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Fermentation Without Representation - Epic Brewing Company

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BA SCORE
86
very good

473 Ratings
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Ratings: 473
Reviews: 139
rAvg: 3.81
pDev: 11.81%
Wants: 20
Gots: 53 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Epic Brewing Company visit their website
Utah, United States

Style | ABV
Pumpkin Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Our first ever collaborative beer has all the familiar flavors of the season, but done with Epic style. To a base of strong, roasty, and chocolaty porter, we add 200 pounds of real pumpkin per batch, five spices and whole Madagascar vanilla beans. As you pour this deeply ruby brown beer, you’re greeted by the aroma of fresh cut squash,followed by rich chocolate. The flavor starts sweet with marshmallow,vanilla, and some pumpkin pie, then yields to a coffee roast and darkchocolate dryness. This beer is a great introduction for curious drinkers and a special holiday treat for fans of the style.

(Beer added by: JohnGalt1 on 11-06-2011)
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Photo of Pencible
4/5  rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: This poured a clear black ruby with thick light tan head.
S: It smelled like bitter dark chocolate with roasted coffee and whole grain bread, and a bit of mulled spices.
T: It tasted like bitter dark chocolate and coffee, with pumpkin and a bit of whole grain bread and mulled spices. It had a clean and bitter aftertaste.
M: It was somewhat thick with moderate carbonation. Nice full body.
D: This was a surprisingly good pumpkin porter. The scent was generic, but the taste was unique and well balanced. It had nice body too, with well hidden alcohol, so it was easy to drink. Recommended to at least try.

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4/5  rDev +5%

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4.25/5  rDev +11.5%

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3.64/5  rDev -4.5%

Photo of AgentMunky
4.3/5  rDev +12.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 22 ounce bottle into a brandy snifter. Release #2. Brewed on 3 October 2011. Bottled on 21 October 2011.

A: Mahogany brown, with a nut-brown creamy head. Good retention. Opaque and impressive. Scattered lace.

S: Excellent pumpkin and heavy spice. Yum. In fact the nutmeg, allspice, cinnamon, and clove (mostly nailed it, before looking it up!) might be a touch much, but I'm eating it up. Smells like canned pumpkin.

T/M: What? Great! Creamy, smooth, full-bodied, and with excellent balance between roasted, buttery-bitter malts and spiced-sweet pumpkin. Vanilla beans lend themselves to the creamy sweet side, whereas cacao beans lean to the darker, bitterer flavors. Complex and rewarding, the added spice isn't as obvious on the maintaste as the aftertaste, where it lingers.

O: A phenomenally interesting and excellent tasting pumpkin porter that has aged gracefully. In this incarnation, a must-try. Would drink again.

Notes
ABV: 7.9%
Hops: Nugget, Perle, Tettnang
Malts: Muntons Maris Otter, Briess 2-Row Brewers Malt, Muntons Crystal, Weyermann Munic Malt Type I (light), Briess 2-Row Chocolate Malt, Weyerman Carafa III
Spice: Pumpkin, Vanilla Bean, Allspice, Nutmeg, Cinnamon, Ginger, Cloves
Brewers' Commentary: "Our first ever collaborative beer has all the familiar flavors of the season, but done with Epic style. To a base of strong, roasty, and chocolaty porter, we add 200 pounds of real pumpkin per batch, five spices and whole Madagascar vanilla beans. As you pour this deeply ruby brown beer, you’re greeted by the aroma of fresh cut squash,followed by rich chocolate. The flavor starts sweet with marshmallow,vanilla, and some pumpkin pie, then yields to a coffee roast and darkchocolate dryness. This beer is a great introduction for curious drinkers and a special holiday treat for fans of the style."

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4.03/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

22oz. A very dark brown pour, just a wispy ring of off white.

Aroma, Lots of toasted malt, caramel and cocoa. Some milk chocolate. Just some faint pumpkin, not so much the allspice and nutmeg, but pumpkin.

Taste, not overdone with the spice rack like some. Some of the spices up front, along with some caramel and roast malt. Earthy and dry later with a heavy cocoa finish.

Solid medium body, ample carbonation. Comes off nearly creamy, coats pretty well, alcohol hides pretty well.

Pretty good, I have yet to be disappointed by these guys.

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3.98/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured into a snifter. Release #3.

4.5 A: Black color. Nearly three fingers of frothy/creamy tan head. Retention is good with tons of lacing left behind.

4.0 S: I'm loving the nose on this. This actually smells like pumpkin, not just the associated spices. The spices are still very present though with cinnamon sticking out over nutmeg, allspice, and clove. The underlying porter adds a hefty dose of graininess, light roast, and chocolate.

4.0 T: Again, great integration between the pumpkin, spice, and porter. Real pumpkin taste, all the spices mentioned above, and a healthy dose of chocolate. Clean maltiness with chocolate, light roast, and a touch of coffee.

3.5 M: Lighter medium body. Good moderate carbonation. I wish this were creamier. This beer would be leagues better with a thicker, creamy body.

4.0 D: There aren't a lot of great pumpkin beers out there, but this one at least gets close. Solid all-around aside from maybe the mouthfeel.

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3.5/5  rDev -8.1%

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4/5  rDev +5%

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3.75/5  rDev -1.6%

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3.25/5  rDev -14.7%

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4/5  rDev +5%

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3.75/5  rDev -1.6%

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3.25/5  rDev -14.7%

Photo of Daniellobo
4.03/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pretty nice pumpkin porter, well rounded and a worthy collaboration.

Presentation: 22 oz brown capped bottle. Paper label with a simple light cream and soft orange range, with name of the brew and series/collaboration branding. I'm getting used to these labels and this is not one of the worst, still it feels a bit generic and trite design-wise (A bit of a pity to miss the opportunity to gain more visibility with the neat name of the brew). Side narrative offers a small note about the special and limited character of the brew. Notes release #2, and 7.9 % Alc. by Vol. Served in a tulip glass.

A - Black pour with deep brown edges, rich frothy head with nice retention and strong surface memory alongside pretty lacing. Quite a looker...

S - Pumpkin range, touch of spice and an emerging sense of roasted malts….

T - Nice roasted pumpkin sense, overall rich malty range with touches of chocolate and coffee under the flow of the pumpkin and spice. Small bitter spiced intensity in the finish, which is a bit unbalanced but nothing off-putting… Soft vanilla memory lingering in the aftertaste.

M - Medium body with medium/moderate carbonation. Pretty smooth flow with a nice lingering aftertaste.

O - Pretty nice brew, pleasing and well worth the try.

Notes: Glad to see a collaboration that tries something a touch unusual, and involving one of the best upcoming breweries in the region. EPIC on the other half of the equation is a nice surprise, this combo is among the best stuff I've tried from them.

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3.75/5  rDev -1.6%

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3.83/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: Pours a deep brown, almost black, with about a half finger of dark khaki colored head that fades into a solid ring along the edges of the glass. Solid lacing as it drinks.

S: The nose is pumpkin, cinnamon, nutmeg, vanilla, burnt sugar, and caramel. I get subtle malt in there as well. It smells nice. I hope this translates into taste.

T: The taste follows the nose pretty closely. It starts out with some roasted pumpkin flavor along with a touch of vanilla, and caramel. However, it's a bit thin and I'm left wanting more.

M: Medium bodied beer. It's crisp and pumpkin-y up front. It gets a bit watery and light in subtle in the middle, and it finishes sweet semi-sweet.

O: It's good, but it's not amazing. The flavors are nice, but it's too watery for my tastes and the booze is evident in a 7.6% beer. With so many pumpkin beers on the market, I'd skip over this one and try some of the others.

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3.5/5  rDev -8.1%

Photo of Chaney
4.18/5  rDev +9.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Release #1: Brewed on: October 2, 2011. Packaged on: October 17, 2011.

I poured this into my DuClaw Colossus snifter because Huzuhbendah still has my Cigar City one. Boo!!!

A: Poured a pitch black, with a soft, web-like mocha head that settled down into a small pile of sawdust. Porterific appearance!

S: I was really taken aback by the weirdness of the pumpkin spice mix in this setting and with Epic's/DC Brau's malt profile. Sort of a chocolate-squash compound with added vanilla beans, pumpkin pie spices (cloves, cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, etc), and slight bit of stomach acid.

T: I actually got more gourd and bitter chocolate than actual pumpkin spices. I would call this more of a vegetable-chocolate creation... something akin to zucchini bread rather than pumpkin pie. I got squash/pumpkin and a mere dash of the spice on the front and mid part of this, followed by a nice bitter coffee-raw cacao wallop on the finish.

M: This was remarkable well-tempered in terms of its use of spicy and sweet elements, and definitely had a "homemade" feel to it. Thick, but far from syrupy. Chocolately, but far from candy-like... and the carbonation was slight, and played second fiddle to everything else, just like I like it.

O: I think a lot of the negative reviews have been as a result of unfulfilled expectations. If you're looking for a decadent dessert beer, look elsewhere. This is not "T.R.E.A.T," nor does it claim to be. This is "S.Q.U.A.S.H.O.L.A.T.E!"

Bravo Epic and DC Brau... you should be very proud of this one.

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4/5  rDev +5%

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3.75/5  rDev -1.6%

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4.25/5  rDev +11.5%

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4/5  rDev +5%

A-Black in the glass with a one finger off white head and nice carbonation.

S-Chocolate, roasted malt, pumpkin, some cinnamon a tad bit of coffee.

T-More porter than pumpkin. Chocolate and roasted mat. Earthy spices and pumpkin flavor.

M-Lighter, tad watery but nice carbonation.

O-A good pumpkin beer, wish it leaned more pumpkin than porter.

Fermentation Without Representation from Epic Brewing Company
86 out of 100 based on 473 ratings.