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Bourgogne Des Flandres - Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

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BA SCORE
80
good

295 Ratings
THE BROS
79
okay

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Ratings: 295
Reviews: 102
rAvg: 3.5
pDev: 17.14%
Wants: 5
Gots: 26 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
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Belgium

Style | ABV
Flanders Red Ale |  5.00% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: rastaman on 10-12-2002

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Ratings: 295 | Reviews: 102
Reviews by DavidST:
Photo of DavidST
2.94/5  rDev -16%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured from a 11.2 oz bottle, date 5/10/10 into a tulip glass.

This is a very good looking beer nice dark brown color with red edges and a nice foamy light brownish head. The smell is pretty light, there are some of the flanders sour smell, a little kriek cherry smell, a little sweet. Mouth feel is light, highly carbonated. The taste is okay, its a little sweet, some fruits almost tart but everything is too mellow, then a weird after flavor, this is definitely missing the ultra sour / tart kick that I was expecting from this style. Overall, I was looking for a cheaper Flanders Red besides La Folie and Duchesse De Bourgogne, but sadly this is just too toned down for me to get again, I'll stick with the Duchesse.

More User Reviews:
Photo of DaPeculierDane
3.5/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 4

Small bottle offered up at Avec Les Bon Veoux in Brussels. Brown-red body with ruby hues and a thin tan head that dissipates rapidly this whispy lace. Aroma of candied cherries and oak with a touch of funk and some coriander like spice. Taste is cherries and prunes with some candied sugar and a little woodiness. Sour but not insanely so. Light bodied and quite drinkable.

Photo of Guden
3.02/5  rDev -13.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 3

A- Pours a deep dark brown with just a touch of ruby highlights coming through in my Tripel Karmeliet tulip. Off white head fades quickly into an oily layer around the rim.

S- Toasty malt, cherries, fruit punch, vanilla, fennel and hints of vinegar and funk. There's also a strange sickly sweet smell laced in that I find a bit off putting.

T- Very sugary sweet, almost to soda levels, with just a little sourness and toast. Finish is still fairly sweet but has a fruit punch flavor and tanginess.

M- Way too thick for a sour beer in my opinion. Medium carbonation is alright.

O- What can I say, this is a strange somewhat artificial seeming beer. It's drinkable enough but not very complex and the sweetness is way too high for my tastes.

Photo of Jason
3.48/5  rDev -0.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2oz brown bottle with a bottling date printed on the neck of the bottle.

Dark mahogany, nearly black with a healthy looking froth on top. Ripe cherries, vanilla taffy, lemon zest and a hint of cake batter in the nose. Crisp and slick medium body. Sweet all around though the oak does pull on the palate, hints of ripe fruit; apples, cherries and lemonade. Confection / candy juiciness in the middle. Light hopping, faintly yeasty. Tartness struggles to come over the top but it does make it, still pretty mild though. Semi-sweet finish with more oaky flavors to meddle over.

A pretty good example of a Flanders Brown, one bottle is more than enough though.

Photo of deebo
4.03/5  rDev +15.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at Monk-Brussels

A-Pours a creamy tan that sticks to the traditional Bourgongne Des Flanders wine glass. Brownish red and clear.

S-Funky sour and yeasty with a little oak smell.

T-Fruity, yeasty and sweet. Just a hint of a bitter finish.

M-Any alcohol is hidden, crisp but not overly carbonated.

D-Easy to drink and tasty.

O-A nice flavorful easy to drink beer, not overly anything.

Photo of pat61
4.1/5  rDev +17.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Nose sour tart dark malt, fruit with a hint of chocolate. The lemony tartness grows as it ages. Brilliant brown with very light red tint under a 2” finely bubbled bone white foam cap with a very light tan tint. Attacks the palate with a mouthful of fruit and some dark malt sugars with traces of chocolate balanced by a pleasant tartness with lemon notes. The tartness grows and the sweetness decreases as it ages. Medium body and medium high carbonation. A little tame.

Photo of ehammond1
2.34/5  rDev -33.1%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

Bottle (2010)

Thanks for opening this with me, UCLABrewN84!

(Aged for 2+ years)

Clear dark crimson and burgundy with a small light khaki colored head that leaves spots of lace down the glass.

A very sweet aroma with some medicinal cherry and grape aroma. There's some candied strawberry syrup aroma as well. There's very little tart/sour character.

The flavor too is astoundingly sweet. This reminds me of strawberry and cherry syrup with just a touch of bitterness. There's very little oak flavor or complexity, either.

Medium bodied with low carbonation.

Not a very good representation of the style.

Photo of jazzyjeff13
3.44/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

I just brought this back from a trip to Belgium, and I think it may have suffered during the flight. The bottle was still sealed, but missing a portion of the contents - perhaps it leaked out at altitude? Who knows, but I thought I'd better get on and crack it open. Still slightly carbonated, so hopefully not a complete disaster....

A 330ml bottle with a BB of March 2014. Picked up from a supermarket in Bruges last week. The bottle image features the famous belfry from the city centre.

Poured into a Delirium chalice. A deep reddish-brown hue with low carbonation. Virtually no head; a hint of light brown froth that vanishes fleetingly. A sweet, sour, woody aroma - notes of tart cherries, subtle sherry, brown sugar and a vinegary twang in the background.

The taste is sweet, with a fruity sourness and a short, dry finish. Notes of cherries, sherry, brown sugar, malt and hints of vinegar and wood. A dry acidity upon swallowing. Mouthfeel is smooth and dry but a tad flat (even for a supposedly aged style). Lacks body. Mild aftertaste of vinegary sourness and tart cherries.

Not bad, though I find it a little too sweet and in need of improved body. The low carbonation is also a weak point, though this may have been caused by poor handling (my fault). Otherwise, it has the classic fruity sourness of a flanders red - distinct but restrained. A decent representative of these unique Belgian beers. Worth trying.

Photo of chinchill
3.89/5  rDev +11.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On tap at the Atlanta Yard House.

A: clear dark brown-amber with an excllent beige head. Very good lacing

Aroma: complex with tart, fruity and liquer elements.

Flavor: Sweet up front turning tart-sweet by the finish. Moderately malty, Complex, lingering aftertaste.

Feel: medium body; OK carbonation. Smooth

O: Interesting and worth trying

Photo of ianjsullivan
3.02/5  rDev -13.7%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

ST: 11.2oz poured into a tulip

A: Dark brown with a think off-white head.

S: Some sour dark fruit, a bit of stone, wet malt.

T: Sweet dark fruit (raisin, prune), slight caramel, and a clean finish.

M: Medium and sweet.

O: Little aroma and little flavor, and the flavor available is mostly sweet. This beer is not worth a try.

Photo of rastaman
3/5  rDev -14.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Rather sweet and thin bodied, not one of the better examples of the style, but still OK, slightly tart cherry quality, but nothing exceptional. Light and slightly enjoyable, very downable.

Photo of rhoadsrage
4/5  rDev +14.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

(Served in a tulip glass)

A- This beer pours a dense walnut brown body with a little light glowing at the base of the glass. There is a sticky beige head that sticks to the glass in sheets but doesn't last.

S- The soft bright almost citrus orange tartness has some wet raw oak and rhubarb notes that grow as the beer opens.

T- The blend of cola and wet wood led to a mellow tartness and some brown sugar sweetness that starts to develop as it opens. There is a touch of cherries and citrus hints to a bright tartness in the finish. A well blended brown malt and dry toffee note has some paper oxidation notes and a faint aspirin quality to follow. There is a bitterness of grapefruit pith in the finish aswell.

M- The medium mouthfeel has a touch of fizz in the finish but it is gentle.

O- This beer is bright with some nice fruity depth to it and a soft tartness but it becomes a bit too sweet as it warms and the tartness is a bit too mellow to combat that.

Photo of CloudStrife
3.57/5  rDev +2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2 oz bottle poured into a snifter. 27/01/11 imprinted on the neck.

A: Pours a dark hazy reddish brown with a half finger off white head. Too opaque to see any carbonation. Head sticks around for a few minutes before fleeting to the edges. Leaves faint lacing on the glass.

S: Has a pleasant tart/sour aroma reminiscent of cherry, raspberry and apple. Some dark roasty malts hint at raisin, plum and fig. Get a background of oak as it warms.

T: Less sour than the smell would lead you to believe. Has a bold malt characteristic that balances out most of the tartness. Still there is a strong fruit taste that reminds me of a lambic. A very sweet beer. Growing on me as I drink more.

M: Has the crisp mouthfeel you would expect and a fairly light body. A little sticky from the sugars. Might be hard to knock back a few in a row.

Overall certainly worth a shot by anyone who enjoys sours. I'm more favorable toward sours leading to a higher than average score. Nice that it is year round as well.

Photo of Mar02x
3.8/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - A nice red and clear beer with a whitish pink head.

S - Sour red fruit, mainly cherries.

T - Dry cherries, the body however isn't full, but nevertheless still tasteful and refreshing.

M - Medium carbonation that fits the taste. Somewhat sticky and light bitter.

O - A nice beer, something different, not to sweet, just try it once.

Photo of Sammy
3.5/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Attractive and promising Dark mollasses colour. mollasses aroma with a sweetness other than mollasses, candy? Then sourness and tongue numbing that lasts 6 hours later. An experience that is not necessarily satisfying. Not complex, but drinkable brew.

Photo of JoeAmerican77
3.56/5  rDev +1.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Very dark rootbeer brown, nice two finger tope head... Smells of caramel malts sour barnyard fun and some mild sweetness. Flavor consists of cherry flesh, sweet red strawberry lollipops, a bit cloying. and a dose or two of sour bugs. A medium body and soda like carbonation make up the mouthfeel.

Overall a bit too sweet for me, and I also wish it were more sour.

Photo of ElGordo
3.7/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from the 750ml champagne bottle into a Liefmans chalice. Body is a pretty reddish brown color with some ruby highlights, topped by a half inch of creamy, off-white head that leaves a good bit of lacing all around the whole glass.
Aroma of light, bready malt, sweet fruit (cherry and fig), and a hint of vinegary sourness. Palate is fruit-forward with lots of cherry sweetness and a bready malt base. A mild sourness lingers on the finish. Body is light, creamy, and just a bit sticky. While not nearly as sour as some other Flemish reds, this is still a very tasty little number.

Photo of Alieniloquium
3.09/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter.

Appearance - Putrid brown liquid that pours with little head and no lacing. It just does not look appetizing.

Smell - It's more promising. I was hoping for more yeastiness and funk, but instead it's slightly sweet. Only a hint of tartness in the smell.

Taste - Similar to the smell. Some cherries and some oak. The tartness is barely strong enough to overcome the sweetness in the middle. Not a bad flavor throughout. The failure is in the finish. The beer thins out and tastes like a sickly sugar water. Ugh.

Mouthfeel - Very light body with a good amount of carbonation. The finish, as I mentioned, is just awful, though. Needs to be drier and crisper in the finish.

Overall - I enjoyed each sip but dreaded the swallow. For that reason, I would not buy this again.

Photo of beveritt
3.82/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Presentation: Had at a recent spur of the moment trip to World of Beer. Poured into a logo glass.

Appearance: Pours with very little head, this disappears quickly, Beer itself is medium brown with a slight reddish tinge and perfeclty clear. No sediment in the bottle.

Smell: Sweet caramel malt with strong notes of cherries.

Taste: Slightly tart cherry upfront with a malty smoothness.

Mouthfeel: Lower than average carbonation. Good body.

Drinkability: Not as tart as some Red Ales I have had, but enjoyable. Not sure why this says retired, just had one last night.

Photo of Chris7482
4.2/5  rDev +20%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Very easy drinking sour. Good tasting but not exactly representative of the style, but good none the less.

Photo of Rassputtin
3.89/5  rDev +11.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

330 ml bottle
28/06/10 09:43

Pours an amber red almost no head that is gone immediately.

Smells great. It is sweet but tart and sour. Smells a little bready and fruity.

It tastes much like it smells. Starts fruity and tart like a sour but ends up bready.

Mouthfeels is good a little carbonationy. Not heavy at all. Starts smooth and ends pretty smooth.

Overall a pretty good beer. Worth a try for sure and definitely A pick above many others.

Photo of Phyl21ca
3.7/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Bottle: Poured a dark red beer with a huge head with pretty good retention. Oak really hits you when you small this beer. Taste is very refreshing with a hint of sweet cheery which is attributable to the oak. Finish is a bit dry and watery which stop this beer from being as good as the Rodenbach. Still a nice example of the style.

Photo of smakawhat
3.55/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Poured from the bottle into a tulip glass.

Pours chestnut and then hits with and extremely dark brown with barley a hint of red body. A tan head is made with perhaps some fluffy consistency but settles slowly, but leaves a good collar. Dark brew.

Nose is sweet and interesting. Dry sweet clove, perhaps mace and brown sugar.

Palate hits with a very grape box sweetness. Grape juice Welches quality to the palate with a mild brown sugar. Light bodied with some density but a little hit of wet. Prickly carbonation, matches the sweetness and blurs the line between grape soda and prickly beer.

Overall this is a little too sweet for my tastes, and it's also a bit too soda like strangely. I would have it over many other beers, but I certainly don't feel the need to want to have this again.

Photo of LiquidAmber
3.63/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured into a Gulden Draak tulip. Pours a dark red amber with a one finger medium pinkish white head with good retention and lacing. Aroma is sweet malt and sour fruit, cherries. Mellow flavor of cherries, sour and sweet, finishes with a well blended flavor of dark fruit, malt and cherries somewhat tangy. Moderate bodied. Somewhat subdued in flavor, but pleasant and satisfying to drink. This is a one year old bottle with unknown storage details (may be a bottle from distributor storage).

Photo of RonaldTheriot
3.75/5  rDev +7.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Bourgogne des Flandres has a medium, cream-colored head, heavy lacing left on the glass, and an initially clear, cola-brown, bubbly appearance, which becomes quite murky, once the bottom sediment is loosened and poured in. The aroma is of sharp, aged malt, slightly turned fruit, chocolate, and sweet, gingerbread. Taste is of sweet & sour candy, sugar, turned fruit, medium-to-dark malt, acid, and brown bread crust. Some tart cherry, much like Dr. Pepper, is in evidence, too. Bitterness is low, and the mouthfeel is medium and cola-like, but without the high carbonation. Bourgogne des Flanders finishes semi-wet and decently drinkable.

RJT

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Bourgogne Des Flandres from Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.
80 out of 100 based on 295 ratings.