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Bourgogne Des Flandres Brune / Bruin - Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

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Bourgogne Des Flandres Brune / BruinBourgogne Des Flandres Brune / Bruin

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77
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84 Ratings
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Ratings: 84
Reviews: 53
rAvg: 3.31
pDev: 17.52%
Wants: 1
Gots: 2 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V. visit their website
Belgium

Style | ABV
Flanders Oud Bruin |  5.00% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: JoeyBeerBelly on 10-14-2010)
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PorterLambic

Florida

2.78/5  rDev -16%

Pours a beautiful garnet red color with a light-medium tan head. Big to start the head drops to a creamy 1/3" and just stays forever. Great lace left behind.
Smell is malty with that wonderful, musty sourness, cherry and a hint of cardboard.
Taste is malty, cherry sweetness almost syrupy, some very slight sourness but not nearly enough, a light spice note appears just at the end of the swallow.
Rich, full-bodied, light effervescence, Smooth with a pretty decent coating of the palate and tongue though not enough to be a detraction. Flavor fades evenly.
If this beer had more of the expected sourness I would have given much higher marks on taste and overall. I really like the style, this one just falls short.

09-11-2011 01:45:25 | More by PorterLambic
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KickInTheChalice

Illinois

2.85/5  rDev -13.9%

Poured from a 750 mL caged and cork bottle into a snifter.

Appearance: This pours a murky cherry brown color with a white head. Eventually fading to a ring, the cap leaves a bit of lace.

Smell: This actually smells like pizza, which is odd. Behind that, there is brown malt sweetness and some tart cherries.

Taste: The flavor is sweet. Brown malt with some brown sugar starts the flavor. Some tart cherries next. Vaguely woody, and it almost turns into cherry coke by the end. Fairly weak, strangely sweet, and not very sour or good.

Mouthfeel: This is light and a little bit tart with soft carbonation and a light to medium body.

Overall: This is kind of a weird beer.

09-09-2011 04:55:46 | More by KickInTheChalice
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Squelch

United Kingdom (England)

3.03/5  rDev -8.5%

Appearance: Dark brown colored. Moderate lacing.

Smell: smells of a lambic. Funk with some malty sweetness

Taste: My wife described this as a cross between a stout and a lambic. I wouldn't go so far. It's definitely a flanders, but lacks the uumph of other's Ive recently tried. It tastes watered down.

Mouthfeel: Watered down. Slight sourness

Overall: Not really one I'd seek out again.

08-20-2011 21:00:36 | More by Squelch
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musicforairports

New York

2.88/5  rDev -13%

Ruby-brown, head sticks around a bit and leaves lacing, especially for the style.

Light aroma, some cherries, and some brown-ale-type malt.

Taste is pretty much cherry cola. Finishes with a hint of tartness, but I don't pick up any buggy, wild qualities here besides a faint, off band-aid quality I kind of caught in the nose. Pretty sweet. The flavor is refreshing and fine on its own, but for the style it's probably the worst I've had.

Light mouthfeel, not as carbonated as some.

A poor example of a Flanders, but if you're looking for a good cherry beer, this is fine. Not a problem to drink, but I'd like some complexity and at least some sort of tart/sour bite.

08-04-2011 02:58:18 | More by musicforairports
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JMad

Texas

3.58/5  rDev +8.2%

I drank this from a tulip...

The beer was cola colored with a bubbly tan head. It smells like sour cherry cola with just a hint of sweet malt and oak. The taste is a little more complex with sweet cola, black cherry, molasses and a tart finish. The beer is lighter than it looks with lots of carbonation and a dry finish. I thought this was a good and interesting beer, proof that you can't trust all overall ratings on here.

08-04-2011 00:41:25 | More by JMad
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TheNapkin

Texas

3.38/5  rDev +2.1%

Not bad for the style, but certainly not anything to write home about. While the malts are nicely balanced with the tartness (lots of prune and grape right up front with sour cherry and sweet malty backbone) the flavor overall is a little thin. That's really the only major complaint--the sweetness and maltiness seem so balanced because there's really no dominant flavor in the beer. Similar to a slightly watery Petrus Oud Bruin, but with dissipated complexity. Nevertheless, it's always nice to be drinking a barrel-aged Belgian.

07-24-2011 00:22:02 | More by TheNapkin
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DoctorDog

Ohio

3.2/5  rDev -3.3%

Presentation: 11.2 oz bottle into a snifter. "05/10/10" stamped on neck of the bottle.

A- Pours a translucent deep reddish-brown. 1 finger of fizzy light brown head, which quickly fades to a thin, incomplete cap and ring of bubbles.

S- Tart cherry-pear like aroma, malty-fruity sweetness, and some oak notes.

T- Slightly tart cherry, with a big hit of malty caramel sweetness. A touch of oaky bitterness on the finish. Inoffensive / pleasant, if not terribly interesting, tart, or complex...actually, fairly "soda-esque."

M- Slightly crisp with moderate carbonation. Medium feel.

O- OK. Easy drinking enough, though just not terribly interesting on any level.

Future outlook: This wasn't a "bad" beer by any means, but there's no real reason to purchase again.

07-15-2011 03:06:44 | More by DoctorDog
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jwinship83

Illinois

2.53/5  rDev -23.6%

750ml corked and caged bottle picked up at the wheaton whole foods for $10. 2010 is written on the cork. drank from my duvel tulip.

A- this one pours out a translucent very dark brown colored body with ruby red highlights. there is a khaki colored head on top that while small, lasts for a very long time. complete rings of lacing are left behind. were off to a great start.

S- compared to the appearance, the nose is a let down. vague cherries. little to no wildness. a little bit of oak...thats about it.

T- the taste is just as boring. odd cherry coke like sweetness coupled with artificial cherry flavor. very little sourness. very little funk.

M- light bodied. highly carbonated.

O- i regret spending $10 on this. never again. the real bruin brewers in belgium would roll their eyes at this. typical brown ale (thats that the back says)? my ass.

06-27-2011 02:20:02 | More by jwinship83
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Spider889

Ohio

2.98/5  rDev -10%

Bottled on 8/10/10, reviewed on 4/13/11 at Winking Lizard.

Odd...

Tall head, dark cola brown color, decent clarity with nice smears of lace.

Smelled of dry Belgian yeast at first, then grew extremely sweet. Not bad for a Flanders I suppose.

Tastes "red." I can't describe it much better than that. Just, "red." It was an odd assortment of off-brand cola, grape soda, and cherry syrup. Maybe a hint of tobacco, not much oak at all. As I got further I was getting lots of grapes and wine, like a sweet muscat or something.

Overall this beer was unpleasantly sweet. I repeat: odd...

06-22-2011 00:04:53 | More by Spider889
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liveandletdie

Washington

3.05/5  rDev -7.9%

I bought this because it was a "brown ale" and english and/or american brown ales I typically like. However this is hardly a brown ale in either of the sense of those two types. It says "belgian" brown ale on the bottle, and it's clasified aas flanders oud bruin....not sure on all these other names- I am from the united states. Just didn't taste good to me, tasted sour and there was little other flavor to it. Very one note on this one, which was a bad note unless you like sour though I think this might be because of the style...however I still believe they should have labeled this something else which is why I am writing a review...if you like browns...you probably wont like this.

06-17-2011 06:28:39 | More by liveandletdie
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chinchill

South Carolina

4/5  rDev +20.8%

clear brown ale with a generous and lasting white head.

Aroma - yeasty and bit like a lambic; not strong.

Excellent and unique flavor but the most remarkable thing about this beer is the mouthfeel. While the body is not thin, the brew quickly takes on a light airy quality I have only experienced in one other brew (wish I could remember which one). Unlike many reviewers, I actually like that this oud bruin is not sour.

O - ignore the ratings and comments, leave your expectations behind, and give this special beer a try.

P.S. reading up, I see that this is a unique beer produced by mixing a lambic with a "high fermentation brown ale" ("infusion of Lambic") which is then aged for 6 months in oak barrels

05-05-2011 00:39:18 | More by chinchill
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Domingo

Colorado

3.45/5  rDev +4.2%

This is kind of like the little brother of the Duchesse de Bourgogne.
Pours a cherrywood color with a lot of foam. Lots of lacing from it, as well.
Unlike the Duchesse (and other Flanders browns), the nose and flavor profile match. Sweet dark malts that blend into a semi-sour balsamic note in the finish. While initially seeming somewhat complex, it's actually pretty simple. It actually even has some cola and faro/sugar characteristics that remind me more of the Dutch versions of an old brown. I'd say that it might even be a hybrid of the two styles.
A little simplified, but easily approachable and drinkable. Not too strong so it's easily sessionable if you want.
Nothing spectacular, but certainly something I'd get again when I have a sweet tooth or need something mild. Plus, because of the fairly low octane, it's a nice item at Belgian restaurants when you're driving, too.

04-24-2011 16:42:39 | More by Domingo
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Mora2000

Texas

3/5  rDev -9.4%

The beer pours a dark brown color with a cream-colored head. The aroma consists of some toffee malt but nothing else. The flavor is toffee malt with some light cherry notes and some brown sugar. I get no sourness or not tartness. Disappointing. Medium mouthfeel and medium carbonation. Nothing really interesting with this beer and not really worth seeking out unless you just need the tick.

04-24-2011 03:20:55 | More by Mora2000
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Suds

Pennsylvania

2.4/5  rDev -27.5%

The appearance of this beer is a deep brown color with a very slight white head. The smell is of a candied sour cherry...it's not exactly a beer smell. The taste is similar...the sourness is there, but a little muted, and the sweetness seems to take a lot more from sugar than from malt. Thin and a little watery in body, with a decent bitterness and sour pucker at the finish. All in all, this is a real dismantlement for the style.

04-16-2011 01:58:38 | More by Suds
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alleykatking

Indiana

2.58/5  rDev -22.1%

Poured from 11.2oz bottle.

A- Pours a reddish brown color. The red really stands out in this when held to the light. One finger tan head that shows good retention. The head rests just over the beer most of the drink. Streaky lacing on the sides of the glass.

S- A little muted I thought for the style. The front end has a soured cherry presence which I was looking for. The vinegar did come through as well but not as big as other Oud Bruin's I have had. Ending of the nose is some wood notes mixed in with the soured cherries once again. Nothing over the top and to be honest even the vinegar smell was on the lower end....interesting.

T- Light soured cherries on the front of this beer follows suit with the muted aroma. There is a sweet malt like flavor that come in right after this with a hint of vinegar that washes away the tartness to this beer. Light oak flavor to the middle of the beer. The ending has more of a sugary sweet overly done cherry flavor to it. Some people have mentioned Cherry Coke and I can see where they get this from. Everything in this beer seems to be muted except for the sweetness which should have been the most muted of any flavor.

M- Light mouthfeel. Carbonation is a little on the high (fizzy) side. Cherries and sugary sweetness was left on the palate. Aftertaste is mostly sugary malts, light cherry flavor, and a hint of metallic flavoring. This beer is more on the sweet side and off balanced with that in mind. Some light metallic off flavors toward the middle that resurface toward the ending. Very light alcohol drying on the palate.

D- This is a interesting take on the style. A little more carbonated than what I am use to. There is a over the top sweetness that destroys any of the sourness that could be in this beer. Overall a lackluster beer in the style. Average at best...well maybe a little under average.

03-04-2011 14:39:56 | More by alleykatking
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TurdFurgison

Ohio

3.45/5  rDev +4.2%

On tap at the Gingerman in Houston, 1/2 pint goblet. It was dark brown and looked translucent until held to a light, when light peaks through with clarity if low final transmission rate. Wet looking tan foam that laces all over the glass.

Not a bad nose, some sour cherries and whatnot, maybe a little too much vinegar but I get that in a lot of Oud Bruins. On tasting this is really sweet, not sour as promised from aroma. Some sweet malts are noticeable too, long malty notes and fruity esters in the aftertaste. A little reminiscent of Koeninghoeven quad from the malt and yeast (obviously this adds sour cherries to that beer).

I liked it, not bad at all, but I'm going back to my cask Elissa after this.

03-01-2011 00:32:10 | More by TurdFurgison
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cooch69

Pennsylvania

3.35/5  rDev +1.2%

This beer pours a beutiful glowing ruby brown with only a tiny loose head.

It's nose features a cedary wood character, some vinegar and sweet ripe cherries.

Taste is subdued on the sour side, but makes up for it in fruitiness and also a nice bit of earthy and woodiness. There is a slight bit of vinegariness and a sweet finish. Pretty unique from similar ones I've had.

Good velvety mouthfeel and medium bodied.

02-13-2011 02:10:11 | More by cooch69
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SilentSabre

North Dakota

3.35/5  rDev +1.2%

Pours up a lovely reddish bronze colour with about an inch thick off-white head that fades quickly to just a frosty haze. However, it still laces the edges of my goblet quite nicely, and the slightest agitation revitalises the head.
Smell is vinous and sour with those damp basement and horse blanket nuances which are so associated with these types of brews.
Taste, too, is a bit vinous, but only very mildly sour. The flavour here is much sweeter than I was anticipating. While this is certainly 'good', regarding taste, I feel it lacks depth and complexity which can be readily found in other examples of this style.
Mouthfeel is pleasant, however, I believe this could have a bit more discernible carbonation. Not a bad example of the style, but there certainly *are* better choices out there.

02-09-2011 01:55:57 | More by SilentSabre
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OakedCanuck

Washington

2.98/5  rDev -10%

12oz poured into cervoise

This beer pours a nice deep reddish to cedar colour. Off white head with decent lacing. The smell is of cherries and some bready malt, noticeable Belgian yeast. The taste starts off sour cherries to me and finishes with a sweet candied sugar malt. I pick up a metallic like taste about mid palate, not sure what that's about. Mouthfeel is fairly thin and semi dry. This would be a good introductory sour.

02-04-2011 18:58:51 | More by OakedCanuck
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bluejacket74

Ohio

2.85/5  rDev -13.9%

11.2 ounce bottle, bottled on 05/10/10. Served in a snifter, the beer pours dark brown with some hints of ruby red, and has about a half inch off-white head. Head retention is good, and there's a decent amount of lacing left on the glass. Aroma is cherries (both sweet and tart), oak, and some vinegar. The taste is kinda like the aroma, but the taste is more sweet than tart (and not a good sweet taste), and there's also a weird off-flavor that I can't tell exactly what it is. It's not awful, but it's not exactly good, either. Mouthfeel/body is light/medium, it's watery and has decent carbonation. Drinkability is average. Didn't really care for this brew, it's just not for me I guess.

01-30-2011 01:12:57 | More by bluejacket74
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ArrogantB

Colorado

3.1/5  rDev -6.3%

12oz bottle that I believe was $3.79. Dark brown color, a little head. This smelled a little sweet and tasted slightly sweet as well. One dimensional and honestly the most boring oud bruin that I have had the misfortune of purchasing. I will not be buying any of the timmerman's lambics as I assume I will be equally disappointed.

01-16-2011 22:46:18 | More by ArrogantB
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Proteus93

Virginia

3.3/5  rDev -0.3%

A: A clean, ruby red topped with an off-white head. Not a whole lot of lacing, but the retention is nice and it does hang on to a good sheet over the beer.

S + T: When I first spotted the score on here, my heart sank a little as I find that, typically, my peers on here are pretty reasonable judges of brews. The aroma seems to be alright... I don't pick up on the tartness as much as I do in some others. Rather, there is a more notable malt warmth that is pleasant. Flavour is a little unusual... starts rather nice; it's light and moderately tart. It's the finish that I find a strange, though... there's something that almost seems a little like dish soap. It's mild, but it's there. This could very well be due to a glass with residue on it, but it does seem to be an element of the beer, honestly.

M + D: I didn't find this to be all that bad, but I would probably be more likely to reach for Monk's Cafe, Duchesse, Rodenbach, etc... if I were looking for the style. I would be very open to trying another in regards to the flavour profile, though, as it seems very unusual.

01-16-2011 02:06:15 | More by Proteus93
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metter98

New York

3.63/5  rDev +9.7%

A: The beer is clear dark reddish brown in color and poured with a finger high dense off white head that quickly died down but never completely faded away. A very light amount of carbonation is visible from the rising bubbles.
S: There are light to moderate aromas of sour dark fruits and sweetness in the nose along with some hints of oak from the barrel aging.
T: There is an interesting balance between sweet and sour flavors; the initial taste has a mild amount of sweetness, which transitions to a mild amount of sourness in the finish. Flavors of brown sugar, cherries and vinegar stand out in particular. The sweetness is slightly stronger than the sourness.
M: It feels light- to medium-bodied and quite thin and watery on the palate and has a moderate amount of carbonation.
D: The beer is rather easy to drink and goes down smoothly. I would consider it to be sessionable if it had a little more sourness to balance out the sweet flavors.

01-01-2011 19:58:16 | More by metter98
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Fnord

Texas

3/5  rDev -9.4%

Appearance - Dark reddish-brown with a thin tan head.

Smell - Maple, sour cherry and apple, and brown sugar.

Taste - Very sweet beginning and middle, finishes crisp and tart. A hint of bitterness. Not much aftertaste to speak of.

Mouthfeel - Thin body and medium-high carbonation.

Notes - When I first saw this beer, I was hoping I finally found a replacement for Goudenband. It's no Goudenband, though. Though reasonably tasty, it isn't very complex, and in my opinion isn't sour enough. It may be useful for someone who's trying to ease into sours, but I can't recommend it otherwise.

12-21-2010 04:18:51 | More by Fnord
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crossovert

Illinois

1.73/5  rDev -47.7%

11.2 oz bottle, bottled on 28/06/10.

It pours a dark brown with a thick, foamy, and big white head that sticks for a while, forming rocky white peaks. It gives some decent lacing as it slowly goes down.

It doesn't smell like a sour really, just a regular fruit estery Belgian amber.

The flavor is sweet, no sign of funk, rather pedestrian. This is a beginners bruin, as a seasoned drinker, I don't even recognize this as an Oud Bruin, more like a Belgian amber ala Biere du Boucaneer.

11-27-2010 04:25:30 | More by crossovert
Bourgogne Des Flandres Brune / Bruin from Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.
77 out of 100 based on 84 ratings.