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Saison Vieille Artisanal - Crooked Stave Brewery & Taproom

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89
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180 Ratings
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Ratings: 180
Reviews: 37
rAvg: 4
pDev: 8.5%
Wants: 21
Gots: 36 | FT: 1
Brewed by:
Crooked Stave Brewery & Taproom visit their website
Colorado, United States

Style | ABV
Saison / Farmhouse Ale |  4.20% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: Mebuzzard on 12-22-2012

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.
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Ratings: 180 | Reviews: 37
Photo of kjyost
4.8/5  rDev +20%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.75

Hazy and full of Brett delicious.

Photo of TheDoctor
3.96/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

A:
Pours a hazy straw with a finger or so of creamy off-white head that settles rather quickly to a film. Good retention; intricate, slippery lacing.

S:
Spicy and earthy. Lemon grass, white pepper, oak, bubblegum, barnyard.

T:
Tart, fresh, dry. Really tart up front with some earthy hop flavors and a funky dry finish. Straightforward and good.

M:
Really dry and medium bodied with a lingering feel and a dry finish.

O:
Pretty interesting saison.
This is a tasty and somewhat tart beer that uses barrel aging to make an already dry, quenching beer even more dry and quenching. Pours nice and smells/tastes nice. All-in-all I enjoyed it. I definitely like the slight Brett presence. I am ordinarily not a fan, but this one is subtle enough that I feel like I could maybe try something more in-your-face.
Would probably have again; worth trying if you're around CO.

Photo of CowsandBeer
3.87/5  rDev -3.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Bottle picked up from Hyvee. I’m really excited to try it as I really enjoyed Hop Savant. Reviewed from notes.

Appearance: Poured into a Tallgrass Brewing Co. cervoise style glass the beer produces about a finger of thin, fizzy white head. Almost looked like a Berliner Weisse at first. Nice lacing and eventually a cap remained. Cloudy, honey colored body. I definitely expected more in the way of head from a saison style.

Smell: Ripe citrus fruit, some floral hops, and a big barnyard funk. Some damp oak if you look for it.

Taste: Tart citrus fruit, lemon juice, musty brett, a bit of pepper, dusty barrel, and toasted malts. A bit more sour than I expected.

Mouthfeel: Thin mouthfeel with a high carbonation. Effervescent. Drying. Refreshing.

Overall: A saison with nice citrus and barnyard notes. Ideal for summer since it has such a thin mouthfeel. Decent, but I expected more in terms of head retention, taste, and mouthfeel. Given the high price I'd say wait to try it at a tasting before picking up a bottle. Went really well with an herb goat cheese.

Photo of Stevedore
3.79/5  rDev -5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

375ml bottle from the recent 2013 bottling, courtesy of FleetwoodMatt. Thanks! Poured into a Hill Farmstead stemmed glass today, 12/4/2013.

Looks a lot like Surette did- a clear, almost slightly hazy straw body with an awesome 1cm white head that is effervescent with good retention. Some lacing persists. Again looks like a refreshing delicious saison, but not so unique to set itself apart from others in the style.

Smells sort of fruity but not particularly funky. It's more of a zesty lemony beer with some oak in the back. Less of the funk than Surette. There is some musty funk, but again there isn't a lot of it.

Follows the nose. Not particularly complex or interesting but it is what it advertises it to be. Some oak, some funk, some lemon zest but altogether not particularly intense in any one component. The brett does provide a nice crisp feel to it.

Thinner bodied, very refreshing and dry. Carbonation is a bit lighter than I'd like it to be, but sufficient for a saison.

This was good, but not as interesting as the Surette that we opened the same night. But its a saison that is better than most saisons I can find in Wisconsin. I wish CS would start distributing here..

Photo of fmccormi
4.03/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Easy-ish pour on the side from a 12.7oz/375ml pry-off bottle to an oversized wineglass (Tired Hands stemware, for what it’s worth); not sure how old it is, but this is apparently Batch 4, from 2013. So, not particularly old.

Appearance (4.25): Just about two fingers of kinda fat-bubbled foam comes off of the pour, capping a pale golden body, a deep straw color maybe, with just the slightest haze. The head is sticky, leaving some fluffy patches on the surface that climb up the side of the glass, leaving some wide, spacy collars of lace.

Smell (4.25): Nice, tart, acidic nose with a lactic snap, dusty straw, lemon flesh, strong mineral aromas (think pinot grigio), tart apples, dried flowers and herbs (think botanicals, like sage and lavender, but not as citrusy or spicy as those). There’s more biscuit and dusty, slightly spicy (classic saison) tone as it warms.

Taste (3.75): Right on from the nose: acidic lemon flesh, tart apples, vinous mineral tones, some herbal, floral bitterness, and on the back-end it opens into a sharp lactic snap that carries through to the finish, transforming the acidic fruit character into an herbal hoppiness. Very subtle pear and apple tones underneath, but it’s overshadowed by the lactic acidity and tart apple tones. This is really tart, actually—whatever saison base there is in this beer has been really transformed by the bacteria. Although, it trends more saison as it warms, just like in the nose, giving more common crackers and dusty woodiness in the body before the acid washes everything out in the finish.

Mouthfeel (4.5): Spritzy with a bright carbonation, but soft—light and bubbly, slightly prickly and with a modest tingle, foaming nicely but not thickly. The body is light and quite dry but not parching, in spite of the acid presence and very light body. So easy to drink, if you can dig the sour.

Overall (4.0): Saison? Not quite. “Sour ale”? Not quite. Light, sour, blonde, Belgian-style ale? Absolutely. It’s very spritzy and tart, light, and dry, but beyond some dry common crackers, dusty wood, and a very light spice, it’s not very saison-like at all—though it does trend more toward the saison profile as it warms, even if it never loses that lactic snap. This is an interesting, if not wholly original, interpretation of the funky, “antique” saison style, but you can tell that Crooked Stave really nailed what they were going for with this beer. Another great beer from CS—now let’s see them lower the pricing just a little bit!

Photo of MadScientist
4.45/5  rDev +11.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

A: A slightly hazy golden beer with a rocky white head. There head has a good retention and settles to a thin cap after a minute.

S: An awesome smelling Saison. A medium aroma of earth hops, oak and a barnyard Brett aroma with moderate spice. There is some citrus peel as well.

T: A dry, citrus flavor with a light Brett tartness. The oak is in there at a medium-low level. Very little malt and medium-strong hops bitterness giving a balance that is moderately bitter. There is a moderate black pepper spice to the beer. The finish is bone dry with an aftertaste of hops bitterness, some citrus and a little spice.

M: A moderately-light bodied beer with a strong level of carbonation.

O: An very good Saison with a lot of juicy grapefruit flavor, a firm bitterness and quiet dry.

Photo of Luk13
4.42/5  rDev +10.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Batch 1, thanks to Shawdeuce. Very aroma reminiscent of the best gueuze. One of the best american sours to reproduce the baryard feeling: horse blanket, dust, wood, earth.

Taste is slightly tart (far from a gueuze) with a strong cereal presence. Carbonation and alcool is low, this one is extraordinairely drinkable. 375ml is definitly too small for this lawnmoer beer.

Another hit from this very promising brewery.

Photo of magictacosinus
3.52/5  rDev -12%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

Tried this at the flight for Crooked Stave beers at Trappist Provisions. Poured out of a 375ml bottle into a wine tulip glass. Review is from my notes.

Pours an amber sunrise cloudy color with a nearly bone-white head that is slightly frothy in character. Bubbles are popping all over this at the top, almost to the point where I can imagine wild bacteria scrounging around and swimming in my beer. Other than that, carbonation is quite excellently balanced, in the same realm of other world-class saisons. Lacing is good, and the residue left behind is pretty rustic and pleasing. Very intriguing looking stuff.

The aroma is totally nuts, however. In the same realm of beers from Fantôme, this has got to be one of the most rustic, funky, pungent saisons I've ever whiffed on. Notes of cheese rind, brown grass, smoked lemons, seaweed, musty oranges, moist straw, toasted white oak, and granite immediately fill my nostrils, to the point where I simultaneously love and kind of hate this thing. There are no immediate flavors here that resemble beer ingredients other than the toasted dried malts and slightly skunky grassy hops. I'm definitely giving it high marks for being unlike anything I've had but I'm yet to try it.

Right at the first sip, the palate is immediately coated with a combination of dried oaky notes, toasted dried malts melded with peat moss, and slightly dried brown grassy flavors. This, in a way, resembles the ill-fated bottle of Fantôme Printemps that I had a while back, but it is far less bizarre and definitely more drinkable. Nevertheless, the toasted malt/peat flavor does get a bit grating to me, and as it warms up, it gets substantially smokier. The aftertaste is very tobacco-y, and while I tend to enjoy that, the smokiness is a bit too much, and the notes of algae and dandelions that creep in get a bit too vegetal and oppressive. Not necessarily refreshing, but this drinks quite well. Bready, yeasty, and slightly creamy from the oak. Definitely a well made beer, but the flavor profile is rustic to the point of being a bit challenging.

I admit that peat/smoked malt combos are not my favorite thing. The oak is a major factor that makes this a deal-breaker from other beers of its kind, as are the grassy hops used in the recipe. It's astonishing that more breweries in this country are replicating recipes that are hundreds of years old from Old World beers so well, and Crooked Stave is at the forefront of that movement. Still, this was my least favorite in the flight, and I wouldn't revisit it any time soon.

Photo of popery
4.1/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Pours pale golden yellow and cloudy. Medium small head, white. Little lacing and not much retention. It definitely shows off the barrel/sour angle. The aroma is underripe stone fruit, lemons, apples, mild funk and pale grain. Lots of stuff going on for a 4.2% abv beer. There's a touch of vinegar and lacto yogurt - you can definitely smell the sour in this beer. Very good brett flavors knocking around with the stone fruit and funk. The taste is lightly tart with more of the same flavors in the aroma. Nice balance of sour and brett funk. It's a bit simple on the palate. Some of the fruit seems a bit washed out, but the grain is light and fresh. Probably tends a bit more towards the lacto yogurt side of sourness. Very clean flavor with a solid lightly bitter oak note. Medium tannic from the wood. No idea what kind of barrel was used, but I like it. Not picking up much from the dry hopping, maybe some herbal flavor. Dry finish with more oak and underripe stone fruit. Mouthfeel is a bit smoother than expected. Carbonation is somewhat low, which is not a complaint. Otherwise, it's light on the palate with a little pucker. Good stuff. I love small, subtle saisons and sours, so this is right up my alley. If the flavor didn't wash out a touch in the taste, I'd have nothing to really criticize. Very solid "regular" lineup beer.

Photo of Seanniek91
4.24/5  rDev +6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Served from a 375ml bottle into Crooked Stave tulip.

Appearance- Hazy yellow gold with bubbly white head that didn't last long, but left nice lacing.

Smell- Spicy yeast, black pepper, lemon rind, and something like pee.

Taste- Quick brett tartness, musty/rustic yeast, lemon and grapefruit rind. Very nice.

Mouthfeel- Very refreshing and mildly tart. Thirst quenching. Medium carbonation.

Overall- Great saison with nice rustic tartness.

Photo of Billolick
3.93/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle from a trade with Mitch in Colo.

Pours hazed lighter yellowy amber, loose darker eggshell head, leaves some rather minor but thicker stickage.

Semi-tart lemon infused nose, with some earthyness and chilled butter also in the mix.

Refreshing and lemony brew. Slight sour note adding to the complexity. I also get some light pepper, some musty earth character, and a dry leafy hop finish. Hell yeah, more tasty and finely crafted beer from CS. The more I try these beers the more I like em. Gonna need to set up another trade with good ole Mitch....

Photo of DavoleBomb
3.22/5  rDev -19.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 2.75

Poured into a tulip.

3.75 A: Mildly hazed peach color. Two fingers of frothy white head. Retention is about average and about one finger of irregular lacing is left.

4.25 S: Big, bold nose on this. Really funky with all the barnyard aromas. Also musty basement, dry dusty wood, and some herbal notes. Lemongrass and apple. Dry with a grassy floweriness. Oak.

2.75 T: The taste isn't nearly as good as the nose. First off, there's a fairly strong tannic presence. Second, it's much less funky and more tangy and tart. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it doesn't work that well in this one. Tart apple, oak, sharp tanginess. There's still some of the funk mentioned above, but not a whole lot. Woody with astringency.

3.25 M: Lighter body. Good moderate carbonation. Lightly spritzy. Astringent finish.

2.75 D: This would have been a lot better if it stayed out of the oak barrel. It picked up all the bad stuff in it.

Serving type: bottle

06-29-2013 00:26:08

Photo of Greywulfken
4.05/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

A: into a tulip, hazy deep gold beer; measured pour yielded a finger of soft white foam; barest traces of lace down the glass

S: herbal and floral hops, yeasty biscuits; hints of citrus and oak

T: tartness right off the top softens and becomes dank, while flavors reminiscent of grapefruit pith rise to the fore. What I think is probably a very-old school saison taste - I don't know if brett was used, but it tastes that way. The malts are delicately understated, supportive of the array of musky bitter and tart flavors.

M: crisp, tingly, brisk; light-bodied, low abv, very drinkable; makes you wanna smack your lips on the finish. Real nice.

O: a very classically-done saison. The bottle says, "rustic," and that's an apt description - I'm thinking fans of the style, or tart wild ales, or brett, will really enjoy this beer.

Photo of Sarlacc83
3.55/5  rDev -11.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

On tap at Belmont Station. Reviewed from notes.

A: Cloudy straw color with a 1/8" white head, though it's more bubbles than head after a few minutes.

N: Lactic acid is the first thing to jump out at me. Oak and lemon zest. Straw, lavender, and coriander. Black peppercorn and some brettanomyces.

T: Lightly sour with a touch of bitterness. Slightly bitter and there's a good biscuity nature. Grapefruit is here and lots of oak. Acidic stomach acid quality detracts for me.

M: Lighter in body, though slightly slick on the palate. Dries out the tongue.

O: An enjoyable saison for sure, but I wish it didn't have the unpleasant aftershock.

Photo of TwelveOunces
4.19/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Bottle poured into a tulip

A- A very hazy beer. A light orange color. A one finger of a white head with great retention.

S- Wheat an a lot of it. A belgian yeast strain. A slight clove and spiciness. A sour, pungent beer that will clear out your nose.

T- An intense sourness out of this brew. A puckering dark fruit flavor as well as cherries and lemon. A lot of grassy, wheat flavors. A very helbal beer and a big flower presence. A subtle but nice oak flavor from this beer. A slight oniony spicyness, a lot of clove, black pepper and some banana peel. Nice stuff. An impressive flavor profile from a low gravity brew.

M-Puckering. Medium carbonation. A refreshing beer considering its sourness. A silky feel and a lingering sour aftertaste.

O- A very nice beer. A complex flavor profile that remains sour, drinkable and refreshing.

Photo of UCLABrewN84
3.8/5  rDev -5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Bottle shared at GRG1313’s tasting.

Pours a murky orange with a foamy off-white head that settles to a film on top of the beer. Small streaks of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of malt, grain, fruit, wood, and a distinct buttery aromas. Taste is much the same with sour fruit flavors on the finish. There is a mild amount of woody bitterness on the palate with each sip. This beer has a lower level of carbonation with a slightly crisp mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty good beer that smells slightly better than it tastes in my opinion.

Photo of Huhzubendah
4.24/5  rDev +6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Shared with my wife while watching old school Star Trek.

Served in my Crooked Stave glass. Thanks Josh!

The beer is golden with a half inch of white head. The aroma brings funk, grass, yeast, earthy grains, sweet fruits, light spice, citrus. Lovely. The flavor follows suit, with a nice, lip smacking pucker in the finish. Earthy and bready. Pretty light in body and a pleasure to sip.

Photo of Beaver13
3.33/5  rDev -16.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

375 ml bottle. Pours hazy straw yellow with a medium creamy white head that goes to a thin film that laces the glass.

The aroma is funky bitter piney sourness with a little bile.

The flavor is light straw like malts and a little fruit with some brett and a dry medium bitter finish. The mouthfeel is medium to full bodied with low but prickly carbonation.

Overall, a nice lighter beer. I like the saison, brett and hop interaction.

Photo of RoninTK3
4.41/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A - Gold/orange with a bit of white head that quickly dissipates.

S - Apples, kiwi, sweet fruit, a bit of funk. A bit grassy.

T - Lots of peach, apple, and kiwi. Very fruity and quite a bit of tartness. Not much of the typical saison characteristics other than a bit of funk. A sour/resiny aftertaste.

M - Light, lot of carbonation, very refreshing. Resiny.

This is a nice, refreshing beer with lots of fruit and tartness and a touch of funk. If it was easier for me to get I'd imagine it could be a go to summer beer for me.

Photo of Knapp85
3.97/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

This poured out as a hazy orange color with a soapy white head on top. The retention is minimal, leaving some suds around the edge of the glass. The lacing is spotted along the glass. The smell has a very funky sour aroma, but I also pick up some elements of fresh earthy pine and oak in there. There is also some black pepper on the nose as well. The taste is actually much easier going than I expected. It's flavors are soft, there is a subtle amount of wheat that shows up, there is a decent amount of acidic lemon in there as well. It's not too spicy either. The mouthfeel is very light, almost watery. The carbonation is good, it's very drinkable and each going. Not bad.

Photo of Pinknuggets
4.06/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

bottle to HFS sniffer

A: golden hone in color with a white head that goes away fast and leaves little to no lacing around the top of the glass, there also seems to be lacking in carbonation. It is semi opaque and slightly cloudy but it looks fairly clean in terms or the range of saisons.

S: there is definitely some funk in there it smells like white wine almost and the oak barrels have a heavier presence then I have seen. it is also very bready the best I can describe it is like a grilled cheese I don't know whether this is a good or bad thing but it sure seems to be atypical.

T: It has an interesting array of flavors. First of all there is definitely some of that bready yeast from the nose that is the dominant flavor, but there there are also some fruit notes that are slightly sweet and juicy i can't tell specifically what it is, but my best guess is apricots. It also does have some white wine notes from the barrel aging, but it is subtile and in the background in the finish.

M: It is pretty light and slightly crisp upfront. It maintains the lightness in a thin and watery feel though that makes it drinkable, but that is too be expected at such a low abv. I would like it to be a like more crisp and have a barnyard feel to as that is missing from the taste as well.

O: This has a decent appearance but a very odd smell. The taste is not bad but it seems like a random mix of flavors that does not seem to be cohesive at all if they were this beer could have a lot of potential. The feel is light and easily drinkable so its sessionable but there is nothing special about it. Interesting beer none the less may be worth a try

Photo of Florida9
3.8/5  rDev -5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

A: Mildly hazy amber in color. Forms a modest, bubbly, white head. Little retention. Light lacing.

S: Aroma is slightly vinous with just a touch of lemon. There is a mild, but perceptible Brett character that comes off as horse blanket. Aroma is earthy, woody, and somewhat "dirty" in character.

T: Taste is more of the same. Malt backbone is fairly light. There is a mild lemon tartness. A little bit of black pepper. But mostly, the beer just comes off as tasting old, earthy, and dirty. Quick finish.

M: Body is thin and watery while the beer is undercarbonated. There is a mild tartness on the front end of the beer, but it quickly washes away. Virtually no bitterness. Dry on the finish.

O: Overall, not a bad beer, but it does manage to come off as if it was a very good Saison that they decided to barrel-age and in the process they muted and muddled all of those wonderful Saison qualities.

Photo of Vonerichs
3.79/5  rDev -5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Clear dark straw colored body with a tall but thin white head.

The aroma leads with funky Brett, white vinegar, lemon, and a sulfuric hard boiled egg scent.

The taste is funky with lemon, pepper, and oak. It's tart but the flavors are muted.

Mouthfeel is light and clean with prickly carbonation.

It's a very easy drinker. Take away the light sulfuric aroma and take the intensity of the flavors up a notch and this would be killer.

Photo of homebrew311
3.64/5  rDev -9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.75

Appearance is slightly cloudy and gold with bright white head. Heavy lacing left behind. The nose is funkay with notes of steamed vegetables, a touch of lactic acid, a bit of horse blanket, and some citrus at the end. The taste is a bit tart up front with notes of lemon juice follow by the funk and a bit of white grape. Mouthfeel is thin with a carbonation level that, in my opinion, is a little light for the style. The finish is very dry. Overall, this is my least favorite offering I'm Crooked Stave so far. The taste is better than the nose, but it is hard to wrap my head around the nose.

Photo of denver10
4.41/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.75

Updating my review for this, now that I have tried it a couple more times.

Pours a golden yellow with a a nice frothy dirty white head. Aroma offers some tart lemon, wood, and the brett providing a touch of dirty sock/barnyard. Flavor was woody, a little funkiness, and some tart lemon, like I was biting into the rind of a lemonl and some prickly pepper in the finish. Mouthfeel is crisp and active, super drinkable. Overall, fantastic brew. The more of this I have drank, the more I like.

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Saison Vieille Artisanal from Crooked Stave Brewery & Taproom
89 out of 100 based on 180 ratings.