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Fermentation Without Representation - Epic Brewing Company

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Fermentation Without RepresentationFermentation Without Representation

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BA SCORE
86
very good

460 Ratings
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Ratings: 460
Reviews: 135
rAvg: 3.81
pDev: 11.81%
Wants: 20
Gots: 51 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Epic Brewing Company visit their website
Utah, United States

Style | ABV
Pumpkin Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Our first ever collaborative beer has all the familiar flavors of the season, but done with Epic style. To a base of strong, roasty, and chocolaty porter, we add 200 pounds of real pumpkin per batch, five spices and whole Madagascar vanilla beans. As you pour this deeply ruby brown beer, you’re greeted by the aroma of fresh cut squash,followed by rich chocolate. The flavor starts sweet with marshmallow,vanilla, and some pumpkin pie, then yields to a coffee roast and darkchocolate dryness. This beer is a great introduction for curious drinkers and a special holiday treat for fans of the style.

(Beer added by: JohnGalt1 on 11-06-2011)
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4/5  rDev +5%

ste5venla, Jan 31, 2013
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4.5/5  rDev +18.1%

jvillefan, Jan 29, 2013
Photo of kojevergas
3.23/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

I gained confidence in Epic after trying Big Bad Baptist, which really impressed me. So I picked this one up for $8.99 at a local shop. 1 pint 6 fl oz brown glass bottle with standard pressure cap served into a New Belgium stem-goblet in me gaff in low altitude Los Angeles, California. Reviewed live. Expectations are high given the style, hype, and brewery.

Exponential series. DC Brau collaboration. Release #8. 7.7% ABV according to my label.

Served straight from the fridge and allowed to warm over the course of consumption. Side-poured with standard vigor as no carbonation issues are anticipated.

A: Pours a two finger gorgeous frothy khaki colour head of very good cream and thickness, and good (~3 minute) retention for the high ABV. Body colour is a solid nontransparent opaque black. No yeast particles are visible. No bubble show. Par for the style, but with a nice appealing head. So far so good. There's nothing unique or special about it.

Sm: Pumpkin gourd and some spice: nutmeg, cinnamon, maybe rosemary. Dark malts, cream, a hint of coffee. Timid underlying caramelization. Maybe a fleeting tinge of vanilla. A well executed aroma for a pumpkin porter. Evocative and appealing. Moderate in strength. I'm excited to try it. Little hopping here. Good aromatics.

T: Pumpkin notes are delightful; it's not just the meaty gourd but also the fruit aspect (yes, pumpkin is a fruit). Light spicing; mainly nutmeg but also some rosemary. Dark malts fill out the foundation with little caramelization. Some light milky cream lends the body character. It's simply executed, but effectively so. There's not a great deal of subtlety to it, but it hits the right notes for the style. No yeast character comes through, nor does any alcohol. I don't get any roasted barley, which is a damn shame. Coffee is also missing. There's maybe some chocolate malt here, but no true chocolate. Well layered and definitely balanced, but it does leave something to be desired. This isn't unique or special.

Mf: Smooth and wet. Some creamy quality. Good carbonation, if a touch too high. Good palate presence. Too thin; it flirts with weakness. This is by far its main flaw. Suits the flavours generally.

Dr: I like it, but it doesn't bring anything truly remarkable to the table. It's decently priced for what it is, and it isn't as messy as many collaboration beers. Hides its ABV well. Quite drinkable. I might try it on-draught (I'm told the DC Brau variant was draught only) but I wouldn't get the bottled version again. A likable pumpkin porter that will meet your expectations but not surpass them.

High C+

Beers to compare with: Alpine Ichabod

A poor candidate for aging. Drink within 1-6 months.

Drank fine from a goblet. A snifter or teku is probably ideal.

Pair with chocolate or marmalade on bread.

kojevergas, Jan 25, 2013
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3.75/5  rDev -1.6%

beerpadawan, Jan 23, 2013
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4/5  rDev +5%

DragonzBreath, Jan 13, 2013
Photo of brstls4drmrs
4.13/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

A - Pours a dark brown liquid with a beige/white head. Good retention with some sticking around like raindrops on a window.

S - Mild roast character with hints of pumpkin and faint chocolate. Very little coffee in there with some creamy vanilla bean as well. Very nice nose.

T - Malty and a little coco on the beginning with some pumpkin on the finish with some hints of spice. not bad.

M - Mild/Med carbonation and fairly smooth.

O - Not a bad porter.. A great scent on this one.

brstls4drmrs, Jan 11, 2013
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4/5  rDev +5%

lightfool, Jan 05, 2013
Photo of palma
4.48/5  rDev +17.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Delicious pumpkin stout here.

Aroma of roasted nuts, fig, pumpkin meat. Cherry. Vanilla. Peanut butter. More malty roastiness. Faint alcohol whiffs.

Taste is excellent. Roasty goodness. Cocoa. Burnt nuttiness. Pumpkin flesh. More pumpkin at the end. All this roastiness complemented very well with the sweet pumpkin notes. Pumpkin is definitely more pronounced at the end.

Mouthfeel is almost perfect. Creamy. Mild. Silky. Good carbonation.

The porter attributes are definitely still all the showcase here. The pumpkin is not over done. Very nice and extremely complex for a sweet pumpkin beer. Just well crafted all around.

palma, Dec 27, 2012
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2.65/5  rDev -30.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

22oz bottle poured into taster - thanks rob

Pours a clearish, lightly hazed copper, burnt orange color with a thin layering of white head on top. Fades out into a slick of film with some spotty lacing on the glass.

Heavy pumpkin spice with cinnamon and clove, touches of vanilla and chocolate. Pumpkiny with acrid booze and burnt sugar.

Sharp, intense pumpkin-driven spice up front with an off-putting amount of cinnamon and nutmeg which seems to dry out the tongue. Chocolate malts mixed with cloyingly sweet vanilla and an avalanche of candy corn pumpkin. Finishes boozy and sweet.

Lighter medium body, decent carbonation, thin, watery and sticky on the tongue. I'm notorious in my group for hating on pumpkin beers, and stuff like this is exactly why. Simply too much in nearly every category - too sweet, too boozy, too spicy, too thin. I enjoy some of Epic's beers but this is a pretty large miss for me.

xnicknj, Dec 26, 2012
Photo of liamt07
3.85/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by Steve, 650ml into a tulip. Release #8.

Black body with a light brown head. Good retention and spots of lace. Nose has some light pumpkin pie spicing, some roast, smoke and some peripheral vegetal and anise. Taste is roasty and drying, cocoa, pumpkin pie spicing midpalate and into the finish. Creamy thinner medium body and medium low carbonation. A nice pumpkin spiced porter, much nicer as it warms.

liamt07, Dec 24, 2012
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4.5/5  rDev +18.1%

YamagamiTravis, Dec 23, 2012
Photo of SColl
2.8/5  rDev -26.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Date Dec. 3, 2012
Type/ Style Pumpkin Ale
Package 22oz Bottle
Location Home
ABV 7.7%

Aroma: Strong Pumpkin, Sugary Sweetness

Appearance: Dark Black, Good Head Retention

Body/Texture: Smooth, Creamy, Medium Body, Didn't Quite Fill Mouth

Aftertaste: Pumpkin, Alcohol, Ginger, Cinnamon, Bitter

Overall: 3.0/5 Flavors weren't in balance, too much spice and bitter aftertaste turned me off.

SColl, Dec 21, 2012
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3.6/5  rDev -5.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Brown coloured body with little head. Just spice, perhaps a touch of pumpkin in the finish. Roasted coffee taste. Decent drinkability. Spiced out, pumpkined out. SOme chocolate malt, even more would be interesting but too odd for the style.
And the spices could have been betterMediumm mouthfeel. Liam's bottle.

Sammy, Dec 17, 2012
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4.4/5  rDev +15.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Epic/DC Brau Fermentation Without Representation

A- pour produces a 1 finger tan head resting on a deep brown body. Head recedes somewhat quick leaving little in the way of lacing 3.5 

S- fresh pumpkin, pumpkin spice, chocolate malt, mollases. The pumpkin and spice is most prevalent but in a fresh way, not a fake or overly sweet way. Smells excellent 4.5

T- I really like this beer a lot. Pumpkin, pumpkin spice, chocolate, caramalized brown sugar, roasted malt, vanilla and slightly dry on the back end. I really like that it retains the porter character but is still a pumpin beer first and foremost. Excellent beer. 4.5 

M- nice silky mouthfeel. On the lighter side carbonation-wise 4

O- excellent. I'm going back to buy more immediately. I really like pumpkin beers and this is very close to the top of my list for pumpkin beers. 4.5

A

t420o, Dec 14, 2012
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3.75/5  rDev -1.6%

st9647v3, Dec 08, 2012
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4/5  rDev +5%

Chugs13, Dec 02, 2012
Photo of justintcoons
3.08/5  rDev -19.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Release #7, 7.7%
Poured into a pilsner glass. Why? because it was clean.

Appearance
Extremely dark brown with some red highlights. 1 finger of tan head that dissipates quickly. Looks pretty yeasty but it's hard to tell with the color. Weak lacing.

Nose
Roasted barley, pumpkin meat, chocolate and cinnamon.

Taste
Sweet pumpkin meatiness as well as a good dose of roasted barley. Coffee grounds and chocolate milk. A touch of cinnamon spice, nutmeg and earthy char on the end.

Mouthfeel
Medium-full bodied, smooth and creamy.

Overall
A decent beer in its own right, but Pumpkin Ales with Porter/Stout bases have never really done it for me. Pretty easy drinking at 7.7%. The alcohol is well hidden.

justintcoons, Dec 01, 2012
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4/5  rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured cold from the bottle. This beer had a very dark brown/orange colour with minimal head. There smell is that of a subtle pumpkin pie: pumpkin, cinnamon, nutmeg, and spices. The smell was not as strong as many of the other pumpkin beers. The taste is similar to the smell as a subtle, but not overwhelming, pumpkin flavour hits right away. It then moves to a bitter/smokey aftertaste.

Would I buy it again? Yes.

NilocRellim, Dec 01, 2012
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4.5/5  rDev +18.1%

hickmancase, Nov 29, 2012
Photo of Onenote81
3.93/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Opened this bottle with a friend on Thanksgiving. Poured into a pint glass. Pours a dark brown with a small beige head. The aroma is pumpkin, bread, vanilla, and fresh cookies. Moderate carbonation bolsters this beer, but there's some slickness to it that detracts from it a bit. Finishes with a little snap of bubbles. Good flavor profile with obvious pumpkin, though it's not as bold as some in the style. It melds well with vanilla sweetness, milk chocolate, light coffee. Well-rounded flavors that aren't pronounced in any one area. A pleasant bounty of holiday flavors. A good pumpkin beer, that isn't a one-trick pony. A nice Thanksgiving treat.

Onenote81, Nov 26, 2012
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3.9/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served in a tumbler.

Thanks to my man Ryan for sharing this bottle!

Bitch, bitch, bitch, DC... Anyway, this stuff pours a clear tawny-orange topped by finger of khaki foam. The nose comprises mild roasted malts, light vanilla bean, light coffee, brown sugar, watered-down molasses, and a touch of dark greens. The taste brings in more of the same, with the spices coalescing into the roast, creating a full, rounded, thoroughly "dark" flavor combination. In the background lurks a bit of what seems like pumpkin seeds (never tell me there could be pumpkin involved...). The body is a limber medium, with a light moderate carbonation and a sorta/kinda drying finish. Overall, a very nice pumpkin porter, one that finds a way to not only not overdo it on the spices, but to have them actually augment the otherwise mild roastiness. Good times.

TMoney2591, Nov 22, 2012
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3.53/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - pours a deep chocolate brown. Two fingers worth of tan foam leave some spotty lacing on the glass.

S - strong aromas of chocolate syrup waft from the glass. Pumpkin pie spices are bright as well. Notes of cinnamon, clove and allspice. A quick wiff of herbal hops elicits a vegetal stem sort of character.

T - sweet malt flavor up front. Mostly chocolate syrup. Spicy flavors build mid palate. Strong cinnamon flavor as well as a peppery note.

M - smooth creamy mouthfeel. Medium bodied with medium high carbonation.

O - Sort of reminds me of Hershey's chocolate milk spiked with spices. Which gives me other ideas obviously. Nice porter.

Teleweizen2, Nov 19, 2012
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4.25/5  rDev +11.5%

oriolesfan4, Nov 16, 2012
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3.75/5  rDev -1.6%

duceswild, Nov 16, 2012
Fermentation Without Representation from Epic Brewing Company
86 out of 100 based on 460 ratings.