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Ichtegem's Grand Cru - Brouwerij Strubbe

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Ichtegem's Grand CruIchtegem's Grand Cru

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Reviews: 245
Hads: 525
rAvg: 3.71
pDev: 11.59%
Wants: 25
Gots: 43 | FT: 0
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Belgium

Style | ABV
Flanders Oud Bruin |  6.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Photo of TheRealBigC
3.71/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On tap at 775 Gastropub

Color is opaque brown. Solid head & lacing.

Smell not very strong, but there is a bit of cherry there.

Tastes of sour cherry with some oak on the back. It's quite tart, with medium carbonation, but it's rich in flavor and feels pretty smooth.

Overall, this is a neat beer and my first in this style. I'm definitely interested in trying more. (369 characters)

Photo of bceagles39
4.07/5  rDev +9.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On draft at Gastropub 775 in Reno, NV on July 26 2011.

Beer poured a light chestnut brown. It had a tan head with good lacing.

It smelled of sour cherries.

As one would expect, the first sip was bracingly acidic, sour and quenching.

The carbonation and beer were harsh on the tongue. The beer was very very smooth, likely due to the aging. No fake vanilla notes or anything like that.

Drinks like a Flemish Red with no lack of delicious, funky, Belgian action. (465 characters)

Photo of aasher
3.08/5  rDev -17%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

This beer pours a red heavy amber in color, between light and medium in body with a white lacing around the glass. It smells of lightly sour milk and of a stale amber ale. It's really, really subtle for the style and doesn't offer very much. It tastes of a sweet and soured malt. There isn't much complexity, isn't any vinegar, but it does have a light Miracle Whip component. It drinks light and is equally between sweet and an actual sour. It's mediocre all around. I expected more from a Grand Cru, despite the ratings. (522 characters)

Photo of Cavery
2.73/5  rDev -26.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

small bottle shared with SundaySour on a Saturday session

Poured into Duchesse de Bourgogne glass.

A: The beer pours a modest 1/2-1 finger head with fairly rapid dissipation. Fine sticky lacing sits atop a deep dark mass of maple syrup that's been kept too cold. Faint reds of manzanita, over ripe raspberries, and deep dark cherries appear in indirect light.

S: A strange mellow smell that I can only describe as water chestnut. The oakyness seems to dominate lesser notes of bread and blackberries. A somewhat difficult nose, that may qualify as being a bit too monotone. Some dust lingers in the background. A late note of wood mellowed soy sauce makes a modest cameo.

T: Very dry bitter wood chips. A sort of powdery acidity lingers in the mouth like a low-grade battery acid. A strange almost chemical bitterness dominates any fruit. if there was any fruit sweetness in here, it's been swallowed by strong oak. An awkward aftertaste of coconut that seems accidental. This really just drinks like overly rustic bread, hard tack even.

M: a medium body for the style, the carbonation is more of a sigh than a breath; there's not much to note. It's fought quite heavily by the acidic invasion of wood. It ends fairly dry that prevents any sensation of flatness.

O: This was a bit of an awkward one, I think the oak was either far too young, or the beer itself is too young. It's quite different in many ways, but the acidity is really the most dominant aspect of the flavor. Unfortunately this one drinks more like medicine than it does beer; and makes you feel like the small bottle is more than enough. (1,613 characters)

Photo of SundaySour
3.03/5  rDev -18.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Shared with Cavery.

A: The lacing makes a crazy horror story spiderweb along the sides of the glass. The color is a murky brown-reddish, and sort of looks like a fishbowl for sea monsters.

S: True to the style, I get a big whiff of cherry pie, or those cherries you cook with booze until they flame up. I also get a little whiffers of almond. The smell is actually not very powerful; I found myself sniffing until I felt a little light-headed. Then, I gave up.

T: Not nearly as tart as some other Flanders Red Ales I've had, and therefore, sort of a bummer. Light and bread-y, like sourdough with like...some cherry jam on top. Like the smell, I keep smacking my mouth to get some flavor flav. Nope.

M: Lightly fizzy with a weird, bread crust aftertaste.

O: In the tearful words of Tyra Banks "I was rooting for you!" I really did want to enjoy this, but the light, funky flavor had me feeling ripped off. It's not an "offensive" beer, it just doesn't blow me off my swivel chair. (987 characters)

Photo of baakabak
3.85/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a nice transparent brown with a sliver of fast settling, white head.

Scent i get is a little leathery, with good ripe cherry. Little vinegar, caramel.

Taste follows suit. Nice sour/vinegar cherry bite up front that's followed up with some caramel and toffee. A touch metallic.

Tight and effervescent in the mouth. Very nicely carbonated.

All in all a nice drinking, lighter alternative to some of the heavy hitting sours. Won't blow your mind but shouldn't disappoint either. (489 characters)

Photo of OldIronLungs
3.41/5  rDev -8.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a Goose Island stemmed glass a deep mahogany/red with a finger of lightly laced head.

Lightly tart nose, cherries, apple vinegar, red wine?

A sip is sweeter cherry/grape to start, then turns to a sour vinegar, slightly grassy. Medium to lighter body with nice carbonation.

Pretty solid, nothing jumping out at me. Good level of sourness, though a little vegative mid sip. (386 characters)

Photo of juhl31
3.38/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

-the color is a cloudy, deep brown with a reddish accent. a light tan head rises nicely during the pour and then settles out to a thin sheet

-there is definitely a vinegary smell to it, like a balsamic. there is a hint sour smell as well. a bit of a malt sniff in the back as well

-on the front of the sip there is sourness on the front of the tongue with the vinegar taste lingering in the back of the tongue. that taste melts into a fruity, sweet tart style candy taste (aka an artificial candy fruit taste). the finish leaves a weird, kind of rooty taste in my mouth. plus points for a nice transformation of flavors, neg. points for the finish

-there is a sharp carb bite which is weird because it also feels a bit flat somehow. it leaves kind of a burny back of the throat as well

-not necessarily a big fan of this beer. with that being said, the front end taste of the beer i didn't mind. glad i tried it, but that's probably it (940 characters)

Photo of TheManiacalOne
3.97/5  rDev +7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12oz bottle into a tulip glass.

A: The beer is a deep dark reddish brown color, with a short off-white head that fades quickly and leaves a thin lace on the glass.

S: The aroma contains tart fruit, Belgian yeast, brown sugar and caramelized malts.

T: The taste starts out with a mild burst of tart fruits like cherries & grapes. The sourness is not as intense as some other beers in the style. Then a hearty but not too heavy malt character comes in along with some mild caramel and brown sugar sweetness. There’s Belgian yeast in the background as well a faint but complementary hops presence. The after-taste is slightly sour.

M: Crisp and smooth, medium body, medium carbonation, finish is clean.

O: Tasty, goes down easily, not too filling, decent kick, good representation of style, it’s a solid beer to drink for a while if you’re in the mood for a sour beer that isn’t too sour. (912 characters)

Photo of yeahnatenelson
1.62/5  rDev -56.3%
look: 3 | smell: 1 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Flanders Red on sale for $3, what can I lose?

Appearance -- Pours like...Cherry 7-up? Rust-colored in the glass with a slim sudsy beige head and wide bands of lace. it kind of looks like what would happen if you poured every kind of soft drink into your cup at a fast food joint. Aside from the hideous hue, really not bad.

Smell -- Strange. Candi sugar, rotten berries, red wine vinegar, canned tuna. Very sweet-smelling as if artificially sweetened (note: bottle label does not mention any sweeteners in its ingredients list). Instead of being vibrantly sour in the nose, it's just lactic enough to suggest rotting fruit.

Taste -- Woof. Candi sugar, lemon-lime soda, rotten cherries, wet cardboard, faint metallic flavor. Aside from some slight graininess, really no solid malt character to be had. What little sour character is there only serves to make the beer taste stranger

Mouthfeel -- Thin-bodied with ample bubbly carbonation. Too thin, which I will attribute to the rice addition. Who thought that was a good idea??? Also, the carbonation feels a little cheap

Overall -- I struggled to finish the glass. A menagerie of strange off-flavors with only a shadow of Flanders Red character. I was hoping for a cost-effective Flanders fix, but this ain't it. I'm glad I tried it only because I'm a big fan of the style. If you're considering tying your first Flanders Red, DO NOT start here! (1,400 characters)

Photo of LittleDon
3.7/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A 12 oz pour served in a tulip at the Blue Monk in Buffalo, NY 5/25/11.

A very sessionable Flanders Red. Not over the top like many I've had, but scaled back with enough to be typical of the style. Brown red and opaque, no head retention or lace. Sour fruit aroma and start. Not nearly as sour as many Flanders Reds I've had but still with the tartness and fermented apples taste reminiscent of the style. Very little bitterness in the finish. Light body and medium-high carbonation. (485 characters)

Photo of zaphodchak
4.42/5  rDev +19.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Cloudy ruddy amber body, small, but fluffy off-white head. Laces quite well.

Vinous nose, with (mysteriously) seafood.

Taste is tart and magnificently balanced, sweetness to balance it out but not enough to cloy. Very faintly vegetal, possible beet.

Mouthfeel is nice, but not outstanding or unique in any way.

Quite a nice example of a Flemish sour... didn't know that aged sours existed, but this one is quite worthwhile, though there's no oak in the taste. (463 characters)

Photo of ILessThan3Brett
4.03/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

This is a very difficult beer to review because I feel it differs an unusual amount from bottle to bottle. I've had about 8 or 10 of these over the past year, usually in a Rodenbach or Liefmans flute, and I feel that roughly half the time, the stuff that comes out of the bottle is definitely one of the best sour beers available. No observable pattern in bottle age or batch as to which bottles turn out great and which merely okay. I'm reviewing "the great half" and "the okay half" separately.

About half the time, I've gotten a superb beer with nicely balanced sweetness and tartness, predominantly vanilla flavors with a background of stone fruit, and maybe just a touch too much astringency. I think the most similar beer I've tried to this one is Jolly Pumpkin's La Roja, though I'm not sure I remember La Roja well enough to be confident about that comparison. I'd be tempted to give this verson of Ichtegem's Grand Cru a perfect rating.

The other half of the time, I've gotten something by no means awful, but certainly a bit odd, with the usual flaw being excessive sweetness accompanied by a bit more leather and astringency than usual. Leather undertones can be great in the right beer, but they clash with the sweetness here. On one occasion I got something a bit medicinal and acetone-like.

I do have a theory about the reason for the inconsistency and would love to have it confirmed or denied. I think that the beer as it is intended has pretty high diacetyl content, which comes off as contributing a vanilla-ish taste to this beer. However, diacetyls are unstable and can degrade (and then react with other beer components, degrading them in turn) if not treated gently. I think it's possible that this beer is just fragile and needs especially careful treatment to show its best. I know that it can also difficult to control diacetyl remetabolization (aka "diacetyl rest"). This must be especially difficult with a barrel-aged, bottle-conditioned ale like this one, so that could also be what's happening here.

EDIT: The distributors confirmed that this beer and Strubbe's Flemish Red Ale Grand Cru ( http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2299/28420 ) are identical beers despite having different labels. (2,226 characters)

Photo of feloniousmonk
3.95/5  rDev +6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Ichtegems Grand Cru, Flemish Red Ale, matured in oak barrels, "oud bruin gerijpt in eiken vaten", 6.5% a.b.v., Brouwerij Strubbe, Ichtegem, Belgium.

I know next to nothing about this beer, except maybe that I've heard of it, and that now I'm going to drink one. So, here goes.

Perfectly plummy appearance, opaque, slightly clear at the bottom. Slim beige head rests atop.

Aroma: sour, fruity, & soft. Cherries abound, with a touch of raspberry, blackberry.
Sweetness is here, matched by tart. Caramel tones, vanilla notes, a pleasant complexity.

Taste: sweetness and sour, cherry and plum, caramel malt and oak edges all come together in the mouth, the promise of the nose fulfilled. Fresh and invigorating flavor, though mild and mellow in the whole. Beautifully textured, full bodied, many-layered marriage of sweet and sour.

One thing is for certain is that it's not a tongue slayer, nor a palate ripper, I's not going to punish with puckering. Perhaps "Flemish Red" on the front and "our bruin" on the back is a trifle misleading. If anyone's expecting Rodenbach or Jacobins, they'll be very disappointed. I've met some already who are…but not this guy. (1,167 characters)

Photo of Rassputtin
3.59/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours transparent amber with average head that settles rather quickly. Only a light film remains around the edges.

I smell a woody sourness that makes me expect a tartness on my tongue. It smells.... Simple but not necessarily to a fault.

It seems to start bitter then settles into sour fruitiness. I initially think the flavor is lacking however as it lingers in my mouth I consider the feel on my tongue and initial bitter and think I want another sip.

The preceding sips are the same. It is not my favorite Flemish red, but it is a good beer. Definitely worth trying. (575 characters)

Photo of rarbring
4.08/5  rDev +10%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Cuvée 2007. Slightly hazy red/brown/copper, a light high tan head, settles rather quickly leaving good lacing. Some curtains.

The smell is fresh and sour, sour creme, red fruits and some wood.

The taste starts sweet, fructose, then dried fruits, raisins, apples and raspberries, a touch of sour rhubarbs, some yeast and leather.

Little carbonation, a soft texture, a medium body, smooth and not dry.

A good, clean, solid, honest, original beer. Smooth temptation. Exquisite with cheese. (491 characters)

Photo of UCLABrewN84
3.7/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a deep reddish brown color with a small 1/2 inch light brown head that fades to a film. Small amounts of random lace on the glass on the drink down. Smells of red wine vinegar, sour berries, and funk/must. Taste is somewhat sweeter than I was expecting. Grape juice, slight vinegar, unripe berries are the tastes I am getting from this beer. Better than average carbonation but it feels a bit lacking. Overall, a good beer but nothing I would seek out again. (464 characters)

Photo of TheSupremeAJ
4.28/5  rDev +15.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

6.5%ABV from a bottle.

A- Bright red body and white head... thick and fluffy to a thin layer. Leaves adequate lacing. When opening the bottle, a nice "pffft" sound.

S- Sour, funky melange of fruit.

T- Nice and sour... clear Brett and Lactose usage, mild caramel backbone to remind me that this is beer and not fruit cider. My wife enjoyed this beer and asked me if it was lambic (and she is usually a Lindeman's Framboise drinker.)

M- Strong carbonation, nice sourness, it could however use a tad bit more body and flavor aside from the Brett and Lactose notes.

O- Very good and reasonably priced all considering... 4.50 for the ~12? oz bottle.

Serving type: bottle (671 characters)

Photo of SkeeterHawk
3.83/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I picked this beer at Hop City while I was in Atlanta and am just getting a chance to review it properly. Here we go.

Appearance: Pours a deep garnet color that is pretty clear, but is made more difficult to see through because of the vortex of bubbles rising up the center of the Duvel tulip it is sitting in. There was a solid 1/2" of tan foam after a very slow pour and a solid minutes afterward, there was really no change in it. There is already a little lacing on the glass after the beer has just been swirled a bit, so far this is a pretty nice looking Flanders. There is some pretty solid lacing left on the glass after drinking some of the beer.

Aroma: I initially got a more malt balanced than funk balanced aroma, but there were definitely some cherry aromatics to be found. There is a little bit of toffee to the malt which is nice. As the beer warms up some, the aroma is actually getting cleaner and favoring the sweet malts more than the wild character. I personally find that a bit disappointing, but others may not because the malt character is well crafted in this beer.

Taste: The flavor is quite mild for this style, but still a nice blend of the required elements. Malt is the main component, but there are cherries and sweet dark malts in there all to compliment one another. The wood notes are implied, but there really isn't any of the dryness that you may get with wood aging, so I guess this is a blend with fresh beer as the Flanders notes are strong enough to be noticeable, but the other supporting flavors are muted such that they get lost a little bit. The carbonation is ample and make the beer quite pleasant to drink. The body is medium to light and goes down really easily.

Opinion: This is a good beer, no doubt. Well crafted. It is bit light for my taste, but I really like Rodenbach...which has me jaded a bit. This isn't as much of an "entry beer" as others in this category, but it is a bit muted in the delivery for my taste. If you are going to go for it, knock me out. Otherwise, strive to be the Duchesse. (2,054 characters)

Photo of Mosley1212
3.77/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from the bottle into my DFH Snifter.

A--Dark red, almost ruby-like with a humongous head. The head died down to about a 1/2" and stayed through the whole drink.

S--Sour cherries, green apple, and Belgian yeast. It's a very complex, delicious smell.

T--Get a lot of yeast up front. The beer is very sour, though not the most sour beer I have ever had. The finish is of sweet cherry flavor with a bit of plum or other dark fruit taste.

M--Tart taste leaves the lips puckering. Heavy carbonation in the beer feels like miniature scrubbers on the tongue. It is a refreshing taste, but there is a slight bitter aftertaste that is unappealing.

O--It's a good representation of the style. It would be a good gateway beer into sours I believe. Not the best, but certainly not the worst. (794 characters)

Photo of Knapp85
2.44/5  rDev -34.2%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

This brew was like a mix of sour cherries and apple cider vinegar. It was really tart and strong. This isn't something I'd ever drink an entire bottle of. I just can't get passed how sour it was. I love the red color that this brew has. Theres not much head at all. The mouthfeel is light and watery. I'm just not into the flavors this one has to offer. (353 characters)

Photo of Offa
4.5/5  rDev +21.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Deep red, big tan head steadily shrinking to a lasting, rocky head and a little lace.

Aroma is sweet-sour fruit, wood, cherry, vinegar, yeast.

Taste is acidic, yeasty, with a lot of woody sweet-sour fruits, light woody-peppery bitterness at finish, hints of vinegar and metal. It's wonderful, engaging, and very drinkable. (325 characters)

Photo of musicforairports
3.45/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours brown, with some ruby. Head gone pretty quick, minor lacing.

Smells of cherries and other fruits, some sweetness and tartness beneath, no real sourness.

Taste is sweet in a non-cloying way, rich with overripe cherries and other berries. A bit tart.

Mouthfeel is a bit thick and syrupy given the complexity of the sweet fruit flavors here.

This one is easy enough to drink, but it lacks that fantastic sour-like nose, and the flavor is thick, rich and sweet and opposed to more crisp and sour. (502 characters)

Photo of alkchrios
4.05/5  rDev +9.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

This beer was suggested to my by a reliable source due to my new found love for monks cafe flemish red.. I must say although I do enjoy the Ichtegem, the flanders still sticks out as one of the best sours ive ever had...although im not the most knowledgeable when it comes to sours.
A- Dark copper, almost a deep purple hue, mostly transparent with little to no head
S- wine, cherries, sugar
T-I get a nice cider taste, there are no earthy notes to this brew at all..just a lot of sweet tones with citrus and tartness.
M- Very crisp and clean..coats the entire pallet but not over bearing.
D- This is a great beer summer beer...very refreshing..not hard on the wallet at all and just an overall good beer!

Cheers (715 characters)

Photo of Homebrew35
3.78/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a bubbly 2 finger head of tan/reddish head. Body is a murky dark red. Smells of balsamic vinegar, pickles, white vinegar, touch of alcohol. Tastes sweet and malty, pickle vinegar, tart fruit(cherries, raspberries). Medium dry finish, medium/full bodied, medium/high carbonation. Quite nice overall. I'd like to have a bit more complexities in the taste and maybe a bit more in the smell too. Well balanced and I think I'd easily pick this up again at $3.50 a 11.2oz bottle (478 characters)

Ichtegem's Grand Cru from Brouwerij Strubbe
84 out of 100 based on 245 ratings.