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Bourgogne Des Flandres - Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

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254 Ratings
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Ratings: 254
Reviews: 95
rAvg: 3.48
pDev: 17.24%
Wants: 3
Gots: 13 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V. visit their website
Belgium

Style | ABV
Flanders Red Ale |  5.00% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: rastaman on 10-12-2002)
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Sammy

Ontario (Canada)

3.48/5  rDev 0%

Attractive and promising Dark mollasses colour. mollasses aroma with a sweetness other than mollasses, candy? Then sourness and tongue numbing that lasts 6 hours later. An experience that is not necessarily satisfying. Not complex, but drinkable brew.

08-24-2005 03:19:33 | More by Sammy
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t0rin0

California

3.25/5  rDev -6.6%

09-08-2012 23:31:06 | More by t0rin0
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UCLABrewN84

California

2.43/5  rDev -30.2%

Bottle I brought to share at DarthKostrizer's tasting.

Bottled on 1/7/10.

Pours a clear brown with a khaki head that settles to a film on top of the beer. Small dots of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of malt, sugar, and some very slight sour aromas. Taste is of malt and sugar with no tartness whatsoever. This beer has a pretty good level of carbonation with a slightly crisp mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty poor beer and a horrible example of the style.

06-03-2012 21:43:09 | More by UCLABrewN84
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zestar

California

3.25/5  rDev -6.6%

08-22-2014 08:02:51 | More by zestar
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Phyl21ca

Quebec (Canada)

3.73/5  rDev +7.2%

Bottle: Poured a dark red beer with a huge head with pretty good retention. Oak really hits you when you small this beer. Taste is very refreshing with a hint of sweet cheery which is attributable to the oak. Finish is a bit dry and watery which stop this beer from being as good as the Rodenbach. Still a nice example of the style.

06-29-2004 19:50:52 | More by Phyl21ca
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womencantsail

California

2.2/5  rDev -36.8%

On-tap at Sour Fest

A: The pour is a dark amber-red color with an off-white/khaki head.

S: Not a very good nose. Everything about it seems fake and artificial. It's also very sweet. Lots of prune juice, grape juice, overripe cherries, and raisins. I don't really even get any tartness.

T: Second verse, same as the first. The flavor is just horrendously sweet, to the point of cloying. Prunes, raisins, grape juice (Manischewitz, maybe?), cherries, and a healthy dose of sugar for good measure.

M: Mediumin body with a medium carbonation. It's nearing syrup territory.

O: This was dreadful stuff. No thanks.

06-30-2011 15:26:37 | More by womencantsail
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kjkinsey

Texas

3/5  rDev -13.8%

02-25-2012 01:57:01 | More by kjkinsey
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Texasfan549

Texas

3/5  rDev -13.8%

01-30-2012 05:40:56 | More by Texasfan549
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spycow

Illinois

3.5/5  rDev +0.6%

03-11-2013 04:57:39 | More by spycow
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Knapp85

Pennsylvania

3.63/5  rDev +4.3%

Has a deep amber colored pour with a cream colored head. Just a little bit of lacing. The smell is a little bit of sweet and sour mixed. The flavor is a little sour at first but fades away quickly into a sweet more drinkable liquid. The mouthfeel is pretty light and doesn't have a ton of carbonation. Overall it's not bad bit it's nothing great like a true Flanders Red. I could drink this again if I came across it one day.

05-17-2011 21:53:18 | More by Knapp85
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zeff80

Missouri

3.43/5  rDev -1.4%

A - Poured out a dark, dark burgundy color with a one-finger, tan head of foam. It left some sudsy lace on the glass.

S - It smelled of sour cherry and not much else.

T - It tasted of sour cherry with some sweet caramel and a good dose of malt.

M - It was crisp and smooth. Slightly soft on the mouthfeel. A light to medium bodied ale.

O - Not sour enough and too malty. I guess I see why it was retired.

07-31-2011 22:23:13 | More by zeff80
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JAHMUR

Connecticut

3.5/5  rDev +0.6%

06-25-2014 00:27:15 | More by JAHMUR
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RblWthACoz

Pennsylvania

3.63/5  rDev +4.3%

Pours a clear, but quite dark brown with ruby tones. Very small almost tan head. Flavor is nice. Smooth, yet candy sweet a bit. There is that definite Flanders ale taste. Slight wood with an almost cherry sweetness. It's not exactly the most complex or mature profile, but it works nicely and I dig it. Feel is a noticeable carbonation, but not abrasively full. Liquid is thick enough. This one is easy to drink and decent.

03-19-2009 02:44:30 | More by RblWthACoz
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Jason

Massachusetts

3.48/5  rDev 0%

11.2oz brown bottle with a bottling date printed on the neck of the bottle.

Dark mahogany, nearly black with a healthy looking froth on top. Ripe cherries, vanilla taffy, lemon zest and a hint of cake batter in the nose. Crisp and slick medium body. Sweet all around though the oak does pull on the palate, hints of ripe fruit; apples, cherries and lemonade. Confection / candy juiciness in the middle. Light hopping, faintly yeasty. Tartness struggles to come over the top but it does make it, still pretty mild though. Semi-sweet finish with more oaky flavors to meddle over.

A pretty good example of a Flanders Brown, one bottle is more than enough though.

04-18-2011 02:14:44 | More by Jason
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feloniousmonk

Minnesota

3.55/5  rDev +2%

Let's get into a "sour", shall we? Something brewed and bottled for Anthony Martin by Timmermans Brewery, Bourgogne de Flandres, Belgian Brown Ale, 1765, van Houtryve Brugge. Bruges' typical brown ale, matured 6 months in oak casks. ALC 5.2 %.

Dark, dusky, purplish coloration, small darkish head.

Vinous aromatics, very grape-y, berries and cherries with a hit of sour. Some sweet fruit, with a good dose of the other stuff.

Taste: berry-licious. sour-tastic. nice and medium, for the sour-heads among us. Is this the Duchesse Junior, the light sour? Sweetness, then some sour, …very tasty, but never over the top.

12-24-2011 07:02:33 | More by feloniousmonk
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Rifugium

Pennsylvania

2.8/5  rDev -19.5%

First had: bottle at Eulogy, Philly, PA

Offered to my lovely wife as an alternative to Kasteel Rouge, and I must say, it was no Kasteel Rouge. Reddish-brown pour with a light, receding head. Light fruity aroma. Taste was bitter and...mmm...sickeningly sour, I'm sorry to say. Sour in a thin way. Thin mouthfeel with a bit of a metallic aftertaste. Ok, but I probably would not get this beer again.

04-29-2011 03:44:49 | More by Rifugium
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XmnwildX12

Minnesota

4/5  rDev +14.9%

12-13-2013 04:47:25 | More by XmnwildX12
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BlackHaddock

United Kingdom (England)

3.78/5  rDev +8.6%

This 33cl bottle has been hanging around my shelves for some time and I thought it time to release it. I popped it into the fridge and here we are. So on a sunny evening in early June 2010 I poured the bottle into a 'forbidden fruit' badged chalice.

The beer poured a deep dark ruby red colour, an off-white almost tan coloured head sat on top for about 10 seconds before becoming a collar and wispy covering.

The smell was of semi-sour/semi-sweet old cherries without the pips and hints of something to come.

I am not a big fan of the Belgian sourpuss beers (check out some of my reviews, I've had plenty), so I was pleasantly pleased to find this wasn't one of those vinegarous brews. This hoovers just above sour and could almost be called sweet by some, I'll go for 'bordering on toothsome'.

The sweetness does appear to get sweeter as the beer warmed, which isn't good, but I enjoyed the beer from start to finish. Not your regular Flanders Red, but one of the best in my eyes.

06-05-2010 20:24:15 | More by BlackHaddock
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MarkyMOD

Colorado

4/5  rDev +14.9%

06-02-2013 19:48:25 | More by MarkyMOD
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wl0307

United Kingdom (England)

3.2/5  rDev -8%

BB 05/12/09, served lightly chilled in De Dolle Oerbier's long-stemmed goblet.

A: pours a very dark brown hue with ruby glows when seen against light, coming with constant streams of tiny fizz and a 1cm thick, light tan foamy head that lasts throughout the drink.
S: the aroma of this Oud Bruin is the most estery among the four I've tasted these two days, showing a strong influence of sour-sweet yeasts (like the Japanese lactose drink), strangely perfumy, plus a light touch of coriander even. Not that it's unpleasant, but the lactic sour tinge - supposedly a main feature of this type of ale - is subdued. Fortunately, a good swirl does bring out the more sour fruity hints on top of a bit more maltiness as well, featuring oily-rich sour black-prunes, raisins, sweet cherries, burned sugar...
T: carbonated black prune juice and a touch of sweet herbal tea come on top of a thin body of semi-neutrally favoured dark malts, with but a faint hint of lactic sourness and some metallic fruits; then the flavour turns quite neutral/clean, leaving an herbally-bitter edge of wood-ageing behind... Alas, it ends up slightly thin-bodied in the end, which doesn't do any favour to the already simplistic flavour profile.
M&D: the carbonation is not as smooth and natural as my other three bottles, but still light enough to render an approachable palate to go with the very light flavour profile. All in all, there's very little in the glass that I'd say has done this style any justice; for, it's quite mediocre overall and just fails to keep my interest.

04-09-2009 20:23:26 | More by wl0307
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rhoadsrage

Illinois

4/5  rDev +14.9%

(Served in a tulip glass)

A- This beer pours a dense walnut brown body with a little light glowing at the base of the glass. There is a sticky beige head that sticks to the glass in sheets but doesn't last.

S- The soft bright almost citrus orange tartness has some wet raw oak and rhubarb notes that grow as the beer opens.

T- The blend of cola and wet wood led to a mellow tartness and some brown sugar sweetness that starts to develop as it opens. There is a touch of cherries and citrus hints to a bright tartness in the finish. A well blended brown malt and dry toffee note has some paper oxidation notes and a faint aspirin quality to follow. There is a bitterness of grapefruit pith in the finish aswell.

M- The medium mouthfeel has a touch of fizz in the finish but it is gentle.

O- This beer is bright with some nice fruity depth to it and a soft tartness but it becomes a bit too sweet as it warms and the tartness is a bit too mellow to combat that.

01-18-2012 22:26:36 | More by rhoadsrage
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ejimhof

Pennsylvania

3/5  rDev -13.8%

06-01-2014 10:16:59 | More by ejimhof
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BARFLYB

Pennsylvania

3.58/5  rDev +2.9%

11.2OZ bottle into a Rodenbach Grand Cru tulip.

Timmerman's Flander's sports a ruddy red, burnt brown appearance and a nice inch of thickish foam ivory looking that leaves some sqiggles.

Smell is weird, a flanders for sure, apple cider, werther's, musk, oak, roasty malts.

Taste grew on me, it took some sips, not sour and not overly sweet. Not a roadie, vinegar, sweet cherry flavor, no oaky flavor, coca cola, im torn on this beer.

Feel is a nice medium build with a nice carb that's not too bitey. vinegar stays a bit and keeps this from gaining props. maybe a bit of age will do something. I drank it and it was not all that bad, give it a go.

03-18-2011 06:55:03 | More by BARFLYB
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biegaman

Ontario (Canada)

2.9/5  rDev -16.7%

A 330ml bottle with BB 2009, enjoyed in my hotel in Brussels on the eve of my first trip to Flanders.

Little flashes of brown disqualifies it from looking overly red wine like; the ale does, however, share an appearance with Coca-Cola. It glistens a cola shine and for short time possessed a cap of bubbles that simmered out over sounds of crackling.

The smell is actually more of a stench; it is odd and repellent. Hard copper, sour vinegar, and rotting seafood make a vile, almost sickening, concoction of smell. Your Flanders Red should go well with your seafood, but not smell like it.

The taste has notes of cherries, raisins, and plum - but all very faint. An almost repugnant flavour of eggplant kept popping up. I definitely would have liked less of the dry vegetable and more of the fresh fruit. Did they use ocean water? The malt and oak are hardly noticeable.

More and more, until almost entirely, I considered the beer like a watered down port. It tasted and drank like a cheap port that had been watered down. The mouthfeel was flat and syrupy, with no carbonation, no sourness, no acidity, no texture, and little indication of any oak.

I really hope this beer doesn't find itself into the hands of someone about to first try the Flanders Red style because it does it no justice and is repulsive enough to turn them right away from it. I bought and drank the bottle, which was fresh, in Belgium so unless it was a bad batch, Timmermans has some explaining to do.

It didn't have the tart, acidic fruity sourness nor the rustic, oak overtones that makes Flanders' Ales so charming and complex. It did have an odd seafood/vegetable taste with wet cardboard finish. It actually managed to leave me a little less excited for Brugge and Ghent.

07-13-2008 22:29:28 | More by biegaman
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afsdan

Colorado

3.5/5  rDev +0.6%

04-08-2014 22:43:57 | More by afsdan
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Bourgogne Des Flandres from Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.
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