Fermentation Without Representation - Epic Brewing Company

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very good

496 Ratings
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Ratings: 496
Reviews: 145
rAvg: 3.82
pDev: 11.52%
Wants: 20
Gots: 58 | FT: 0
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Utah, United States

Style | ABV
Pumpkin Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: JohnGalt1 on 11-06-2011

Our first ever collaborative beer has all the familiar flavors of the season, but done with Epic style. To a base of strong, roasty, and chocolaty porter, we add 200 pounds of real pumpkin per batch, five spices and whole Madagascar vanilla beans. As you pour this deeply ruby brown beer, you’re greeted by the aroma of fresh cut squash,followed by rich chocolate. The flavor starts sweet with marshmallow,vanilla, and some pumpkin pie, then yields to a coffee roast and darkchocolate dryness. This beer is a great introduction for curious drinkers and a special holiday treat for fans of the style.
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Photo of StoutHunter
3.89/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.75

I picked up a bottle of Epic's Fermentation Without Representation last month for 12.49 at The Lager Mill. I have only had a couple beers from Epic, but so far I think they are a pretty solid brewery and I have been wanting to try something from DC Brau for a long time and so far this collaboration is the closest I have come to something from them. It's pretty late for a Pumpkin beer, but better late than never, so lets see how it goes. 2012 Fall Vintage release #3. Poured from a brown 22oz bottle into a snifter.

A- The label looks ok, the bright orange color goes with the season and it makes it stick out a little. It poured a nice dark brown color that took on a great dark ruby hue when held to the light with three fingers worth of medium dark tan head that died down to a thin ring that stayed till the end and it left a good amount of sticky lacing behind. This is pretty good looking beer, the color is really nice and so is the head and lacing.

S- The aroma starts off with a high amount of medium sweetness followed by some sweet and roasted malts that impart a light roasty and pretty chocolate like aroma with dark chocolate seeming to come out the most with some aromas similar to a tootsie roll. Up next come some pumpkin pie spices, a light vanilla aroma and an authentic pumpkin aroma. The aroma is good and very unique, it honestly smells like i just stuck my head in a bag of Halloween candy and took a deep breath, I like it and I can't stop smelling it, it's very unique.

T- The taste seems to be fairly similar to the aroma and it starts off with a medium amount of sweetness followed by some roasted malts that impart some roasted, dark grainy, and some nice chocolate flavors that leans more towards dark chocolate with some cocoa in the background. Up next comes a lighter amount of pumpkin pie spices that aren't overpowering with some mild vanilla. Up next comes some natural tasting pumpkin that has a real nice meaty pumpkin flavor to it. On the finish there's a lower amount of bitterness with a little more sweetness with a cocoa and meaty pumpkin like aftertaste with a little bit of spices in the background. This is a good tasting beer the flavors are nicely balanced and pretty unique even for a pumpkin beer.

M- Pretty smooth, a little creamy, slightly sticky, medium bodied with a good amount of medium carbonation. The mouthfeel is ok, but it seems a little watery,

Overall I thought this was a good beer and a pretty good example of the style, the pumpkin flavors worked nicely with the porter base and the balance was also pretty nice. This beer had decent drinkability, it was smooth and not too filling, with some nice flavors that held my attention, I could drink a whole bottle of this but more than that and I think it would start to wear on me. What I liked the most about this beer was the aroma, it was pretty good, it was so unique how it smelled like a bag of mixed Halloween candy. What I liked the least about this beer was the mouthfeel, it just felt a little too watery for the style. I would buy a bottle of this again next year, I would like to try it fresh, it's expensive but I got 20% off since it was older stock, but I think $12 is too much for this beer, I would recommend this to anyone who likes pumpkin beers. All in all I was happy with this beer, everything worked well together and the spices weren't overdone. So far this is up there as one of the better Pumpkin Ale's I have had. Good job guys, this was a nice collaboration and I will be on the search for more brews from both brewerys, keep up the good work.

Photo of mactrail
3.83/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Dark chestnut color in the chalice. Decent foam and lively on the tongue.

The spice is pleasant rather than flamboyant. Cloves and a little cinnamon. Starts out sweet with warm malt flavors but changes to a dry finish. A substantial burnt sugar and bark taste. The squash shows up as a yammy quality. Ends on a bitter note, so it does have some hoppy underpinnings. Quite drinkable. Also it's a nice strength-- stronger than average but not a ten percenter. This would be one to watch for during the holidays.

From the 22 oz bottle bought at Bine and Vine in San Diego. This is Batch #8 and 7.7% ABV.

Photo of kojevergas
3.25/5  rDev -14.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

I gained confidence in Epic after trying Big Bad Baptist, which really impressed me. So I picked this one up for $8.99 at a local shop. 1 pint 6 fl oz brown glass bottle with standard pressure cap served into a New Belgium stem-goblet in me gaff in low altitude Los Angeles, California. Reviewed live. Expectations are high given the style, hype, and brewery.

Exponential series. DC Brau collaboration. Release #8. 7.7% ABV according to my label.

Served straight from the fridge and allowed to warm over the course of consumption. Side-poured with standard vigor as no carbonation issues are anticipated.

A: Pours a two finger gorgeous frothy khaki colour head of very good cream and thickness, and good (~3 minute) retention for the high ABV. Body colour is a solid nontransparent opaque black. No yeast particles are visible. No bubble show. Par for the style, but with a nice appealing head. So far so good. There's nothing unique or special about it.

Sm: Pumpkin gourd and some spice: nutmeg, cinnamon, maybe rosemary. Dark malts, cream, a hint of coffee. Timid underlying caramelization. Maybe a fleeting tinge of vanilla. A well executed aroma for a pumpkin porter. Evocative and appealing. Moderate in strength. I'm excited to try it. Little hopping here. Good aromatics.

T: Pumpkin notes are delightful; it's not just the meaty gourd but also the fruit aspect (yes, pumpkin is a fruit). Light spicing; mainly nutmeg but also some rosemary. Dark malts fill out the foundation with little caramelization. Some light milky cream lends the body character. It's simply executed, but effectively so. There's not a great deal of subtlety to it, but it hits the right notes for the style. No yeast character comes through, nor does any alcohol. I don't get any roasted barley, which is a damn shame. Coffee is also missing. There's maybe some chocolate malt here, but no true chocolate. Well layered and definitely balanced, but it does leave something to be desired. This isn't unique or special.

Mf: Smooth and wet. Some creamy quality. Good carbonation, if a touch too high. Good palate presence. Too thin; it flirts with weakness. This is by far its main flaw. Suits the flavours generally.

Dr: I like it, but it doesn't bring anything truly remarkable to the table. It's decently priced for what it is, and it isn't as messy as many collaboration beers. Hides its ABV well. Quite drinkable. I might try it on-draught (I'm told the DC Brau variant was draught only) but I wouldn't get the bottled version again. A likable pumpkin porter that will meet your expectations but not surpass them.

High C+

Beers to compare with: Alpine Ichabod

A poor candidate for aging. Drink within 1-6 months.

Drank fine from a goblet. A snifter or teku is probably ideal.

Pair with chocolate or marmalade on bread.

Photo of brstls4drmrs
4.16/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

A - Pours a dark brown liquid with a beige/white head. Good retention with some sticking around like raindrops on a window.

S - Mild roast character with hints of pumpkin and faint chocolate. Very little coffee in there with some creamy vanilla bean as well. Very nice nose.

T - Malty and a little coco on the beginning with some pumpkin on the finish with some hints of spice. not bad.

M - Mild/Med carbonation and fairly smooth.

O - Not a bad porter.. A great scent on this one.

Photo of palma
4.47/5  rDev +17%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Delicious pumpkin stout here.

Aroma of roasted nuts, fig, pumpkin meat. Cherry. Vanilla. Peanut butter. More malty roastiness. Faint alcohol whiffs.

Taste is excellent. Roasty goodness. Cocoa. Burnt nuttiness. Pumpkin flesh. More pumpkin at the end. All this roastiness complemented very well with the sweet pumpkin notes. Pumpkin is definitely more pronounced at the end.

Mouthfeel is almost perfect. Creamy. Mild. Silky. Good carbonation.

The porter attributes are definitely still all the showcase here. The pumpkin is not over done. Very nice and extremely complex for a sweet pumpkin beer. Just well crafted all around.

Photo of xnicknj
2.68/5  rDev -29.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

22oz bottle poured into taster - thanks rob

Pours a clearish, lightly hazed copper, burnt orange color with a thin layering of white head on top. Fades out into a slick of film with some spotty lacing on the glass.

Heavy pumpkin spice with cinnamon and clove, touches of vanilla and chocolate. Pumpkiny with acrid booze and burnt sugar.

Sharp, intense pumpkin-driven spice up front with an off-putting amount of cinnamon and nutmeg which seems to dry out the tongue. Chocolate malts mixed with cloyingly sweet vanilla and an avalanche of candy corn pumpkin. Finishes boozy and sweet.

Lighter medium body, decent carbonation, thin, watery and sticky on the tongue. I'm notorious in my group for hating on pumpkin beers, and stuff like this is exactly why. Simply too much in nearly every category - too sweet, too boozy, too spicy, too thin. I enjoy some of Epic's beers but this is a pretty large miss for me.

Photo of liamt07
3.83/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by Steve, 650ml into a tulip. Release #8.

Black body with a light brown head. Good retention and spots of lace. Nose has some light pumpkin pie spicing, some roast, smoke and some peripheral vegetal and anise. Taste is roasty and drying, cocoa, pumpkin pie spicing midpalate and into the finish. Creamy thinner medium body and medium low carbonation. A nice pumpkin spiced porter, much nicer as it warms.

Photo of SColl
2.83/5  rDev -25.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Date Dec. 3, 2012
Type/ Style Pumpkin Ale
Package 22oz Bottle
Location Home
ABV 7.7%

Aroma: Strong Pumpkin, Sugary Sweetness

Appearance: Dark Black, Good Head Retention

Body/Texture: Smooth, Creamy, Medium Body, Didn't Quite Fill Mouth

Aftertaste: Pumpkin, Alcohol, Ginger, Cinnamon, Bitter

Overall: 3.0/5 Flavors weren't in balance, too much spice and bitter aftertaste turned me off.

Photo of Sammy
3.62/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Brown coloured body with little head. Just spice, perhaps a touch of pumpkin in the finish. Roasted coffee taste. Decent drinkability. Spiced out, pumpkined out. SOme chocolate malt, even more would be interesting but too odd for the style.
And the spices could have been betterMediumm mouthfeel. Liam's bottle.

Photo of t420o
4.39/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Epic/DC Brau Fermentation Without Representation

A- pour produces a 1 finger tan head resting on a deep brown body. Head recedes somewhat quick leaving little in the way of lacing 3.5 

S- fresh pumpkin, pumpkin spice, chocolate malt, mollases. The pumpkin and spice is most prevalent but in a fresh way, not a fake or overly sweet way. Smells excellent 4.5

T- I really like this beer a lot. Pumpkin, pumpkin spice, chocolate, caramalized brown sugar, roasted malt, vanilla and slightly dry on the back end. I really like that it retains the porter character but is still a pumpin beer first and foremost. Excellent beer. 4.5 

M- nice silky mouthfeel. On the lighter side carbonation-wise 4

O- excellent. I'm going back to buy more immediately. I really like pumpkin beers and this is very close to the top of my list for pumpkin beers. 4.5

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Photo of justintcoons
3.08/5  rDev -19.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Release #7, 7.7%
Poured into a pilsner glass. Why? because it was clean.

Appearance
Extremely dark brown with some red highlights. 1 finger of tan head that dissipates quickly. Looks pretty yeasty but it's hard to tell with the color. Weak lacing.

Nose
Roasted barley, pumpkin meat, chocolate and cinnamon.

Taste
Sweet pumpkin meatiness as well as a good dose of roasted barley. Coffee grounds and chocolate milk. A touch of cinnamon spice, nutmeg and earthy char on the end.

Mouthfeel
Medium-full bodied, smooth and creamy.

Overall
A decent beer in its own right, but Pumpkin Ales with Porter/Stout bases have never really done it for me. Pretty easy drinking at 7.7%. The alcohol is well hidden.

Photo of NilocRellim
4/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured cold from the bottle. This beer had a very dark brown/orange colour with minimal head. There smell is that of a subtle pumpkin pie: pumpkin, cinnamon, nutmeg, and spices. The smell was not as strong as many of the other pumpkin beers. The taste is similar to the smell as a subtle, but not overwhelming, pumpkin flavour hits right away. It then moves to a bitter/smokey aftertaste.

Would I buy it again? Yes.

Photo of Onenote81
3.92/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Opened this bottle with a friend on Thanksgiving. Poured into a pint glass. Pours a dark brown with a small beige head. The aroma is pumpkin, bread, vanilla, and fresh cookies. Moderate carbonation bolsters this beer, but there's some slickness to it that detracts from it a bit. Finishes with a little snap of bubbles. Good flavor profile with obvious pumpkin, though it's not as bold as some in the style. It melds well with vanilla sweetness, milk chocolate, light coffee. Well-rounded flavors that aren't pronounced in any one area. A pleasant bounty of holiday flavors. A good pumpkin beer, that isn't a one-trick pony. A nice Thanksgiving treat.

Photo of TMoney2591
3.88/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served in a tumbler.

Thanks to my man Ryan for sharing this bottle!

Bitch, bitch, bitch, DC... Anyway, this stuff pours a clear tawny-orange topped by finger of khaki foam. The nose comprises mild roasted malts, light vanilla bean, light coffee, brown sugar, watered-down molasses, and a touch of dark greens. The taste brings in more of the same, with the spices coalescing into the roast, creating a full, rounded, thoroughly "dark" flavor combination. In the background lurks a bit of what seems like pumpkin seeds (never tell me there could be pumpkin involved...). The body is a limber medium, with a light moderate carbonation and a sorta/kinda drying finish. Overall, a very nice pumpkin porter, one that finds a way to not only not overdo it on the spices, but to have them actually augment the otherwise mild roastiness. Good times.

Photo of Teleweizen2
3.53/5  rDev -7.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - pours a deep chocolate brown. Two fingers worth of tan foam leave some spotty lacing on the glass.

S - strong aromas of chocolate syrup waft from the glass. Pumpkin pie spices are bright as well. Notes of cinnamon, clove and allspice. A quick wiff of herbal hops elicits a vegetal stem sort of character.

T - sweet malt flavor up front. Mostly chocolate syrup. Spicy flavors build mid palate. Strong cinnamon flavor as well as a peppery note.

M - smooth creamy mouthfeel. Medium bodied with medium high carbonation.

O - Sort of reminds me of Hershey's chocolate milk spiked with spices. Which gives me other ideas obviously. Nice porter.

Photo of Gregfalone
4.23/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served on tap in a tulip glass at congregation ale house in Azusa California

Pours dark amber brown with some light showing through with one finger head that holds well, leaving a nice pattern behind as it goes down

Smells of baked pumpkin, with molasses and spices (mainly ginger)

Tastes like a fresh baked pumpkin pie, with cinnamon, brown sugar and all the other great spices that make a good pumpkin pie.

Mouthfeel is medium, with matching carbonation an a not so dry finish

Overall, this is a very good porter, I would drink again

Photo of RockyTopHeel
4.08/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle hand-stamped "Release #8, 7.7% ALC./VOL."

Cola-colored with a frothy beige head. Aroma of spice and roasted malts. Balanced, with hints of spice and pumpkin but also more traditional, roasted porter flavors. Vanilla, nutmeg, allspice, cinnamon, ginger and cloves according to the website, and I think I can pick up most of those (definitely the vanilla, allspice and cinnamon). Overall, though, really balanced -- as much porter as pumpkin, which I respect and appreciate. Spiced to enhance flavor, not overpower it. Just really well done and great for a chilly Saturday afternoon.

Photo of GilGarp
4.38/5  rDev +14.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Batch #1.

Bomber served cold into a pint glass.

Dark brown color with good clarity seen on the pour. Inch thick head is slow to settle and has nice lacing.

Aroma is rich and roasty like a nice porter should be with mild pumpkin pie spice added.

Flavor is very pleasant with just the right amount of spice. It would be good just as a traditional strong porter but the spice adds an additional layer making it a bit more interesting.

It has a creamy smooth mouthfeel and good balance.

Overall a really good imperial porter and a perfect beer for a chilly Halloween night.

Photo of jsanto
4.32/5  rDev +13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

relese #7, had in a three philosophers little glass.

appearance: brown, nice light brown head,

smell: vanella, and a little cocoa

taste: light alcohol, cocoa wood, not bad for a porter, and a finish of sweet soda pop.funny huh.

mouthfeel: tangy but tasteful, i lika dat mouthfeel a lot.

overall: one of the better pumkins i have had, would buy again next year, and enjoy the epic fermentation eithout representation series of beers throughout the year.

Photo of ROBSTARR
5/5  rDev +30.9%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This has to be the best if not a close second best pumpkin beer I've ever had. It poured dark brown with light head into a snifter. The smell is of cocoa, pumpkin, cinnamon, nutmeg and peanut butter. The taste of this beer I only can describe as a peanut butter cup made with pumpkin spice. This beer goes down extremely smooth and creamy. Overall I loved this beer, of course I love peanut butter cups and pumpkin spice stuff. So if you like both those things just imagine them combined.

Photo of jamesDaExMoBeerGuy
3.86/5  rDev +1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured into a pilsner glass, dark roasted amber color with just a bit of head but persistent lacing.

Smell was a bit underwhelming, expected more character here, just a bit of toasted malt and grain and nothing given away to the squash itself.

Taste is malty, subtle peppery but PUMPKIN comes through rich and well balanced with hop. Feels a bit thin in the middle, but left with a wonderful pumpkin aftertaste.

Finishes well, aside from a bit thin mid-mouth taste this beer just hit me right on a fall night with a real chill in the brisk wind. Seemed just about perfect for the occasion and the best pumpkin styled porter I have had.

Photo of jjanega08
4.17/5  rDev +9.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Release #8
7.7% ALC./VOL.

A= Pours a nice deep brown color with dark ruby highlights as well as a little half fnger of head on top with little lacing and retention.

S= Smells interesting. You don't see many pumpkin porters but this has a nice mix of roast as well as a nice spice aroma to it. A nice pumpkin aroma to it and a little bit of a plain squashy aroma.

T= The taste is again a great mix of porter roast to it as well as a nice spice to it. The pumpkin flavor is outragously great. This is easily the most squashy pumpkiny beer I've had so far as far as flavor goes. There is a nice flavor to this.

M= The mouth is silky smooth. A little more carbonation might be nice.

O= This is a great beer. Super nice pumpkin flavor to it and a great overall beer. This is the second great Epic beer I've had in as many days. They are winning me back.

Photo of bcostner1
3.01/5  rDev -21.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Bottle Release #5

A: Pretty typical porter. Dark brown with some dark ruby red highlights. Nice khaki head that lingers for a while.

S: Underwhelming. Heavy on the clove. Some faint chocolate in there. Really no other spices detectable other than the clove.

T: Again, very heavy on the clove in the taste...too heavy. Minimal cinnamon present. Some definite chocolate and fleshy pumpkin present. Personally, I was hoping for a more well balanced/well represented array of spices (some cinnamon, nutmeg and allspice for example). Way too clove heavy for me. Sweetness/bitterness balance isn't bad overall though. Chocolate becomes more pronounced as it warms up a bit but still not nearly enough.

M: Pretty easy drinker. Not boozy at all. Decent body; not thin. Satisfying.

Overall, I would say that this is a very average (at best) pumpkin porter. I am not a huge fan of "clove forward" pumpkin ales and this one is definitely clove dominated. Wish there were a better representation of other spices and a heavier chocolate element personally. I actually ended up drinking about 2/3 of the bomber and pouring the rest of it out. Something about it just got very off-putting to me after a while. Too bad...I was looking forward to this one.

Photo of metter98
3.73/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: The beer is clear but very dark amber (near black) in color. It poured with a finger high tan head that died down, leaving lacing on the surface and a thin collar around the edge of the glass.
S: There are aromas of pumpkins in the nose.
T: The taste is much more complex than the smell, having flavors of chocolate and roasted malts along with pumpkins and notes of vanilla beans. This transitions to spicy flavors that linger through the finish—among these ginger stands out in particular.
M: It feels a bit shy of medium-bodied on the palate and has a moderate amount of carbonation.
O: This is an interesting beer to have during the autumn. It's relatively easy to drink, except that I wasn't really a big fan of the ginger and think all of the flavors blended really well together except for it.

Note: Release #7

Photo of dbrauneis
3.83/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Release #7

A: Pours an opaque but clear very dark amber (almost black) in color with dark brown highlights when held up to the light and light amounts of visible carbonation near the surface of the beer. The beer has a finger tall light tan head that quickly reduces to a medium sized patch of large bubbles, a thin film covering the majority the surface of the beer, and a thin ring at the edges of the glass. Moderate to significant amounts of lacing are observed.

S: Light to moderate aromas of roasted malts, chocolate, pumpkin, and vanilla. This is followed by much lighter notes of spices - nutmeg, cinnamon, allspice, and ginger.

T: Moderate flavors of roasted malts and chocolate upfront, followed by the flavor of the pumpkin and the vanilla. There are spicy notes in the finish with nutmeg, cinnamon, and ginger standing out.

M: Just shy of medium bodied with moderate amounts of carbonation. Slightly thin with a bit of dryness in the finish.

O: A very interesting take on a pumpkin beer, the pumpkin and pumpkin pie spices really add to the depth of flavor of the porter. Enjoyable and pretty easy to drink - the alcohol is well hidden.

Fermentation Without Representation from Epic Brewing Company
86 out of 100 based on 496 ratings.