surgical-grade steel. As noted, the body/mouthfeel is too light for the flavor profile. A more substantial mouth presence would kick this sucker into a higher gear.

Bellegems Bruin is my second Flanders oud bruin and I like it just fine. I see some room for improvement though. Given the basic elements of the style, I'm certain there's a version out there that will blow me away, I just need to find it. This wasn't it, but I still could have used a bigger bottle.

Photo of mikesgroove
4.42/5  rDev +9.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

lovely dark garnet. Nice and opaque but has a decently thin look to it. Nice small head of light off white then comes up and over the top, dropping loads of lovely lacing down the sides.

Aroma is dark fruits, ripe plums, figs, pears, anything dark is a winner here. Really just nicely done. Sweet with raisins and touches of spice coming into the fold, beyond well put together. Each sip is like thanksgiving dinner with the flavors. A tremendous range here with huge swings from sugary dark fruits to light spice and hints of tart cherries

Photo of emerge077
3.8/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bellegems label:

I was told this is a blend of 70% brown ale, 30% 18-month old lambic.

Pours placidly into a small ten ounce goblet, a quarter inch of light tan foam on top, a sparse swath of lacing sticks inside the glass. Rusty reddish tone, completely clear, no sediment in the bottle, leading me to believe it's filtered.

Softly sweet grape aroma, dry leather, some faint fruity acidity. Straightforward, pleasant but not especially complex.

Flavor is similarly fruity with sweet tart grapes leading the way, vaguely earthy sweet malts underneath. A slight medicinal Ricola or tangy cherry candy, brown sugar, grape soda. Medium bodied, slightly creamy with soft carbonation. Some distant resemblance to Jacobins Rouge but not nearly as sour or acidic, more like the "training wheels" version.

This was in the states a few years ago, then disappeared. Glad to see it's finally back, it's a good transition to the wilder side. Note: Imported by SBS Imports, Seattle,WA.

2013 VanderGhinste label:
Dark copper brown, ruby glint when held to the light. Aroma is minerally like well water, some light grape or cherry skins. Tangy tart grapes in the taste, some light cherry tartness. A little maltiness underneath, not much sweetness at all. Seems like a return to a more traditional recipe possibly. Renamed after the Bockor brewery founder.

Photo of TMoney2591
3.77/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Served in a snifter at Bigby's Pour House.

Gotta be the only place in the area I can get this stuff on tap (unless Firkin wants to throw me for a loop some day). It pours a deep ruby-sienna topped by a half-finger of off-cream foam. The nose comprises spicy red wine grapes (I'm thinking a particularly peppery Tempranillo here), rich caramel, a hint of graham cracker, light plum, mild black cherry, and a feathers' touch of red wine vinegar. The taste brings in more of the same, but whatever tartness was present before has been sanded down to a strong occasional stab adrift in a sea of sweet malts, mild peppery spices, and oxidized sherry. The blend, though, seems to work, leading to a pleasant, easygoing drink that may have been less likely had the tartness retained its former strength. The body is a light medium, with a light moderate carbonation and a slick-ish feel. Overall, a nice bruin, something that doesn't wow or overwhelm, but something that delivers some interesting and unique flavor combinations and an enjoyable time.

Photo of nickfl
4.22/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A - Pours with a small head of off-white foam on top of a clear, amber colored body. The head settles rapidly and leaves almost no lace on the glass.

S - Dry caramel and fruity acidity with a smoky note in the background.

T - Sweet toffee and lemony tartness up front with a hint of cherry. More sweet cherry in the middle with a little bit of caramel. The sweet sour dynamic continues through the finish with lingering sweet toffee and mildly acidic black cherry.

M - Medium body, moderately high carbonation, and a slightly sweet finish.

D - Very nice and drinkable with a sweeter than average character that would make it a good introduction to sour beers. It has the classic sweet and sour profile with little funk and a nicely balanced finish.

Photo of NeroFiddled
4.8/5  rDev +18.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Teasing aromas of sweetly caramelish malt and a sour cherry-like fruitiness greet you in the nose of this beautiful oud bruin. As it crosses your lips and tongue you find it's quite smooth and lightly creamy with an exceptionally fine-bubbled natural carbonation and medium body. The flavor, however, is distracting with its beautiful juxtaposition of sour apple/mild citrus-like tartness and lightly sweet, caramelish, and toasty malt. Raisins and brown sugar appear along the way; and a thin spritz of lemon juice hits you at the finish, drying it nicely! It lingers in the mouth though, with a film of dry maltiness that makes you want to take another sip! Quite nice. And although it's not complex, the combination of the sourness and sweetness is interesting enough to keep you coming back for more! This is a superb rendition of the style that doesn't rely on added sweetness to overcome its sourness; and isn't too sour over all - just perfectly balanced!

Photo of TheManiacalOne
3.94/5  rDev -2.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On-tap 4/26/2013 at Track 84 in Warwick, RI, served in a tulip glass.

A: The beer is a deep dark reddish brown color, with a short off-white head that fades slowly and leaves a thin lace on the glass.

S: The aroma contains Belgian yeast, esters, tart fruit and light caramelized malts.

T: The taste starts with tart dark fruits. Then some light Belgian yeast breadiness comes in along with a touch of hops to create a good balance for the style. The after-taste is slightly tart.

M: Crisp and smooth, medium body, medium carbonation, finish is dry.

O: Tasty, goes down easily, not too filling, mild kick, good representation of style, this is a solid beer to drink for a while if you’re in the mood for the style.

Photo of RblWthACoz
4/5  rDev -1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Oh Flanders ales, how I just don't get enough of you. This beer is pretty straight forward and direct.I mean that in as good a way as possible. It doesn't really step out and try to be anything beyond a good beer. Straight forward. Fits to style. I like it, but it is pretty pure to the style parameters, which might be a lot for some people to deal with.

Photo of Slatetank
4.13/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I picked this bottle up at Brass Rail Deli in Campbelltown, enjoyed chilled in a teku.

The color is medium brown with light chill haze and thick three finger tan head with rocky surface. The retention is very good and bead is very fine. The smell has strong tart cherry aroma with mild sweet malt and gentle spice ester with nice fruity mix of wild yeast esters. The feel is tangy with moderately high carbonation with semi-dry feel with slight malt sweetness and medium light body with semi-dry finish.

The taste is very good with semi dry malt flavor with fruity tangy and almost sour/sweet flavor from yeast with slight malt sweetness with a light raisiny accent and mild caramel toward the middle with minimal spice in the finish and mild alcohol in the taste. This is a very good example of an Oud bruin, I would drink this again without hesitation.

Photo of Jason
4.05/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Presentation: Slender 8oz brown bottle with a freshness date stamped on the label.

Appearance: Hazy reddish brown with a thin whispy tan lace.

Smell: Mild yet even tartness, very vague aroma.

Taste: Smooth semi creamy mouth feel, a clash of carob and tartness. Lemon and grainy smith apples come to mind with a toasted bread flavour. Dark raisin fruitiness. Tartness is snappish with the grainy following, hops are nonexistent and should be that way for this style. Dark candy sugar and tart finish though gets dryer and dryer as a husky grain puckers the mouth.

Notes: A happy brew in my mouth, back and forth complexities of tartness and carob or dark malt. Pleasing to the palate and refreshed my mind.

Photo of mactrail
3.65/5  rDev -9.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

A Flanders Brown. Modestly sour in the very drinkable Belgian style. Dark coppery brown with a decent foam in the DT tulip.

Tangy and tart but with an undertone of sweetness, like Rodenbach. Woody notes and a little dark fruit. Dry, yeasty finish. Really a pleasant sipping brew and not at all like the American extreme sour style. On tap at Fathom on the pier on Shelter Island, San Diego.

Photo of WVbeergeek
4.1/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Dark cherry hued brown body with a light tan head, fine bubled lacing with speckled patterns left on my chalice. Aroma has tart cherries hints of tart sliced apples. Earthy note with lactic yogurt, hints of dark roasted malts. Flavor will satisfy your sour ale side with tart cherries, sliced green apples, hints of yogurt and dark roasted malts. Excellent version of a classic style, I've never heard of the brewer the label is a bit generic but the beer is high quality Bellegems bruin West Flanders Ale. Mouthfeel has a dry finish with fruity balance to make everybody happy, even sturdy flowing carbonation a bit effervescent and bubbly like. Overall high drinkable and enjoyable version of a hard to find style, glad I picked it up definitely worth it at around 4 bucks a bottle.

Photo of kojevergas
3.54/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

11.2 fl oz brown glass bottle (batch code 02) with standard pressure cap served into an EKU 28 snifter in me gaff in low altitude Los Angeles, California. Bottle acquired at Wally's Wine in Westwood, California yesterday. Reviewed live. Expectations are high as I really enjoyed the Jacobins Rouge from this brewery.

Served slightly warmer than refrigerator cold and allowed to warm over the course of consumption. Side-poured with standard vigor as no carbonation issues are anticipated.

A: Pours a one finger head of okay thickness, very light cream, and bad retention. Colour is a nontransparent very dark amber. No yeast particles are visible.

Sm: Sour cherries, wild yeast, and bacteria. Lively and appealing. A moderately strong aroma.

T: Sour cherry, wild yeast, and bacteria. The sourness is pretty tame, with some fruity tartness on the back end. Clean malted barley comprises the foundation. All around it's a bit simple for the style, but features notable subtlety. Enjoyable and pleasant to drink. Some layering. Well balanced and built.

Mf: Smooth and wet, suiting the flavours generally. Adequate carbonation. Moderately light on the palate. It has presence. No real cream. The thickness is adequate but not ideal. Thins towards the finish.

Dr: A drinkable Oud Bruin that will please fans of the style but won't impress. I'd definitely have it again and it's quite enjoyable, but I wouldn't recommend it to friends. There are better beers in the style for around the same price and availability.

Low B

Photo of feloniousmonk
4.35/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

On tap, from a fresh keg. Appearance, clear, dark garnet hue, deep eggplant with crimson edges, under slim, but lasting dotted beige head.

Aroma: grape, cherries, and blackberries hit the nose first, with caramel malt beneath. A rendezvous between sour and sweet, with sour taking over assuredly.

Taste: the sweet and sour tug of war begins immediately again on hitting the palate. Sour fruit commands the stage with malty brown ale flavors holding steady in the background, but plainly giving way to the dominant tart. Another sip, another wince and pucker, but the sweet factor and the comforting caramel malt backbone ease us away from any onslaught of tartitude.

Medium bodied, and long in the finish, with sweetness and sour aplenty, quenching and refreshing as the best of them.
I do love our bruins, and perhaps I prefer them to flanders reds, the jury's still out on that one. This one would make a fine every day drinking, with-food-drinking, all around enjoyable ale, with price being the only hindrance.

Glad to finally try it at last, after seeing it in my old, dusty Michael Jackson tomes of yore!

Photo of superspak
4.1/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

750 ml bottle into tulip glass, best before 1/11/2014. Pours fairly crystal clear deep ruby red color with a 2 finger fairly dense light khaki head with good retention, that reduces to a small cap that lingers. Spotty foamy lacing clings on the glass, with some light streaming carbonation. Aromas of sour cherry, raspberry, cranberry, raisin, red wine vinegar, funk, light clove, oak, herbal, caramel, and yeast earthiness. Very nice aromas with good balance and complexity of fruity yeast notes; with good strength. Taste of tart cherry, raspberry, cranberry, red wine vinegar, oak, clove, light pepper, caramel, funk, herbal, and yeast earthiness. Light fruity tartness on the finish; with lingering notes of cherry, raspberry, cranberry, red wine vinegar, clove, herbal, pepper, caramel, funk, and yeast earthiness on the finish for a good bit. Very nice balance and complexity of fruity/spicy yeast ester flavors; with a moderate malt balance and zero cloying flavors after the finish. Medium-high carbonation and medium bodied; with a smooth, crisp, and moderately prickly mouthfeel that is nice. Alcohol is very well hidden with only a slight warming noticed after the finish. Overall this is an excellent Flanders brown ale. All around nice balance and complexity of fruity/spicy yeast esters with moderate oak presence; and very smooth and crisp to drink. A very enjoyable offering.

Photo of chinchill
3.3/5  rDev -18.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

On tap at the Yard House in Atlanta.
Hazy amber body with a good head.
The flavor is a bit sweet and low in tart for style, but this did not disappoint me.
Light but not watery body with medium carbonation. Moderately complex flavor.

Photo of dbrauneis
3.95/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: Pours with a reddish-beige head that is about a finger in width and not very dense which dissipates quickly. Very nice lacing with this beer. Beer is a mahogany in color and slightly cloudy.
S: The nose of this beer is quite sweet and fruity with specific notes of cherry in it.
T: Nice mixture of sweetness, maybe berry, followed by a ripe cherry tartness that is quite pleasant.
M: This beer has a light body with a small amount of carbonation (made up of very small bubbles) that feels similar to a champagne.
O: Very good drinkability and a great representative of the style. Great flavors but not overpowering making it quite approachable.

Photo of Halcyondays
4.67/5  rDev +15.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

11.2 oz. bottle, lucky to find a lone bottle in plain sight as it were at Hi-Times, great '30s style label,

A: Pours mahogany with a moderate white head, solid lace.

S: Nice dark fruit nose, not really sour smelling, molasses, inviting.

T: Delicious acidity, not overly sweet, just a hint of sugar with a great sweet-sour finish. Lots of dark fruit, fantastic.

M: Medium-bodied, moderate but easy acidity, beautiful structure, holds off the acid, but it still pervades throughout the whole drink.

D: A gem at $4 a bottle. Simply delicious, like the session beer version of an Oud Bruin, a great everyday drink, a must have from Belgium. Too easy to drink, refereshing to a T, simply an exceptionally well made beer. A classic acidic country ale.

Photo of Stinkypuss
4.15/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

A different beer than the Bellegems, as far as I can tell, or perhaps this is an older vintage? Pours a medium amber color with a white head and really no sediment. Aroma is wine like, with sweet and sour characteristics. This brew is sweet, to sour, with toffee and tartness rounding out the flavor profile. There is a pleasant malt flavor throughout, and tartness follows. The beer finishes clean and mild, easily drank and quite enticing. Would certainly recommend this beer for personal use or to share with a special someone.

Photo of tempest
3.93/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Had a chalice at the Blue Nile. Thanks to Al for bringing in the sours. I'd say this is on the more drinkable end o the spectrum for the style. Of course, it also lacks some of the deeper complexity of the style you might find in Goudenband, but is still a step ahead of Petrus Oud Bruin. There's a sweet, lightly fruity caramel and light cocoa malt flavor with tart candy bite at the finish. I was eating a plate of spicy beef sambussas and this beer went surprisingly well with the fat and spice.

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Vanderghinste Oud Bruin from Brouwerij Bockor N.V.
90 out of 100 based on 707 ratings.