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Fermentation Without Representation - Epic Brewing Company

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Fermentation Without RepresentationFermentation Without Representation

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BA SCORE
86
very good

345 Ratings
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Ratings: 345
Reviews: 121
rAvg: 3.83
pDev: 11.23%
Wants: 19
Gots: 27 | FT: 1
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Epic Brewing Company visit their website
Utah, United States

Style | ABV
Pumpkin Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Our first ever collaborative beer has all the familiar flavors of the season, but done with Epic style. To a base of strong, roasty, and chocolaty porter, we add 200 pounds of real pumpkin per batch, five spices and whole Madagascar vanilla beans. As you pour this deeply ruby brown beer, you’re greeted by the aroma of fresh cut squash,followed by rich chocolate. The flavor starts sweet with marshmallow,vanilla, and some pumpkin pie, then yields to a coffee roast and darkchocolate dryness. This beer is a great introduction for curious drinkers and a special holiday treat for fans of the style.

(Beer added by: JohnGalt1 on 11-06-2011)
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mater

Ohio

4/5  rDev +4.4%

12-27-2011 08:58:08 | More by mater
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andrewm190

North Carolina

4.38/5  rDev +14.4%

This is a fantastic beer! I'm surprised it hasn't received higher reviews thus far. I'm typically not a fan of the pumpkin infused brews, but I could drink this at any gathering. It is very sweet, certainly there is the flavor of pumpkin but it isn't overwhelming in any sense and it feels mush less cheap that the typical Sam Adams entry. It pours a good frothy head that dissipates relatively quickly. The aroma is pleasant. The mouthfeel is smooth and agreeable without an overriding sense of alcohol or sweetener. I drank at about room temperature and was only disappointed when the bottle was empty. The brew is flying off the shelves in the D.C. area and I haven't met anyone not thrilled with the product.

12-27-2011 07:18:05 | More by andrewm190
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stimulus

New Jersey

3.88/5  rDev +1.3%

Release #4. 7.7%abv.

A: Pours a dark brown with ruby edges and a 1/2 finger beige head.
S: Lots of vanilla bean and a bit of cinnamon.
T: Similar to the taste, but other spices come out here, especially cloves. Some bitter chocolate is present on the finish to balance out the sweetness and spice from the adjuncts used in this beer.
M: Good carbonation, medium bodied, and no alcohol bite at all.
O: I think this is a good spiced winter porter, but could have used more flavor of the pumpkin. Otherwise, I think the brewery should go a little lighter on the vanilla bean, cinnamon, clove, and whatever else was used in this beer, if they would like to market it as a pumpkin porter.

12-24-2011 19:03:23 | More by stimulus
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guild337

Virginia

4/5  rDev +4.4%

12-22-2011 03:14:01 | More by guild337
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Rhettroactive

District of Columbia

4/5  rDev +4.4%

From 22oz bomber to Bruges hybrid glass on 11/21/11
*From notes

A: Really? We're calling this a Porter? It looks more like a drab brown ale. A decent pour yields a loose two finger head. with minor, unspectacular lacing.

S: Pretty solid. Hints of all spice, toasted pumpkin seed and cinnamon.

T: A bit toasty and charry up front. The mid showcases all spice and a touch of cinammon. The pumpkin's there too, yet it's more of a kiss, which is actually quite nice. The finish comes off like a chocolately pumpkin cinnamon candy, sans the residual sugar. Quite a robust beer for a "pumpkin ale".

M: Really on point. Rich and voluptous in the mouth. Regardless of the flavors it's packing, this is one of the better mouthfeels for a porter I've come across of recent.

O: This one really surprised me. I was in no way expecting this to be as charming as it is. DC Brau & Epic have assembled one of the better pumpkin beers of 2011, and one I could actually stomach more then 5oz of. I hope this sees the shelves again next year. Well done, gents.

12-21-2011 23:18:23 | More by Rhettroactive
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corby112

Pennsylvania

3.6/5  rDev -6%

Release #1.

Pours a dark caramel brown color with mahogany edges and a frothy, two finger beige head. Excellent retention, only slowly fading into a lasting cap that coats the glass with chunks of soapy lacing.

Slightly smokey dark malt aroma with an earthy, vegetal presence balancing out the roasted quality. Hints of chocolate, oatmeal and coffee bean countered by autumnal spice and pumpkin.

Medium bodied with a blast of autumnal spices up front that lingers over the roasted malt and sweet pumpkin into a dry finish. Lots of clove, cinnamon and brown sugar followed by the toasted dark malt notes. Hints of coffee, toast and oatmeal along with some silky chocolate malt before finishing with pumpkin and some nutmeg.

Overall this was an interesting experiment that is somewhat successful. It still has the roasted dark malt qualities of a porter with a subtle pumpkin presence. The spices are what really give it a seasonal feel. They are a bit heavy for my liking, overpowering the other notes a bit but this is still a pretty solid beer.

12-21-2011 07:27:36 | More by corby112
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claspada

New Jersey

3.65/5  rDev -4.7%

Release #4, 7.7%ABV

Pours a dark brown, almost black color, with a small tan head that recedes rather rapidly with moderate carbonation evident. Leaves a little bit of soapy, spotty lacing.

Aromas begin and immediately remind me of the Midnight Sun TREAT I had a couple months back which is a great start, though not as powerful. Starts with dry cocoa and the spices, then you get more roasted malts, chocolate and light baked pumpkin flesh. Light brown sugar notes emerge as it warms as well.

The tastes begin with much more dominant porter flavors; roasted malts and light baker's cocoa. On the back end you get a little of the spicing (mainly cinnamon) but really not much. Flavor falls short of the aroma's expectations.

The mouthfeel is medium to light bodied with medium to low carbonation. Finish is fairly dry, crisp, smooth and easy to drink.

Overall this was a pretty good beer, but fell short of my expectations. It's basically a good porter with very light hints of spice and pumpkin. The aromas got my hopes up thinking I found a Mid Sun TREAT replacement but the flavor profile fell miles short. Not bad, just not amazing. I wouldn't turn it down if someone gave it to me for free but I don't plan to revisit anytime soon.

12-21-2011 00:20:20 | More by claspada
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psuKinger

Pennsylvania

4.22/5  rDev +10.2%

22 ounce bomber, picked up at Vintage Estate as a recommendation from one of the staff, poured into one of my New Belgium Globes.

A: Pours a murky deep deep dark brown with a thin off-white head.

S: Roasted coffee grounds and a touch of pumpkin come through at a muted volume. I think this beer may be a shade too cold, hopefully it opens up a little as it warms.

T: Big bold flavors of coffee, pumpkin, and spice. What I like about this beer is that there's plenty of fantastic, rich, pumpkin flavor, and it's in no way overly-sweet. The roasty coffee flavors strike a harmonious chord with the pumpkin, and there's just a touch of cinnamon and perhaps some other spice on the back end to really give this beer a zing.

It finishes with just the appropriate amount of hops of the back end, which add a touch of dry bitterness and a touch of grapefruit that works well with the spice.

M: Carbonation bubbles are very "fine" here; no large bubbles. That "fizz" affect is still present, but I'd prefer just a touch more carbonation. Plenty of good roast/spice/hop flavors left behind on the finish, though.

D/O: I genuinely enjoyed this brew. It didn't seem like "novelty beer" to me, as most pumpkin's do. Repeatable.

12-19-2011 12:28:43 | More by psuKinger
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nrbw23

Ohio

3.55/5  rDev -7.3%

A- Pours a really dark brown color if not black. Has a bit of an odd colored whiteish colored head not at all what I expected here. Head turns into a layer of bubbles and leaves a few spots of lacing.

S- Smells of roasted malts, pumpkin, spice, light chocolate and smoke.

T- Follows the nose pretty well. Taste is roasted malts, chocolate, pumpkin and spice. A good mixture of pumpkin, spice and roasted malts.

M- Lighter side of medium in body and carbonation was pretty nice.

O- Surprisingly impressed. Probably not something I would drink often but solid.

12-19-2011 04:18:33 | More by nrbw23
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DavoleBomb

Ohio

3.98/5  rDev +3.9%

Poured into a snifter. Release #3.

4.5 A: Black color. Nearly three fingers of frothy/creamy tan head. Retention is good with tons of lacing left behind.

4.0 S: I'm loving the nose on this. This actually smells like pumpkin, not just the associated spices. The spices are still very present though with cinnamon sticking out over nutmeg, allspice, and clove. The underlying porter adds a hefty dose of graininess, light roast, and chocolate.

4.0 T: Again, great integration between the pumpkin, spice, and porter. Real pumpkin taste, all the spices mentioned above, and a healthy dose of chocolate. Clean maltiness with chocolate, light roast, and a touch of coffee.

3.5 M: Lighter medium body. Good moderate carbonation. I wish this were creamier. This beer would be leagues better with a thicker, creamy body.

4.0 D: There aren't a lot of great pumpkin beers out there, but this one at least gets close. Solid all-around aside from maybe the mouthfeel.

12-19-2011 03:28:17 | More by DavoleBomb
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frenchblood21

Ohio

3.13/5  rDev -18.3%

Appearance- As brown as a beer can get without being black. Great lacing throughout.

Smell- This is the weak link in the beer. coffee and butterscotch, which is to be expected from a porter. None of the pumpkin or spice comes out.

Taste- The smallest amount of fall spices, but if you didn't know it was a pumpkin porter, you would never tell. Mostly stout-like tastes.

Mouthfeel- Great mouthfeel! A thick and creamy beer that stays on the tongue for about 15 seconds.

Overall- A great tasting beer, but a big let down for being an imperial pumpkin porter. Its worth trying, but don't rush for this one.

12-10-2011 01:23:35 | More by frenchblood21
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WMEugene

Virginia

4.05/5  rDev +5.7%

A - Black (brown base) with a thick, off-white bubbly head that dissipates to a thinner layer and pretty good lacing.

S - Roasted malts with vanilla and pumpkin notes quite apparent. Some other spices are definitely present.

T - Pumpkin flavors blend nicely with the roasted/charred malts. Hints of vanilla, coffee, cloves and other spices. Well-balanced.

M - Medium/Thick-bodied, nice carbonation level. Hides the alcohol well and has a nice aftertaste.

O - I found Epic/DC Brau's collaboration to be a good one. Pumpkin + Porter is a great combination and I hope that this beer will make a future appearance in both's lineups. A nice seasonal to close the Fall out with!

12-06-2011 00:15:56 | More by WMEugene
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TheHoppiest

Ohio

4.08/5  rDev +6.5%

Poured from a 22 oz bomber into two small chalices. Pours a very dark brown that lets just a hint of light through, with 1/2" tan head that reduces to a soapy film on top.

Roasted malt, coffee, chocolate, hints of pumpkin flesh, nutmeg and cloves combine for a very pleasant smell.

Mmmmm, chocolate, pumpkin, roasted coffee beans, roasted malt, nutmeg, and pumpkin pie spices meld together for a tasty fall brew. What bitterness there is comes from the black coffee finish.

Medium to full bodied, the sweet roasted malt gives this a bready feel that works well with the pumpkin. In some respects, it feels like a milk stout more than a porter

This is only the second pumpkin beer I've had that combined the pumpkin with a darker roasted beer, and I'm totally sold as a fan. While Pumpking still reigns supreme, these darker pumpkin beers are, in general, much better tasting than the typical ale style pumpkin beer. Definitely recommend this one if you can find it!

12-03-2011 23:05:52 | More by TheHoppiest
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ottodyer

Maryland

4/5  rDev +4.4%

12-01-2011 03:06:57 | More by ottodyer
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smakawhat

Maryland

4/5  rDev +4.4%

Did you have pumpkin beer? You had pumkin beer. Dude what is wrong with you? Oh. It's a porter, ok well chalk this one up to different, plus I'll go see if I can cheer for the hometeam here (sort of). Poured on tap at Pizza Paradiso Dupont into a tumbler.

A nice light tan colored head, slightly creamy with tiny foam. Body is a dark brown walnut not much else. Looks fine from the start.

Nose is soft, squash, nutmeg, some mild sweet vanilla and clove, with mild sense of crust.

Taste brings nice roasting char and pumpkin spice mix. Mild burnt vanilla and warm brown spices of sweet nutmeg with a simple good body. Mild carbonation, good malt density to go with the spice as well.

Overall perhaps porter and pumpkin equals success! Quite suprised with this one, neat take and another good brew.

11-30-2011 18:36:52 | More by smakawhat
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dtx00

Pennsylvania

4/5  rDev +4.4%

11-28-2011 19:20:42 | More by dtx00
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Scotchboy

Idaho

3.5/5  rDev -8.6%

Fermentation without Representation, Batch #1. 22oz bottle split into pint glasses.

A: Pours a very thin black that I can pretty much see right through, with tons of ruby red highlights. Head dissipates quickly - typical of vegetable beers.

S: Highlighted by light squash notes, nutmeg, spiciness, light roastiness and chocolate notes underneath.

T: Taste follows the nose...porter-ish with light pumpkin/spice highlights...light coffee and hops notes on the finish.

MF: Very (light) medium body, ok carbonation.

O: Not my favorite BUT not too overpowering in any sense. Both the pumpkin and porter aspects were light and worked ok together. I would prefer a touch more roastiness.

11-28-2011 15:12:55 | More by Scotchboy
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shwillivanilli

California

4/5  rDev +4.4%

11-28-2011 02:13:55 | More by shwillivanilli
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BelgiumBill

Virginia

3.53/5  rDev -7.8%

I paid $5.49 for a 22oz bottle at Total Wine.

Using a Guinness pint glass, this poured a dark mahogany brown with ruby highlights at the edges. Crowned by a moderately thick beige foamy head which receded quickly and was very sticky throughout the session.

The nose was classic porter with roasted malts, french roast coffee, bitter chocolate, intertwined with subtle hints of pumpkin, and spices such as clove, nutmeg, allspice.

The flavors were much like the nose with the porter qualities dominant and amped up a bit being an Imperial. The pumpkin and associated spices were quite subtle and not as expected given the label. However, I found that the pumpkin was present, along with the other spices and were complex when you searched for them.

The mouthfeel was execellent with the alcohol well concealed.

I think temperature will play a big role in your flavors on this one. Thought I didn't take a thermometer to it, I served it at about 45F degrees. Once it warmed to about 55 the pumpkin and spice was more evident.

Other reviewers were disappointed with the lack of pumpkin present. Frankly, I was pleasantly surprised as I'm not sure I really want a pumpkin bomb. So, before you imbibe set your pumpkin expectation low and enjoy the excellent porter with nuanced pumpkin and spice.

11-27-2011 19:04:48 | More by BelgiumBill
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TIsherwood

Maine

2.95/5  rDev -23%

Release #1 printed on bottle.

Picked up a bomber at Bier:Thirty Bistro in Boise on November 19th and cracked it open this evening.

Not sure how I felt about this one...

Poured a beautiful black into a simple glass mug. Lacing clung to the sides all the way down.

Smell was slightly off...no pumpkin on the nose whatsoever...

Taste: This is easily the most drinkable porter I've ever had, nevermind that it was an imperial porter. With that being said, I was sort of disappointed in the fact that it was gone in half an hour. Are you supposed to be able to down porters? I think not. If you are expecting a pumpkin taste on this prepare to be disappointed. Picked up some slight spice...but pumpkin? Where's the 200+ lbs. of pumpkin supposedly brewed into this batch?!


Mouthfeel was very smooth...not much carbonation at all...pretty deceptive for a 7.3%, no bite from the alcohol at all.

Overall...not a horrible beer but it wasn't what I was hoping. I bought it simply because it was a PUMPKIN porter...and it has no pumpkin taste to it at all. So if this was simply a porter it would be great, the label says otherwise. I know Epic makes some good brews and this probably just needs to be tweaked some more to perfection. I can't knock it, but can't say I'd recommend this batch.

11-27-2011 03:53:39 | More by TIsherwood
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Travisnin

Idaho

3.5/5  rDev -8.6%

11-26-2011 06:55:40 | More by Travisnin
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rlettre

Maryland

4/5  rDev +4.4%

11-25-2011 01:49:41 | More by rlettre
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CuriousMonk

Virginia

3.15/5  rDev -17.8%

Poured from bomber into tulip glass. Pours deeply ruby brown beer with light thin off-white head. Aroma of fresh cut squash, followed by rich chocolate. The flavor starts sweet with marshmallow, vanilla, and some pumpkin pie, then yields to a coffee roast and dark chocolate bitter dryness. Medium to full bodied. Did not pick up very much pumpkin on this one though I did recognize some of Epic's and DC Brau's typical traits from their flagship brews. Quite disappointed with this interesting offering.

11-22-2011 22:32:32 | More by CuriousMonk
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fo5s

District of Columbia

3.13/5  rDev -18.3%

22oz bottle served into portsmouth tulip. Split with Chris during the Patriots / Chiefs game. Release #1 clearly printed on the bottle - per the website brewed 10/2/11, bottled 10/17/11.

A- pours a very deep brown, with a small, light brown head. Minimal lacing.

S- smells of dry pumpkin over a hefty porter base. Hint of chocolate.

T- malt forward with a solid backbone of smooth pumpkin. Finish is bakers chocolate. I'm struggling to pick up the 5 spices supposedly in the recipe. Lacks the roasty malts I'd look for in a porter.

M- body is very thin for an imperial porter...seems closer to a big scotch.

O- overall a decent brew, but didn't meet my expectation for an imperial pumpkin porter. I was hoping for more body and more spices.

11-22-2011 02:32:19 | More by fo5s
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Bierguy5

Ohio

3.95/5  rDev +3.1%

22 oz bottle, 7.5% abv. Batch #3. Very deep brown, bordering on black. Mocha head looks good, and remains in a thin layer for quite a while.

Some roasty malt, with milk chocolate notes up front. A raw, vegetable-like pumpkin feel next. Very faint hint of pumpkin pie spices.

Nice roasty feel up front, with some lingering sweetness. Pumpkin pie spices come in soft compared to other pumpkin beers. Slight raw pumpkin feel, but none of the bitterness. Dries out a bit at the finish.

Medium body, lighter carbonation leading to a nice creamy feel. A bit of warmth, but really seems to fit in well. Nice beer.

11-21-2011 01:13:15 | More by Bierguy5
Fermentation Without Representation from Epic Brewing Company
86 out of 100 based on 345 ratings.