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Bourgogne Des Flandres - Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

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Reviews: 100
Hads: 298
rAvg: 3.43
pDev: 13.99%
Wants: 5
Gots: 29 | FT: 0
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Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V. visit their website
Belgium

Style | ABV
Flanders Red Ale |  5.00% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: rastaman on 10-12-2002

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Photo of pat61
4.1/5  rDev +19.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Nose sour tart dark malt, fruit with a hint of chocolate. The lemony tartness grows as it ages. Brilliant brown with very light red tint under a 2” finely bubbled bone white foam cap with a very light tan tint. Attacks the palate with a mouthful of fruit and some dark malt sugars with traces of chocolate balanced by a pleasant tartness with lemon notes. The tartness grows and the sweetness decreases as it ages. Medium body and medium high carbonation. A little tame. (472 characters)

Photo of RonaldTheriot
3.75/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Bourgogne des Flandres has a medium, cream-colored head, heavy lacing left on the glass, and an initially clear, cola-brown, bubbly appearance, which becomes quite murky, once the bottom sediment is loosened and poured in. The aroma is of sharp, aged malt, slightly turned fruit, chocolate, and sweet, gingerbread. Taste is of sweet & sour candy, sugar, turned fruit, medium-to-dark malt, acid, and brown bread crust. Some tart cherry, much like Dr. Pepper, is in evidence, too. Bitterness is low, and the mouthfeel is medium and cola-like, but without the high carbonation. Bourgogne des Flanders finishes semi-wet and decently drinkable.

RJT (645 characters)

Photo of gonzo000
3.78/5  rDev +10.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

A nice fruity beer with a hint of sour, but not enough to call it a sour. Red fruits lead the taste profile. I got raspberry and strawberry with slightly sour cherry on the finish. (182 characters)

Photo of bluehende
3.83/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

As others have said not very sour. A nice drinking red with lots of cherry and some complexity. A fairly sweet taste with slightly sour finish. I liked it but did not love it. (178 characters)

Photo of jmdrpi
4.1/5  rDev +19.5%

served in a goblet from the tap

medium brown in color, not really any head. mild sour aroma, a bit earthy and dark fruits. taste is fairly malty, with just a slightly sour vinegary finish. Not very sour, drinks easy and refreshing. Thin bodied. (251 characters)

Photo of chinchill
3.89/5  rDev +13.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On tap at the Atlanta Yard House.

A: clear dark brown-amber with an excllent beige head. Very good lacing

Aroma: complex with tart, fruity and liquer elements.

Flavor: Sweet up front turning tart-sweet by the finish. Moderately malty, Complex, lingering aftertaste.

Feel: medium body; OK carbonation. Smooth

O: Interesting and worth trying (347 characters)

Photo of runbirddrinkbeer
3.58/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.75

Tried this as part of a Belgian beer sample shipment(great gift from the inlaws) and have had some great sours and like that style. The appearance of this beer is interesting with a faintly cloudy reddish brown color. The aroma is less intense than expected with some cherry and fig present. The taste has similar notes with tart cherry and cola, tea and golden raisin present and typical sour fruits aftertaste. Mouthfeel is average/thin. Overall a decent offering and I enjoyed it....not Rodenbach but every style has its sublime examples. (541 characters)

Photo of twiggamortis420
3.29/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.25

11.2 oz bottle pours a murky brown color with a small cap of tan head. Not much in the way of lacing or retention.

nose is sweet malt, plums, figs and burnt caramel. Only the faintest hint of any sourness unfortunately.

Taste is fruity cola, tangy fruit and red grape skins. Similar to the aroma, the sour level is disappointing. Its not bad, it has some decent malty/fruit interplay, but really falls in line as just an average flanders. (440 characters)

Photo of SLeffler27
3.96/5  rDev +15.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

This is a very dark brown beer with red highlights. A khaki froth reached one inch before quickly settling to a thin blanket, leaving patches of lace on the St. Hermes tulip while the almost clear beer resides below.

Sweet fruit is led with cherry, followed by currents and vanilla and light spices. The light tartness is much more restrained than others of this style.

Sweet and lightly acidic with very low tartness. As anticipated, cherry is prominent, resembling Smith Bros. Cough Drops. Like the aroma, these flavors are less complex than other versions of the style.

A slick texture with light body and soft carbonation and unnoticed alcohol.

This one is refreshing and similar to fruit juice. I enjoyed it late on a warm, sunny day and could see this easily being a digestive. It is off style, but certainly would make a fine introduction for those uninitiated to sour beers. (886 characters)

Photo of stewart124
3.09/5  rDev -9.9%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

Dark mahogany in color with some haze and visible carbonation. A bit of lace but nothing to write home about.

Caramel and tart cherry in the nose.

More caramel in the taste but it comes as a sweeter note. Something in the way of soda-like in character. Easy to drink throughout but not something I could drink more than one of. The tartness is there but fails to surpass the sweetness. (387 characters)

Photo of eduardolinhalis
3.5/5  rDev +2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

330ml bottle served in a tulip glass.

A: Pours a dark amber almost brown color forming a medium to small bubbled yellow head which dissipates quickly leaving lots of spotty lacings in the glass. A thin layer remains on top for a long time

S: Sweet and fruity. Strong notes of grapes and cherries, mainly. Notes of oak and a caramel malts backbone

T: Sweet upfront which is fruity as well, again, strong notes of grapes and cherries. Notes of wood and candy sugar. Caramel malts. Nice light sourness and a very light bitterness in the very end. A bit syrupy

M: Light to medium body. Medium carbonation. Sweet and fruity and, at the same time, mild sour aftertaste

O: Good drinkability. Refreshing beer (705 characters)

Photo of ianjsullivan
3.02/5  rDev -12%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

ST: 11.2oz poured into a tulip

A: Dark brown with a think off-white head.

S: Some sour dark fruit, a bit of stone, wet malt.

T: Sweet dark fruit (raisin, prune), slight caramel, and a clean finish.

M: Medium and sweet.

O: Little aroma and little flavor, and the flavor available is mostly sweet. This beer is not worth a try. (333 characters)

Photo of spoony
3.75/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

From a 750 ml (dated October 2, 2011) into a tulip.

A-The brew is the color of swamp water: murky and brown. It is not terribly attractive, but not far from the style. There is a two-finger head of tan foam that drops to thick cap then lingers for a bit before disappearing.

S-I smell cherry cola. Seriously. This thing is sweet, with hints of cherry and oak, and something that reminds of me carbonic acid like one might find in a cola.

T-The flavors are pretty mild. I detect some cherry and vanilla up front with a touch of dark, "brune" fruit at the end. There is a fair amount of sweetness from start to finish. Sour power is very low.

M-Feel is medium to slightly heavy (for the style). There is little carbonation and a slick, watery texture.

O-I could not get the flavor cherry cola out of my head when drinking this brew. It is sweet, somewhat simple, and the malted, dark cherry flavor pretty much dominates to the exclusion of everything else. All that being said, I have had worse. (998 characters)

Photo of Guden
3.02/5  rDev -12%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 3

A- Pours a deep dark brown with just a touch of ruby highlights coming through in my Tripel Karmeliet tulip. Off white head fades quickly into an oily layer around the rim.

S- Toasty malt, cherries, fruit punch, vanilla, fennel and hints of vinegar and funk. There's also a strange sickly sweet smell laced in that I find a bit off putting.

T- Very sugary sweet, almost to soda levels, with just a little sourness and toast. Finish is still fairly sweet but has a fruit punch flavor and tanginess.

M- Way too thick for a sour beer in my opinion. Medium carbonation is alright.

O- What can I say, this is a strange somewhat artificial seeming beer. It's drinkable enough but not very complex and the sweetness is way too high for my tastes. (743 characters)

Photo of thecheapies
3.51/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Bourgogne des Flandres looks a shade of garnet with a thick layer of topper that left a foam coat on the surface after falling. Excellent lace.

Apple skins and some sweet malt. Stone fruits like cherry and nectarine. Little tartness picked up. Mellow nose with tangy pomme sweetness.

Black cherry, red apple, roasted grain, bitters, vanilla, and light wine-like notes. Very mild tartness with a hint of vinegary soured Merlot. Nice fruitiness. Tastes better than the nose smells.

Medium body with some sugary tack. Soft carbonation. Drinks easy.

Second beer in the Sour Tower Takeover tasting. Too much attenuation and not enough tartness for the style leaves this one sweet and a bit juicy. (695 characters)

Photo of colts9016
2.92/5  rDev -14.9%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

This is the first time that I have tried this style of beer, a thank you from Donkeyrunner. Poured into a tulip glass at 47 degrees.

Appearance: A one finger head that has terrible retention. The color of the head is light tan, foamy and bubbly. The head left some lacing on the glass, not much though. The color of the beer is dark mahogany color with reddish hues hues. The beer has some carbonation visible on the side of the glass.

Nose: A strong fruity aroma like cherries, kettle cooked caramel, chocolate, and some diacytles.

Taste: A very sweet, cherry, chocolate flavor, and cooked caramel flavors. and a high maltiness.

The mouth feel of the beer is chewy, no carbonation, and sweet.

Overall: The body of the beer is medium and the finish is medium light. Okay, do not know what to think of this beer, it does not seem like a flanders beer that is acidic or strong in flavor. To me, is lacks a lot to make this beer excellent. It is just an average beer, nothing special. (990 characters)

Photo of DimensionX
2.82/5  rDev -17.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

A: Poured with an intense fizzyness that dissipated almost instantly, reminded me of a soda pour more than a beer.

S: smells funky and kinda sweet with some dark fruit character.

T: The fruit comes out first, maybe dark cherries or figs but very sweet, this is followed by a kind of funky oak brett flavor. I like the initial taste but it quickly fades into a kind of sickly sweet, slimy aftertaste.

M: seems about right but maybe a little too slick on the after taste.

O: Clearly I'm not a huge fan, it isn't bad overall but I wouldn't buy it again. The after taste is where it really lost me, almost reminds me of a root beer. (632 characters)

Photo of deadonhisfeet
3.65/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a bottle into a Duvel snifter. The pour is a deep, dark, clear mahogany with a ruby red tint. There is two fingers of khaki head that quickly dissipates. The nose is sour, a bit musty, and a little fruity. Sour cherries predominate and there are also notes of vanilla and blackberries.

Medium body and fairly firm feel. Sour cherry-like fruit notes abound on the front of the palate, but they are not overpowering. They soften and sweeten a bit and take on vanilla-like qualities, then sadly vanish. The finish is a bit weak and I don't get acidity or sweetness to linger. The only flavor that lingers is a faint, earthy, blackberry note. The beer is easy to drink and quite refreshing.

Overall, this is a good-tasting beer with some nice complexity, but there are other beers in this style with a bit more intensity and far more lasting flavor. (859 characters)

Photo of CloudStrife
3.57/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2 oz bottle poured into a snifter. 27/01/11 imprinted on the neck.

A: Pours a dark hazy reddish brown with a half finger off white head. Too opaque to see any carbonation. Head sticks around for a few minutes before fleeting to the edges. Leaves faint lacing on the glass.

S: Has a pleasant tart/sour aroma reminiscent of cherry, raspberry and apple. Some dark roasty malts hint at raisin, plum and fig. Get a background of oak as it warms.

T: Less sour than the smell would lead you to believe. Has a bold malt characteristic that balances out most of the tartness. Still there is a strong fruit taste that reminds me of a lambic. A very sweet beer. Growing on me as I drink more.

M: Has the crisp mouthfeel you would expect and a fairly light body. A little sticky from the sugars. Might be hard to knock back a few in a row.

Overall certainly worth a shot by anyone who enjoys sours. I'm more favorable toward sours leading to a higher than average score. Nice that it is year round as well. (1,003 characters)

Photo of OneDropSoup
3.95/5  rDev +15.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured into a stemmed tulip: Deep plum-brown body with faint crimson highlights under a finger of khaki head.

Smells of Concord jelly, tart cherries, slight balsamic vinegar. A little on the sweet side for my liking but not bad. Some cocoa shows up, & a toasted, sweet breadiness, like pie crust.

Tart cherry skins at first in the taste, some green apple, mild cocoa, a little caramel, with that vinegar twist kicking in again. Again, on the sweet side, but some pretty good flavors going on here.

Medium-bodied, but somehow turns a little thin & (I'm not sure how else to put this) artificial, like the sweetness from a lollipop. Lightly chalky, in a good way.

As mentioned several times, this was a little too sweet for me to be loving it, but I'd have another one any day. (779 characters)

Photo of ehammond1
2.34/5  rDev -31.8%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

Bottle (2010)

Thanks for opening this with me, UCLABrewN84!

(Aged for 2+ years)

Clear dark crimson and burgundy with a small light khaki colored head that leaves spots of lace down the glass.

A very sweet aroma with some medicinal cherry and grape aroma. There's some candied strawberry syrup aroma as well. There's very little tart/sour character.

The flavor too is astoundingly sweet. This reminds me of strawberry and cherry syrup with just a touch of bitterness. There's very little oak flavor or complexity, either.

Medium bodied with low carbonation.

Not a very good representation of the style. (608 characters)

Photo of smakawhat
3.55/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Poured from the bottle into a tulip glass.

Pours chestnut and then hits with and extremely dark brown with barley a hint of red body. A tan head is made with perhaps some fluffy consistency but settles slowly, but leaves a good collar. Dark brew.

Nose is sweet and interesting. Dry sweet clove, perhaps mace and brown sugar.

Palate hits with a very grape box sweetness. Grape juice Welches quality to the palate with a mild brown sugar. Light bodied with some density but a little hit of wet. Prickly carbonation, matches the sweetness and blurs the line between grape soda and prickly beer.

Overall this is a little too sweet for my tastes, and it's also a bit too soda like strangely. I would have it over many other beers, but I certainly don't feel the need to want to have this again. (793 characters)

Photo of elNopalero
4/5  rDev +16.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Cork date 2.2010.

This pours a ruddy brown with tremendous foam sitting atop it. Looks good.

The aroma is reminiscent of sour cherries, or gourmet/fancy maraschino cherries, with a flavor to match. I think of sweet vermouth and black cherries, like 2/3rds of an expertly made Manhattan, with a sweetness matched by a mild tartness. I get some of that vermouth/bitters aroma, a layered, aged sense of different herbs and spices coming together and mellowing out, and the taste of cherries running throughout. Terribly enjoyable and readily accessible. (552 characters)

Photo of UCLABrewN84
2.48/5  rDev -27.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

Bottle I brought to share at DarthKostrizer's tasting.

Bottled on 1/7/10.

Pours a clear brown with a khaki head that settles to a film on top of the beer. Small dots of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of malt, sugar, and some very slight sour aromas. Taste is of malt and sugar with no tartness whatsoever. This beer has a pretty good level of carbonation with a slightly crisp mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty poor beer and a horrible example of the style. (487 characters)

Photo of bfields4
3.35/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Clear amber brown body. Decent off white head dissapates quickly.

Light caramel aroma. Slightly funky. Little sour, rasins. Not an intense aroma.

Flavors are subtle as well. Lightly sour dark sweet malt. Rasins maybe a touch of vanilla.

Enjoyable sour. Won't light the world on fire, but easy dinker. The duchess light. (322 characters)

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Bourgogne Des Flandres from Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.
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