Elder Brett: Saison-Brett Golden Ale - Epic Brewing Company

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Ratings: 363
Reviews: 90
rAvg: 4.03
pDev: 9.43%
Wants: 27
Gots: 58 | FT: 6
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Epic Brewing Company visit their website
Utah, United States

Style | ABV
Saison / Farmhouse Ale |  8.80% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: JohnGalt1 on 01-28-2012

Epic Brewing Company’s latest barrel-aged beer brings something new—wild yeast. This brew is a collaboration ale with Crooked Stave Artisan Brewing of Fort Collins, Colorado. Chad Yakobson, brewmaster/owner of Crooked Stave, is well known for his skill and knowledge in the brewing of sour and Brettanomyces driven beers. The beer was brewed at Epic by the two brewers. Kevin Crompton, Epic’s brewmaster, and Chad spent several weeks working on the recipe and selecting the proper Brett strains and barrels for the beer to morph from a golden Sasion into a Saison-Brett Golden Ale.
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Photo of kojevergas
2.68/5  rDev -33.5%
look: 2.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.25 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2.5

1 pint 6 fl oz brown glass bottle with branded silver pressure cap and simple lime green/beige label served into a Uinta pilsner glass in me gaff in low altitude Los Feliz, Los Angeles, California. Reviewed live. Expectations are high; I loved Big Bad Baptist and I love a good saison, but I'm not big on Crooked Stave. Release #2. 9.5% ABV according to my bottle.

Served straight from the fridge and allowed to warm over the course of consumption. Side-poured with standard vigor as no carbonation issues are anticipated.

A: Pours a two finger white colour head of fair cream, nice thickness, and pretty decent (~4 minute) retention for the high ABV. Body colour is a clear translucent pale yellow. No yeast particles are visible. No bubble show. Not a great appearance for a saison, but it's not unappealing.

Sm: Pear, white wine, white grapeskin, lightly tart brettanomyces - nowhere near as funky as I expected, pale malts, crystal malts, light lemon citrus esters, cidery character, buried delicate wood barrel, and light pale grains. A subtly executed aroma of mild to moderate strength. No alcohol is detectable. It's not quite what I expected, but it's good. More a golden ale than a saison based on the aromatics. Any hopping is light and floral in character. Intriguing.

T: Hm. There's good and bad here. White grapeskin is the first thing I get. It has an overly sweet pale malt body. Hopping is floral and generic. The white wine aging takes a turn for the worse around the climax, where it quickly devolves into a crappy white wine mixed with cheap pear cidre. Ugh. Overdone crystal malt is prominent. Where's the subtlety of the aroma? I'm not liking this one at all; I didn't expect it to be this bad. Terribly balanced. Poorly built for a saison. I don't get hardly any brettanomyces; no funkiness and only a bit of tartness. What went wrong here? Is Batch #2 considerably different than Batch #1?

Mf: A bit acidic. Coarse and wet. Unrefreshing. Overly thick. Overcarbonated. Poor presence on the palate. Horribly executed for a saison. Doesn't suit the flavour profile or the style hardly at all.

Dr: I used to think Epic was crappy based on the Brainless beers I tried. Then I had Big Bad Baptist and wanted to try more Epic. Now, I'm moving back towards leaving their beers on the shelf. Is this brewery really this hit and miss? Or can I pin this one on Crooked Stave? Terribly done for a saison, lacking any degree of subtlety, balance, or sophistication. Really disappointing. I'll have trouble killing this bottle due to the low quality. Not at all recommended. Unexpectedly bad.

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Photo of AshburnWineShop
2.77/5  rDev -31.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.75

Pour out of 22 oz bottle. I though the color for a saison was very nice, honey in color.

Smelled of soap box, floral..Acacia and resin.

Taste was hard to wrap my head around. Not tart but honey and flowers come to mind.

Over all - it didn't taste appealing to me.

Photo of BrownAleMale
2.93/5  rDev -27.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

Might as well be white wine. Barrel aging was over done and not my thing!

Photo of Thorpe429
3.19/5  rDev -20.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

Thanks Jeff. Served in a cervoise. Pale yellow. Bready and Bretty. Lemon and a bit of grain. Flavor a bit phenolic. Moderate carbonation. Dry.

Photo of Beaver13
3.36/5  rDev -16.6%
look: 2 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

22oz bottle, release #1. Pours a hazy yellow with a smallish white head that goes to a thin film that leaves some lacing. It has quite a few floaties.

The aroma is floral brett and some slightly metallic overripe fruits and some funk.

The flavor is some fruity apple champagne with brett notes and some funk with a bit of bitterness in the dry finish. The mouthfeel is medium bodied with smooth carbonation.

Overall, I recall this being a much better brett beer when I had it a couple of months ago. Either this bottle is different or it isn't aging well for my tastes. A lot more sediment this time around too.

Photo of mroberts1204
3.37/5  rDev -16.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3.25

Cracked open a 22oz bottle of this. Label indicates 'Release #2, 9.5% ABV'.

Pours a straw color with bright white head. Smell is of pilsner malt, light funky brett, pineapple, and hops. Taste is slightly tart, hops, a bit of funk, and some out of place sweetness. No barrel. Medium to full body. Mouthfeel is a weak spot for me. A little slick. A bit too full for the style and many typical saison characteristics were missing. Overall its an okay beer that hides the alcohol well. There are some nice flavors but it needs some work.

Photo of ThisWangsChung
3.38/5  rDev -16.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Brief write-up. The nose doesn't do a good job of expressing detailed Brett notes (instead, it's faintly offensive), but the flavor profile works better. It's vaguely tart at first, with a nicely complex finish. It's a bit sweet, but it's 9.1%. A classic example of a beer that smells better than it tastes.

3.38/5: Lame nose, impressive taste

Photo of oline73
3.5/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from the bottle into a goblet.

Appearance: Pours a cloudy orangish yellow color with just a small layer of head that goes away as quickly as any beer I've ever had.

Smell: Some brett funk up front with some Belgian spice and a slightly tart fruity note.

Taste: This beer has that slightly funky and tart brett flavor right off the bat. There is a component that is a bit perfume like. Some sweet malt with a green apple like fruity tartness.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with tiny, tingly bubbles and a dry finish.

Overall: This is a good beer. I was surprised how fast the head disappeared. The perfume like qualities that show up in some wild ales aren't my favorite.

Photo of rangerred
3.51/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 2.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3.25

Poured into a tulip out of a 22oz bomber.

Pours a clear medium gold with barely some thin wispy traces of a head. Plenty of carbonation with small bubbles rising throughout but all quickly dissipate when they reach the surface. No lacing either.

An average amount of funk in the aroma but not quite to the level that I was expecting. A little bit of grape and oak reminiscent of a Chardonnay along with lemon/lime and some white bread.

The brett is even less pronounced in the flavor, unfortunately. There is more grape skin and oak but it is subdued as well. A bit of tart lemon and lime come through nicely complimenting the tartness from the wild yeast. Mouthfeel is a bit thin which is ok for the style but the finish is not at all crisp and dry like it should be.

Overall, I am a bit disappointed with this beer. I really wish all of the flavors were more forward and less muddled. I was really hoping this was going to be a Brett bomb. An ok beer but really not worth putting tons of effort into seeking out.

Photo of draheim
3.57/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

22oz into a tulip. Pours a crystal-clear pure golden color w/ a 1-finger pure white head.

Aroma is grassy and tart, earthy. Green apples, pale biscuity malt, lemon and spice.

Taste is clean and dry, crisp. A gentle bretty tartness brings a mild citrusy quality. But this beer lacks the distinctive saison funk I expect from the style; it seems like it's trying to be some kind of gateway beer, but ends up feeling kind of like a cross between a saison and a pilsner. There's also a distracting grainy crushed-aspirin taste that I get in some brett saisons.

Mouthfeel is a little light, lacks body. Carbonation is a bit prickly. Lacks the soft mouthfeel I expect from the style.

Overall a decent beer but it lacks the body and complexity that separates the great from the good.

Photo of TheAngryBurrito
3.57/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours a very transparent apple juice color with almost no head. Very fruity (almost apple cider like) flavor, with a mild brett finish. The flavors are all very mild, while I prefer stronger flavors in my beer. Overall I enjoyed drinking this, and would order it on tap, but it is not anywhere close to being the best in this category. Purchased at Valley Beverage Company in Sherman Oaks, CA.

Photo of Santanax
3.58/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Not too bad.... this is an interesting tart beer cant hardly tell there is alcohol untill it rests in the belly for a minute or 2....the flavors come off with mild barrels with alot of acetic/citrus funk rushes of green apple along with some grape residual from the wine barrels... If this was more sour id be a real winner... not bad tho....

Photo of yamar68
3.62/5  rDev -10.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I have a huge amount of respect for Crooked Stave, so I just had to give this one a shot. 2012 vintage:

Bright, clear straw gold with loads of quick consistent beading. A finger of stubborn paper white carbonation retains well, leaving a good amount of lacing behind.

Smells as bright as it looks... sour apples, sweet grains, not quite as pungent as I hoped.

Pale fruit skins and white grapes on the palate. Very light, very approachable... not what I would expect from Crooked Stave but it certainly is palatable. A subtle abstract funk surfaces at the finish, along with a rather wet mouthfeel. I'm excited to see what the brett does with some age on it.

Photo of Daniellobo
3.65/5  rDev -9.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pleasing if a bit mellow bretty Golden Ale.

Presentation: 22 oz brown capped bottle . Paper label with a simple light cream and light green range, with name of the brew and series branding noting Crooked Stave collaboration with an image of the torso of a character wearing a tie and a bike helmet as he gives a thumbs up. Side narrative offers a small note about the special and limited character of the brew. Notes release #1, and 8.8% Alc. by Vol. Served in a tulip glass.

A - Light hazy pale gold pour, fair frothy head and retention, good surface memory and some lacing.

S - Softly bretty and funky, a bit too soft…. citric touches and a faint vinous insinuation.

T - ...which follows in sync in the palate. Good generic brett, light funk tart apples, light vinous note (chardonnay barrels maybe?) which are soft but pleasing… Citric touches with a small grassy sense.

M - Medium to medium-light body and carbonation with a nice crisp sense in the finish and a light dryness.

O - Pleasing and with a nice flow...

Notes: …but nothing that will dent the memory. All kinds of decent for a brett barrel-aged ale and in line with what is expected of that range.

Photo of oberon
3.67/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a large tulip glass a somewhat hazed lighter golden with a thinner than expected white head atop.Alot of tart green apple in the nose,a tinge spice with funk induced brett somewhat subdued wich didn't bother me.Again tart green apples play a big role on the palate with the funkiness being a little more assertive,a decent breadiness holds well thru the finish,the alcohol lends just a little sweet zip.Not bad,it's not as funky as many of the farmhouse brett in fused styles, but it's not overly complex either.

Photo of Floydster
3.71/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

22 ounce bottle

Appearance is a clear golden yellow, small white head, minimal retention, and no lacing

Smell is tangelo, grapefruit, and oranges, a bit of vinegar, straw, Belgian yeast, and strawberries

Taste is very similar to the aroma, brettanomyces and other wild yeast up front with sharp sourness for a saison, sweetens up as it warms, too boozy in the finish towards the end, was much better at its coldest with the first few sips

Mouthfeel is prickly with lots of carbonation, very thin but I think that helps lighten it up because it is borderline boozy once it warms, not much body

Overall was a nice and complex saison with nice citrus notes, a hint of berries, and some straw, it would have been a lot more enjoyable had it been a few percent lower in alcohol

Photo of desertcom1
3.75/5  rDev -6.9%

I purchased this right from the Epic brewery in Salt Lake City on 11-23-14. This was labeled as release #5, 8.9% ABV.
It poured a very light straw color with low carbonation and a medium to low foam head. The taste reminded me of a tart fruity, cidery, yeasty, musty wine. The carbonation seemed to be a little flat. I noticed some of the previous raters mentioned high carbonation, perhaps I got a flat batch or Epic revised its carbonation methods.

Photo of wrycon
3.78/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

A pretty golden pale straw. Smells deeply of fruit - golden apple and pear. A lot of funk and some hints of Chardonnay. Crisp to start with an acidic tang. The mid is a plump socket of sweet pear. The golden ale makes itself known in the back third, rounding the brew into a highly drinkable package. Mouthfeel is a bit thicker than expected, though not overly so. Good collab.

Like It? Yes, Indeed

Photo of cvm4
3.78/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A - Light golden in color, there are a few particles floating around in it. Billowing eggshell head.

S - Some tartness, brett funk and belgian IPA notes.

T - Sweet malt at first with some saison spice qualities and ending with a lemon tartness.

M - Light body, effervescent. Finishes wet.

O - It's a unique beer. It straddles the line between a saison and brett beer, obviously. Nothing just stuck out as mind blowing or awesome though. It's in line with what is expected from the style.

Photo of cocojoe
3.79/5  rDev -6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

This bottle is release #2, which clocks in at 9.5% ABV

A: Very clear, light golden color. Very little head.

S: Definite white wine character, green grapes, lemon citrus, bananas, a little funk and tart.

T: The front is very smoothe and sweet, the middle brings in the tart funk with zesty lemons and chardonnay, finishes, semi dry with some grainy notes. Alcohol is fairly well covered, but you can clearly feel its warmth.

M: Light, and clean

O: Not as tart as I was expecting it to be. The aroma gives notes of that tart quality, but the flavor is much more smoothe and cider like. I enjoyed this beer, just not what I thought it was going to be.

Photo of corby112
3.79/5  rDev -6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Release #3, SLC #1189

Pours a clear, pale golden orange color with yellowish-gold hues and a two finger, pillowy white head that very slowly settles into a thick, lasting ring. Excellent retention with streaks of soapy lacing coating the glass on the way down. A bit lighter/paler than expected but otherwise looks very inticing.

Musty aroma with a strong funky brett presence that nicely complimented by earthy farmhouse yeast, peppery spice, ester-y light fruit and boozy sweetness. Smells surprisingly similar to Orval but a little less funky and with a delicate vinous wine barrel character. There's a touch of damp oak along with sweet vinous fruit, especially grape, cider and pear. Some peppery spice along with bread, wild bugs and pale biscuit-like malt. The nose of this beer is very inviting with a great balance of wine barrel, farmhouse funk and wild yeast.

On the fuller end of medium body with soft carbonation and a prominent wine barrel presence that slightly overwhelms the saison flavors. Along with the barrel notes, there's a delicate brett character that compliments the funky farmhouse yeast. The brett/wild yeast isn't as strong as the nose suggests which is kind of a disappointment because it was so pleasant in the aroma. The barrel flavors are pleasant with some dry, charred oak and sweet vinous fruit but the saison/farmhouse notes are somewhat buried and the brett character is minimal. Lots of vinous and light fruit sweetness with light grape, apple, pear and banana. There's a touch of bubblegum and some boozy sweetness in the finish but the high ABV is decently masked. Pretty easy to drink but a bit one dimensional and lacking in complexity. This was a promising collaboration but the barrel notes are too strong for my liking, overpowering the brettanomyces strains and farmhouse funk.

Photo of Sammy
3.8/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Big brett aroma, saison brett. Odd spider lacing. Funk aroma, a sour edge. Yellow bodied. Boozy smell in the finish, bigger than the listed abv. A pleasant drinkable sourness.
Bottle from recent US trip.A recommended try for funk and saison fans. A good and unique Brett.

Photo of cbutova
3.8/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

A- Bomber split for a tasting pours with a slightly hazy golden body. A white head builds to over one finger with a frothy consistency and pretty good retention. Medium ring leaves a huge sheet at first with spots and drizzle.

S- Quite Brett ridden here with a funky fruity mix bringing notes of barnyard, must, big vinous fruits from the barrels, white grapes, yeast spice and straw.

T- Wine really breaks out to the forefront here with semi sweet white grapes and apple coming to mind. Musty barnyard, straw and cherry pits round it out with a Belgian yeast spice and slight oak. A lot of wine, very distinct.

MF- Medium bodied with a texture between creamy and foamy, smooth. Carbonation is pretty high with a vinous tart finish. Bitterness grips the palate somehow seems dry and sweet at the same time.

Wine really shows up massive with time and grapes dominate with a nice Brett Saison character underneath. I like parts of this but I think having more than half of the bomber would be fatiguing due to the wine domination. This was a fairly tough beer to rate for me, at times I loved it and at times I thought there was flavor clashing. Would I have it again, most likely.

Photo of timtim
3.8/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

hazy burnt gold with a white head that fades quickly and doesn't leave lace. nose is chardonnay, brett, sweat, lemons, pears, melons and a hint of mineral. taste follows suit with a nice white peppery brett character and an almost salty mineral character mingling with citrus, white wine notes and melon. tasty, but lacking a bit in the middle. dries out in the end nicely. medium body with a hint of prickle, and no alcohol presence. the competition is getting thick in the wild, wine-barrel aged world. this one is fine and tasty, yet doesn't quite stand up to some of the truly epic brews out there. i'm not complaining though. love to see more breweries try this kind of stuff.

Photo of FosterJM
3.83/5  rDev -5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

1470th Review on BA
Bottle to Wine Glass
22oz

Batch 1
Purchased for 12.99 at Lone Hill Liquor

App- Its a golden color with a deeper orangy/yellow center. On both 1st pour and second pour the head was slightly off white with only about 1". Semi dotted cling.

Smell- The beer opens with a small Brett aroma and ive only had 1 from each Epic and Crooked Stave but smelled like both their in house strains with a soft funk, hay, grassy aroma.

Taste- I wasnt expecting the base beer to come in so heavily. The base reminds me a lot of Pranqster and just touches of Brett come in with soft flavors and only snippets of funk and grassy hay. A bit of what I will call Pear and Green Apple mixed come in last.

Mouth- A fuller medium body and a medium-low carbonation. A certain fullness all around. Residual Brett, funk and slight pear/apples.

Drink- I felt it was a good beer. Nice collaboration but certainly not a $12.99 beer. A straightforward golden w/o a lot of nuances.

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Elder Brett: Saison-Brett Golden Ale from Epic Brewing Company
90 out of 100 based on 363 ratings.